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Re: Changing to G-Chrome? Continued

Brian Vogel
 

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 02:01 PM, David Russell wrote:
When pasting, the URL is read without the word link. When reading the
copy sent to myself, the link is there, and it works!
This is typical behavior.   If you do not copy the link with a "Copy Link Location" command, or similar, or have a link that is presented as click-through text selected, then all you're getting is the link text, not the hyperlink.  If you select only the part of a link that comes after the https:// or http:// it will still be considered text, not a link.

The e-mail interface "linkifies" plain text that it recognizes as being presented in link format.  It's easy enough to try.  Type a list of URLs by hand.  In the compose window they will not be presented to you, the composer, as links.  Once the message is sent, and you're viewing it in the sent folder, they will (as they will for the receiver).

Copy http://www.washingtonpost.com in its entirety, from the H in http to the m in com, then paste it when composing.  You'll have a link.  Then afterward type out what comes after the http:// by hand.  In the compose window you'll have plain text for the second.  But once sent both will show up as links once "linkification" has been done on the second one by Gmail or an e-mail client.

If you copy and paste in a full hyperlink it will read as "link".  There's a difference between text that can be linkified and an actual link itself.  It's worked this way for as long as I can remember, and there was a time where "linkification" did not occur.  It was a new feature many moons ago.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 
Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Sarah k Alawami
 

Yeah I never whare headphones as I can't hear well anyway, so that's why I trust my fingers or a password mamager where I can copy paste theepassword.

On 9 Jan 2019, at 11:05, Ann Byrne wrote:

Sometimes you just need to be sure you typed it in right. It's easy enough to silence when nobody else should hear. Really, if you are near other people, it's polite to wear head phones, in which case nobody would hear it anyway.
At 10:27 AM 1/9/2019, you wrote:


Well, I have a program that is very slugish about entering passwords so I want them spoken aloud to know there inputted as this particular program doesn't say star or anything.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:britechguy@...>Brian Vogel
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

especially in a public place like a library.



I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas: One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Ann Byrne
 

Sometimes you just need to be sure you typed it in right. It's easy enough to silence when nobody else should hear. Really, if you are near other people, it's polite to wear head phones, in which case nobody would hear it anyway.

At 10:27 AM 1/9/2019, you wrote:

Well, I have a program that is very slugish about entering passwords so I want them spoken aloud to know there inputted as this particular program doesn't say star or anything.
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>Brian Vogel
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

especially in a public place like a library.



I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas: One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
Changing to G-Chrome? Continued

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA group,

This is fascinating.
Within the last fifteen minutes, I sent myself an email from
Smashwords and pasted in part of the notice before and after the
hyperlink. NVDA reads the URL by saying the word link
https://www.smashwords.com and the info after the slash.

When pasting, the URL is read without the word link. When reading the
copy sent to myself, the link is there, and it works!

So, the idea of an email program saying yes or no to links, or a blog
saying yes or no to links, seems to still be the answer as to why some
see what I send as a link and others do not.
It baffles me.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!
Re: Changing from FireFox to G-Chrome Continued

Gene
 

That doesn't make sense because the program sending the message has nothing to do with whether something appears as a link.  E-mail programs are supposed to recognize such syntax and treat them as links.  I discussed the procedure I did specifically to address the question of embedded links.  As far as I could tell, you were saying that embedded links don't appear as links when you send a message.  But for written out links, that is the problem of the sender's program.  They need to view the message as html, if they aren't seeing written out links as links.
 
I just looked at your message using my e-mail program's view as HTML and it saw both versions of the link you sent as a link. 
 
To turn off browse mode, use NVDA key space.  Use the same command, NVDA space, to turn it back on again.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 12:18 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Changing from FireFox to G-Chrome Continued

Hello Brian, Gene, and others,

On Facebook if I type
www.smashwords.com
or, https://www.smashwords.com
Inb a couple groups it will appear with an imbedded link. In personal
emails, either more times than not does not appear as a link according
to senders.

If I paste the link in a message from a given website, then your
suspicion, Gene, is more valid as to what may be happening.

How does one turn browse mode off?

I am using FF-52 because of the formerly felt concerns with more
recent editions such as 57, 60 and perhaps 63. If those are now
alleviated, I will update.

Finally, it was my understanding, FireFox in 2014 removed the
automatic link feature leaving it up to the email program or blog to
accept or not accept URLs as links. This too may be incorrect on my
part.

Thank you for your input as it is appreciated.
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...
Re: Changing from FireFox to G-Chrome Continued

Kwork
 

On Thunderbird 64.0, the smashwords link did come across as a link, but britechguy.com did not. Interesting.

Travis

On 1/9/2019 11:49 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 01:18 PM, David Russell wrote:
I am using FF-52 because of the formerly felt concerns with more
recent editions such as 57, 60 and perhaps 63. If those are now
alleviated, I will update.
And what are those?   I ask because I know there were some, but it's been so long I've forgotten.  I also have had multiple clients on the Quantum versions of Firefox and we've not had any difficulties recently, that's for sure.

Any time I paste in text that can be recognized as a link in Gmail it "linkifies" it.   Sometimes things without www. on the front are, or are not, linkified but anything that has it and that has the correct remaining format always is.

I just did this with the text britechguy.com (my own website) and www.smashwords.com, both pasted in as plain text, and both were linkified when I received the message. They don't instantly show that during compose, it's part of the processing once you hit Send.
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 
Re: Changing from FireFox to G-Chrome Continued

Brian Vogel
 

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 01:18 PM, David Russell wrote:
I am using FF-52 because of the formerly felt concerns with more
recent editions such as 57, 60 and perhaps 63. If those are now
alleviated, I will update.
And what are those?   I ask because I know there were some, but it's been so long I've forgotten.  I also have had multiple clients on the Quantum versions of Firefox and we've not had any difficulties recently, that's for sure.

Any time I paste in text that can be recognized as a link in Gmail it "linkifies" it.   Sometimes things without www. on the front are, or are not, linkified but anything that has it and that has the correct remaining format always is.

I just did this with the text britechguy.com (my own website) and www.smashwords.com, both pasted in as plain text, and both were linkified when I received the message. They don't instantly show that during compose, it's part of the processing once you hit Send.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 
Changing from FireFox to G-Chrome Continued

David Russell
 

Hello Brian, Gene, and others,

On Facebook if I type
www.smashwords.com
or, https://www.smashwords.com
Inb a couple groups it will appear with an imbedded link. In personal
emails, either more times than not does not appear as a link according
to senders.

If I paste the link in a message from a given website, then your
suspicion, Gene, is more valid as to what may be happening.

How does one turn browse mode off?

I am using FF-52 because of the formerly felt concerns with more
recent editions such as 57, 60 and perhaps 63. If those are now
alleviated, I will update.

Finally, it was my understanding, FireFox in 2014 removed the
automatic link feature leaving it up to the email program or blog to
accept or not accept URLs as links. This too may be incorrect on my
part.

Thank you for your input as it is appreciated.
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Chris
 

Not in nvda itself but there is a addon called something like speak password which is still available on the nvda addons web page

 

 

From: Isaac
Sent: 09 January 2019 16:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

 

Hi, is there a way to set nvda to say a password when I type it instead of star and read the field I am writing in with out it saying star?

 
Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Sarah k Alawami
 

I personally would not do that for security reasons. I'm sure there is a way, but I don't know it as I would in my humble opinion never use it unless I was typing in a 36 char password (I have some of those) and need to verify it, but that's it.

On 9 Jan 2019, at 8:08, Isaac wrote:

Hi, is there a way to set nvda to say a password when I type it instead of star and read the field I am writing in with out it saying star?
Re: I'm so grateful for Nvda

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I do have a demo version of Jaws on this computer. Yes, it is a good idea to have at least two screen readers in case one crashes.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 9:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

As many people on this and other lists point out, it is a good idea to have a second screen reader on your  machine.  This is where the 40  minute demo of jaws is sometimes helpful.

Now there is 1 positive thing I can say about the jaws business.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: January-09-19 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

Hi.

I used to use Jaws. Ever since I was little. But then in 2017 I switched to NVDA when I purchased a new laptop. I am using NVDA full time now as well, not looking to buy a Jaws sma anytime soon.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

I too am very grateful for NVDA. I used to use a different screen reader but I couldn't afford the upgrades anymore so I switched to NVDA full-time in 2011. I haven't looked back.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

Same here. I love it's free and so flexible. I can install it on my home PC and my work PC, without any inconvenience to my employer. The world of computers and internet stays wholistic and in place, thanks to NVDA.
--
Regards,
Sociohack

EyePal, was : [nvda] Need help scanning books

Janet Brandly
 

Hello,
I have an EyePal which I no longer use and would be willing to donate. I can’t remember who It was mabe by. The developer did update it for Windows 7 but not sure about Windows 10. If you’re interested please let me know.
Jan
 
 

From: Sociohack AC
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 7:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Need help scanning books
 

Hello guys!
I had a Lex scanner, which broke recently. It is a specialized scanner for scanning books and documents for blind people. It's basically a camera on a inverted 'L' shaped stand, looks like a table lamp.

Now, since I scan books and documents often for my school work, I need something else. Can't afford the same scanner, it's reasonably costly. Can you guys suggest something? some affordable scanner? Or alternate ways of scanning books?

Would a flat bed scanner work? Has anybody used those? --
Regards,
Sociohack
Re: I'm so grateful for Nvda

Monte Single
 

As many people on this and other lists point out, it is a good idea to have a second screen reader on your  machine.  This is where the 40  minute demo of jaws is sometimes helpful.

Now there is 1 positive thing I can say about the jaws business.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: January-09-19 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

Hi.

I used to use Jaws. Ever since I was little. But then in 2017 I switched to NVDA when I purchased a new laptop. I am using NVDA full time now as well, not looking to buy a Jaws sma anytime soon.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

I too am very grateful for NVDA. I used to use a different screen reader but I couldn't afford the upgrades anymore so I switched to NVDA full-time in 2011. I haven't looked back.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

Same here. I love it's free and so flexible. I can install it on my home PC and my work PC, without any inconvenience to my employer. The world of computers and internet stays wholistic and in place, thanks to NVDA.
--
Regards,
Sociohack

Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Gene
 

Not in a public place, but in a private place, or when using headphones, it may be useful.  While I haven't paid much attention to this, it seems to me that some sites ask you to verify your password when setting up an account and some don't.  If a site doesn't ask you to do this, then you can't confirm the password is typed correctly when setting up an account.  If you type carefully, that isn't usually a problem but you should have the option to check what you are doing.  of course, you have to use common sense gbut people are responsible for their own sstupidity beyond a certain point and programmers shouldn't protect them from it or they should provide ways around the protection in many cases.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

I don't understand why anybody would want their password spoken either--especially in a public place like a library.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 8:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

 

Rosemarie is right, just off by 1 letter:   

Speak Passwords

Be very, very careful about what machines you're using this on and who else might be around.
I absolutely hate even the idea of it, but it's not my call. . .
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 
Re: I'm so grateful for Nvda

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I used to use Jaws. Ever since I was little. But then in 2017 I switched to NVDA when I purchased a new laptop. I am using NVDA full time now as well, not looking to buy a Jaws sma anytime soon.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

I too am very grateful for NVDA. I used to use a different screen reader but I couldn't afford the upgrades anymore so I switched to NVDA full-time in 2011. I haven't looked back.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sociohack AC
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 6:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] I'm so grateful for Nvda

 

Same here. I love it's free and so flexible. I can install it on my home PC and my work PC, without any inconvenience to my employer. The world of computers and internet stays wholistic and in place, thanks to NVDA.
--
Regards,
Sociohack

Re: Jetbrains IDEs - improving speech and focus. #addonrelease #addontesting

Pawel Urbanski
 

Hi Joseph,
I will move this thread to the other group, and try to create a custom class.
Unfortunately, it seems to me that most windows and IDs have the same
class window name of SunAwtFrame and the ID of 0. I looked it up using
Access Bridge Explorer by Google.

Thanks for your help and the hint about other group.
Pawel

On 09/01/2019, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Welcome to NvDA list.

Focus entered is most appropriate if an item inside a container (lists, for
example) is focused.

Regarding focus item problem: the code fragment below won’t work simply
because it’ll match ALL edit fields (think about what that if statement
does, as it’ll silence all speech if system focus moves to any edit field).
A common solution is to match a specific edit field by inspecting window
class names, control ID’s and what not, along with properties of
accessibility API object representing the edit field to screen readers (in
this case, what Java Access Bridge says about the edit field in question).

Auto-completes and a more general solution: I think the best way to handle
this situation is defining an overlay class. This means letting the app
module come with an overlay class representing the edit field, with the
overlay class dealing with focus announcement, auto-complete suggestions
(there is already a behavior mix-in defined for it named
EditableTextWithSuggestions) and others. Then in the app module class, you
can use chooseNVDAObjectOverlayClasses method to locate the specific edit
field represented by the overlay class and inserting that class to top of
the classes list (clsList), which means any event NVDA listens to and
commands will be sent to that edit field before falling back to default
implementation.

Although users list may provide you with some starting points, it isn’t
really a forum that talks about intricacies of add-on development; there is
a sister forum to this users list (named nvda-addons hosted on Groups.IO)
where people like you come together and share their knowledge.

P.S. I’m the one who wrote definitions for EditableTextWithSuggestions
mix-in back in 2017 as part of a project to let NVDA deal with UIA search
fields.

Cheers,

Joseph





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
pawel@e-urbanski.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 4:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Jetbrains IDEs - improving speech and focus. #addonrelease
#addonrelease #addonrelease #addontesting



Dear Everyone,
I recently started using Jetbrains IDEs. I think that they are very good in
terms of accessibility, for Jetbrains provides a specific enhanced mode for
screen readers.
However there are minor interactions, which are not convinient for constant
use.
1. While code completion works fantastically well, the bug can be described
as follows:
* Whenever I accept a completion item: a variable / property / function, and
the editor gains focus, NVDA is always reading the name property of the
editor class provided by the Java Access Bridge,
* For example: "Editor for <name of the currently opened file>, and then
continues with the trest of the focused content, or reports inserted item.
2. I tried to create a simple appmodule, which checks if the controle type
is of type: ROLE_EDITABLETEXT and then cancel speech, but suddenly inserted
items are not being reported, the line content is not visible on the Braille
display, and code completion stopped working...

The code is as follows:

class AppModule(appModuleHandler.AppModule):

def event_focusEntered(self, obj, nextHandler):

if obj.role == controlTypes.ROLE_EDITABLETEXT:

speech.cancelSpeech()

nextHandler()

I import Java Access Bridge objects, NVDA objects and behaviors. The edit
control is the one without autoselect detection.

I am seaking help in creating the fix for this too verbose announcements. I
must say that this IDE is much better when it comes to coding than Visual
Studio or Visual Studio Code. Jetbrains has products for different
languages, but they use a common shell, just ike Eclipse does, so it would
be a fantastic tool for blind developers.

Thank you for your help in advance...
Pawel
Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Brian Vogel
 

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:27 AM, Isaac wrote:
I have a program that is very slugish about entering passwords so I want them spoken aloud to know there inputted as this particular program doesn't say star or anything.
Which is an even better justification for a password manager program, where you generally have the option to either copy and paste, so no typing is necessary, or actually having the password manager enter the login information for you.

There's very little learning curve, particularly for the copy and paste option, which is what I use most frequently because some websites just don't work well with the "automatic filling in" function, and I can never remember which are the cranky ones.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 
Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


Well, I have a program that is very slugish about entering passwords so I want them spoken aloud to know there inputted as this particular program doesn't say star or anything. 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

especially in a public place like a library.

 

I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas:  One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.  

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 
Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 


Thanks for the link

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] speaking passwords instead of star

Rosemarie is right, just off by 1 letter:   

Speak Passwords

Be very, very careful about what machines you're using this on and who else might be around.
I absolutely hate even the idea of it, but it's not my call. . .
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 
Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Brian Vogel
 

On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 11:20 AM, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

especially in a public place like a library.

 

I doubt that many do this, but any that do have no one to blame but themselves when the inevitable account compromises come.

Passwords (or pass phrases) belong in two areas:  One's own head and/or a password manager program that encrypts the file containing the actual passwords.  

All the reasons that have ever been given for reading them aloud when typed ring entirely hollow to me.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 
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