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Re: a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

 

Hi,

Unfortunately, it didn’t come here. Could you mind writing to me directly and attaching the log file in the process? Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Sallander
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

 

Hello Joseph:

Here is a copy of the requested log file.

Hope this helps.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

 

Hello,

That’s new to me. Can you pass the following message to your client:

Hi,

I’m Joseph, one of the volunteer developers of NVDA. I heard that you’re seeing an odd command line window when NVDA starts.

May I get a debug log from your computer please? To do so, press NVDA+Q, then from Exit NVDA dialog, select the last option (restart with debug logging enabled). Then once NVDA restarts, please move system focus to the command line window and press NVDA+F1 to present the log viewer. Then copy everything from log viewer window and paste it as a private email to me so I can diagnose this.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Sallander
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

 

Greetings everyone and happy 2019.

I’ve recently installed NVDA 2018.4 on a Windows 7 laptop for a client.

It seems when I launch NVDA after this update, it seems to bring up the command prompt for Windows 7 as well.

I’ve changed the shortcut to a different key combination thinking that might fix the problem but no good.

Has anyone else had this same issue and if so what was the trick?

 

Bill Sallander

Assistive Technology Instructor

Center For The visually Impaired

1187 Dunn Avenue

Daytona Beach, Florida 32114

bsallander@...

(386)253-8879 Ext. 109

 


Re: a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

Bill Sallander
 

Hello Joseph:

Here is a copy of the requested log file.

Hope this helps.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

 

Hello,

That’s new to me. Can you pass the following message to your client:

Hi,

I’m Joseph, one of the volunteer developers of NVDA. I heard that you’re seeing an odd command line window when NVDA starts.

May I get a debug log from your computer please? To do so, press NVDA+Q, then from Exit NVDA dialog, select the last option (restart with debug logging enabled). Then once NVDA restarts, please move system focus to the command line window and press NVDA+F1 to present the log viewer. Then copy everything from log viewer window and paste it as a private email to me so I can diagnose this.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Sallander
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

 

Greetings everyone and happy 2019.

I’ve recently installed NVDA 2018.4 on a Windows 7 laptop for a client.

It seems when I launch NVDA after this update, it seems to bring up the command prompt for Windows 7 as well.

I’ve changed the shortcut to a different key combination thinking that might fix the problem but no good.

Has anyone else had this same issue and if so what was the trick?

 

Bill Sallander

Assistive Technology Instructor

Center For The visually Impaired

1187 Dunn Avenue

Daytona Beach, Florida 32114

bsallander@...

(386)253-8879 Ext. 109

 


Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

Roger Stewart
 

Thanks! So far, so good.  When I restarted after waiting one minute, I got no message at all. Now if it isn't there after a reboot, then all is good.

Roger











On 1/2/2019 5:45 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

One possible way to silence his new year message is:

  1. Quit NVDA (NVDA+Q, and if exit dialog shows up, select “quit”).
  2. Wait up to a minute, then start NVDA.

 

The other way is deleting a wave file:

  1. Go to Start and type “explore NVDA user configuration directory” and press Enter.
  2. Go to “addons” folder, then go to “addonUpdater” folder.
  3. Look for a file that starts with “joslee” and delete it.
  4. Close the folder and restart NVDA.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 3:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #AddonRelease

 

Ever since I updated the add-on, Joseph Lee's Happy New Year message pops up whenever I start NVDA. How do I keep that from happening?
--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...



Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

Now that New Year celebrations are over, I’ll take care of this once and for all in the upcoming patch (in a few moments). Sorry for the inconvenience.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #AddonRelease

 

I'm having the same problem here.  This is the third morning I've seen that message and there is no button that says don't show this dialog again or anything. I just hit the escape key right away and it is gone until the next reboot.

 

Roger

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 1/2/2019 10:03 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No issue here. I just saw it once, and that's it. Did you restart the computer or nvda to make sure it actually does appear?

Take care

On 2 Jan 2019, at 15:42, Abbie Taylor wrote:

Ever since I updated the add-on, Joseph Lee's Happy New Year message pops up whenever I start NVDA. How do I keep that from happening?
--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...

 


Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

Roger Stewart
 

I'm having the same problem here.  This is the third morning I've seen that message and there is no button that says don't show this dialog again or anything. I just hit the escape key right away and it is gone until the next reboot.

Roger










On 1/2/2019 10:03 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

No issue here. I just saw it once, and that's it. Did you restart the computer or nvda to make sure it actually does appear?

Take care

On 2 Jan 2019, at 15:42, Abbie Taylor wrote:

Ever since I updated the add-on, Joseph Lee's Happy New Year message pops up whenever I start NVDA. How do I keep that from happening?
--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...



Re: a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

Bill Sallander
 

Hello Joseph:

Thanks for getting back to me.

I have the laptop here at my office and when I get the chance, I’ll send that off to you.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 10:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

 

Hello,

That’s new to me. Can you pass the following message to your client:

Hi,

I’m Joseph, one of the volunteer developers of NVDA. I heard that you’re seeing an odd command line window when NVDA starts.

May I get a debug log from your computer please? To do so, press NVDA+Q, then from Exit NVDA dialog, select the last option (restart with debug logging enabled). Then once NVDA restarts, please move system focus to the command line window and press NVDA+F1 to present the log viewer. Then copy everything from log viewer window and paste it as a private email to me so I can diagnose this.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Sallander
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

 

Greetings everyone and happy 2019.

I’ve recently installed NVDA 2018.4 on a Windows 7 laptop for a client.

It seems when I launch NVDA after this update, it seems to bring up the command prompt for Windows 7 as well.

I’ve changed the shortcut to a different key combination thinking that might fix the problem but no good.

Has anyone else had this same issue and if so what was the trick?

 

Bill Sallander

Assistive Technology Instructor

Center For The visually Impaired

1187 Dunn Avenue

Daytona Beach, Florida 32114

bsallander@...

(386)253-8879 Ext. 109

 


Re: a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

Bill Sallander
 

Its being launched in the following manners.
1: I have it automatically start at the logon screen. After it boots to the
desktop is when the command prompt will show.
When I type the word "exit", the command prompt will disappear and I'm left
with the desktop.
I have also launched NVDA using the created shortcut. I would still get the
same results.
I've even gone ahead and changed the hotkey combination but the same thing
still accurse.
There was a previous version on the machine, but it was not working at all.
Therefore, I was not able to get the actual version.
I finally downloaded a fresh copy of the program and installed it.
I also noticed that there was a folder from the older installation, I
deleted that and started everything fresh. There still might be an old file
from older version floating somewhere that might be the cause of this issue.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 10:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

1. How are you launching NVDA (and getting the command prompt at the same
time)?

2. What do you mean by "update"? Was a previous version of NVDA installed
on this machine? If so, which version was it and how did you do the update?


Antony.

On Thursday 03 January 2019 at 16:25:31, Bill Sallander wrote:

Greetings everyone and happy 2019.

I’ve recently installed NVDA 2018.4 on a Windows 7 laptop for a client.

It seems when I launch NVDA after this update, it seems to bring up the
command prompt for Windows 7 as well.

I’ve changed the shortcut to a different key combination thinking that
might fix the problem but no good.

Has anyone else had this same issue and if so what was the trick?



Bill Sallander
--
Numerous psychological studies over the years have demonstrated that the
majority of people genuinely believe they are not like the majority of
people.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC
me.


Re: a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

 

Hello,

That’s new to me. Can you pass the following message to your client:

Hi,

I’m Joseph, one of the volunteer developers of NVDA. I heard that you’re seeing an odd command line window when NVDA starts.

May I get a debug log from your computer please? To do so, press NVDA+Q, then from Exit NVDA dialog, select the last option (restart with debug logging enabled). Then once NVDA restarts, please move system focus to the command line window and press NVDA+F1 to present the log viewer. Then copy everything from log viewer window and paste it as a private email to me so I can diagnose this.

Thanks.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bill Sallander
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

 

Greetings everyone and happy 2019.

I’ve recently installed NVDA 2018.4 on a Windows 7 laptop for a client.

It seems when I launch NVDA after this update, it seems to bring up the command prompt for Windows 7 as well.

I’ve changed the shortcut to a different key combination thinking that might fix the problem but no good.

Has anyone else had this same issue and if so what was the trick?

 

Bill Sallander

Assistive Technology Instructor

Center For The visually Impaired

1187 Dunn Avenue

Daytona Beach, Florida 32114

bsallander@...

(386)253-8879 Ext. 109

 


Re: a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

Antony Stone
 

1. How are you launching NVDA (and getting the command prompt at the same
time)?

2. What do you mean by "update"? Was a previous version of NVDA installed on
this machine? If so, which version was it and how did you do the update?


Antony.

On Thursday 03 January 2019 at 16:25:31, Bill Sallander wrote:

Greetings everyone and happy 2019.

I’ve recently installed NVDA 2018.4 on a Windows 7 laptop for a client.

It seems when I launch NVDA after this update, it seems to bring up the
command prompt for Windows 7 as well.

I’ve changed the shortcut to a different key combination thinking that
might fix the problem but no good.

Has anyone else had this same issue and if so what was the trick?



Bill Sallander
--
Numerous psychological studies over the years have demonstrated that the
majority of people genuinely believe they are not like the majority of people.

Please reply to the list;
please *don't* CC me.


a situation with NVDA 2018.4 and windows 7

Bill Sallander
 

Greetings everyone and happy 2019.

I’ve recently installed NVDA 2018.4 on a Windows 7 laptop for a client.

It seems when I launch NVDA after this update, it seems to bring up the command prompt for Windows 7 as well.

I’ve changed the shortcut to a different key combination thinking that might fix the problem but no good.

Has anyone else had this same issue and if so what was the trick?

 

Bill Sallander

Assistive Technology Instructor

Center For The visually Impaired

1187 Dunn Avenue

Daytona Beach, Florida 32114

bsallander@...

(386)253-8879 Ext. 109

 


Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

 

A bit late on this but anyway...
After thinking about this matter I ended up setting up the signature option to just appear on my emails if they aren't answers to others.
That is, every email I send and it's not an answer, yes my signature will keep appearing. However, when answering another email, it won't.
Sorry for don't do it before.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 02/01/2019 13:54, Antony Stone escreveu:

I would certainly recommend making the signature much shorter - sixteen lines
is in my opinion rather excessive.

The same applies to some other people posting on this list - please consider
whether the information in your signature:

a) needs to be sent to the list with every message at all

b) could be abbreviated to occupy fewer lines of text

c) could be completely replaced with a URL to a web page where the information
is available for people who are interested.

Also, please remember that "-- " (dash dash space) on one line by itself is
the standard separator for putting at the start of email signatures, and which
many mail clients will recognise and then avoid duplicating that line and the
text beneath it when replying to a message.

This can help greatly to keep the length of replies shorter.

Regards, and happy new year,

Antony.

On Wednesday 02 January 2019 at 05:50:29, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

I thought my signature could be a problem when it comes to my answers on
the lists, but didn't find a way to avoid it.
You think I should turn it off? There's a way to prevent it only in the
emails to the lists?
Any help would be much appreciated.


Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi,
Just for curiosity, how can I enable this command?
That is, whenever I try to use this one at the run dialog it shows me a message that Windows couldn't found it.
So what should I do to make this work?
Em 02/01/2019 21:45, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

One possible way to silence his new year message is:

  1. Quit NVDA (NVDA+Q, and if exit dialog shows up, select “quit”).
  2. Wait up to a minute, then start NVDA.

 

The other way is deleting a wave file:

  1. Go to Start and type “explore NVDA user configuration directory” and press Enter.
  2. Go to “addons” folder, then go to “addonUpdater” folder.
  3. Look for a file that starts with “joslee” and delete it.
  4. Close the folder and restart NVDA.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 3:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #AddonRelease

 

Ever since I updated the add-on, Joseph Lee's Happy New Year message pops up whenever I start NVDA. How do I keep that from happening?
--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...



Re: Browse mode and focus

Felix G.
 

Hi!
I'm excited and enthusiastic about this. What accessibility needs are
interfaces that don't just work in principle but are delightful to
use; or to put it bluntly, a user experience that does not suck,
driven by people who do not think being dissatisfied means being
ungrateful.
@Tony do you have the resources to make a try build? Otherwise I'll do
it in just a few days when i'm back where my tech stuff is.
@Joseph that research project sounds interesting. Can you give a pointer please?
Best,
Felix


Am Di., 1. Jan. 2019 um 01:35 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:


Sure, so I'm going to try Super Browser to see what it's like. Taking the risk, of course, but it's all about experiments :)
Thanks for the answer.

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Em 31/12/2018 22:32, Tony Malykh escreveu:

This is not an andd-on, this is rather a pull request - a patch for
NVDA. It does very similar things but in a much cleaner way.
SuperBrowser add-on was experimental, since it broke many things. Pull
request I prepared cannot be installed - rather NVDA devs should
hopefully merge it into the next release of NVDA, but it speeds up
browsing experience without breaking anything (hopefully - it doesn't
break anything for me, but more testing might reveal more problems).

On 12/31/18, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:

Hello Tony,
Could you please tell me the differences between this add-on and the old
called Super Browser?
I downloaded the latter I said but have never tested it.

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Em 31/12/2018 22:14, Tony Malykh escreveu:

I have created a pull request that speeds up browse mode. Now I hope
NVDA devs will be kind enough to accept it:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Basically it creates a new mode in NVDA that can be toggled on and off
by pressing NVDA+8 (remember to uninstall my SuperBrowser add-on that
overrides the same keystroke). In this mode system focus doesn't
follow browse mode and the entire browsing experience is much smoother
on my computer. Edit boxes don't steal your focus without your
permission either.

--Tony


On 12/29/18, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:

If they approve, can you put this on the central repo for the add ons?
This seems very useful.

Take care

On 28 Dec 2018, at 21:57, David Goldfield wrote:

Tony,

I meant to thank you for this addon. As you say it does seem to
improve responsiveness while accessing the Web and so I'm very
grateful that you took the time to write and release this.

Thank you for your service.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist
WWW.David-Goldfield.Com<http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 12/25/2018 2:47 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:

I just wrote a tiny add-on that prevents NVDA from sending focus
events to the browser.
Binary:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2Freleases%2Fdownload%2Fv0.1dev%2Fsuperbrowser-0.1dev.nvda-addon&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=eTebXXud1KO6xO2fZbS5GsH%2BOfft7%2B2s94W7ItAVCQQ%3D&amp;reserved=0
Source and description:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fmltony%2Fnvda-super-browser%2F&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=mrmdXsR7tcB76B%2BRMmiDNu3wIqzO05CGCc7X3jNQfas%3D&amp;reserved=0
Press NVDA+8 to turn focus sending to browsers on and off.
It's not a production-ready add-on, as it introduces a lot of side
effects when not sending focus events. However, it'll give you an idea
how much faster and more responsive your browsing experience might
become without these focus events being sent back and forth.


On 12/21/18, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:


Are you sure you have automatic switching off in NVDA? I never have
browse
mode turn off when I have the automatic switching feature off. I have
repeatedly said that automatic switching should not be on by default.
It is
not a setting that people should have on unless they know about it and
understand exactly how it works.

And to confuse unknowledgeable and learning users more, it
automatically
switches modes when you move in some ways and it doesn't switch when
you
move in other ways. People learning how to use the internet should
not have
this feature confusing them and making it harder to learn.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Tony Malykh
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 1:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus


I must also add that edit boxes sporadically entering forms mode is a
very big problem for me. At work I have to use a website that contains
an edit box that somehow always enters forms mode and once this
happens, the web site opens a popup dialog somewhere in the end of the
page and brings the focus there. So there is no easy way to go past
that edit box and the entire website becomes unusable. I know, this is
probably not a very screenreader-friendly website, but Jaws manages to
work fine with it somehow. I would say that this problem is one of the
major disadvantages of NVDA compared to Jaws.

On 12/21/18, Tony Malykh via Groups.Io
<anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:anton.malykh=gmail.com@groups.io>
wrote:


Hi Felix,
I experience all the same problems as you described: rubber band
browse mode cursor jumping back on large webpages, and also edit boxes
automatically entering forms mode even though I didn't ask them to.
It's good to know that this is a known issue, but this indeed seems
like a complicated issue to fix.
1. It seems to me that adding a switch like "browse mode cursor moves
system focus" would be a very useful fix in the short term. We already
have a "caret moves review cursor" switch bound to NVDA+6 - so it
seems to be just a question of adding another switch like this. I have
to say that most of the web sites work fine for me with current NVDA
behavior, and for those websites that don't work very well, this new
switch might come very handy.
2. Do you know how Jaws works around this problem? Do they not update
system focus at all when in browse mode? Or they only update it when
they realise that some other gesture might require updated focus?

Best
Tony


On 12/21/18, Felix G.
<constantlyvariable@gmail.com><mailto:constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
wrote:


Just found a ticket on this problem:
https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fnvaccess%2Fnvda%2Fissues%2F2039&;data=02%7C01%7C%7C3154617091b9454bcc3608d66aa1c72b%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636813640388529360&amp;sdata=%2BjIsiaGma9V0Ym0juy2COLOD1v1Dq9HThNIY3tzkOpE%3D&amp;reserved=0
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:51 Uhr schrieb Felix G. via Groups.Io
<constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io><mailto:constantlyvariable=gmail.com@groups.io>:



Hello Gene,
exactly, that's what I am referring to: A way to move the browse mode
cursor through a page without triggering events in the browser. It
would feel lightning-fast, as it would only involve changing a
position in an internal textual representation fully managed by NVDA
in its own process space. When hitting enter or the space bar to
interact with something, focus could then be brought to that object.
The analogy in the sighted world is that of a touch screen: Just
looking at the contents does not generate events, and is therefore not
slowed down by anything the browser needs to handle.
I am calling those events focus changes because technically that's
what they are. Focus, in this context, is the Windows concept defined
as a control's responsibility for handling keyboard input. It's hard
to describe without leaving a lot of dangling terms as it's a very
technical notion in Windows programming.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 21. Dez. 2018 um 15:29 Uhr schrieb Gene
<gsasner@gmail.com><mailto:gsasner@gmail.com>:



I may Have misunderstood what you want to do and I may not have the
technical knowledge to fully understand what you want changed. Are
you
talking about being able to move through a web page and have browse
mode
just show you the page, as though you had copied it into something
like
Notepad? In that case, you would move, but nothing would ever be
triggered on the page as you move. But you seem to be discussing
this
related to a feature that allows a person to see where the blind
person
is on the page. If so, why are you assuming they are related? Isn't
there already a setting to turn off this feature, used by sighted
instructors or others working with a blind person?

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 8:14 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

I suspect that the JAWS cursor may see the web page text when NVDA
review doesn't.

Gene
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus

Probably not, but if you can explain a little more clearly when you
need
to
have it as you describe then we might be a bit wiser. Remember not
everyone
has Jaws or uses all if its features, so we may learn something here.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, December 21, 2018 9:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Browse mode and focus




Hello Marcio,
I could only find checkboxes dealing with the conditions for
automatically switching to focus mode, but nothing related to focus
changes. Those are completely different concepts. Are you sure we
are
on the same page?
Best,
Felix

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Hello,
You can configure it through the Settings, which can be found at
the
NVDA
Menu (NVDA+N).
Search for browse mode, then uncheck the boxes on automatic change
or
something like that. I don't know how it should appear because I'm
not
using NVDA in English, but I hope it can help you somehow.

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Em 21/12/2018 05:53, Felix G. escreveu:

Hello list,
I'd like to ask how to keep focus from following the browse mode
cursor. While this behavior may often be desirable, there are many
instances in which it unnecessarily slows down the browsing
experience
as NVDA needs to constantly keep track of focus events, deciding
whether or not they are related to browse mode cursor movements.
With
unfortunate timing, NVDA sometimes fails to associate a browse
mode
cursor action with its corresponding focus event and bounces back
a
few lines or switches to forms mode because it thinks focus has
changed asynchronously on behalf of the website rather than the
user.
The sighted world analogy of moving the browse mode cursor is
simply
reading, which should not be associated with so many events in the
browser.
If anyone would like to try out how the other behavior, as also
seen
in JAWS, would feel in terms of speed: Go to a complex website and
then navigate in browse mode, but not using the standard arrow
keys
but instead the review cursor (numpad 7 and numpad 9).
All the best,
Felix

































































Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

Sarah k Alawami
 

No issue here. I just saw it once, and that's it. Did you restart the computer or nvda to make sure it actually does appear?

Take care

On 2 Jan 2019, at 15:42, Abbie Taylor wrote:

Ever since I updated the add-on, Joseph Lee's Happy New Year message pops up whenever I start NVDA. How do I keep that from happening?
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Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

 

I have only had it do it once.

On that note, where is the surprize in the message I have read the entire thing, I think someone needs to spill the beans on what the surprise actually is.

After I read the message I hit the close button and its gone.

One thing though, every time I install updates to addons, when nvda closes there is always a ghost systray icon left, this suggests things don't fully exit right.

Its not a big issue but it does make me wander if something is not unloading right.

On 1/3/2019 12:42 PM, Abbie Taylor wrote:
Ever since I updated the add-on, Joseph Lee's Happy New Year message pops up whenever I start NVDA. How do I keep that from happening?
--
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http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
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abbietaylor945@gmail.com



Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

 

Hi,

One possible way to silence his new year message is:

  1. Quit NVDA (NVDA+Q, and if exit dialog shows up, select “quit”).
  2. Wait up to a minute, then start NVDA.

 

The other way is deleting a wave file:

  1. Go to Start and type “explore NVDA user configuration directory” and press Enter.
  2. Go to “addons” folder, then go to “addonUpdater” folder.
  3. Look for a file that starts with “joslee” and delete it.
  4. Close the folder and restart NVDA.

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Abbie Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2019 3:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #AddonRelease

 

Ever since I updated the add-on, Joseph Lee's Happy New Year message pops up whenever I start NVDA. How do I keep that from happening?
--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...


Re: Add-on Updater: counting down to release of version 19.01.1 #addonrelease

Abbie Taylor <abbietaylor945@...>
 

Ever since I updated the add-on, Joseph Lee's Happy New Year message pops up whenever I start NVDA. How do I keep that from happening?
--
Abbie Johnson Taylor, Author
http://www.abbiejohnsontaylor.com
http://abbiescorner.wordpress.com
abbietaylor945@...


Re: Braille Extender: Output tables

John J. Boyer
 

In my setup the tableds you want are there by default when BrailleExtender is installed. I am using a Focus 40, and
have to press two of the thumb keys. That may make a difference.

John

On Wed, Jan 02, 2019 at 03:50:18PM -0600, Rob Hudson wrote:
BrailleExtender version: Version 18.12.14-141407
NVDA 2018.4
Windows 10, 1809
I want to select
English, (U.S.) Grade2
as primary table and
English (U.S.) 6-dot computer braille
as secondary. This way I can press a hotkey in order to read NLS or bookshare brf books.
I navigate to the table in the first combo box by down arrow, and press spacebar until it says
Output only
I then tab to the secondary table combo box and select the one I want there, see above.
I press enter, thinking my configuration is saved.
I press the hotkey to switch tables, and get the message:
You must choose at least two tables for this feature. Please fill in the settings
I navigate back to the braille tables dialog and see primary table is
Arabic grade 1: none
Why are my settings not being saved?


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Re: windows power shell

John Isige
 

Make sure you have "report dynamic content changes on", you can toggle it with NVDA-5 on the number row. If that's off, it won't read anything.

On 1/2/2019 16:45, Robert Doc Wright godfearer wrote:
I tried to go into this to search for zune music which is suppose to have something to do with groove music. Once I opened it I could do nothing else. NVDA seem to just freeze up.


windows power shell

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I tried to go into this to search for zune music which is suppose to have something to do with groove music. Once I opened it I could do nothing else. NVDA seem to just freeze up.