Date   

Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

Brian's Mail list account
 

I still like Jarte free version as its based on wordpad. I have replaced Notpad with a third party text editor now. Of course when it comes to audio Audacity is the free one.
I did pay for goldwave but I have to say I've stuck with the 32 bit version since I have a number of home made effects that do what I need to do.

Its all horses for courses as we say over here.

I still have a very old version of word on this windows 7 machine, why would I want to update it? It does all I need. Its 2002, but with all the updates it had I also have the formats converter as most of the time nobody really uses the extensive extras that docx provides. If I need that Libra Office writer on a portable bases seems fine if a little annoying from the read all point of view.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.


Dear Gene & List:

Yes, Goldwave is a full-featured audio editor & recording program, the registration fee is reasonable at US $50 for life with free upgrades and a variety of add-ins and add-ons.

If Virtual Recorder meets people’s needs, great, go for it.

Another r4ecording program is Total Recorder, more expensive to register, has nice add-ons which are paid for/. Has a multitrack & video editor, not sure how useful it is with JAWS, NVDA or Narrator.

Again, for a simple editor, Notepad is good to start with, followed by WordPad when the person wants to use different fonts, italic, underline, bold etc. Then when they want full-blown Word, they have an idea as to what fonts, print attributes etc. are.

Some people may learn WordPad & Notepad in a morning; others may take a few weeks to master these editors.

However, starting with a simple program and graduating to Word or Word Perfect makes much sense.
Brian K. Lingard


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 5, 2019 7:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

I do not overemphasize or alter facts. However, if three people recommend Goldwave, I may say something like; Goldwave is not a good or is not the best program for what you want to do in response to two or three recommendations of Goldwave. Intended or not, I think that if three people recommend one program and one person recommends another, many people may decide to try the program that gets three recommendations. So without changing facts I may make a statement like to do what you want to do, Goldwave is not the best choice, or to do what you want to do, I strongly believe Goldwave is not the best choice and explain why.

You talk about dogmatic statements. I did not just make a statement you characterize as dogmatic. I gave very specific reasons to support my statement. Others are free to disagree.

In the case of the woman who used Excel, that is an entirely different matter. She does what she wants and she has been doing it a long time. I do not go around telling people what I recommend if I have not been asked. However, this is different. Someone said, I want a program that does exactly this and that. I tried another program and I could not get it to do it. Three people recommended a complex program you pay for. I recommended the program I think is best for the specified purpose.

I could have given considerable information discussing other programs and why I think virtual Recorder is the best choice. I indicated, without going into a lot of detail, why I think virtual Recorder is the best choice for the needs stated. If you go into too much detail, it may be counterproductive. The amount may differ depending on how much the person knows and how the program is intended to be used.

In addition, instructors make choices all the time. When someone is learning how to use a computer and does not know various programs, as an instructor, the instructor does not explain why to use or not to use three word processors and ask the student to choose which to learn. The instructor does not ask the person to decide between Windows 8 and Windows 10. If the instructor knows the person wants to use Word, then, of course, the instructor should teach Word, but not necessarily as the first program. It might make more sense to start with WordPad. I would think, and I don't know this because I haven't used Word in recent versions, but I would think that when teaching ribbons, it is much better to start in WordPad, where the ribbons are simple than to start in a complex program like Word where the ribbons are very large and complex. It is the concept, not the complexity at first.

You say you wish I were not so strong in my opinions. I do not know what other instances you have in mind. I do not just state opinions, I give reasons for them. I do not just say something like this is not the best program for someone who is just learning. In addition, not elaborate. So my dogmatic statements, which I do not think usually are, are supported with reasons and others are free to counter them. In addition, consider that other things can have the effect of a dogmatic statement as well. If three people recommend Goldwave, that can have the effect of a dogmatic statement. Three people recommended this program. I guess I will try it because it is probably good. I am not saying Goldwave is not a good program. However, three recommendations for one program and one for another may create a form of majority rules bias when someone is making up their mind.

If you or others want to point out instances where you think I should state things differently, that is fine. I do not mind discussing such things. I am not saying I will agree but I am willing to discuss them.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: David Goldfield <mailto:david.goldfield@...>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 12:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

Gene,
Why do you have to express your opinion strongly to ensure that your point has been properly made? Do not get me wrong: I have strong opinions about lots of things from software to politics to morality. If someone asks for a recommendation and if I think that I have something to contribute to the discussion then I put my recommendation out on the table. This is what I like, this is why I like it, here where you can acquire it and that is all that I need to say about it. I do not feel the need to compete with other recommendations to ensure that my particular one is somehow considered above the others or so that my recommendation somehow stands out enough to shift someone's opinion. That would actually make my recommendations and responses even more biased and I would not fully trust someone who did that. I want to be regarded as a trustworthy resource and not as someone who tries to shift someone's opinion from others, which have been expressed. What I care about is giving people options. I actually do not care if an option other than the one that I present is the one that someone might consider. I just do not care. If I know of several options, I put them out there and state the pros and cons of each. It does not matter to me whether a reader chooses it or rejects it. Lists such as this one are forums where we can share what we know to empower others. I am not interested in making dogmatic statements where I tell someone why they should not use a particular piece of software. I want to know what you know. I am not interested in knowing why you feel that I should not be using a piece of software because it offers more features than what I am using. At one point one of my relatives was using Excel for everything. Not only would she use it for its primary purpose for creating and editing spreadsheets but also she would use it to compose documents. She would enlarge one cell and write documents within that cell. Honestly, my wife and I did think it was a bit crazy and I admit I used to snicker and wonder why she insisted on doing it. Admittedly, when I used to do assistive technology training I would have never trained any of my students to do serious word processing in Excel. That is what Microsoft Word was for. However, this relative was set in her ways and somehow got used to using Excel for word processing even though I am 99 percent sure that Word was installed on that computer. Hey, it was crazy and not something, I would ever encourage for serious writing. However, for her it worked and she was just writing simple documents at home. If I told her that she should use Word, she likely would not have listened. It was what she knew and that was how she intended to write her documents. You would not catch me writing documents in Excel but my point is that somehow she got used to it and, for her, it worked. She was happy and worked very efficiently doing it this way. She also was not my student and so I had to accept it. I honestly wish you were not so strong with your opinions. Just share what you know with no other agenda than to empower people to make their own choices, rather than trying to convince them to make the choice that you feel is best for them. .
David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com <http://WWW.David-Goldfield.Com>
On 1/5/2019 1:13 AM, Gene wrote:
In addition, another reason I express my opinion strongly when a question like this comes up is that so many people recommend Gold Wave. Audacity is a good program, Mp3 Direct Cut is a good program, Virtual Recorder is a good program but almost all the recommendations are for Gold Wave. If I did not strongly recommend something, it might be easier for someone to think, well, one person recommended Virtual Recorder and three-recommended Gold Wave. I guess Gold Wave is a better program. So the entire context must be considered.

Gene
From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 11:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

In your example, you are saying the person is already using Word for shopping lists. In this case, someone is asking for a program and they are saying that they followed the recommended settings and they did not work. At this point, all we know is that the person wants to record what they hear and maybe they want to use line-in.

I'm not helping anyone if I hedge my answer and don't make what I consider is the best recommendation for what the person says they want to do and if they already aren't familiar with a more sophisticated program. Anyone is free to disagree with me. However, if someone wants to use a more complex program later, learning this very simple program will not dissuade them. Indeed, as they get to see how convenient computer recording is, they may be more motivated.

You can posit all sorts of what if or maybe examples. That gets in the way of evaluating what someone knows, what they want to do now, and making a recommendation based on that.

I do not put any confidence in what the public schools are doing as models. They have none too good a record of accomplishment and they are trendy. Was not it almost only yesterday that every child had to have his or her own laptop? What is happening now? A revolt of the silicon Valley elite, many of whom have gone to the opposite extreme and won't let their children use computers or devices at all until they are much older than young children.

I invite anyone to disagree and recommend what they want but I also will express my opinion clearly if I have one because I strongly believe I'm not helping people properly if I don't.

Gene
From: David Goldfield <mailto:david.goldfield@...>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

Gene,
I think that it is important to respect a person's choice of software for what works well for them even if it is not a choice we would make for ourselves. In this case, Goldwave may well be the preferred piece of software for simple recording for some users. It might not necessarily be the first choice for that task we might think of recommending to someone but people use what works for them and we need to respect that. Someone might choose to use Microsoft Word to jot down and print their shopping list. We might feel that there are better options for that task. We might be tempted to recommend Jarte or even Notepad for what to us might seem like a simple task. However, if a user wants to use Word for that task then they have every right to do so and it is not for us to decide whether using Word for that purpose is the most appropriate choice for that user. Indeed, I could argue for that user by saying that the additional features of Word will always be available if or when they decide to branch out into more complex writing tasks. When that time comes they will already have learned the basics of Word and can therefore advance by learning how to use additional features in a program they already know on a basic level. If I choose to use Goldwave to read text into a microphone then that choice may work best for me. Perhaps I may discover other features contained within the program that I was not initially planning to use but which may cause me to be curious enough to experiment. I would personally prefer to learn about sound editing from one program rather than starting out with simple tasks on a more basic program and then learning a whole new piece of software when I want to try my hand with more advanced tasks. That approach may work well for many people and I think it is important to consider that. I have heard that in mainstream public schools they are teaching PowerPoint to fourth graders. They do not necessarily start out with a special program knowing that some kids might only use it for basic tasks. Kids are learning Office at a young age, starting out with basic tasks but working their way up to intermediate and advanced features. It is much more practical to learn all of these tasks on one program rather than forcing them to change over to another program later on. This is why many blind children start out with JAWS as their screen reader, rather than being taught NVDA and Narrator. You might start out by using JAWS to perform basic screen reading tasks. However, if a student finds that he needs more than the basics he can stay with the same screen reader and learn more as he needs to or wishes to.

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2FWWW.David-Goldfield.Com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12d394776da142bfd7d208d672d4f3d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636822656274398045&sdata=%2BcqT3NXPEKiEeW0n5wUuAxuFHf6jNkDv2c0AxIsmnN8%3D&reserved=0>
On 1/4/2019 11:31 AM, Gene wrote:
If you are saying that Gold Wave is the program of choice for simple recording and editing and that is all it will be used for, that is not the case. For people with more complex needs, Gold Wave may be a good choice. However, not for someone who just says, I want to do some recording. There are much more simple programs and in addition, regarding editing, Goldwave is definitely not the program to use to edit existing MP3 files. It recodes the files and causes a loss of quality. There is no one best recording program. It depends what you are going to use it for.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin <mailto:kleeva5@...>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

Goldwave is a fully functional demo allowing you to use all features. The only drawback if you do not register it is that every time you enter it you get the Goldwave introduction, no big deal!

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

From: Gene <mailto:gsasner@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

Goldwave is not free and there is no reason to use it for simple recording and editing. I will look at the program I am going to send tomorrow and make sure what the options are. The options may be all you need. Alternatively, you may need to learn to change sound card settings to record using a line-in input. However, just what do you want to record? Do you want to record from a physical radio or record a radio stream that is streaming online? What sorts of other things do you want to record?

Gene
From: Sam Bushman <mailto:libertyroundtable@...>
Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

What options do you have in Goldwave under the options, control properties, device tab?
Thanks,
Sam


----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:12 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Let us just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Alternatively, maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Top Gut Doctor Warns: "Throw Out This Vegetable Immediately"
unhealthpublications.com
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5c2edd115b38d5d104ca5st01duc <https://nam01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fthirdpartyoffers.juno.com%2FTGL3131%2F5c2edd115b38d5d104ca5st01duc&data=02%7C01%7C%7C12d394776da142bfd7d208d672d4f3d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636822656274398045&sdata=y%2Ftg3pI1GpXU2KyVPsQiWlouIKOn%2Ba6LhXLPAsHcY4g%3D&reserved=0>


Re: NVDA's weather plus

Brian's Mail list account
 

You get this a lot these days. Many companies are trying to moneyterise services and hence removing free ones in preparation. I've noticed it happening all over the web.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "hurrikennyandopo ..." <hurrikennyandopo@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 8:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA's weather plus


Hi


Just read the message by Joseph that the service it relies on is no longer and the author of the add on has been contacted to let him know. so looks like a wait until a new service is found.


Gene nz


On 5/01/2019 3:27 AM, Raha Tehrani wrote:

Dear all.
I'd like you to know about something. this morning, as I pressed
insert+w to check the weather it just said: "sorry! I cannot receive
data" my internet connection was ok. I think there is something wrong
with the addon.
take care





--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884 How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.




Re: NVDA after Windows 1809

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, all works here. NvDA is very smooth like chocolate. No really. It is a smooth experience and I have ben using windows 10 1809 for a few weeks now. Did you try restarting the computer? Restarting nvda? Closing out the 70 apps you have running (I had a student who had over 70 apps running in their alt tab order which is why I ask that).


Take care and hope that helps.
On 6 Jan 2019, at 13:58, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Hi,

I just updated Win10 to 1809 and now NVDA is stuttering and sputtering that I have to restart it every two or three minutes.

Anyone has observed this?  Any suggestion please?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal


Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

MAX <max@...>
 

Yes, that’s what it’s called.  I couldn’t think of it.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 12:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

Did you use 7zip to extract it to a folder let's say on your desktop. You never run exe files from zips, at least I don't.

On 5 Jan 2019, at 17:03, MAX wrote:

After I downloaded and ran the zip file I had the unzipping program on my screen.  I pressed the extract button.  That showed the virtual recorder.exe file.  When I ran it I got the recorder dialog on the screen but I could only use it once because after I closed everything I couldn’t find the exe file again.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

Since the link to the installed version came from the same site, this was, presumably, an installed version modified by Carlos.  I didn't recall there being one so whatever I may have said was regarding the version direct from the developer which evidently has accessibility problems.

 

As far as portable programs are concerned, I don't know why you had problems with the portable program but I prefer to use portable versions of programs when available.  Did you unzip the program before using it?  For those trying this or other portable programs who haven't used them before, if they come as a zip file, you must unzip the program before using it. 

 

I generally prefer to use portable programs if available.  For one thing, they are portable.  I can simply copy the folder onto a thumb drive and place a copy onto another computer if I want to use it there.  No changes are made to the system.  I always use portable versions of firefox because if the copy I'm using becomes corrupted, I can keep a backup copy of the program and simply replace the corrupted program with a copy of the backup program.  I don't have to worry about maintenance or creating a new profile or anything else.  And, as I said, I can copy it to another computer when I wish.

 

In this case, there may be one or more available features in the installed version so someone might wat to use the installed version.  I don't know what those features might be and they aren't important to me because the portable version does everything I want.  I suspect that if there are more available features they would be something minor such as being able to specify where files are saved.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 1:11 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

Now that’s more like it.  It was the usual install experience with location, start menu, and desk top icon.  You scared me off from the installed version with all that talk about bugs.  I did a little recording and I could find the files and play them back.  Ten minutes after two and all is well.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

I sent two links yesterday, one for each version.  Here is the message I sent last night:

 

Gene


Here is a link to the portable version of the program which is still available from the site where Carlos hosted useful resources.  The vollunteer who hosted the programs for Carlos is still doing so.
http://opopanax.net/download/Virtual_Recorder_Portable.zip
Presumably, this is the latest version.

 

There is an installable version, also, I assume, modified by Carlos.  I don't know if the installable version does anything the portable version doesn't do.  Perhaps it allows you to specify where you want files saved. 

 

Also, because of the problems a user reported with the installed version, presumably from the developer's site, it may be that some people have problems with the installed version that won't with the portable. version

 

Here is the link for the installable version from the same site:
http://opopanax.net/download/Setup_VirtualRecorder.exe

 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: MAX

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 11:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

How do I, or anyone for that matter, tell the difference between the install and the noninstall versions.  I get it.  The noninstall version just copies the files but doesn't register the program with windows.  That must have been the one I downloaded.  I have dumped the message with the URL so will someone please send me a good URL?


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 4:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Hi
Are you sure you ran the install version?  There is a non-install version as well which I gave up on because Windows Defender kept moving it into quarantine.  Under W10, I downloaded and installed the install version and have been using it without problems.  The installed version definitely shows up in the list of installed programs, and creates a desktop item.  You are better using the install version anyway as some of the features cannot be used in the non-install version.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of MAX
Sent: 4 January 2019 21:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Well, I'll bet lots of others are having the same problem but nobody wants to be the first.  OK, I'll be that person.  The virtual recorder install program didn't create an entry in the start menu or a desk top icon or an icon in the applications bar as mentioned in the readme file.  I tried to start it with the command line but that has been changed and I don't know how to access it anymore.  When I had it running after the installation I made a test recording but the directory where it said it put the recording doesn't show up in windows explorer.  Maybe I should forget it and find another program.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 3:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Yes but virtual recorder does not involve fiddling with sound card settings and is free so you can use the editor of choice.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.


> Goldwave would be your best bet. In its microphone section it has a
> loopback feature that will allow you to point it to your sound card
> and record from it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue J. Ward" <groovy41@...>
> To: "nvda groups" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:11 PM
> Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic
> plugged in sure could use some help.
>
>
>>  Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works
>> with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a
>> lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have
>> tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user
>> guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets
>> just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my
>> computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of
>> total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do
>> have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section
>> and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used
>> sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work
>> with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or
>> maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Top Gut Doctor Warns: "Throw Out This Vegetable Immediately"
>> unhealthpublications.com
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5c2edd115b38d5d104ca5st01duc
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>










Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Sarah k Alawami
 

No adds here. All works well. I would scan your system for spyware and malware. I'ma also signed into chrome and still don't see any adds.

On 6 Jan 2019, at 8:38, MAX wrote:

So are you saying that these ads at the end of Sue’s messages are not appearing to you?  It makes a big difference to me whether they are being attached by Sue’s email provider or they are being attached by my computer as they arrive in my inbox.  Please be clear.  I’d like to hear from Sue on this.  Do you see ads at the end of your messages when they return to you through the list.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 7:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

It sounds suspiciously to me as though you have AdWare on your machine which is causing popups to appear when they shouldn't be.  do popups keep coming up as you browse?  do they come up when you are not browsing as well, when the browser is closed? 

 

It appears the advertising in the message you are discussing comes from Juno.com.  I didn't know they were still around but I just looked up the site and it is.  These appear to be commercials Juno is placing in the e-mail from third party advertisers. 

 

I doubt that you being signed into Chrome would cause such popups.  I never signed into Chrome so I doubt it but I don't know it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 7:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

Did anyone else see that tag on Sue's message?  It began quote, One Cup of This (Before Bed), end quote.  That's the same as one of the popups I was getting with google chrome.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 3:29 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Hello. Everyone. Thanks for your help and the Dropbox download. Do you know what is the official website for the virtual recorder program? Well I did finally figured it out based on playing with audacity for a half hour. I do have everything set correctly and if I want to hear what I have recorded through the computer I have to unplug everything from the sound card since my desktop PC does have an internal speaker. I did turn it down so it is not too loud so I can hear what I am recording and don't have to bother other people after I am done I do play it back it sounds great. I am going to get a second computer and see how that goes since on that one am going to put games on that machine and maybe some audio editing software. I think whatever works for the certain person depending what they want to do there are a lot of options out there. So just thought I would give an update.
____________________________________________________________
One Cup of This (Before Bed) Burns Belly Fat Like Crazy Celebrity Local http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5c3121891b19221886d99st03duc





Re: NVDA on RCA tablet and the desktop

Sarah k Alawami
 

Go into the action centerI think, and turn off tablet mode. Actually you could also seach commadn I and turn it off that way. I had that issue last year so dunno how I shut it off. I never wrote down the instructions.

On 5 Jan 2019, at 18:54, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi,

I got NVDA set up on my new tablet. My RCA cambio with intel atom z8350 processor. But on the desktop NVDA keeps showing everything as checkboxes. When I arrow around even in file explorer nvda says

Desktop list view recycle bin checkbox selected two of five. What is going on, how do I turn this off?

 

Thanks,

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Sarah k Alawami
 

Did you use 7zip to extract it to a folder let's say on your desktop. You never run exe files from zips, at least I don't.

On 5 Jan 2019, at 17:03, MAX wrote:

After I downloaded and ran the zip file I had the unzipping program on my screen.  I pressed the extract button.  That showed the virtual recorder.exe file.  When I ran it I got the recorder dialog on the screen but I could only use it once because after I closed everything I couldn’t find the exe file again.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

Since the link to the installed version came from the same site, this was, presumably, an installed version modified by Carlos.  I didn't recall there being one so whatever I may have said was regarding the version direct from the developer which evidently has accessibility problems.

 

As far as portable programs are concerned, I don't know why you had problems with the portable program but I prefer to use portable versions of programs when available.  Did you unzip the program before using it?  For those trying this or other portable programs who haven't used them before, if they come as a zip file, you must unzip the program before using it. 

 

I generally prefer to use portable programs if available.  For one thing, they are portable.  I can simply copy the folder onto a thumb drive and place a copy onto another computer if I want to use it there.  No changes are made to the system.  I always use portable versions of firefox because if the copy I'm using becomes corrupted, I can keep a backup copy of the program and simply replace the corrupted program with a copy of the backup program.  I don't have to worry about maintenance or creating a new profile or anything else.  And, as I said, I can copy it to another computer when I wish.

 

In this case, there may be one or more available features in the installed version so someone might wat to use the installed version.  I don't know what those features might be and they aren't important to me because the portable version does everything I want.  I suspect that if there are more available features they would be something minor such as being able to specify where files are saved.

 

Gene

----- Original message -----

From: MAX

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 1:11 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

Now that’s more like it.  It was the usual install experience with location, start menu, and desk top icon.  You scared me off from the installed version with all that talk about bugs.  I did a little recording and I could find the files and play them back.  Ten minutes after two and all is well.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 11:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

I sent two links yesterday, one for each version.  Here is the message I sent last night:

 

Gene


Here is a link to the portable version of the program which is still available from the site where Carlos hosted useful resources.  The vollunteer who hosted the programs for Carlos is still doing so.
http://opopanax.net/download/Virtual_Recorder_Portable.zip
Presumably, this is the latest version.

 

There is an installable version, also, I assume, modified by Carlos.  I don't know if the installable version does anything the portable version doesn't do.  Perhaps it allows you to specify where you want files saved. 

 

Also, because of the problems a user reported with the installed version, presumably from the developer's site, it may be that some people have problems with the installed version that won't with the portable. version

 

Here is the link for the installable version from the same site:
http://opopanax.net/download/Setup_VirtualRecorder.exe

 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: MAX

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 11:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

How do I, or anyone for that matter, tell the difference between the install and the noninstall versions.  I get it.  The noninstall version just copies the files but doesn't register the program with windows.  That must have been the one I downloaded.  I have dumped the message with the URL so will someone please send me a good URL?


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 4:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Hi
Are you sure you ran the install version?  There is a non-install version as well which I gave up on because Windows Defender kept moving it into quarantine.  Under W10, I downloaded and installed the install version and have been using it without problems.  The installed version definitely shows up in the list of installed programs, and creates a desktop item.  You are better using the install version anyway as some of the features cannot be used in the non-install version.

Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of MAX
Sent: 4 January 2019 21:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Well, I'll bet lots of others are having the same problem but nobody wants to be the first.  OK, I'll be that person.  The virtual recorder install program didn't create an entry in the start menu or a desk top icon or an icon in the applications bar as mentioned in the readme file.  I tried to start it with the command line but that has been changed and I don't know how to access it anymore.  When I had it running after the installation I made a test recording but the directory where it said it put the recording doesn't show up in windows explorer.  Maybe I should forget it and find another program.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 3:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Yes but virtual recorder does not involve fiddling with sound card settings and is free so you can use the editor of choice.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:27 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.


> Goldwave would be your best bet. In its microphone section it has a
> loopback feature that will allow you to point it to your sound card
> and record from it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Sue J. Ward" <groovy41@...>
> To: "nvda groups" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:11 PM
> Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic
> plugged in sure could use some help.
>
>
>>  Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works
>> with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a
>> lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have
>> tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user
>> guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets
>> just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my
>> computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of
>> total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do
>> have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section
>> and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used
>> sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work
>> with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or
>> maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Top Gut Doctor Warns: "Throw Out This Vegetable Immediately"
>> unhealthpublications.com
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5c2edd115b38d5d104ca5st01duc
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>











Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.

Sarah k Alawami
 

I was going to recommend reaper as well. It is, at least on mac, a bit harder to use but usable. In fact I replaced my work flow in the studio with reaper and it is really good, especially for editing video.

Take care

On 5 Jan 2019, at 0:34, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

Well we could recommend Reaper, but if like me you have simple needs and do not need to understand a whole new set of terms and ways of working its not worth buying it.
On the other hand I have had consistent results with Goldwave and have paid for it, and I'm happy. Audacity, being a bit more complex to use can do good work, but I like the configurable nature of the effects on Goldwave.

Its really up to anyone who wants to edit and record to try them all and see what floats their boat. Certainly Goldwave can be run in demo mode.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 6:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.


Also, another reason I express my opinion strongly when a question like this comes up is because so many people recommend Gold Wave. Audacity is a good program, Mp3 Direct Cut is a good program, Virtual Recorder is a good program but almost all the recommendations are for Gold Wave. If I didn't strongly recommend something, it might be easier for someone to think, well, one person recommended Virtual Recorder and three recommended Gold Wave. I guess Gold Wave is a better program. So the entire context must be considered.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 11:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.


In your example, you are saying the person is already using Word for shopping lists. In this case, someone is asking for a program and they are saying that they followed the recommended settings and they didn't work. At this point, all we know is that the person wants to record what they hear and maybe they want to use line-in.

I'm not helping anyone if I hedge my answer and don't make what I consider is the best recommendation for what the person says they want to do and if they already aren't familiar with a more sophisticated program. Anyone is free to disagree with me. but if someone wants to use a more complex program later, learning this very simple program won't dissuade them. Indeed, as they get to see how convenient computer recording is, they may be more motivated.

You can posit all sorts of what if or maybe examples. That gets in the way of evaluating what someone knows, what they want to do now, and making a recommendation based on that.

I don't put any confidence in what the public schools are doing as models. They have none too good a track record and they are trendy. Wasn't it almost only yesterday that every child had to have his or her own laptop? What's happening now? A revolt of the silicon Vally elite, many of whom have gone to the opposite extreme and won't let their children use computers or devices at all until they are much older than young children.

I invite anyone to disagree and recommend what they want but I also will express my opinion clearly if I have one because I strongly believe I'm not helping people properly if I don't.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: David Goldfield
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.


Gene,

I think that it's important to respect a person's choice of software for what works well for them even if it's not a choice we would make for ourselves. In this case, Goldwave may well be the preferred piece of software for simple recording for some users. It might not necessarily be the first choice for that task we might think of recommending to someone but people use what works for them and we need to respect that. Someone might choose to use Microsoft Word to jot down and print their shopping list. We might feel that there are better options for that task. We might be tempted to recommend Jarte or even Notepad for what to us might seem like a simple task. However, if a user wants to use Word for that task then they have every right to do so and it's not for us to decide whether using Word for that purpose is the most appropriate choice for that user. Indeed, I could argue for that user by saying that the additional features of Word will always be available if or when they decide to branch out into more complex writing tasks. When that time comes they will already have learned the basics of Word and can therefore advance by learning how to use additional features in a program they already know on a basic level. If I choose to use Goldwave to read text into a microphone then that choice may work best for me. Perhaps I may discover other features contained within the program that I wasn't initially planning to use but which may cause me to be curious enough to experiment. I would personally prefer to learn about sound editing from one program rather than starting out with simple tasks on a more basic program and then learning a whole new piece of software when I want to try my hand with more advanced tasks. That approach may work well for many people and I think it's important to consider that. I've heard that in mainstream public schools they're teaching Powerpoint to fourth graders. They don't necessarily start out with a special program knowing that some kids might only use it for basic tasks. Kids are learning Office at a young age, starting out with basic tasks but working their way up to intermediate and advanced features. It's much more practical to learn all of these tasks on one program rather than forcing them to change over to another program later on. This is why many blind children start out with JAWS as their screen reader, rather than being taught NVDA and Narrator. You might start out by using JAWS to perform basic screen reading tasks. However, if a student finds that he needs more than the basics he can stay with the same screen reader and learn more as he needs to or wishes to.





David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com
On 1/4/2019 11:31 AM, Gene wrote:

If you are saying that Gold Wave is the program of choice for simple recording and editing and that's all it will be used for, that isn't the case. For people with more complex needs, Gold Wave may be a good choice. But not for someone who just says, I want to do some recording. There are much more simple programs and in addition, regarding editing, Goldwave is definitely not the program to use to edit existing MP3 files. It reencodes the files and causes a loss of quality. There is no one best recording program. It depends what you are going to use it for.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.


GoldWave is a fully functional demo allowing you to use all features. The only draw back if you don’t register it is that every time you enter it you get the GoldWave introduction, no big deal!



E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee



From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic pluggedin sure could use some help.



Goldwave isn't free and there is no reason to use it for simple recording and editing. I'll look at the program I'm going to send tomorrow and make sure what the options are. The options may be all you need. Or, you may need to learn to change sound card settings to record using a line-in input. But just what do you want to record? Do you want to record from a physical radio or record a radio stream that is streaming online? What sorts of other things do you want to record?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Sam Bushman

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:16 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.



What options do you have in goldwave under the options, control properties, device tab?
Thanks,
Sam


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:12 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Lets just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Or maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Top Gut Doctor Warns: "Throw Out This Vegetable Immediately"
unhealthpublications.com
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5c2edd115b38d5d104ca5st01duc














Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Gene
 

These days, it would probably be easier to use Windows search, not the start menu search, but windows search.  There are useful things you can do in DOS that you can't do in Windows without a third party utility but searching for a file or folder isn't one of them.  You don't have to know the entire file or foldername, you don't have to use quotation marks when searching for names with spaces, and when you find the item in the search results, you can open it by pressing enter on it or run it by pressing enter. 
 
I don't use Windows 10 so I'm not sure if this procedure applies but I suspect it does or mostly does.
Be in the folder or subfolder you want to search.
If you want to search the entire c drive, be in the c drive.  if you have a folder you want to search named audio, be in that folder.  The folder you are in will be searched along with any subfolders in that folder.  So if you are in the c drive, all the folders and subfolders on the drive will be searched along with any files in the main location.
 
Once you are where you want to be, use the command control e. 
Type what you ar looking for or part of it.  The search begins automatically, you don't have to press enter.
Tab until you get to a list.  You may have to read the current line to see what the first item is, or down arrow and up arrow once.  I'm not sure.  you can experiment.
The list will grow longer if more results are found.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Thank you.

I'm no longer losing sleep over virtual recorder but the command line hints you have given are so potentially useful that I'm going to save this message.  These commands date all the way back to the original Microsoft D O S.  I didn't know MS was still supporting them.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Dear Max & List:

It could be you created the recorder folder inside another folder.
Try finding it by doing this:

Press windows key to get the search box. Type cmd: windows will say command prompt. Press enter.
Type cd c:\
Type dir and either the folder name or the recorder program name followed by /s

Press enter.

Example:
Dir virtual-recorder/s followed by enter.

This will search your entire hard drive for the elusive folder.

If found, it gives the path to the folder.

If windows will not execute the program by just using the program name, you can run it by providing the complete path to the program.

When you run the program, see if the setup for it will let you provide a desktop ikon for it to make running it again easier.

When finished with the command prompt, either type exit with the enter key or close the window with alt plus f4.

Windows knows many command-line commands such as dir, cd, Del, rd, xcopy, type and attrib; I have used these commands to quickly save my bacon a few times!

Happy program hunting. If there is no trace of the program on your drive, just install it again!
Brian K. Lingard

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Chris Mullins
Sent: January 5, 2019 5:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Hi
Are you sure you ran the install version?  There is a non-install version as well which I gave up on because Windows Defender kept moving it into quarantine.  Under W10, I downloaded and installed the install version and have been using it without problems.  The installed version definitely shows up in the list of installed programs, and creates a desktop item.  You are better using the install version anyway as some of the features cannot be used in the non-install version.

Cheers
Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of MAX
Sent: 4 January 2019 21:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Well, I will bet lots of others are having the same problem but nobody wants to be the first.  OK, I will be that person.  The virtual recorder install program did not create an entry in the start menu or a desktop icon or an icon in the applications bar as mentioned in the readme file.  I tried to start it with the command line but that has been changed and I do not know how to access it anymore.  When I had it running after the installation I made a test recording but the directory where it said it put the recording does not show up in windows explorer.  Maybe I should forget it and find another program.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I have Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 3:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Yes but virtual recorder does not involve fiddling with sound card settings and is free so you can use the editor of choice.
 Brian







Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

MAX <max@...>
 

Thank you.

I'm no longer losing sleep over virtual recorder but the command line hints you have given are so potentially useful that I'm going to save this message. These commands date all the way back to the original Microsoft D O S. I didn't know MS was still supporting them.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 9:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Dear Max & List:

It could be you created the recorder folder inside another folder.
Try finding it by doing this:

Press windows key to get the search box. Type cmd: windows will say command prompt. Press enter.
Type cd c:\
Type dir and either the folder name or the recorder program name followed by /s

Press enter.

Example:
Dir virtual-recorder/s followed by enter.

This will search your entire hard drive for the elusive folder.

If found, it gives the path to the folder.

If windows will not execute the program by just using the program name, you can run it by providing the complete path to the program.

When you run the program, see if the setup for it will let you provide a desktop ikon for it to make running it again easier.

When finished with the command prompt, either type exit with the enter key or close the window with alt plus f4.

Windows knows many command-line commands such as dir, cd, Del, rd, xcopy, type and attrib; I have used these commands to quickly save my bacon a few times!

Happy program hunting. If there is no trace of the program on your drive, just install it again!
Brian K. Lingard

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Chris Mullins
Sent: January 5, 2019 5:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Hi
Are you sure you ran the install version? There is a non-install version as well which I gave up on because Windows Defender kept moving it into quarantine. Under W10, I downloaded and installed the install version and have been using it without problems. The installed version definitely shows up in the list of installed programs, and creates a desktop item. You are better using the install version anyway as some of the features cannot be used in the non-install version.

Cheers
Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of MAX
Sent: 4 January 2019 21:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Well, I will bet lots of others are having the same problem but nobody wants to be the first. OK, I will be that person. The virtual recorder install program did not create an entry in the start menu or a desktop icon or an icon in the applications bar as mentioned in the readme file. I tried to start it with the command line but that has been changed and I do not know how to access it anymore. When I had it running after the installation I made a test recording but the directory where it said it put the recording does not show up in windows explorer. Maybe I should forget it and find another program.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I have Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 3:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Yes but virtual recorder does not involve fiddling with sound card settings and is free so you can use the editor of choice.
Brian


Re: Skype: how to delete dead groups

Brian K. Lingard
 

Well if you still receive mail from the almost abandoned groups, they must still exist, presume by you can leave them using their unsubscribe command.

 

Note that some Mailman, managed lists use the command leave in the subject field instead of unsubscribe when writing to the list request address.

 

If you receive no mail from the abandoned lists, then you can forget about them. If you receive monthly reminders, then they still rather exist.

If you still have difficulty, write to the Postmaster or Root at the domain concerned.

Brian K. Lingard

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Brian Tew via Groups.Io
Sent: January 5, 2019 3:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Skype: how to delete dead groups

 

Well it will not let me join or even select these dead groups, so I cannot /leave them.
Good thing this is not a serious problem.

_._,_._,


Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Gene & List:

 

Yes, Goldwave is a full-featured audio editor & recording program, the registration fee is reasonable at US $50 for life with free upgrades and a variety of add-ins and add-ons.

 

If Virtual Recorder meets people’s needs, great, go for it.

 

Another r4ecording program is Total Recorder, more expensive to register, has nice add-ons which are paid for/. Has a multitrack & video editor, not sure how useful it is with JAWS, NVDA or Narrator.

 

Again, for a simple editor, Notepad is good to start with, followed by WordPad when the person wants to use different fonts, italic, underline, bold etc. Then when they want full-blown Word, they have an idea as to what fonts, print attributes etc. are.

 

Some people may learn WordPad & Notepad in a morning; others may take a few weeks to master these editors.

 

However, starting with a simple program and graduating to Word or Word Perfect makes much sense.

Brian K. Lingard

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 5, 2019 7:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

 

I do not overemphasize or alter facts.  However, if three people recommend Goldwave, I may say something like; Goldwave is not a good or is not the best program for what you want to do in response to two or three recommendations of Goldwave.  Intended or not, I think that if three people recommend one program and one person recommends another, many people may decide to try the program that gets three recommendations.  So without changing facts I may make a statement like to do what you want to do, Goldwave is not the best choice, or to do what you want to do, I strongly believe Goldwave is not the best choice and explain why. 

 

You talk about dogmatic statements.  I did not just make a statement you characterize as dogmatic.  I gave very specific reasons to support my statement.  Others are free to disagree. 

 

In the case of the woman who used Excel, that is an entirely different matter.  She does what she wants and she has been doing it a long time.  I do not go around telling people what I recommend if I have not been asked.  However, this is different.  Someone said, I want a program that does exactly this and that.  I tried another program and I could not get it to do it.  Three people recommended a complex program you pay for.  I recommended the program I think is best for the specified purpose. 

 

I could have given considerable information discussing other programs and why I think virtual Recorder is the best choice.  I indicated, without going into a lot of detail, why I think virtual Recorder is the best choice for the needs stated.  If you go into too much detail, it may be counterproductive.  The amount may differ depending on how much the person knows and how the program is intended to be used.

 

In addition, instructors make choices all the time.  When someone is learning how to use a computer and does not know various programs, as an instructor, the instructor does not explain why to use or not to use three word processors and ask the student to choose which to learn.  The instructor does not ask the person to decide between Windows 8 and Windows 10.  If the instructor knows the person wants to use Word, then, of course, the instructor should teach Word, but not necessarily as the first program.  It might make more sense to start with WordPad.  I would think, and I don't know this because I haven't used Word in recent versions, but I would think that when teaching ribbons, it is much better to start in WordPad, where the ribbons are simple than to start in a complex program like Word where the ribbons are very large and complex.  It is the concept, not the complexity at first. 

 

You say you wish I were not so strong in my opinions.  I do not know what other instances you have in mind.  I do not just state opinions, I give reasons for them.  I do not just say something like this is not the best program for someone who is just learning. In addition, not elaborate.  So my dogmatic statements, which I do not think usually are, are supported with reasons and others are free to counter them.  In addition, consider that other things can have the effect of a dogmatic statement as well.  If three people recommend Goldwave, that can have the effect of a dogmatic statement.  Three people recommended this program.  I guess I will try it because it is probably good.  I am not saying Goldwave is not a good program. However, three recommendations for one program and one for another may create a form of majority rules bias when someone is making up their mind. 

 

If you or others want to point out instances where you think I should state things differently, that is fine.  I do not mind discussing such things.  I am not saying I will agree but I am willing to discuss them. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: David Goldfield

Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 12:39 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

 

Gene,

Why do you have to express your opinion strongly to ensure that your point has been properly made? Do not get me wrong: I have strong opinions about lots of things from software to politics to morality. If someone asks for a recommendation and if I think that I have something to contribute to the discussion then I put my recommendation out on the table. This is what I like, this is why I like it, here where you can acquire it and that is all that I need to say about it. I do not feel the need to compete with other recommendations to ensure that my particular one is somehow considered above the others or so that my recommendation somehow stands out enough to shift someone's opinion. That would actually make my recommendations and responses even more biased and I would not fully trust someone who did that. I want to be regarded as a trustworthy resource and not as someone who tries to shift someone's opinion from others, which have been expressed. What I care about is giving people options. I actually do not care if an option other than the one that I present is the one that someone might consider. I just do not care. If I know of several options, I put them out there and state the pros and cons of each. It does not matter to me whether a reader chooses it or rejects it. Lists such as this one are forums where we can share what we know to empower others. I am not interested in making dogmatic statements where I tell someone why they should not use a particular piece of software. I want to know what you know. I am not interested in knowing why you feel that I should not be using a piece of software because it offers more features than what I am using. At one point one of my relatives was using Excel for everything. Not only would she use it for its primary purpose for creating and editing spreadsheets but also she would use it to compose documents. She would enlarge one cell and write documents within that cell. Honestly, my wife and I did think it was a bit crazy and I admit I used to snicker and wonder why she insisted on doing it. Admittedly, when I used to do assistive technology training I would have never trained any of my students to do serious word processing in Excel. That is what Microsoft Word was for. However, this relative was set in her ways and somehow got used to using Excel for word processing even though I am 99 percent sure that Word was installed on that computer. Hey, it was crazy and not something, I would ever encourage for serious writing. However, for her it worked and she was just writing simple documents at home. If I told her that she should use Word, she likely would not have listened. It was what she knew and that was how she intended to write her documents. You would not catch me writing documents in Excel but my point is that somehow she got used to it and, for her, it worked. She was happy and worked very efficiently doing it this way. She also was not my student and so I had to accept it. I honestly wish you were not so strong with your opinions. Just share what you know with no other agenda than to empower people to make their own choices, rather than trying to convince them to make the choice that you feel is best for them.  .

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 1/5/2019 1:13 AM, Gene wrote:

In addition, another reason I express my opinion strongly when a question like this comes up is that so many people recommend Gold Wave.  Audacity is a good program, Mp3 Direct Cut is a good program, Virtual Recorder is a good program but almost all the recommendations are for Gold Wave.  If I did not strongly recommend something, it might be easier for someone to think, well, one person recommended Virtual Recorder and three-recommended Gold Wave.  I guess Gold Wave is a better program.  So the entire context must be considered. 

 

Gene

From: Gene

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 11:48 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

 

In your example, you are saying the person is already using Word for shopping lists.  In this case, someone is asking for a program and they are saying that they followed the recommended settings and they did not work.  At this point, all we know is that the person wants to record what they hear and maybe they want to use line-in. 

 

I'm not helping anyone if I hedge my answer and don't make what I consider is the best recommendation for what the person says they want to do and if they already aren't familiar with a more sophisticated program.  Anyone is free to disagree with me.  However, if someone wants to use a more complex program later, learning this very simple program will not dissuade them.  Indeed, as they get to see how convenient computer recording is, they may be more motivated. 

 

You can posit all sorts of what if or maybe examples.  That gets in the way of evaluating what someone knows, what they want to do now, and making a recommendation based on that. 

 

I do not put any confidence in what the public schools are doing as models.  They have none too good a record of accomplishment and they are trendy.  Was not it almost only yesterday that every child had to have his or her own laptop?  What is happening now?  A revolt of the silicon Valley elite, many of whom have gone to the opposite extreme and won't let their children use computers or devices at all until they are much older than young children. 

 

I invite anyone to disagree and recommend what they want but I also will express my opinion clearly if I have one because I strongly believe I'm not helping people properly if I don't.

 

Gene

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 10:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

 

Gene,

I think that it is important to respect a person's choice of software for what works well for them even if it is not a choice we would make for ourselves. In this case, Goldwave may well be the preferred piece of software for simple recording for some users. It might not necessarily be the first choice for that task we might think of recommending to someone but people use what works for them and we need to respect that. Someone might choose to use Microsoft Word to jot down and print their shopping list. We might feel that there are better options for that task. We might be tempted to recommend Jarte or even Notepad for what to us might seem like a simple task. However, if a user wants to use Word for that task then they have every right to do so and it is not for us to decide whether using Word for that purpose is the most appropriate choice for that user. Indeed, I could argue for that user by saying that the additional features of Word will always be available if or when they decide to branch out into more complex writing tasks. When that time comes they will already have learned the basics of Word and can therefore advance by learning how to use additional features in a program they already know on a basic level. If I choose to use Goldwave to read text into a microphone then that choice may work best for me. Perhaps I may discover other features contained within the program that I was not initially planning to use but which may cause me to be curious enough to experiment. I would personally prefer to learn about sound editing from one program rather than starting out with simple tasks on a more basic program and then learning a whole new piece of software when I want to try my hand with more advanced tasks. That approach may work well for many people and I think it is important to consider that. I have heard that in mainstream public schools they are teaching PowerPoint to fourth graders. They do not necessarily start out with a special program knowing that some kids might only use it for basic tasks. Kids are learning Office at a young age, starting out with basic tasks but working their way up to intermediate and advanced features. It is much more practical to learn all of these tasks on one program rather than forcing them to change over to another program later on. This is why many blind children start out with JAWS as their screen reader, rather than being taught NVDA and Narrator. You might start out by using JAWS to perform basic screen reading tasks. However, if a student finds that he needs more than the basics he can stay with the same screen reader and learn more as he needs to or wishes to.

 

David Goldfield, Assistive Technology Specialist WWW.David-Goldfield.Com

On 1/4/2019 11:31 AM, Gene wrote:

If you are saying that Gold Wave is the program of choice for simple recording and editing and that is all it will be used for, that is not the case.  For people with more complex needs, Gold Wave may be a good choice.  However, not for someone who just says, I want to do some recording.  There are much more simple programs and in addition, regarding editing, Goldwave is definitely not the program to use to edit existing MP3 files.  It recodes the files and causes a loss of quality.  There is no one best recording program.  It depends what you are going to use it for. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Kevin

Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 6:43 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

 

Goldwave is a fully functional demo allowing you to use all features.  The only drawback if you do not register it is that every time you enter it you get the Goldwave introduction, no big deal!

 

E-mail is golden!!!
Kevin Lee

 

From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 8:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged-in sure could use some help.

 

Goldwave is not free and there is no reason to use it for simple recording and editing.  I will look at the program I am going to send tomorrow and make sure what the options are.  The options may be all you need.  Alternatively, you may need to learn to change sound card settings to record using a line-in input.  However, just what do you want to record?  Do you want to record from a physical radio or record a radio stream that is streaming online?  What sorts of other things do you want to record?

 

Gene

Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2019 10:16 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

 

What options do you have in Goldwave under the options, control properties, device tab?
Thanks,
Sam
 

----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf of Sue J. Ward
Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2019 9:12 PM
To: nvda groups <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

  Hello. Does anyone know of any audio recording software that works with NVDA with no mic attached to the computer? I want to record a lot of internal stuff from my computer with no mic attached. I have tried audacity with everything they suggested when reading the user guide to make it work no such luck since am using windows 10. Let us just say if I want to record a radio station or anything from my computer what type of program could I use with NVDA? I have heard of total recorder and gold wave would those programs work since I do have everything up to date and I did check in the recording section and I have no stereo mics on my sound card. Have any of you used sound tap or any apps with in the app store to get anything to work with NVDA? I have tried everything with the line in jack nothing. Alternatively, maybe I am not setting it up right. Any suggestions would be excellent. Thank you.
____________________________________________________________
Top Gut Doctor Warns: "Throw Out This Vegetable Immediately"
unhealthpublications.com
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3131/5c2edd115b38d5d104ca5st01duc



Re: how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Max & List:

It could be you created the recorder folder inside another folder.
Try finding it by doing this:

Press windows key to get the search box. Type cmd: windows will say command prompt. Press enter.
Type cd c:\
Type dir and either the folder name or the recorder program name followed by /s

Press enter.

Example:
Dir virtual-recorder/s followed by enter.

This will search your entire hard drive for the elusive folder.

If found, it gives the path to the folder.

If windows will not execute the program by just using the program name, you can run it by providing the complete path to the program.

When you run the program, see if the setup for it will let you provide a desktop ikon for it to make running it again easier.

When finished with the command prompt, either type exit with the enter key or close the window with alt plus f4.

Windows knows many command-line commands such as dir, cd, Del, rd, xcopy, type and attrib; I have used these commands to quickly save my bacon a few times!

Happy program hunting. If there is no trace of the program on your drive, just install it again!
Brian K. Lingard

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Chris Mullins
Sent: January 5, 2019 5:43 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Hi
Are you sure you ran the install version? There is a non-install version as well which I gave up on because Windows Defender kept moving it into quarantine. Under W10, I downloaded and installed the install version and have been using it without problems. The installed version definitely shows up in the list of installed programs, and creates a desktop item. You are better using the install version anyway as some of the features cannot be used in the non-install version.

Cheers
Chris
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of MAX
Sent: 4 January 2019 21:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Well, I will bet lots of others are having the same problem but nobody wants to be the first. OK, I will be that person. The virtual recorder install program did not create an entry in the start menu or a desktop icon or an icon in the applications bar as mentioned in the readme file. I tried to start it with the command line but that has been changed and I do not know how to access it anymore. When I had it running after the installation I made a test recording but the directory where it said it put the recording does not show up in windows explorer. Maybe I should forget it and find another program.


73 (Regards).

Max K 4 O D S.

I have Never Lost the Wonder.

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2019 3:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how to record audio from the computer with no mic plugged in sure could use some help.

Yes but virtual recorder does not involve fiddling with sound card settings and is free so you can use the editor of choice.
Brian


Re: word skipping pages

Giles Turnbull
 

I struggled with this for a long time until somebody suggested changing to Draft view, and that does indeed work a treat. I haven't found a way to get Word to open all documents in Draft view by default, but that is my first action when opening a document ... I go into the View ribbon and change to Draft view.

Hope that helps :)

Giles


Re: Spacebar Activates a Link While in Browse Mode

Felix G.
 

Hello Brian,
my educated guess is that it's there to make the space bar select
radio buttons or toggle check boxes. Doing the default action on
something would be the natural generalization, and in the case of a
link, this amounts to following.
In terms of programming, we're not doing a case analysis over type of
object, but we tell the object to activate, and it knows how to handle
this. The space bar is a polymorphic method call.
Best,
Felix

Am Mo., 7. Jan. 2019 um 08:20 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
via Groups.Io <bglists@...>:


Yes all agreed but that does not actually answer why its there in the first
place. I guess nobody knows!
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spacebar Activates a Link While in Browse Mode


There may be a technical reason but enter is the documented command for both
screen-readers. If you use undocumented commands they may or may not work
as expected in different situations. It's an interesting technical question
why using space works but it isn't a good idea to use space instead of enter
for following links. Another reason for this is that enter is the command
to follow a link when in forms mode. If you get in the habit of using space
in browse mode, which doesn't work in forms mode, you may forget and have
problems. At times, in order to successfully follow a link, you have to
switch to forms mode and then follow it. It's better to use the one command
intended for both uses.

Also, if people use the links list, space doesn't follow the link.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 7:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spacebar Activates a Link While in Browse Mode


For comparison, I fired up Jaws 2018 and it too activates certain links with
the space bar as well as enter, so I see this as a commonplace thing. Say
what you will about Jaws, it is supposedly the standard for corporate and
people in work, and if it also has this action then it has to be for a
reason.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Spacebar Activates a Link While in Browse Mode


I don't know why the space bar activates links, nor do I know if it does in
all cases. It isn't the documented command so you can't be sure it will
work in all intended cases.

When you are in forms mode, you are interacting directly with the browser.
Any commands you give will do what they would do if no screen-reader were
present. When you are in browse mode, you are interacting with your
screen-reader and commands are routed through the screen-reader.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: bestuiexperience
Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2019 10:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Spacebar Activates a Link While in Browse Mode


Hello, I noticed that while in "browse" mode while focus is on a link, if I
press the space bar, instead of the page scrolling down (as usually occurs
when the space bar is pressed on a web page), the link is activated as it
would be had I pressed the Enter key. This does not happen when I am in
"forms" mode. Does anyone know why this occurs?













Re: Norwegian 8 dot braille table used by nvda

Lars Bjørndal <lars@...>
 

Hi, Joseph!

Thank you for your quick reply!

You wrote:

Does the proposed table have issues of its own? If there are more issues with the proposed braille table than the one NVDA uses now, I'm afraid we may need to use the current table.
The table that we want to use, includes the table currently in use, and the «new» table has extra definitions. I've tested the table, and I don't see any issue.

The hex value indicates unassigned character/braille dot patterns.
Yes, that's right. And there is lot of undefined chars in the currently used table.

I advise alerting Liblouis people about this.
I'm actively contributing to liblouis. I'm very certain that nobody will disagree to this change.

Thanks in advance - Lars

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lars Bjørndal
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Norwegian 8 dot braille table used by nvda

Hello, list!

For a long time there has been trouble with the Norwegian 8 dot computer braill table used by nvda:

- Bullets and othe characters are represented by the typical \xxxxx
garbage.

In liblouis there is a corresponding table which is an extended version of the table that are used currently.

Could you please use the table no-no-8dot.utb instead of no-no-comp8.ctb?

I think the change is as simple as replacing the line:

addTable("no-no-comp8.ctb", _("Norwegian 8 dot computer braille"))

with:

addTable("no-no-8dot.utb", _("Norwegian 8 dot computer braille"))

in the file brailleTables.py in the source directory.

Thanks in advance - Lars






Weather Plus: removed from community add-ons front page as requested by add-on author

 

Hi everyone,

 

Due to circumstances beyond the add-on’s control, WeatherPlus add-on has been removed from front page of add-ons website (along with download link). It’ll be restored once the author says the add-on is back online.

Cheers,

Jsoeph


Re: Weather Plus 4.8 update available

Adriano Barbieri
 


Hi Joseph and every one,
 
Last night I responded prematurely to someone, without even realize that WP was not working correctly.
I think this is the case to temporarily remove the add-on from the page international until I'll find a solution.
Or wait for a little while if you believe.
Thanks
 
Adriano
 

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.8 update available

Hi,

No matter which WeatherPlus add-on version you get, the add-on won’t perform its primary function because the web service it depends on is no more. Adriano wrote a reply to Sarah’s question about defining cities (I have some feelings about the way the larger issue is being handled, but out of respect for the author and the tone of the community, I’ll talk to him privately).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 10:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.8 update available

 

OK, I'm a bit confused.  Several hours ago, I got a message via this list which purported to be from Adriano Barbieri with the subject "Weather Plus 4.8 update."
  Actually, there was no body to the message and it seemed to be a reply to another unrelated message concerning Weather Plus.

 

In any case, I tried updating all the normal ways: the add on itself, the add on updater and now even the add on home page itself.  The last  update for the add on on the home page is January 1, 2019.  I downloaded and installed it anyway and it still doesn't work.

 

Did someone spoof Adriano's address?

 

On 1/7/2019 12:51 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

WeatherPlus is one of a handful of add-ons that can check for updated versions of themselves. This will eventually conflict with a future project I’m working on (in the long-term). At the moment the add-ons community, as well as the author, were made aware of web service changes, and I hope this situation can be rectified soon.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 9:47 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.8 update available

 

Hi Sam,

 

Did you go directly to the site for the update?  As of these updates for Add On Updater as well as the Weather Plus item itself under the NVDA menus, you are supposed to be able to get the update via NVDA itself.  I did not check the home page for Weather Plus.

 

On 1/7/2019 12:32 AM, Sam Bushman wrote:

Ok, I figured it out. For some reason when weather plus downloads it changes the name to .zip. You need to rename it back to .nvda-addon.

Once this is done you can just doubleclick on it to install.

Thanks,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 8:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.8 update available

 

There is no update for this under the standard way of updating using preferences/weather plus/check for update.  Neither is it listed under the much vaunted and revised add on updater.

 

On 1/6/2019 6:43 PM, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io wrote:



Hi Sarah,

 

You can do this, with Weather Plus, you can manage a list of cities.

Cheers

Adriano

 

 

Cheers

Adriano

 

----- Original Message -----

To: NVDA

Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2019 7:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Weather Plus 4.8 update available

 

Nice. Is there a way to include a list of locations? I normally check 3-5 locations for weather to keep an eye on my friends and family in said locations. I just grabbed the add on and will install it as soon as I can.

Take care

On 1 Jan 2019, at 6:45, Adriano Barbieri via Groups.Io wrote:

Good morning and happy new Year to every one,

Changes in this version:
#Changes in the Weather Plus Settings window:
•Added new checkbox;
"Use only weather effects";
This allows you to filter out all other environmental effects.
•Improved random playback and added 71 new sound effects;
You will need to update them by clicking twice in "enable audio effects"
check box.
•The volume type assigned by the user, between the general and current audio
volume, now is maintained when the configuration is saved.
•Removed useless sound during selection text in edit box by pressing
control+a.
•Improved readability into help window invokable with F1 function key.
•Added new compatibility flag for NVDA 2019.1, and the current alpha
versions.
Weather Plus can update alone, however, it is possible to download manually
from the following links:
http://www.nvda.it/files/plugin/weather_plus4.8.nvda-addon
or from page:
http://wwwnvda.it/weather-plus/
or from page:
https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/weatherPlus.en.html
Make sure that the extension of the downloaded file is correct, otherwise
rename it in .nvda-addon.

Adriano Barbieri

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"


Re: word skipping pages

Brian's Mail list account
 

Hi yes this email has just dropped through my time warp.
The thing is if you are writing your own documents you can of course configure word to just show one page per screen, but it seems as if when they come in from other sources they tend to use the default of two.
Myself, I'd like somebody to improve word compatibility so that view or template did not really matter.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "enes sarıbaş" <enes.saribas@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] word skipping pages


this is another issue ignored by the NVDA devs, which has existed for a very long time, and which also exists in adobe reader.

On 1/6/2019 5:28 PM, Daniel Wolak wrote:
Hi all,

I recently had to reinstall windows and office on this computer, and am
running into a rather interesting problem. Every time I get a document
sent to me and I choose to enable saving, I'm unable to move to the next
page using the arrow keys. If I was on page 1 for instance, I would skip
down to page 3. Using say all doesn't seem to have this problem. This
also happenns all be it less frequently on documents I create. I'm
running NVDA 2018.4 along with windows10 1809 64bit, and office 2019
32bit. Has anyone else come across this problem and found a solution?

Many thanks,


Daniel



Re: NVDA after Windows 1809

Brian's Mail list account
 

Did windows include any new drivers for the sound hardware? I ask as somebody told me they had an HP laptop doing the same thing. No idea quite why this should have such an effect though.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pascal Lambert " <coccinelle86@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2019 9:58 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA after Windows 1809


Hi,

I just updated Win10 to 1809 and now NVDA is stuttering and sputtering that
I have to restart it every two or three minutes.

Anyone has observed this? Any suggestion please?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal



47741 - 47760 of 101113