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Re: nvda saying "deleted" when reading some text on webpages

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

https://www.hepsiburada.com/fablehaven-brandon-mull-pm-kpegasus89492

the first heading, the original price above the discounted one says deleted.

On 1/5/2019 9:06 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Give us the URL for an example of a page where this occurs?

Antony.

On Saturday 05 January 2019 at 06:39:24, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi all,

Does anyone know why this happens? When I read word by word, I can find
words where this atribute is anounced.


Re: nvda saying "deleted" when reading some text on webpages

Antony Stone
 

Give us the URL for an example of a page where this occurs?

Antony.

On Saturday 05 January 2019 at 06:39:24, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi all,

Does anyone know why this happens? When I read word by word, I can find
words where this atribute is anounced.
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Re: nvda doesn't announce the start menu after pressing the windows key

Felix G.
 

Hi!
I guess computers are just like submarines: as soon as you open a
window, the problems start.
Jokes aside, I get all the effects described, and then some more, at
times when my cpu or disk usage is high. Yes, you heard that
correctly, disk is influencing it for me. Timing issues with UIA
strike again, I would assume. Insert five minute rant here on why this
is unacceptable.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 4. Jan. 2019 um 11:52 Uhr schrieb Chris Mullins <cjmullins29@...>:


Hi

When you press the Windows key you will land in the Cortana search box. Press tab until you find a button entitled “Toggle start navigation menu items”. Press this then use down arrow not tab to navigate start menu.



Cheers

Chris



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 3 January 2019 23:40
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] nvda doesn't announce the start menu after pressing the windows key



Hey guys, Molly here again.

For some reason 99 percent of the time Nvda doesn’t announce that I’m on the start menu when I press the windows logo key. I press it and Nvda says nothing at all. It’s happening on both machines. It’s frustrating because I’m needing to access different folders and I want to search for them using the start menu.

Do you have any ideas on what could be causing this?

Running windows 10 home, build 17763 on both machines.

Thanks.


Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

so, is this virtual recorder a recorder with no editing features?

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Well, I'll bet lots of others are having the same problem but nobody wants to be the first. OK, I'll be that person. The virtual recorder install program didn't create an entry in the start menu or a desk top icon or an icon in the applications bar as mentioned in the readme file. I tried to start it with the command line but that has been changed and I don't know how to access it anymore. When I had it running after the installation I made a test recording but the directory where it said it put the recording doesn't show up in windows explorer. Maybe I should forget it and find another program.


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Yes but virtual recorder does not involve fiddling with sound card settings and is free so you can use the editor of choice.
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Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.


Goldwave would be your best bet. In its microphone section it has a
loopback feature that will allow you to point it to your sound card
and record from it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sue J. Ward" <groovy41@...>
To: "nvda groups" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic
plugged in sure could use some help.


Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works
with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a
lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have
tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user
guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets
just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my
computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of
total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do
have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section
and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used
sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work
with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or
maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
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Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Is there an audacity tutorial in text available any where?

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 4, 2019 5:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.


Hi.

I am using audacity fine here with windows 10. You need to go to preferences, then arrow up/down to devices. tab and make sure your host is set to windows wasapi. tab once more and set your playback device to your speakers. tab for a third time and make sure the recording device is set using the loopback option, for example speakers loopback. then press OK. that should enable to you press R when in audacity and it will start recording. when you're finished, press space to stop then space again to start playback. works like a charm with the latest version of audacity.

cheers,

Mo.



On 04/01/2019 12:08, Chris Mullins wrote:
Hi Sue
I think Virtual Recorder is one of the easiest recorders to use. I don't agree with Brian about having to edit the beginning and end of recordings. You can set up keyboard shortcuts with VR and have it running in the background. The Record and Stop shortcut keys sound a bleep when pressed so you know they are engaged and by temporarily switching NVDA into silent mode, with a bit of practice, you can get clean recordings.

As for stereo mix not showing in your Sound Card settings, I remember a while ago having my stereo mix disappear from the list of devices on the recording tab and after doing some googling, I found out that it can be disabled. Try checking in Device manager, Audio inputs and outputs and see if it is there and enabled.

Cheers
Chris


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Sent: 4 January 2019 09:26
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Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Look up Virtual Recorder.
It allows various sorts of recordings from inside the machine very easily,
but of course at the end you will need to load it into an editor to get rid
of the rubbish at the start and end as normal.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
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To: "nvda groups" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 4:11 AM
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in
sure could use some help.


Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with
NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of
internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried
audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to
make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets just say if I
want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of
program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold
wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I
did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound
card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to
get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in
jack nothing. Or maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would
be excellent. Thank you.
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Re: Java accessibility

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It is now part of the package but you need both the 32 and 64 bit versions on a 64 bit machine and not all controls seem tope accessible. I do not know about the other software. Normally its people using java based stuff that need the bridges, but I have no direct knowledge of authoring with it myself.
I thought Java was a dying system now.
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From: "Andy" <wq6r@...>
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Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 6:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Java accessibility


Haven't used Java applications in a long time, but i seem to recall that you need to install a program called Java Access Bridge, which facilitates interaction between java and screen readers.

Andy

----- Original Message -----
From: farhan israk
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:43 PM
Subject: [nvda] Java accessibility


I want to learn java. For this reason I installed jdk and intelliJ ide. But,after opening intelliJ ide, I'm not able to navigate. If I press tab or aero keys nvda doesn't say anything. Got same result with object navigation. Nvda doesn't say anything. Now, what can I do?


Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

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Well we could recommend Reaper, but if like me you have simple needs and do not need to understand a whole new set of terms and ways of working its not worth buying it.
On the other hand I have had consistent results with Goldwave and have paid for it, and I'm happy. Audacity, being a bit more complex to use can do good work, but I like the configurable nature of the effects on Goldwave.

Its really up to anyone who wants to edit and record to try them all and see what floats their boat. Certainly Goldwave can be run in demo mode.
Brian

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Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.


Also, another reason I express my opinion strongly when a question like this comes up is because so many people recommend Gold Wave. Audacity is a good program, Mp3 Direct Cut is a good program, Virtual Recorder is a good program but almost all the recommendations are for Gold Wave. If I didn't strongly recommend something, it might be easier for someone to think, well, one person recommended Virtual Recorder and three recommended Gold Wave. I guess Gold Wave is a better program. So the entire context must be considered.

Gene
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From: Gene
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 11:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.


In your example, you are saying the person is already using Word for shopping lists. In this case, someone is asking for a program and they are saying that they followed the recommended settings and they didn't work. At this point, all we know is that the person wants to record what they hear and maybe they want to use line-in.

I'm not helping anyone if I hedge my answer and don't make what I consider is the best recommendation for what the person says they want to do and if they already aren't familiar with a more sophisticated program. Anyone is free to disagree with me. but if someone wants to use a more complex program later, learning this very simple program won't dissuade them. Indeed, as they get to see how convenient computer recording is, they may be more motivated.

You can posit all sorts of what if or maybe examples. That gets in the way of evaluating what someone knows, what they want to do now, and making a recommendation based on that.

I don't put any confidence in what the public schools are doing as models. They have none too good a track record and they are trendy. Wasn't it almost only yesterday that every child had to have his or her own laptop? What's happening now? A revolt of the silicon Vally elite, many of whom have gone to the opposite extreme and won't let their children use computers or devices at all until they are much older than young children.

I invite anyone to disagree and recommend what they want but I also will express my opinion clearly if I have one because I strongly believe I'm not helping people properly if I don't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.


Gene,

I think that it's important to respect a person's choice of software for what works well for them even if it's not a choice we would make for ourselves. In this case, Goldwave may well be the preferred piece of software for simple recording for some users. It might not necessarily be the first choice for that task we might think of recommending to someone but people use what works for them and we need to respect that. Someone might choose to use Microsoft Word to jot down and print their shopping list. We might feel that there are better options for that task. We might be tempted to recommend Jarte or even Notepad for what to us might seem like a simple task. However, if a user wants to use Word for that task then they have every right to do so and it's not for us to decide whether using Word for that purpose is the most appropriate choice for that user. Indeed, I could argue for that user by saying that the additional features of Word will always be available if or when they decide to branch out into more complex writing tasks. When that time comes they will already have learned the basics of Word and can therefore advance by learning how to use additional features in a program they already know on a basic level. If I choose to use Goldwave to read text into a microphone then that choice may work best for me. Perhaps I may discover other features contained within the program that I wasn't initially planning to use but which may cause me to be curious enough to experiment. I would personally prefer to learn about sound editing from one program rather than starting out with simple tasks on a more basic program and then learning a whole new piece of software when I want to try my hand with more advanced tasks. That approach may work well for many people and I think it's important to consider that. I've heard that in mainstream public schools they're teaching Powerpoint to fourth graders. They don't necessarily start out with a special program knowing that some kids might only use it for basic tasks. Kids are learning Office at a young age, starting out with basic tasks but working their way up to intermediate and advanced features. It's much more practical to learn all of these tasks on one program rather than forcing them to change over to another program later on. This is why many blind children start out with JAWS as their screen reader, rather than being taught NVDA and Narrator. You might start out by using JAWS to perform basic screen reading tasks. However, if a student finds that he needs more than the basics he can stay with the same screen reader and learn more as he needs to or wishes to.





David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 1/4/2019 11:31 AM, Gene wrote:

If you are saying that Gold Wave is the program of choice for simple recording and editing and that's all it will be used for, that isn't the case. For people with more complex needs, Gold Wave may be a good choice. But not for someone who just says, I want to do some recording. There are much more simple programs and in addition, regarding editing, Goldwave is definitely not the program to use to edit existing MP3 files. It reencodes the files and causes a loss of quality. There is no one best recording program. It depends what you are going to use it for.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.


GoldWave is a fully functional demo allowing you to use all features. The only draw back if you don’t register it is that every time you enter it you get the GoldWave introduction, no big deal!



E-mail is golden!!!
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From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.



Goldwave isn't free and there is no reason to use it for simple recording and editing. I'll look at the program I'm going to send tomorrow and make sure what the options are. The options may be all you need. Or, you may need to learn to change sound card settings to record using a line-in input. But just what do you want to record? Do you want to record from a physical radio or record a radio stream that is streaming online? What sorts of other things do you want to record?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:16 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.



What options do you have in goldwave under the options, control properties, device tab?
Thanks,
Sam


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:12 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
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Re: nvda saying "deleted" when reading some text on webpages

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Yes I've noticed this. You hear something like Main content goes here, deleted.
Its as if there is hidden text on te page but nvda can see it where the sighted cannot.

Ink and paper the same colour perhaps?
I remember some years back now one site had egg on face as some joker had written hidden text that had swear words in it about the people who kept editing the page without following the guidlines. Very funny.
Brian

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From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 5:39 AM
Subject: [nvda] nvda saying "deleted" when reading some text on webpages


hi all,

Does anyone know why this happens? When I read word by word, I can find words where this atribute is anounced.



Re: Mailchimp and NVDA

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Its crap.
A number of councils and other organisations use this for surveys and newsletters. I guess like anything else it depends on who is making the pages etc, but I have had some appalling forms and strange html emails from people useing their service. How much of this is down to the platform and how much to the user, I simply do not know.
I have to say if its email newsletters prgloo seem to be a lot more on the boil as it were as a recent upgrade orphaned off the plain text so it remained old when the html was updated, and this was fixed very quickly and I was asked to test it. I do not know about Mail chimp.
Would you know if Survey Monkey and Mail Chimp are related or are they just ape related, so to speak. I ask as Survey monkeys forms can be a little odd as well.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Governor staten" <govsta@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Mailchimp and NVDA


Hello list. The subject says it all. How accessible is Mailchimp with use of
NVDA? Is it better with one browser as opposed to another? I'm hoping that
it works well with our favorite screen reader. One thing I can't imagine is
that dragging and dropping of elements to create a template is easy to do.



A free account can be created on this service. www.mailchimp.com
<http://www.mailchimp.com> is the link. Preferably, I would like to hear
from those who are using this service, or services like it. I have some
feelers out elsewhere, but, would like to see what information can be
gleaned here. Thanks in advance for any help or leads you can give me.




Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

David Goldfield
 

If someone just wants to record and is not interested in the ins and outs, as you say, it's certainly appropriate to say, "well, if that's all you want to do then you can start out with such and such which is free and just gives you the basic functionality you're asking for. There's nothing wrong with that. However, I might then talk about other packages which will offer those same basic features but which might offer some other cool features they hadn't thought of, such as multitrack recording or other effects. The person might say, "no, no, I don't want any of that, I just want to record my voice and save them as simple sound files." However, someone might say, "Really? That might be something I might want to explore later on." They might want something with extra features for future exploration but only if it's free or only if it costs no more than such and such. They might resist anything beyond basic recording. However, a consumer might say, "I want to do basic recording for now but what options are available at a reasonable price if I want to go beyond that?" As you say, context must be attended to. I look at all of those responses the consumer is giving me and, based on all of them, I discuss the most appropriate choices with them. I might recommend options but, ultimately, I'd like the consumer to make that final choice based not only on their current needs but on their potential needs for future work.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 1/5/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:
And what if someone just wants to record and isn't particularly interested in all sorts of inns and outs?  You obviously had such an interest in developing a lot of knowledge and skill when you started.  A lot of people start off simply and then move on if they are interested.  Context should be attended to when recommending something. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

Agreed. I started with gold wave for my sound engineering career, then went to audacity, then sonar,, , then garage band, and now reaper. So I do agree with david 100 percent. Start with a big program such as gw then work your way up to what ever.

On 4 Jan 2019, at 20:12, David Goldfield wrote:

Gene,

I think that it's important to respect a person's choice of software for what works well for them even if it's not a choice we would make for ourselves. In this case, Goldwave may well be the preferred piece of software for simple recording for some users. It might not necessarily be the first choice for that task we might think of recommending to someone but people use what works for them and we need to respect that. Someone might choose to use Microsoft Word to jot down and print their shopping list. We might feel that there are better options for that task. We might be tempted to recommend Jarte or even Notepad for what to us might seem like a simple task. However, if a user wants to use Word for that task then they have every right to do so and it's not for us to decide whether using Word for that purpose is the most appropriate choice for that user. Indeed, I could argue for that user by saying that the additional features of Word will always be available if or when they decide to branch out into more complex writing tasks. When that time comes they will already have learned the basics of Word and can therefore advance by learning how to use additional features in a program they already know on a basic level. If I choose to use Goldwave to read text into a microphone then that choice may work best for me. Perhaps I may discover other features contained within the program that I wasn't initially planning to use but which may cause me to be curious enough to experiment. I would personally prefer to learn about sound editing from one program rather than starting out with simple tasks on a more basic program and then learning a whole new piece of software when I want to try my hand with more advanced tasks. That approach may work well for many people and I think it's important to consider that. I've heard that in mainstream public schools they're teaching Powerpoint to fourth graders. They don't necessarily start out with a special program knowing that some kids might only use it for basic tasks. Kids are learning Office at a young age, starting out with basic tasks but working their way up to intermediate and advanced features. It's much more practical to learn all of these tasks on one program rather than forcing them to change over to another program later on. This is why many blind children start out with JAWS as their screen reader, rather than being taught NVDA and Narrator. You might start out by using JAWS to perform basic screen reading tasks. However, if a student finds that he needs more than the basics he can stay with the same screen reader and learn more as he needs to or wishes to.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 1/4/2019 11:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that Gold Wave is the program of choice for simple recording and editing and that's all it will be used for, that isn't the case.  For people with more complex needs, Gold Wave may be a good choice.  But not for someone who just says, I want to do some recording.  There are much more simple programs and in addition, regarding editing, Goldwave is definitely not the program to use to edit existing MP3 files.  It reencodes the files and causes a loss of quality.  There is no one best recording program.  It depends what you are going to use it for. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

GoldWave is a fully functional demo allowing you to use all features.  The only draw back if you don’t register it is that every time you enter it you get the GoldWave introduction, no big deal!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

 

Goldwave isn't free and there is no reason to use it for simple recording and editing.  I'll look at the program I'm going to send tomorrow and make sure what the options are.  The options may be all you need.  Or, you may need to learn to change sound card settings to record using a line-in input.  But just what do you want to record?  Do you want to record from a physical radio or record a radio stream that is streaming online?  What sorts of other things do you want to record?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

What options do you have in goldwave under the options, control properties, device tab?
Thanks,
Sam
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:12 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

  Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
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Re: Java accessibility

Andy
 


Haven't used Java applications in a long time, but i seem to recall that you need to install a program called Java Access Bridge, which facilitates interaction between java and screen readers.
 
Andy
 

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Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:43 PM
Subject: [nvda] Java accessibility

I want to learn java. For this reason I installed jdk and intelliJ ide. But,after opening intelliJ ide, I'm not able to navigate. If I press tab or aero keys nvda doesn't say anything. Got same result with object navigation. Nvda doesn't say anything. Now, what can I do?


Java accessibility

farhan israk
 

I want to learn java. For this reason I installed jdk and intelliJ ide. But,after opening intelliJ ide, I'm not able to navigate. If I press tab or aero keys nvda doesn't say anything. Got same result with object navigation. Nvda doesn't say anything. Now, what can I do?


Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

David Goldfield
 

Gene,

Why do you have to express your opinion strongly to ensure that your point has been properly made? Don't get me wrong: I have strong opinions about lots of things from software to politics to morality. If someone asks for a recommendation and if I think that I have something to contribute to the discussion then I put my recommendation out on the table. This is what I like, this is why I like it, here's where you can acquire it and that's all that I need to say about it. I don't feel the need to compete with other recommendations to ensure that my particular one is somehow considered above the others or so that my recommendation somehow stands out enough to shift someone's opinion. That would actually make my recommendations and responses even more biased and I wouldn't fully trust someone who did that. I want to be regarded as a trustworthy resource and not as someone who tries to shift someone's opinion from others which have been expressed. What I care about is giving people options. I actually don't care if an option other than the one that I present is the one that someone might consider. I just don't care. If I know of several options I put them out there and state the pros and cons of each. It doesn't matter to me whether a reader chooses it or rejects it. Lists such as this one are forums where we can share what we know to empower others. I'm not interested in making dogmatic statements where I tell someone why they shouldn't use a particular piece of software. I want to know what you know. I'm not interested in knowing why you feel that I shouldn't be using a piece of software because it offers more features than what I'm using. At one point one of my relatives was using Excel for everything. Not only would she use it for its primary purpose for creating and editing spreadsheets but she would use it to compose documents. She would enlarge one cell and write documents within that cell. Honestly, my wife and I did think it was a bit crazy and I admit I used to snicker and wonder why she insisted on doing it. Admittedly, when I used to do assistive technology training I would have never trained any of my students to do serious word processing in Excel. That's what Microsoft Word was for. But this relative was set in her ways and somehow got used to using Excel for word processing even though I'm 99 percent sure that Word was installed on that computer. Hey, it was crazy and not something I'd ever encourage for serious writing. But for her it worked and she was just writing simple documents at home. If I told her that she should use Word she likely would not have listened. It was what she knew and that was how she intended to write her documents. You wouldn't catch me writing documents in Excel but my point is that somehow she got used to it and, for her, it worked. She was happy and worked very efficiently doing it this way. She also wasn't my student and so I had to accept it. I honestly wish you weren't so strong with your opinions. Just share what you know with no other agenda than to empower people to make their own choices, rather than trying to convince them to make the choice that you feel is best for them.  .

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 1/5/2019 1:13 AM, Gene wrote:
Also, another reason I express my opinion strongly when a question like this comes up is because so many people recommend Gold Wave.  Audacity is a good program, Mp3 Direct Cut is a good program, Virtual Recorder is a good program but almost all the recommendations are for Gold Wave.  If I didn't strongly recommend something, it might be easier for someone to think, well, one person recommended Virtual Recorder and three recommended Gold Wave.  I guess Gold Wave is a better program.  So the entire context must be considered. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

In your example, you are saying the person is already using Word for shopping lists.  In this case, someone is asking for a program and they are saying that they followed the recommended settings and they didn't work.  At this point, all we know is that the person wants to record what they hear and maybe they want to use line-in. 
 
I'm not helping anyone if I hedge my answer and don't make what I consider is the best recommendation for what the person says they want to do and if they already aren't familiar with a more sophisticated program.  Anyone is free to disagree with me.  but if someone wants to use a more complex program later, learning this very simple program won't dissuade them.  Indeed, as they get to see how convenient computer recording is, they may be more motivated. 
 
You can posit all sorts of what if or maybe examples.  That gets in the way of evaluating what someone knows, what they want to do now, and making a recommendation based on that. 
 
I don't put any confidence in what the public schools are doing as models.  They have none too good a track record and they are trendy.  Wasn't it almost only yesterday that every child had to have his or her own laptop?  What's happening now?  A revolt of the silicon Vally elite, many of whom have gone to the opposite extreme and won't let their children use computers or devices at all until they are much older than young children. 
 
I invite anyone to disagree and recommend what they want but I also will express my opinion clearly if I have one because I strongly believe I'm not helping people properly if I don't.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

Gene,

I think that it's important to respect a person's choice of software for what works well for them even if it's not a choice we would make for ourselves. In this case, Goldwave may well be the preferred piece of software for simple recording for some users. It might not necessarily be the first choice for that task we might think of recommending to someone but people use what works for them and we need to respect that. Someone might choose to use Microsoft Word to jot down and print their shopping list. We might feel that there are better options for that task. We might be tempted to recommend Jarte or even Notepad for what to us might seem like a simple task. However, if a user wants to use Word for that task then they have every right to do so and it's not for us to decide whether using Word for that purpose is the most appropriate choice for that user. Indeed, I could argue for that user by saying that the additional features of Word will always be available if or when they decide to branch out into more complex writing tasks. When that time comes they will already have learned the basics of Word and can therefore advance by learning how to use additional features in a program they already know on a basic level. If I choose to use Goldwave to read text into a microphone then that choice may work best for me. Perhaps I may discover other features contained within the program that I wasn't initially planning to use but which may cause me to be curious enough to experiment. I would personally prefer to learn about sound editing from one program rather than starting out with simple tasks on a more basic program and then learning a whole new piece of software when I want to try my hand with more advanced tasks. That approach may work well for many people and I think it's important to consider that. I've heard that in mainstream public schools they're teaching Powerpoint to fourth graders. They don't necessarily start out with a special program knowing that some kids might only use it for basic tasks. Kids are learning Office at a young age, starting out with basic tasks but working their way up to intermediate and advanced features. It's much more practical to learn all of these tasks on one program rather than forcing them to change over to another program later on. This is why many blind children start out with JAWS as their screen reader, rather than being taught NVDA and Narrator. You might start out by using JAWS to perform basic screen reading tasks. However, if a student finds that he needs more than the basics he can stay with the same screen reader and learn more as he needs to or wishes to.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 1/4/2019 11:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that Gold Wave is the program of choice for simple recording and editing and that's all it will be used for, that isn't the case.  For people with more complex needs, Gold Wave may be a good choice.  But not for someone who just says, I want to do some recording.  There are much more simple programs and in addition, regarding editing, Goldwave is definitely not the program to use to edit existing MP3 files.  It reencodes the files and causes a loss of quality.  There is no one best recording program.  It depends what you are going to use it for. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

GoldWave is a fully functional demo allowing you to use all features.  The only draw back if you don’t register it is that every time you enter it you get the GoldWave introduction, no big deal!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

 

Goldwave isn't free and there is no reason to use it for simple recording and editing.  I'll look at the program I'm going to send tomorrow and make sure what the options are.  The options may be all you need.  Or, you may need to learn to change sound card settings to record using a line-in input.  But just what do you want to record?  Do you want to record from a physical radio or record a radio stream that is streaming online?  What sorts of other things do you want to record?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

What options do you have in goldwave under the options, control properties, device tab?
Thanks,
Sam
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:12 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

  Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
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Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

Gene
 

Also, another reason I express my opinion strongly when a question like this comes up is because so many people recommend Gold Wave.  Audacity is a good program, Mp3 Direct Cut is a good program, Virtual Recorder is a good program but almost all the recommendations are for Gold Wave.  If I didn't strongly recommend something, it might be easier for someone to think, well, one person recommended Virtual Recorder and three recommended Gold Wave.  I guess Gold Wave is a better program.  So the entire context must be considered. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

In your example, you are saying the person is already using Word for shopping lists.  In this case, someone is asking for a program and they are saying that they followed the recommended settings and they didn't work.  At this point, all we know is that the person wants to record what they hear and maybe they want to use line-in. 
 
I'm not helping anyone if I hedge my answer and don't make what I consider is the best recommendation for what the person says they want to do and if they already aren't familiar with a more sophisticated program.  Anyone is free to disagree with me.  but if someone wants to use a more complex program later, learning this very simple program won't dissuade them.  Indeed, as they get to see how convenient computer recording is, they may be more motivated. 
 
You can posit all sorts of what if or maybe examples.  That gets in the way of evaluating what someone knows, what they want to do now, and making a recommendation based on that. 
 
I don't put any confidence in what the public schools are doing as models.  They have none too good a track record and they are trendy.  Wasn't it almost only yesterday that every child had to have his or her own laptop?  What's happening now?  A revolt of the silicon Vally elite, many of whom have gone to the opposite extreme and won't let their children use computers or devices at all until they are much older than young children. 
 
I invite anyone to disagree and recommend what they want but I also will express my opinion clearly if I have one because I strongly believe I'm not helping people properly if I don't.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

Gene,

I think that it's important to respect a person's choice of software for what works well for them even if it's not a choice we would make for ourselves. In this case, Goldwave may well be the preferred piece of software for simple recording for some users. It might not necessarily be the first choice for that task we might think of recommending to someone but people use what works for them and we need to respect that. Someone might choose to use Microsoft Word to jot down and print their shopping list. We might feel that there are better options for that task. We might be tempted to recommend Jarte or even Notepad for what to us might seem like a simple task. However, if a user wants to use Word for that task then they have every right to do so and it's not for us to decide whether using Word for that purpose is the most appropriate choice for that user. Indeed, I could argue for that user by saying that the additional features of Word will always be available if or when they decide to branch out into more complex writing tasks. When that time comes they will already have learned the basics of Word and can therefore advance by learning how to use additional features in a program they already know on a basic level. If I choose to use Goldwave to read text into a microphone then that choice may work best for me. Perhaps I may discover other features contained within the program that I wasn't initially planning to use but which may cause me to be curious enough to experiment. I would personally prefer to learn about sound editing from one program rather than starting out with simple tasks on a more basic program and then learning a whole new piece of software when I want to try my hand with more advanced tasks. That approach may work well for many people and I think it's important to consider that. I've heard that in mainstream public schools they're teaching Powerpoint to fourth graders. They don't necessarily start out with a special program knowing that some kids might only use it for basic tasks. Kids are learning Office at a young age, starting out with basic tasks but working their way up to intermediate and advanced features. It's much more practical to learn all of these tasks on one program rather than forcing them to change over to another program later on. This is why many blind children start out with JAWS as their screen reader, rather than being taught NVDA and Narrator. You might start out by using JAWS to perform basic screen reading tasks. However, if a student finds that he needs more than the basics he can stay with the same screen reader and learn more as he needs to or wishes to.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 1/4/2019 11:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that Gold Wave is the program of choice for simple recording and editing and that's all it will be used for, that isn't the case.  For people with more complex needs, Gold Wave may be a good choice.  But not for someone who just says, I want to do some recording.  There are much more simple programs and in addition, regarding editing, Goldwave is definitely not the program to use to edit existing MP3 files.  It reencodes the files and causes a loss of quality.  There is no one best recording program.  It depends what you are going to use it for. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

GoldWave is a fully functional demo allowing you to use all features.  The only draw back if you don’t register it is that every time you enter it you get the GoldWave introduction, no big deal!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

 

Goldwave isn't free and there is no reason to use it for simple recording and editing.  I'll look at the program I'm going to send tomorrow and make sure what the options are.  The options may be all you need.  Or, you may need to learn to change sound card settings to record using a line-in input.  But just what do you want to record?  Do you want to record from a physical radio or record a radio stream that is streaming online?  What sorts of other things do you want to record?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

What options do you have in goldwave under the options, control properties, device tab?
Thanks,
Sam
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:12 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

  Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
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Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

Gene
 

And what if someone just wants to record and isn't particularly interested in all sorts of inns and outs?  You obviously had such an interest in developing a lot of knowledge and skill when you started.  A lot of people start off simply and then move on if they are interested.  Context should be attended to when recommending something. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 11:07 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

Agreed. I started with gold wave for my sound engineering career, then went to audacity, then sonar,, , then garage band, and now reaper. So I do agree with david 100 percent. Start with a big program such as gw then work your way up to what ever.

On 4 Jan 2019, at 20:12, David Goldfield wrote:

Gene,

I think that it's important to respect a person's choice of software for what works well for them even if it's not a choice we would make for ourselves. In this case, Goldwave may well be the preferred piece of software for simple recording for some users. It might not necessarily be the first choice for that task we might think of recommending to someone but people use what works for them and we need to respect that. Someone might choose to use Microsoft Word to jot down and print their shopping list. We might feel that there are better options for that task. We might be tempted to recommend Jarte or even Notepad for what to us might seem like a simple task. However, if a user wants to use Word for that task then they have every right to do so and it's not for us to decide whether using Word for that purpose is the most appropriate choice for that user. Indeed, I could argue for that user by saying that the additional features of Word will always be available if or when they decide to branch out into more complex writing tasks. When that time comes they will already have learned the basics of Word and can therefore advance by learning how to use additional features in a program they already know on a basic level. If I choose to use Goldwave to read text into a microphone then that choice may work best for me. Perhaps I may discover other features contained within the program that I wasn't initially planning to use but which may cause me to be curious enough to experiment. I would personally prefer to learn about sound editing from one program rather than starting out with simple tasks on a more basic program and then learning a whole new piece of software when I want to try my hand with more advanced tasks. That approach may work well for many people and I think it's important to consider that. I've heard that in mainstream public schools they're teaching Powerpoint to fourth graders. They don't necessarily start out with a special program knowing that some kids might only use it for basic tasks. Kids are learning Office at a young age, starting out with basic tasks but working their way up to intermediate and advanced features. It's much more practical to learn all of these tasks on one program rather than forcing them to change over to another program later on. This is why many blind children start out with JAWS as their screen reader, rather than being taught NVDA and Narrator. You might start out by using JAWS to perform basic screen reading tasks. However, if a student finds that he needs more than the basics he can stay with the same screen reader and learn more as he needs to or wishes to.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 1/4/2019 11:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that Gold Wave is the program of choice for simple recording and editing and that's all it will be used for, that isn't the case.  For people with more complex needs, Gold Wave may be a good choice.  But not for someone who just says, I want to do some recording.  There are much more simple programs and in addition, regarding editing, Goldwave is definitely not the program to use to edit existing MP3 files.  It reencodes the files and causes a loss of quality.  There is no one best recording program.  It depends what you are going to use it for. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

GoldWave is a fully functional demo allowing you to use all features.  The only draw back if you don’t register it is that every time you enter it you get the GoldWave introduction, no big deal!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

 

Goldwave isn't free and there is no reason to use it for simple recording and editing.  I'll look at the program I'm going to send tomorrow and make sure what the options are.  The options may be all you need.  Or, you may need to learn to change sound card settings to record using a line-in input.  But just what do you want to record?  Do you want to record from a physical radio or record a radio stream that is streaming online?  What sorts of other things do you want to record?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

What options do you have in goldwave under the options, control properties, device tab?
Thanks,
Sam
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:12 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

  Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
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Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

Gene
 

In your example, you are saying the person is already using Word for shopping lists.  In this case, someone is asking for a program and they are saying that they followed the recommended settings and they didn't work.  At this point, all we know is that the person wants to record what they hear and maybe they want to use line-in. 
 
I'm not helping anyone if I hedge my answer and don't make what I consider is the best recommendation for what the person says they want to do and if they already aren't familiar with a more sophisticated program.  Anyone is free to disagree with me.  but if someone wants to use a more complex program later, learning this very simple program won't dissuade them.  Indeed, as they get to see how convenient computer recording is, they may be more motivated. 
 
You can posit all sorts of what if or maybe examples.  That gets in the way of evaluating what someone knows, what they want to do now, and making a recommendation based on that. 
 
I don't put any confidence in what the public schools are doing as models.  They have none too good a track record and they are trendy.  Wasn't it almost only yesterday that every child had to have his or her own laptop?  What's happening now?  A revolt of the silicon Vally elite, many of whom have gone to the opposite extreme and won't let their children use computers or devices at all until they are much older than young children. 
 
I invite anyone to disagree and recommend what they want but I also will express my opinion clearly if I have one because I strongly believe I'm not helping people properly if I don't.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

Gene,

I think that it's important to respect a person's choice of software for what works well for them even if it's not a choice we would make for ourselves. In this case, Goldwave may well be the preferred piece of software for simple recording for some users. It might not necessarily be the first choice for that task we might think of recommending to someone but people use what works for them and we need to respect that. Someone might choose to use Microsoft Word to jot down and print their shopping list. We might feel that there are better options for that task. We might be tempted to recommend Jarte or even Notepad for what to us might seem like a simple task. However, if a user wants to use Word for that task then they have every right to do so and it's not for us to decide whether using Word for that purpose is the most appropriate choice for that user. Indeed, I could argue for that user by saying that the additional features of Word will always be available if or when they decide to branch out into more complex writing tasks. When that time comes they will already have learned the basics of Word and can therefore advance by learning how to use additional features in a program they already know on a basic level. If I choose to use Goldwave to read text into a microphone then that choice may work best for me. Perhaps I may discover other features contained within the program that I wasn't initially planning to use but which may cause me to be curious enough to experiment. I would personally prefer to learn about sound editing from one program rather than starting out with simple tasks on a more basic program and then learning a whole new piece of software when I want to try my hand with more advanced tasks. That approach may work well for many people and I think it's important to consider that. I've heard that in mainstream public schools they're teaching Powerpoint to fourth graders. They don't necessarily start out with a special program knowing that some kids might only use it for basic tasks. Kids are learning Office at a young age, starting out with basic tasks but working their way up to intermediate and advanced features. It's much more practical to learn all of these tasks on one program rather than forcing them to change over to another program later on. This is why many blind children start out with JAWS as their screen reader, rather than being taught NVDA and Narrator. You might start out by using JAWS to perform basic screen reading tasks. However, if a student finds that he needs more than the basics he can stay with the same screen reader and learn more as he needs to or wishes to.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 1/4/2019 11:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that Gold Wave is the program of choice for simple recording and editing and that's all it will be used for, that isn't the case.  For people with more complex needs, Gold Wave may be a good choice.  But not for someone who just says, I want to do some recording.  There are much more simple programs and in addition, regarding editing, Goldwave is definitely not the program to use to edit existing MP3 files.  It reencodes the files and causes a loss of quality.  There is no one best recording program.  It depends what you are going to use it for. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

GoldWave is a fully functional demo allowing you to use all features.  The only draw back if you don’t register it is that every time you enter it you get the GoldWave introduction, no big deal!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

 

Goldwave isn't free and there is no reason to use it for simple recording and editing.  I'll look at the program I'm going to send tomorrow and make sure what the options are.  The options may be all you need.  Or, you may need to learn to change sound card settings to record using a line-in input.  But just what do you want to record?  Do you want to record from a physical radio or record a radio stream that is streaming online?  What sorts of other things do you want to record?

 

Gene

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From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

What options do you have in goldwave under the options, control properties, device tab?
Thanks,
Sam
 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:12 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

  Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
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nvda saying "deleted" when reading some text on webpages

enes sarıbaş
 

hi all,

Does anyone know why this happens?  When I read word by word, I can find words where this atribute is anounced.


Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Agreed. I started with gold wave for my sound engineering career, then went to audacity, then sonar,, , then garage band, and now reaper. So I do agree with david 100 percent. Start with a big program such as gw then work your way up to what ever.

On 4 Jan 2019, at 20:12, David Goldfield wrote:

Gene,

I think that it's important to respect a person's choice of software for what works well for them even if it's not a choice we would make for ourselves. In this case, Goldwave may well be the preferred piece of software for simple recording for some users. It might not necessarily be the first choice for that task we might think of recommending to someone but people use what works for them and we need to respect that. Someone might choose to use Microsoft Word to jot down and print their shopping list. We might feel that there are better options for that task. We might be tempted to recommend Jarte or even Notepad for what to us might seem like a simple task. However, if a user wants to use Word for that task then they have every right to do so and it's not for us to decide whether using Word for that purpose is the most appropriate choice for that user. Indeed, I could argue for that user by saying that the additional features of Word will always be available if or when they decide to branch out into more complex writing tasks. When that time comes they will already have learned the basics of Word and can therefore advance by learning how to use additional features in a program they already know on a basic level. If I choose to use Goldwave to read text into a microphone then that choice may work best for me. Perhaps I may discover other features contained within the program that I wasn't initially planning to use but which may cause me to be curious enough to experiment. I would personally prefer to learn about sound editing from one program rather than starting out with simple tasks on a more basic program and then learning a whole new piece of software when I want to try my hand with more advanced tasks. That approach may work well for many people and I think it's important to consider that. I've heard that in mainstream public schools they're teaching Powerpoint to fourth graders. They don't necessarily start out with a special program knowing that some kids might only use it for basic tasks. Kids are learning Office at a young age, starting out with basic tasks but working their way up to intermediate and advanced features. It's much more practical to learn all of these tasks on one program rather than forcing them to change over to another program later on. This is why many blind children start out with JAWS as their screen reader, rather than being taught NVDA and Narrator. You might start out by using JAWS to perform basic screen reading tasks. However, if a student finds that he needs more than the basics he can stay with the same screen reader and learn more as he needs to or wishes to.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 1/4/2019 11:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that Gold Wave is the program of choice for simple recording and editing and that's all it will be used for, that isn't the case.  For people with more complex needs, Gold Wave may be a good choice.  But not for someone who just says, I want to do some recording.  There are much more simple programs and in addition, regarding editing, Goldwave is definitely not the program to use to edit existing MP3 files.  It reencodes the files and causes a loss of quality.  There is no one best recording program.  It depends what you are going to use it for. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

GoldWave is a fully functional demo allowing you to use all features.  The only draw back if you don’t register it is that every time you enter it you get the GoldWave introduction, no big deal!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

 

Goldwave isn't free and there is no reason to use it for simple recording and editing.  I'll look at the program I'm going to send tomorrow and make sure what the options are.  The options may be all you need.  Or, you may need to learn to change sound card settings to record using a line-in input.  But just what do you want to record?  Do you want to record from a physical radio or record a radio stream that is streaming online?  What sorts of other things do you want to record?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

What options do you have in goldwave under the options, control properties, device tab?
Thanks,
Sam
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:12 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

  Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
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Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

David Goldfield
 

Gene,

I think that it's important to respect a person's choice of software for what works well for them even if it's not a choice we would make for ourselves. In this case, Goldwave may well be the preferred piece of software for simple recording for some users. It might not necessarily be the first choice for that task we might think of recommending to someone but people use what works for them and we need to respect that. Someone might choose to use Microsoft Word to jot down and print their shopping list. We might feel that there are better options for that task. We might be tempted to recommend Jarte or even Notepad for what to us might seem like a simple task. However, if a user wants to use Word for that task then they have every right to do so and it's not for us to decide whether using Word for that purpose is the most appropriate choice for that user. Indeed, I could argue for that user by saying that the additional features of Word will always be available if or when they decide to branch out into more complex writing tasks. When that time comes they will already have learned the basics of Word and can therefore advance by learning how to use additional features in a program they already know on a basic level. If I choose to use Goldwave to read text into a microphone then that choice may work best for me. Perhaps I may discover other features contained within the program that I wasn't initially planning to use but which may cause me to be curious enough to experiment. I would personally prefer to learn about sound editing from one program rather than starting out with simple tasks on a more basic program and then learning a whole new piece of software when I want to try my hand with more advanced tasks. That approach may work well for many people and I think it's important to consider that. I've heard that in mainstream public schools they're teaching Powerpoint to fourth graders. They don't necessarily start out with a special program knowing that some kids might only use it for basic tasks. Kids are learning Office at a young age, starting out with basic tasks but working their way up to intermediate and advanced features. It's much more practical to learn all of these tasks on one program rather than forcing them to change over to another program later on. This is why many blind children start out with JAWS as their screen reader, rather than being taught NVDA and Narrator. You might start out by using JAWS to perform basic screen reading tasks. However, if a student finds that he needs more than the basics he can stay with the same screen reader and learn more as he needs to or wishes to.


David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 1/4/2019 11:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that Gold Wave is the program of choice for simple recording and editing and that's all it will be used for, that isn't the case.  For people with more complex needs, Gold Wave may be a good choice.  But not for someone who just says, I want to do some recording.  There are much more simple programs and in addition, regarding editing, Goldwave is definitely not the program to use to edit existing MP3 files.  It reencodes the files and causes a loss of quality.  There is no one best recording program.  It depends what you are going to use it for. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

GoldWave is a fully functional demo allowing you to use all features.  The only draw back if you don’t register it is that every time you enter it you get the GoldWave introduction, no big deal!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

 

Goldwave isn't free and there is no reason to use it for simple recording and editing.  I'll look at the program I'm going to send tomorrow and make sure what the options are.  The options may be all you need.  Or, you may need to learn to change sound card settings to record using a line-in input.  But just what do you want to record?  Do you want to record from a physical radio or record a radio stream that is streaming online?  What sorts of other things do you want to record?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

What options do you have in goldwave under the options, control properties, device tab?
Thanks,
Sam
 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:12 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

  Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
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Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

MAX <max@...>
 

I got it from your drop box URL

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 5:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

Try using the version I sent this morning.  It was developed by a blind user and it is fully accessible and requires no installation.  I assume the person went through the trouble to create the portable versions because there were some sort of problems using the installed version.

 

These versions, of which I hope I have the latest, were developed by Carlos, who ran another list and died about a year ago, which was a significant loss because of his help to the blind computer using community.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 3:38 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

Well, I'll bet lots of others are having the same problem but nobody wants to be the first.  OK, I'll be that person.  The virtual recorder install program didn't create an entry in the start menu or a desk top icon or an icon in the applications bar as mentioned in the readme file.  I tried to start it with the command line but that has been changed and I don't know how to access it anymore.  When I had it running after the installation I made a test recording but the directory where it said it put the recording doesn't show up in windows explorer.  Maybe I should forget it and find another program.


73 (Regards).

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 3:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Yes but virtual recorder does not involve fiddling with sound card settings and is free so you can use the editor of choice.
 Brian

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From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@...>
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Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.


> Goldwave would be your best bet. In its microphone section it has a
> loopback feature that will allow you to point it to your sound card
> and record from it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue J. Ward" <groovy41@...>
> To: "nvda groups" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:11 PM
> Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic
> plugged in sure could use some help.
>
>
>>  Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works
>> with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a
>> lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have
>> tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user
>> guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets
>> just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my
>> computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of
>> total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do
>> have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section
>> and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used
>> sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work
>> with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or
>> maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Top Gut Doctor Warns: "Throw Out This Vegetable Immediately"
>> unhealthpublications.com
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5c2edd115b38d5d104ca5st01duc
>>
>>
>>
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>
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