Date   

Weather Plus 4.8 update available

Adriano Barbieri
 

Good morning and happy new Year to every one,

Changes in this version:
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
•Added new checkbox;
"Use only weather effects";
This allows you to filter out all other environmental effects.
•Improved random playback and added 71 new sound effects;
You will need to update them by clicking twice in "enable audio effects"
check box.
•The volume type assigned by the user, between the general and current audio
volume, now is maintained when the configuration is saved.
•Removed useless sound during selection text in edit box by pressing
control+a.
•Improved readability into help window invokable with F1 function key.
•Added new compatibility flag for NVDA 2019.1, and the current alpha
versions.
Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download manually
from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.8.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://www.nvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html
Make sure that the extension of the downloaded file is correct, otherwise
rename it in .nvda-addon.

Adriano Barbieri


Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

 

Not sure if this is the surprise, but you can now tell which add ons to never update in the add ons settings, which can be found under the NVDA settings.

hit here to see my latest writing update.


Re: an accessible way to stream games.

 

Write to me off list with emails and stuff. Or, write to our advocacy group below. We mostly plan action, not discuss accessibility tutorials or similar. There's other lists for that. We have a contacts database and everything. We're not as well connected as any of the blindness orgs are, but we try.

team@accessmedia.groups.io

To subscribe, use the below email.

team+subscribe@accessmedia.groups.io


Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

Ian Blackburn
 

Hopefully it doesn’t tell me happy New Year again tomorrow
And announces that each time you restart your screen reader
Regards Ian

On 1 Jan 2019, at 1:09 pm, Keao Wright <keaow@hawaii.rr.com> wrote:

I got the same thing, happy new year!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 7:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #AddonRelease

It wasn't the audio message? That was a surprise to me. I thought that was so cool! And Happy new Year to all of you! :)

Annette, who hopes she didn't give it away

On 12/31/2018 11:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
That's not the surprise. A keen user will know the surprise I'm
talking about.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 9:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of
version
19.01.1 #AddonRelease

Wow, did that come through the addon or was it part of email.

This is interesting though, obviously for seecurity you would have to
be carefull, but some sort of daily message or something on new things
or whatever well that was good.

Then again you said a surprise was coming and well yeah.

I have never had a happy new year from my screenreader, thats novel.



On 1/1/2019 4:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Joseph


A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.


We are already 17 hours into the new year.


I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,

Happy New Year (or New Year's Eve depending on where you are).

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019
to be
exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any
computer running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a
point release, it is a major release that resolves more compatibility
issues with Python 3 and simplifies certain portions of this add-on
source code. You will also find a surprise inside (shhh, you'll see it
after upgrading to that version).
Cheers,
Joseph

--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world,
who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.






Re: How to use imo with nvda?

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I've mot heard of this one. Is it like Skype?
I would suggest trying it firrst with the jaws demo version. I would suspect it might not work there either, in which case your beef will be with the makers of the software, as they may not actually include the information to allow screenreaders to work correctly. I see this a lot with software written for compiling on many different operating systems directly. They may look OK and work OK but they seldom use any windows routines for accessibility as they come.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Muklesur Rahman" <muklesju@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 4:35 PM
Subject: [nvda] How to use imo with nvda?


Hello, I installed imo to my laptop to connect with my friends as it is the most popular aps at present. But I can not use imo with nvda as nvda does not read all of it's contents. Even, I fail to receive any call. Is there any solution?


Re: NVDA elequence question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I think he was thinking of The IBM Via Voice talking web browser voice from the days of Windows 98..
I still have that but being Sapi 4, its of limited use nowadays and although it sounds very much like Eloquence its is not quite as good, I use the word good advisedly, as I don't like Eloquence very much myself.


If you like artificial voices rather than the real sounding ones, then I guess Espeak for UK English speakers is still very good and fast.
I have to nail my colours to the mast here as I wrote a few of the variants in NVDA back some years ago.
Quincy seems to be the most popular one for things like laptops. its not so resonant as the normal voice.
I am loathe to suggest the Speech player in Espeak add on, as it will probably not work well in the next version of nvda unless it gets tweaked but for now at least it has a passing resemblance to Eloquence without being actionable!

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris via Groups.Io" <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA elequence question


Nope, never has and probably never will


From: Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: 31 December 2018 14:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA elequence question

Wasn’t there a free version of it? I thought that there was?

On 31 Dec 2018, at 14:41, Chris via Groups.Io <chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:
You will have to pay for the code factory after the trial has finished
After the trial period it will work no more until a licence is purchased


From: Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: 31 December 2018 14:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA elequence question

Hi all,

I have installed the code factory eloquence voice on my GPD win 2. I have 2 days left of the trial of eloquence. At the end of it, do I have to buy the eloquence voices? Or do they revert to a free version of eloquence? I have eloquence on my other machine but I never paid for that as it shipped with my laptop when I purchased it. So am not sure about this.


Re: NVDA elequence question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well if you paid for it and its stopped working you can of course legitimately contact the vendor and they should sort you out. I think one of the problems we have encountered in the past was that after a certain version, Jaws stopped allowing outside software to use any speech synth they supplied with their software. This meant that in some peoples eyes, they had to buy the same voice twice. Thus somebody wrote a hack to allow the voices to be used in NVDA.
At that time I did speak to in those days Freedom Scientific and they told me that the stipulation that it could only be used with Jaws was a condition of allowing them to supply the voices, one assumes, it cost them less to licence them this way.


Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Harris via Groups.Io" <darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 5:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA elequence question


Well I certainly haven't gotten a hacked version of it. It's probably the sappy version which I assumed I could still get with the latest version of NVDA by that I mean a clean install.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 31 December 2018 15:51
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA elequence question

Not really, There were sound alikes around that worked as sapi 4, but they have issues, and there was a hacked version which was buggy which we cannot discuss here for legal reasons.


Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Darren Harris via Groups.Io"
<darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA elequence question


Wasn’t there a free version of it? I thought that there was?
On 31 Dec 2018, at 14:41, Chris via Groups.Io
<chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

You will have to pay for the code factory after the trial has finished
After the trial period it will work no more until a licence is purchased


From: Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: 31 December 2018 14:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA elequence question

Hi all,

I have installed the code factory eloquence voice on my GPD win 2. I have
2 days left of the trial of eloquence. At the end of it, do I have to buy
the eloquence voices? Or do they revert to a free version of eloquence? I
have eloquence on my other machine but I never paid for that as it shipped
with my laptop when I purchased it. So am not sure about this.




Re: NVDA elequence question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Yes but you might come unstuck if that vehicle was stolen!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Traxler" <howard@traxlerenterprises.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 5:15 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA elequence question


Agree, Gene; however, (and I won't waste any more space on this) I know
I can't commit slander or libel or promote crime. But if I were on an
automotive list of some kind, I could ask a technical question relating
to a vehicle in my garage that I didn't pay for.


That's all; I'm through.

On 12/31/2018 11:06 AM, Gene wrote:
If a list allows such discussions, it is opened to legal liability.
It is illegal to use such programs. Promoting their use is illegal
and lists that allow it may be shut down by the owner of whatever list
serve the list is on and, though very unlikely, the list could have
legal action taken against it by the owner of whatever intellectual
property is being used illegally.
And you can't discuss anything or say anything you want anywhere. You
can't commit slander or libel. You can't use speech to provoke violence.
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Howard Traxler <mailto:howard@traxlerenterprises.com>
*Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 10:42 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] NVDA elequence question

Please help my understanding:


Why can I not talk about something that is illegal to buy, sell, or
own? I can talk about anything else that I can think of; illegal or
not. Just so long as I don't obtain it or offer it for sale. I think
the sensors on many of these mailing lists are a bit too cautious. Is
my thinkingg wrong?


Howard

On 12/31/2018 9:50 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Not really, There were sound alikes around that worked as sapi 4, but
they have issues, and there was a hacked version which was buggy which
we cannot discuss here for legal reasons.


Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Harris via Groups.Io"
<darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io
<mailto:darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io>>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA elequence question


Wasn’t there a free version of it? I thought that there was?
On 31 Dec 2018, at 14:41, Chris via Groups.Io
<chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io
<mailto:chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io>> wrote:

You will have to pay for the code factory after the trial has finished
After the trial period it will work no more until a licence is
purchased


From: Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: 31 December 2018 14:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA elequence question

Hi all,

I have installed the code factory eloquence voice on my GPD win 2. I
have 2 days left of the trial of eloquence. At the end of it, do I
have to buy the eloquence voices? Or do they revert to a free version
of eloquence? I have eloquence on my other machine but I never paid
for that as it shipped with my laptop when I purchased it. So am not
sure about this.












Re: NVDA elequence question

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Also nvaccess cannot be seen in any way to condone illegal activity, its fine if you want to set up your own list and do it, but responsible organisations have to be seen to be working within the law. Who is going to donate or fund anyone who condones ripping off a company?
Anyway we have had this discussion here many times before and its getting rather like Grroundhog day.
Read the rules of groups.io and the moderators guidelines for this list before getting annoyed.
We do not make the world we all have to live within its rules.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA elequence question


If a list allows such discussions, it is opened to legal liability. It is illegal to use such programs. Promoting their use is illegal and lists that allow it may be shut down by the owner of whatever list serve the list is on and, though very unlikely, the list could have legal action taken against it by the owner of whatever intellectual property is being used illegally.

And you can't discuss anything or say anything you want anywhere. You can't commit slander or libel. You can't use speech to provoke violence.
----- Original Message -----

From: Howard Traxler
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA elequence question


Please help my understanding:


Why can I not talk about something that is illegal to buy, sell, or
own? I can talk about anything else that I can think of; illegal or
not. Just so long as I don't obtain it or offer it for sale. I think
the sensors on many of these mailing lists are a bit too cautious. Is
my thinkingg wrong?


Howard

On 12/31/2018 9:50 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Not really, There were sound alikes around that worked as sapi 4, but
they have issues, and there was a hacked version which was buggy which
we cannot discuss here for legal reasons.


Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Darren Harris via Groups.Io"
<darren_g_harris=btinternet.com@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA elequence question


Wasn’t there a free version of it? I thought that there was?
On 31 Dec 2018, at 14:41, Chris via Groups.Io
<chrismedley=btinternet.com@groups.io> wrote:

You will have to pay for the code factory after the trial has finished
After the trial period it will work no more until a licence is purchased


From: Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: 31 December 2018 14:22
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA elequence question

Hi all,

I have installed the code factory eloquence voice on my GPD win 2. I
have 2 days left of the trial of eloquence. At the end of it, do I
have to buy the eloquence voices? Or do they revert to a free version
of eloquence? I have eloquence on my other machine but I never paid
for that as it shipped with my laptop when I purchased it. So am not
sure about this.










Re: NVDA and Battleship and Memory games

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Don't have a clue where to get the particular ones you asked for, but I have had a battleship game posted on my softcon pages for more than 10 years, and haven't received a single feedback message about it.

I also have a memory game I wrote for use with the raspberry pi, that I can easily repurpose for windoes and post on the site as well, it's as simple as recompiling the source code under windows, since it doesn't use any linux specific features.  I'll get that done in the next day or two and post it up with the battleship game too.

You can find the battleship game at:

http://www.softcon.com/files/


Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

Keao Wright <keaow@...>
 

I got the same thing, happy new year!

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 7:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #AddonRelease

It wasn't the audio message? That was a surprise to me. I thought that was so cool! And Happy new Year to all of you! :)

Annette, who hopes she didn't give it away

On 12/31/2018 11:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
That's not the surprise. A keen user will know the surprise I'm
talking about.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun
Everiss
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 9:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of
version
19.01.1 #AddonRelease

Wow, did that come through the addon or was it part of email.

This is interesting though, obviously for seecurity you would have to
be carefull, but some sort of daily message or something on new things
or whatever well that was good.

Then again you said a surprise was coming and well yeah.

I have never had a happy new year from my screenreader, thats novel.



On 1/1/2019 4:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Joseph


A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.


We are already 17 hours into the new year.


I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,

Happy New Year (or New Year's Eve depending on where you are).

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019
to be
exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any
computer running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a
point release, it is a major release that resolves more compatibility
issues with Python 3 and simplifies certain portions of this add-on
source code. You will also find a surprise inside (shhh, you'll see it
after upgrading to that version).
Cheers,
Joseph

--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where
you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can
use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To
find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert
near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains
the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world,
who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.






Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

Annette Moore
 

It wasn't the audio message? That was a surprise to me. I thought that was so cool! And Happy new Year to all of you! :)

Annette, who hopes she didn't give it away

On 12/31/2018 11:04 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
That's not the surprise. A keen user will know the surprise I'm talking
about.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 9:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version
19.01.1 #AddonRelease

Wow, did that come through the addon or was it part of email.

This is interesting though, obviously for seecurity you would have to be
carefull, but some sort of daily message or something on new things or
whatever well that was good.

Then again you said a surprise was coming and well yeah.

I have never had a happy new year from my screenreader, thats novel.



On 1/1/2019 4:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Joseph


A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.


We are already 17 hours into the new year.


I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,

Happy New Year (or New Year's Eve depending on where you are).

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019 to be
exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any computer
running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a point release,
it is a major release that resolves more compatibility issues with Python 3
and simplifies certain portions of this add-on source code. You will also
find a surprise inside (shhh, you'll see it after upgrading to that
version).
Cheers,
Joseph

--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are
in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of
the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.





Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi,
That's not the surprise. A keen user will know the surprise I'm talking
about.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 9:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version
19.01.1 #AddonRelease

Wow, did that come through the addon or was it part of email.

This is interesting though, obviously for seecurity you would have to be
carefull, but some sort of daily message or something on new things or
whatever well that was good.

Then again you said a surprise was coming and well yeah.

I have never had a happy new year from my screenreader, thats novel.



On 1/1/2019 4:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Joseph


A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.


We are already 17 hours into the new year.


I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,

Happy New Year (or New Year's Eve depending on where you are).

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019 to be
exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any computer
running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a point release,
it is a major release that resolves more compatibility issues with Python 3
and simplifies certain portions of this add-on source code. You will also
find a surprise inside (shhh, you'll see it after upgrading to that
version).

Cheers,
Joseph

--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related
material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are
in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of
the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which
locations (or location) is near to you please visit
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa
People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please
visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The
certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals
from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert
exam.




Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

 

Wow, did that come through the addon or was it part of email.

This is interesting though, obviously for seecurity you would have to be carefull, but some sort of daily message or something on new things or whatever well that was good.

Then again you said a surprise was coming and well yeah.

I have never had a happy new year from my screenreader, thats novel.

On 1/1/2019 4:55 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:
Hi Joseph


A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.


We are already 17 hours into the new year.


I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi everyone,

Happy New Year (or New Year’s Eve depending on where you are).

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019 to be exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any computer running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a point release, it is a major release that resolves more compatibility issues with Python 3 and simplifies certain portions of this add-on source code. You will also find a surprise inside (shhh, you’ll see it after upgrading to that version).

Cheers,
Joseph

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Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi Joseph


A good message to start the year with same back at you like a boomerang.


We are already 17 hours into the new year.


I will not copy and paste the message they will see when they update it.


Gene nz


On 31/12/2018 4:01 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Happy New Year (or New Year’s Eve depending on where you are).

 

Sometime in 2019 (few seconds after midnight UTC on January 1, 2019 to be exact), Add-on Updater 19.01.1 will make its appearance on any computer running NVDA with this add-on installed. Although this is a point release, it is a major release that resolves more compatibility issues with Python 3 and simplifies certain portions of this add-on source code. You will also find a surprise inside (shhh, you’ll see it after upgrading to that version).

 

Cheers,

Joseph

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which locations (or location) is near to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


Re: NVDA elequence question

Kevin <kleeva5@...>
 

It expires and becomes unusable, however code factory is still in your NVDA prefs you must delete it manually.

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Darren Harris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 6:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA elequence question

 

Hi all,

 

I have installed the code factory eloquence voice on my GPD win 2. I have 2 days left of the trial of eloquence. At the end of it, do I have to buy the eloquence voices? Or do they revert to a free version of eloquence? I have eloquence on my other machine but I never paid for that as it shipped with my laptop when I purchased it. So am not sure about this.

 

 

 


Re: Browse mode and focus

 

Sure, so I'm going to try Super Browser to see what it's like. Taking the risk, of course, but it's all about experiments :)
Thanks for the answer.


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Em 31/12/2018 22:32, Tony Malykh escreveu:

This is not an andd-on, this is rather a pull request - a patch for
NVDA. It does very similar things but in a much cleaner way.
SuperBrowser add-on was experimental, since it broke many things. Pull
request I prepared cannot be installed - rather NVDA devs should
hopefully merge it into the next release of NVDA, but it speeds up
browsing experience without breaking anything (hopefully - it doesn't
break anything for me, but more testing might reveal more problems).

On 12/31/18, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:
Hello Tony,
Could you please tell me the differences between this add-on and the old
called Super Browser?
I downloaded the latter I said but have never tested it.

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Em 31/12/2018 22:14, Tony Malykh escreveu:
I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope
NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and off
by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on that
overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't
follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much smoother
on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without your
permission either.

--Tony


On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons?
This seems very useful.

Take care

On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:

Tony,

I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to
improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very
grateful that you took the time to write and release this.

Thank you for your service.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
Source and description:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqzO05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&amp;reserved=0
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea
how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience  might
become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...> wrote:


Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA?  I never have
browse
mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off.  I have
repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default.
It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and
understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it
automatically
switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when
you
move in other ways.  People learning how to use the internet should
not have
this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io
<anton.malykh@...><mailto:anton.malykh@...>
wrote:


Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G.
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
wrote:


Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>:



Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene
<gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...>:



I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed.  Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad?  In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move.  But you seem to be discussing
this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page.  If so, why are you assuming they are related?  Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
  Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G."
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus




Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21@...><mailto:marcinhorj21@...>:



Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix

































































Re: Browse mode and focus

 

Hi,
There is one potential issue that may show up once a research project from a developer in Europe comes to NVDA. See my comment on that pull request for details. Thanks.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Tony Malykh
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

This is not an andd-on, this is rather a pull request - a patch for NVDA. It does very similar things but in a much cleaner way.
SuperBrowser add-on was experimental, since it broke many things. Pull request I prepared cannot be installed - rather NVDA devs should hopefully merge it into the next release of NVDA, but it speeds up browsing experience without breaking anything (hopefully - it doesn't break anything for me, but more testing might reveal more problems).

On 12/31/18, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Tony,
Could you please tell me the differences between this add-on and the
old called Super Browser?
I downloaded the latter I said but have never tested it.

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-- Em 31/12/2018 22:14, Tony Malykh escreveu:
I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope
NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and
off by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on
that overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't
follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much
smoother on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without
your permission either.

--Tony


On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons?
This seems very useful.

Take care

On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:

Tony,

I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to
improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very
grateful that you took the time to write and release this.

Thank you for your service.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fg
ithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.
1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617
091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C
0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B
2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
Source and description:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fg
ithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C31
54617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7
C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqz
O05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&amp;reserved=0
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an
idea how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience
might become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:


Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA? I never
have browse mode turn off when I have the automatic switching
feature off. I have repeatedly said that automatic switching
should not be on by default.
It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it
and understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it
automatically switches modes when you move in some ways and it
doesn't switch when you move in other ways. People learning how to
use the internet should not have this feature confusing them and
making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is
a very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that
contains an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once
this happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the
end of the page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way
to go past that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I
know, this is probably not a very screenreader-friendly website,
but Jaws manages to work fine with it somehow. I would say that
this problem is one of the major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io
<anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:anton.malykh=gmail.com@gr
oups.io>
wrote:


Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit
boxes automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor
moves system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term.
We already have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to
NVDA+6 - so it seems to be just a question of adding another switch
like this. I have to say that most of the web sites work fine for
me with current NVDA behavior, and for those websites that don't
work very well, this new switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not
update system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update
it when they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G.
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com><mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
wrote:


Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fg
ithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3
154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%
7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v
1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:



Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse
mode cursor through a page without triggering events in the
browser. It would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve
changing a position in an internal textual representation fully
managed by NVDA in its own process space. When hitting enter or the
space bar to interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore
not slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept
defined as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input.
It's hard to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as
it's a very technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene
<gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>:



I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are
you talking about being able to move through a web page and have
browse mode just show you the page, as though you had copied it
into something like Notepad? In that case, you would move, but
nothing would ever be triggered on the page as you move. But you
seem to be discussing this related to a feature that allows a
person to see where the blind person is on the page. If so, why
are you assuming they are related? Isn't there already a setting
to turn off this feature, used by sighted instructors or others
working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

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Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk<mailto:briang1@blueyonder.co.uk>, putting
'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G."
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com><mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus




Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io><mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:



Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix

























































Re: Browse mode and focus

Tony Malykh
 

This is not an andd-on, this is rather a pull request - a patch for
NVDA. It does very similar things but in a much cleaner way.
SuperBrowser add-on was experimental, since it broke many things. Pull
request I prepared cannot be installed - rather NVDA devs should
hopefully merge it into the next release of NVDA, but it speeds up
browsing experience without breaking anything (hopefully - it doesn't
break anything for me, but more testing might reveal more problems).

On 12/31/18, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Tony,
Could you please tell me the differences between this add-on and the old
called Super Browser?
I downloaded the latter I said but have never tested it.

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Em 31/12/2018 22:14, Tony Malykh escreveu:
I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope
NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and off
by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on that
overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't
follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much smoother
on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without your
permission either.

--Tony


On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons?
This seems very useful.

Take care

On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:

Tony,

I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to
improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very
grateful that you took the time to write and release this.

Thank you for your service.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
Source and description:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqzO05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&amp;reserved=0
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea
how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience might
become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:


Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA? I never have
browse
mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off. I have
repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default.
It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and
understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it
automatically
switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when
you
move in other ways. People learning how to use the internet should
not have
this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io
<anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io>
wrote:


Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G.
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com><mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
wrote:


Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:



Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene
<gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>:



I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing
this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G."
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com><mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus




Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io><mailto:marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:



Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
________________________________
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email
Add me on Skype
Follow me on Twitter
Follow or add me on Facebook
Ask me something on CuriousCat
________________________________
Phone(s):
(+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
________________________________
My WhatsApp
________________________________
Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix

























































Re: Browse mode and focus

 

Hello Tony,
Could you please tell me the differences between this add-on and the old called Super Browser?
I downloaded the latter I said but have never tested it.
Em 31/12/2018 22:14, Tony Malykh escreveu:

I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope
NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and off
by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on that
overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't
follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much smoother
on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without your
permission either.

--Tony


On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@...> wrote:
If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons?
This seems very useful.

Take care

On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:

Tony,

I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to
improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very
grateful that you took the time to write and release this.

Thank you for your service.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
Source and description:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqzO05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&amp;reserved=0
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea
how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience  might
become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...> wrote:


Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA?  I never have
browse
mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off.  I have
repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default.
It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and
understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it
automatically
switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when
you
move in other ways.  People learning how to use the internet should
not have
this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io
<anton.malykh@...><mailto:anton.malykh@...>
wrote:


Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G.
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
wrote:


Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>:



Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene
<gsasner@...><mailto:gsasner@...>:



I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed.  Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad?  In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move.  But you seem to be discussing
this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page.  If so, why are you assuming they are related?  Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 5:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G."
<constantlyvariable@...><mailto:constantlyvariable@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io><mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus




Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 09:45 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21@...><mailto:marcinhorj21@...>:



Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

________________________________
Cheers,
Marcio
________________________________
Where to find me:
My Yahoo! email
Add me on Skype
Follow me on Twitter
Follow or add me on Facebook
Ask me something on CuriousCat
________________________________
Phone(s):
(+55)21-9-81615268 (Tim-RJ)
________________________________
My WhatsApp
________________________________
Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix