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Re: I'm so grateful for Nvda

Monte Single
 

As many people on this and other lists point out, it is a good idea to have a second screen reader on your  machine.  This is where the 40  minute demo of jaws is sometimes helpful.

Now there is 1 positive thing I can say about the jaws business.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: January-09-19 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

Hi.

I used to use Jaws. Ever since I was little. But then in 2017 I switched to NVDA when I purchased a new laptop. I am using NVDA full time now as well, not looking to buy a Jaws sma anytime soon.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

I too am very grateful for NVDA. I used to use a different screen reader but I couldn't afford the upgrades anymore so I switched to NVDA full-time in 2011. I haven't looked back.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

Same here. I love it's free and so flexible. I can install it on my home PC and my work PC, without any inconvenience to my employer. The world of computers and internet stays wholistic and in place, thanks to NVDA.
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Gene
 

Not in a public place, but in a private place, or when using headphones, it may be useful.  While I haven't paid much attention to this, it seems to me that some sites ask you to verify your password when setting up an account and some don't.  If a site doesn't ask you to do this, then you can't confirm the password is typed correctly when setting up an account.  If you type carefully, that isn't usually a problem but you should have the option to check what you are doing.  of course, you have to use common sense gbut people are responsible for their own sstupidity beyond a certain point and programmers shouldn't protect them from it or they should provide ways around the protection in many cases.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

I don't understand why anybody would want their password spoken either--especially in a public place like a library.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

 

Rosemarie is right, just off by 1 letter:   

Speak Passwords

Be very, very careful about what machines you're using this on and who else might be around.
I absolutely hate even the idea of it, but it's not my call. . .
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: I'm so grateful for Nvda

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I used to use Jaws. Ever since I was little. But then in 2017 I switched to NVDA when I purchased a new laptop. I am using NVDA full time now as well, not looking to buy a Jaws sma anytime soon.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

I too am very grateful for NVDA. I used to use a different screen reader but I couldn't afford the upgrades anymore so I switched to NVDA full-time in 2011. I haven't looked back.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

Same here. I love it's free and so flexible. I can install it on my home PC and my work PC, without any inconvenience to my employer. The world of computers and internet stays wholistic and in place, thanks to NVDA.
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Jetbrains IDEs - improving speech and focus. #addonrelease #addontesting

Pawel Urbanski
 

Hi Joseph,
I will move this thread to the other group, and try to create a custom class.
Unfortunately, it seems to me that most windows and IDs have the same
class window name of SunAwtFrame and the ID of 0. I looked it up using
Access Bridge Explorer by Google.

Thanks for your help and the hint about other group.
Pawel

On 09/01/2019, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Welcome to NvDA list.

Focus entered is most appropriate if an item inside a container (lists, for
example) is focused.

Regarding focus item problem: the code fragment below won’t work simply
because it’ll match ALL edit fields (think about what that if statement
does, as it’ll silence all speech if system focus moves to any edit field).
A common solution is to match a specific edit field by inspecting window
class names, control ID’s and what not, along with properties of
accessibility API object representing the edit field to screen readers (in
this case, what Java Access Bridge says about the edit field in question).

Auto-completes and a more general solution: I think the best way to handle
this situation is defining an overlay class. This means letting the app
module come with an overlay class representing the edit field, with the
overlay class dealing with focus announcement, auto-complete suggestions
(there is already a behavior mix-in defined for it named
EditableTextWithSuggestions) and others. Then in the app module class, you
can use chooseNVDAObjectOverlayClasses method to locate the specific edit
field represented by the overlay class and inserting that class to top of
the classes list (clsList), which means any event NVDA listens to and
commands will be sent to that edit field before falling back to default
implementation.

Although users list may provide you with some starting points, it isn’t
really a forum that talks about intricacies of add-on development; there is
a sister forum to this users list (named nvda-addons hosted on Groups.IO)
where people like you come together and share their knowledge.

P.S. I’m the one who wrote definitions for EditableTextWithSuggestions
mix-in back in 2017 as part of a project to let NVDA deal with UIA search
fields.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
pawel@e-urbanski.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jetbrains IDEs - improving speech and focus. #addonrelease
#addonrelease #addonrelease #addontesting



Dear Everyone,
I recently started using Jetbrains IDEs. I think that they are very good in
terms of accessibility, for Jetbrains provides a specific enhanced mode for
screen readers.
However there are minor interactions, which are not convinient for constant
use.
1. While code completion works fantastically well, the bug can be described
as follows:
* Whenever I accept a completion item: a variable / property / function, and
the editor gains focus, NVDA is always reading the name property of the
editor class provided by the Java Access Bridge,
* For example: "Editor for <name of the currently opened file>, and then
continues with the trest of the focused content, or reports inserted item.
2. I tried to create a simple appmodule, which checks if the controle type
is of type: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT and then cancel speech, but suddenly inserted
items are not being reported, the line content is not visible on the Braille
display, and code completion stopped working...

The code is as follows:

class AppModule(appModuleHandler.AppModule):

def event_focusEntered(self, obj, nextHandler):

if obj.role == controlTypes.ROLE_EDITABLETEXT:

speech.cancelSpeech()

nextHandler()

I import Java Access Bridge objects, NVDA objects and behaviors. The edit
control is the one without autoselect detection.

I am seaking help in creating the fix for this too verbose announcements. I
must say that this IDE is much better when it comes to coding than Visual
Studio or Visual Studio Code. Jetbrains has products for different
languages, but they use a common shell, just ike Eclipse does, so it would
be a fantastic tool for blind developers.

Thank you for your help in advance...
Pawel









Re: speaking passwords instead of star

 

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:27 AM, Isaac wrote:
I have a program that is very slugish about entering passwords so I want them spoken aloud to know there inputted as this particular program doesn't say star or anything.
Which is an even better justification for a password manager program, where you generally have the option to either copy and paste, so no typing is necessary, or actually having the password manager enter the login information for you.

There's very little learning curve, particularly for the copy and paste option, which is what I use most frequently because some websites just don't work well with the "automatic filling in" function, and I can never remember which are the cranky ones.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


Well, I have a program that is very slugish about entering passwords so I want them spoken aloud to know there inputted as this particular program doesn't say star or anything. 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

especially in a public place like a library.

 

I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas:  One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.  

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


Thanks for the link

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

Rosemarie is right, just off by 1 letter:   

Speak Passwords

Be very, very careful about what machines you're using this on and who else might be around.
I absolutely hate even the idea of it, but it's not my call. . .
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: speaking passwords instead of star

 

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

especially in a public place like a library.

 

I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas:  One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.  

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I don't understand why anybody would want their password spoken either--especially in a public place like a library.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

 

Rosemarie is right, just off by 1 letter:   

Speak Passwords

Be very, very careful about what machines you're using this on and who else might be around.
I absolutely hate even the idea of it, but it's not my call. . .
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Changing to G-Chrome?

 

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 02:20 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
I think the emails that annoy me the most are those which have no obvious links if read, ie they may say we at blogs and co have made it ultra simple for you to use our chicken plucking machine, where the link is actually the words made it simple or some other silly selection.
Well, if you didn't find blatant stupidity annoying you'd have to question your own sanity!   Click-through text should always be carefully chosen to focus on the content words, in context.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: speaking passwords instead of star

 

Rosemarie is right, just off by 1 letter:   

Speak Passwords

Be very, very careful about what machines you're using this on and who else might be around.
I absolutely hate even the idea of it, but it's not my call. . .
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I think there's an add-on called Speak Password.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Isaac
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

 

Hi, is there a way to set nvda to say a password when I type it instead of star and read the field I am writing in with out it saying star?


speaking passwords instead of star

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

Hi, is there a way to set nvda to say a password when I type it instead of star and read the field I am writing in with out it saying star?


Re: new NVDA user with a question

 

Hi,

I’m thinking it must be the Basic Training, as it mentions 2017. Mine covers 2018.1, and apart from significant changes made to NVDA’s own user interface in recent releases, most of what I describe is applicable to later releases (to whoever’s going to produce the fourth edition unless the community overwhelmingly says I should in 2020, you must redo preferences sections to include settings categories and how to navigate the new interface). I hope NV Access can come up with a brand new update to Basic Training module so people can learn from latest developments (and for some, renew our certification to say 2019).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] new NVDA user with a question

 

Where did the NVDA tutorial come from?  I think that is an old version.

 

Is it the one by Joseph Lee?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 10:11 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] new NVDA user with a question

 

Hi

 

the best bet is to use the updated versions of those files.

 

Just in case you did not know if you installed a copy of nvda and nvda is not running use the alkt key + ctrl key + the letter N to start your copy of nvda.

to get into the preferences of nvda where you can make changes use the nvda key + letter N. Under the help section will be where you will find the user manual etc. Under the settings section is where you will make most of your changes.

to quit your copy of nvda use the nvda key + letter Q

 

Where i refer to the modifier key this is either the insert key, the extended insert key or the caps lock key. You might of chosen one of these like the insert key then you would use the letter Q to quit your copy of nvda.

 

 

I would have to go back and see what the other question was to answer it.

 

Ask the questions and some one on the list will point you in the right direction.

 

Gene nz

 

On 9/01/2019 3:24 PM, Troy Burnham wrote:

Hi all,


I installed what I assume is the latest version of NVDA, ending in a 4, yesterday and since I've been meaning to make the jump to NVDA for quite a while I already had some files saved to help me get started but the help files appear to be for version 2017.2. The help files I have are an NVDA tutorial, a basic training for NVDA file, a commands quick reference guide, and a user guide but since the executable that's in the same folder with these files is for NVDA 2017.2 and I have the version ending in 4 installed I just wanted to know if the help files I have are still compatible.


Thanks.


Troy





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Re: I'm so grateful for Nvda

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I too am very grateful for NVDA. I used to use a different screen reader but I couldn't afford the upgrades anymore so I switched to NVDA full-time in 2011. I haven't looked back.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

Same here. I love it's free and so flexible. I can install it on my home PC and my work PC, without any inconvenience to my employer. The world of computers and internet stays wholistic and in place, thanks to NVDA.
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Jetbrains IDEs - improving speech and focus. #addonrelease #addontesting

 

Hi,

Welcome to NvDA list.

Focus entered is most appropriate if an item inside a container (lists, for example) is focused.

Regarding focus item problem: the code fragment below won’t work simply because it’ll match ALL edit fields (think about what that if statement does, as it’ll silence all speech if system focus moves to any edit field). A common solution is to match a specific edit field by inspecting window class names, control ID’s and what not, along with properties of accessibility API object representing the edit field to screen readers (in this case, what Java Access Bridge says about the edit field in question).

Auto-completes and a more general solution: I think the best way to handle this situation is defining an overlay class. This means letting the app module come with an overlay class representing the edit field, with the overlay class dealing with focus announcement, auto-complete suggestions (there is already a behavior mix-in defined for it named EditableTextWithSuggestions) and others. Then in the app module class, you can use chooseNVDAObjectOverlayClasses method to locate the specific edit field represented by the overlay class and inserting that class to top of the classes list (clsList), which means any event NVDA listens to and commands will be sent to that edit field before falling back to default implementation.

Although users list may provide you with some starting points, it isn’t really a forum that talks about intricacies of add-on development; there is a sister forum to this users list (named nvda-addons hosted on Groups.IO) where people like you come together and share their knowledge.

P.S. I’m the one who wrote definitions for EditableTextWithSuggestions mix-in back in 2017 as part of a project to let NVDA deal with UIA search fields.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of pawel@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jetbrains IDEs - improving speech and focus. #addonrelease #addonrelease #addonrelease #addontesting

 

Dear Everyone,
I recently started using Jetbrains IDEs. I think that they are very good in terms of accessibility, for Jetbrains provides a specific enhanced mode for screen readers.
However there are minor interactions, which are not convinient for constant use.
1. While code completion works fantastically well, the bug can be described as follows:
* Whenever I accept a completion item: a variable / property / function, and the editor gains focus, NVDA is always reading the name property of the editor class provided by the Java Access Bridge,
* For example: "Editor for <name of the currently opened file>, and then continues with the trest of the focused content, or reports inserted item.
2. I tried to create a simple appmodule, which checks if the controle type is of type: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT and then cancel speech, but suddenly inserted items are not being reported, the line content is not visible on the Braille display, and code completion stopped working...

The code is as follows:

class AppModule(appModuleHandler.AppModule):

def event_focusEntered(self, obj, nextHandler):

if obj.role == controlTypes.ROLE_EDITABLETEXT:

speech.cancelSpeech()

nextHandler()

I import Java Access Bridge objects, NVDA objects and behaviors. The edit control is the one without autoselect detection.

I am seaking help in creating the fix for this too verbose announcements. I must say that this IDE is much better when it comes to coding than Visual Studio or Visual Studio Code. Jetbrains has products for different languages, but they use a common shell, just ike Eclipse does, so it would be a fantastic tool for blind developers.

Thank you for your help in advance...
Pawel

 


Re: Need help scanning books

Gene
 

There are flatbed scanners designed specifically for scanning books, called book scanners.  I'm not sure how much they cost but they won't damage the spine of the book.  You can use a flatbed scanner to scan books, whidch isn't a book scanner and it will work well if it’s a reasonable quality one and those are much cheaper.  But you will damage the spines of books, they will become slanted and you may get less money when reselling books.  I haven't looked at scanner brands and models for a long time so I won't say much about that.  Epson was and I think still is, a popular scanner among blind people.  The models blind people bought were in the Perfection series, thus Epson Perfection and then whatever specific scanner you want in that line.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 8:44 AM
Subject: [nvda] Need help scanning books

Hello guys!
I had a Lex scanner, which broke recently. It is a specialized scanner for scanning books and documents for blind people. It's basically a camera on a inverted 'L' shaped stand, looks like a table lamp.

Now, since I scan books and documents often for my school work, I need something else. Can't afford the same scanner, it's reasonably costly. Can you guys suggest something? some affordable scanner? Or alternate ways of scanning books?

Would a flat bed scanner work? Has anybody used those? --
Regards,
Sociohack


Need help scanning books

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Hello guys!
I had a Lex scanner, which broke recently. It is a specialized scanner for scanning books and documents for blind people. It's basically a camera on a inverted 'L' shaped stand, looks like a table lamp.

Now, since I scan books and documents often for my school work, I need something else. Can't afford the same scanner, it's reasonably costly. Can you guys suggest something? some affordable scanner? Or alternate ways of scanning books?

Would a flat bed scanner work? Has anybody used those? --
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: I'm so grateful for Nvda

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Same here. I love it's free and so flexible. I can install it on my home PC and my work PC, without any inconvenience to my employer. The world of computers and internet stays wholistic and in place, thanks to NVDA.
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Jetbrains IDEs - improving speech and focus. #addonrelease #addontesting

Pawel Urbanski
 

Dear Everyone,
I recently started using Jetbrains IDEs. I think that they are very good in terms of accessibility, for Jetbrains provides a specific enhanced mode for screen readers.
However there are minor interactions, which are not convinient for constant use.
1. While code completion works fantastically well, the bug can be described as follows:
* Whenever I accept a completion item: a variable / property / function, and the editor gains focus, NVDA is always reading the name property of the editor class provided by the Java Access Bridge,
* For example: "Editor for <name of the currently opened file>, and then continues with the trest of the focused content, or reports inserted item.
2. I tried to create a simple appmodule, which checks if the controle type is of type: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT and then cancel speech, but suddenly inserted items are not being reported, the line content is not visible on the Braille display, and code completion stopped working...

The code is as follows:
class AppModule(appModuleHandler.AppModule):
def event_focusEntered(self, obj, nextHandler):
if obj.role == controlTypes.ROLE_EDITABLETEXT:
speech.cancelSpeech()
nextHandler()

I import Java Access Bridge objects, NVDA objects and behaviors. The edit control is the one without autoselect detection.

I am seaking help in creating the fix for this too verbose announcements. I must say that this IDE is much better when it comes to coding than Visual Studio or Visual Studio Code. Jetbrains has products for different languages, but they use a common shell, just ike Eclipse does, so it would be a fantastic tool for blind developers.

Thank you for your help in advance...
Pawel