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Re: Win10 system restore

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Thanks Brian and Gene for your helpful answers on this issue.

Blessings

Pascal

 

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Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 9:59 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 system restore

 

I just wrote elsewhere that one should never trust System Protection as a primary "recovery" method.   It's great when it works, but very often multiple restore points will fail to restore.

Anyone using a computer these days that has a concern about being able to roll back or recover data should be using a third-party (per Microsoft's own recommendation) full system image backup and recovery solution, preferably to two different external backup drives that one alternates between with each backup.  Even if you're using only one external backup drive, but storing it somewhere likely protected from any real disaster like fire or flood, that might befall your computer itself you're on far better footing than trusting System Protection.

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Re: I see there is a new RC release of nvda on the snapshots page.

 

Hi,

Specifically, to fix a startup crash seen when one uses NVDA’s user interface in a certain language or two.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

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This is probably a minor fix to 2018.4 is it not?

 

 

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Subject: [nvda] I see there is a new RC release of nvda on the snapshots page.

 

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

 

Its in the beta section strangely.. :-)

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Re: Win10 system restore

 

I just wrote elsewhere that one should never trust System Protection as a primary "recovery" method.   It's great when it works, but very often multiple restore points will fail to restore.

Anyone using a computer these days that has a concern about being able to roll back or recover data should be using a third-party (per Microsoft's own recommendation) full system image backup and recovery solution, preferably to two different external backup drives that one alternates between with each backup.  Even if you're using only one external backup drive, but storing it somewhere likely protected from any real disaster like fire or flood, that might befall your computer itself you're on far better footing than trusting System Protection.

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FireFox Issues Concluded

David Russell
 

Hello Brian, Gene and others,

Just to alert, I did a system restore after downloading FF-60.4
because I could not read emails being composed, and navigating the
computer itself required a couple added steps that didn't always work.

I found the email address to Intopia, and resent request for the name
of the accessibility group they had recommended I contact based in
Texas. A Ricky Onsman replied and the group is called Nobility.org.

I will phone them as the email address provided did not work.

As to WaterFox, either the domain waterfox.com is for sale, or they
somehow want to verify who is at their site. I got a message saying
something wanted to make changes to my computer. I didn't go along. So
at the moment, am on FF-52 and seeking advisement on where to turn for
a better browser that won't screw things up. Thanks.

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Re: Need help scanning books

Gene
 

I should say that I haven't looked into scanners for years.  Last I knew and from comments I saw on a list perhaps a year or two ago, Epson is still well thought of among blind users of OCR.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help scanning books

hello Gene,

Kurzweil seems a bit expensive for me. However, Epson Perfection series is n the right rice range. Can it be reliably used for scanning books?

And, what other flatbed scanners specific for scanning books you were talking about? Can you provide some names?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Need help scanning books

Gene
 

There is no Kurzweil scanner.  Kurzweil sells OCr programs. 
 
As I said, if you don't care if the binding of books is bent, Epson scans well. 
 
I assume you are already using an OCR program.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help scanning books

hello Gene,

Kurzweil seems a bit expensive for me. However, Epson Perfection series is n the right rice range. Can it be reliably used for scanning books?

And, what other flatbed scanners specific for scanning books you were talking about? Can you provide some names?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Need help scanning books

Mohib Anwar Rafay
 

I have used couple of flatbed scanners in past. My experience with HP
and Cannon has not been so good, but I am enjoying my Fujitsu flatbed
cum automatic document feader scanner, which is quite fast and clear.

On 1/10/19, Sociohack AC <acsociopath@gmail.com> wrote:
hello Gene,

Kurzweil seems a bit expensive for me. However, Epson Perfection series is n
the right rice range. Can it be reliably used for scanning books?

And, what other flatbed scanners specific for scanning books you were
talking about? Can you provide some names?
--
Regards,
Sociohack



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Re: Win10 system restore

Gene
 

It just sounds like odd things that may happen with System Restore.  I once had all my restore points disappear from my Windows 7 machine.  it never happened again.  I don't know why it would happen every few weeks that all your restore points disappear and System restore is a lot more reliable than it was in Windows XP but I still don't completely trust it.  There may be a third party utility you may want to use or try or you may want to create drive clones at times so you can revert.  I don't know enough to discuss cloning more.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 system restore

The problem here is that I see none!  My last one is not there!

Is there something I am not doing or checking to have the restore point remains till I delete it?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 system restore

 

Windows has never kept "an infinite list" of restore points, but tends to keep them for the last 4 or 5 major actions.

When you get to the Restore your computer to the state it was in before the selected event dialog, do you have the checkbox for Show more restore points checked?  If not, you'll see only one, the most recent one.
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Re: Need help scanning books

Akshaya Choudhary
 

hello Gene,

Kurzweil seems a bit expensive for me. However, Epson Perfection series is n the right rice range. Can it be reliably used for scanning books?

And, what other flatbed scanners specific for scanning books you were talking about? Can you provide some names?
--
Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Win10 system restore

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

The problem here is that I see none!  My last one is not there!

Is there something I am not doing or checking to have the restore point remains till I delete it?

Many thanks

Blessings

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 11:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 system restore

 

Windows has never kept "an infinite list" of restore points, but tends to keep them for the last 4 or 5 major actions.

When you get to the Restore your computer to the state it was in before the selected event dialog, do you have the checkbox for Show more restore points checked?  If not, you'll see only one, the most recent one.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Tutorials for Navigating iTunes with NVDA

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


It is not as hard as people make it out to be. first let me ask where you are having problems and i can direct you from there. I have been using itunes with NVDEA for years with no problems.
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the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 7:30 PM
Subject: [nvda] Tutorials for Navigating iTunes with NVDA

Does anyone know of any tutorials for learning to navigate iTunes with NVDA? Thanks.

 

Greg

 


Re: NVDA say all command not working.

Ann Byrne
 

Is he using the actual down arrow key, not the one on the numpad????

At 02:58 AM 1/10/2019, you wrote:
Does this also happen in other non office programs, ie is it system wide or specific really.

Which build of windows is in use?

If its all over then maybe something in nvda is corrupted. Only a complete manual removal and reinstall will sort that out, but what synth is in use with nvda?

Not that this should make a difference but...
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Eric Hofman" <Eric.Hofman@visionaustralia.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 11:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA say all command not working.


Hi All
I have a client who is using the latest version of NVDA on a Windows 10 Laptop with Office 2016.
The client is reasonably proficient with using NVDA and reports that when attempting to use the "SAY ALL" ( INSERT+DOWN ARROW ) in word, Outlook, notepad various other programs, that the command fails to read to the end of the Page or Document from the currently focused point. The client states it will usually read to the end of the line, sentence, or paragraph and that repeating the command will prompt NVDA to continue reading but again not to the end as expected.

This issue is reported to me as having been occurring for approximately 4 to 6 weeks, So has survived several system reboots. I have ensured via phone that the client is using the latest version and currently there are no updates available for the client.

I have been unable to reproduce this issue on a test system or my work system with the latest version or the previous versions of NVDA. Reset to factory defaults would be the next obvious step but I would like to know if this is a known issue or if there is some way of resolving this without a reset to defaults.

Any advice or assistance is greatly appreciated.

Regards
Eric Hofman


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Re: I see there is a new RC release of nvda on the snapshots page.

Chris
 

 

This is probably a minor fix to 2018.4 is it not?

 

 

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Subject: [nvda] I see there is a new RC release of nvda on the snapshots page.

 

https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

 

Its in the beta section strangely.. :-)

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I see there is a new RC release of nvda on the snapshots page.

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https://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/snapshots/

Its in the beta section strangely.. :-)
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Re: a freezing issue

 

Well I have been pushing the system hard today, and had been pushing it really hard all day in win 1809 usually I don't ever hit the limit, and probably won't, however, this amd box seems the only one that seems to do this, but then as I said I have had a multi windowed approach open all day for the last week.

I doubt I will need to do much more of this sort of junk once its all set up.

In fact if I can get past the next few tasks tonight that may be it.

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You really need a complete system dump file for this sort of thing. I imagine that Explorer fell over as it seems to do when its stressed even back on windows 7.
I normally just blip the power button and if that does not start the shut down then its going to have to be a bad shutdown which windows has great delight in telling me happened.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 7:11 AM
Subject: [nvda] a freezing issue


Hi.

This happened today after fiddling with a load of 50gb folders which I had to delete and copy back to my drives, and so it was a lot of heavy processing on my new amd laptop.

I was listening to a winamp stream to.

nvda froze up after I had gone away for a while, explorer crashed then I had to reboot.

Its probable that I may never have the same issue, I usually don't handle 2 drives and a lot of data at once like this usually and play audio but anyway here is the log.

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (20:04:42.038):
Core frozen in stack:
 File "nvda.pyw", line 217, in <module>
 File "core.pyo", line 515, in main
 File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
 File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify
 File "core.pyo", line 485, in run
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 897, in pumpAll
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 620, in processGenericWinEvent
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 524, in winEventToNVDAEvent
 File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 378, in isUIAWindow
 File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 366, in _isUIAWindowHelper

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (20:04:58.184):
Core frozen in stack:
 File "nvda.pyw", line 217, in <module>
 File "core.pyo", line 515, in main
 File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
 File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify
 File "core.pyo", line 485, in run
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 897, in pumpAll
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 620, in processGenericWinEvent
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 532, in winEventToNVDAEvent
 File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 40, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent
 File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 342, in accessibleObjectFromEvent
 File "oleacc.pyo", line 265, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent







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Reposted from the Dev list Message from Mick.
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Re: a freezing issue

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You really need a complete system dump file for this sort of thing. I imagine that Explorer fell over as it seems to do when its stressed even back on windows 7.
I normally just blip the power button and if that does not start the shut down then its going to have to be a bad shutdown which windows has great delight in telling me happened.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 7:11 AM
Subject: [nvda] a freezing issue


Hi.

This happened today after fiddling with a load of 50gb folders which I had to delete and copy back to my drives, and so it was a lot of heavy processing on my new amd laptop.

I was listening to a winamp stream to.

nvda froze up after I had gone away for a while, explorer crashed then I had to reboot.

Its probable that I may never have the same issue, I usually don't handle 2 drives and a lot of data at once like this usually and play audio but anyway here is the log.

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (20:04:42.038):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 217, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 515, in main
File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify
File "core.pyo", line 485, in run
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 897, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 620, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 524, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 378, in isUIAWindow
File "_UIAHandler.pyo", line 366, in _isUIAWindowHelper

WARNING - watchdog._watcher (20:04:58.184):
Core frozen in stack:
File "nvda.pyw", line 217, in <module>
File "core.pyo", line 515, in main
File "wx\core.pyo", line 2134, in MainLoop
File "gui\__init__.pyo", line 963, in Notify
File "core.pyo", line 485, in run
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 897, in pumpAll
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 620, in processGenericWinEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 532, in winEventToNVDAEvent
File "NVDAObjects\IAccessible\__init__.pyo", line 40, in getNVDAObjectFromEvent
File "IAccessibleHandler.pyo", line 342, in accessibleObjectFromEvent
File "oleacc.pyo", line 265, in AccessibleObjectFromEvent




Re: Tutorials for Navigating iTunes with NVDA

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The last person who tried had to be taken away in a van....
grin.
Is there not some software called walta or similar for using with an Iphone?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Rhodes" <gkrhodes@suddenlink.net>
To: "NVDA Users Group" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 2:30 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tutorials for Navigating iTunes with NVDA


Does anyone know of any tutorials for learning to navigate iTunes with NVDA? Thanks.

Greg


Re: NVDA say all command not working.

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Does this also happen in other non office programs, ie is it system wide or specific really.

Which build of windows is in use?

If its all over then maybe something in nvda is corrupted. Only a complete manual removal and reinstall will sort that out, but what synth is in use with nvda?

Not that this should make a difference but...
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Hofman" <Eric.Hofman@visionaustralia.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 11:49 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA say all command not working.


Hi All
I have a client who is using the latest version of NVDA on a Windows 10 Laptop with Office 2016.
The client is reasonably proficient with using NVDA and reports that when attempting to use the "SAY ALL" ( INSERT+DOWN ARROW ) in word, Outlook, notepad various other programs, that the command fails to read to the end of the Page or Document from the currently focused point. The client states it will usually read to the end of the line, sentence, or paragraph and that repeating the command will prompt NVDA to continue reading but again not to the end as expected.

This issue is reported to me as having been occurring for approximately 4 to 6 weeks, So has survived several system reboots. I have ensured via phone that the client is using the latest version and currently there are no updates available for the client.

I have been unable to reproduce this issue on a test system or my work system with the latest version or the previous versions of NVDA. Reset to factory defaults would be the next obvious step but I would like to know if this is a known issue or if there is some way of resolving this without a reset to defaults.

Any advice or assistance is greatly appreciated.

Regards
Eric Hofman


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Commercial & National Services
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Re: FireFox Update Download Problems Cont

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I do not use webmail but those who do tell me a lot of these issues have not been seen in the 64 bit version of Firefox latest builds.


Also if you want a more secure browser then get waterfox. It seems to be being updated but is based on the old rendering engine of mozilla.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:44 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] FireFox Update Download Problems Cont


The choice isn't to use the old version or a new version exclusively. You can use the version you are using now for e-mail and you can use the current version, run as a portable version for general browsing. I haven't had problems with the current version of Firefox as far as accessibility is concerned. I assume you know that older versions of browsers are more vulnerable to security exploits that allow malicious sites to download malware and do other things to compromise your machine and steal personal information.

That's why I am advising that you use a portable current version for general browsing and the 52.x version for e-mail.

You don't need to join another group to do this. Many people on the list use portable Firefox and can give you information.

I'm not saying you shouldn't join the group you are discussing, there's nothing wrong with having more resources if you want them, I'm saying for what I am discussing, you can get all the information you need here.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: David Russell
Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2019 5:47 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Update Download Problems Cont


Hi All,

I did a system restore and am back on FF52. Emails could not be read
that I compose, and my signature line could not be read either. I had
to forward tab once to read email in the inbox. So, whatever advances
have been made, benefit me little. I don't know a lot about
configuring computers to work in the manner to which I am accustom.

I understand there is a support group from Texas that deals with
accessibility issues on a more personal level. Does anyone have
contact info for them or such a group or service?

I cannot afford to update if it limits my known capabilities. Thanks!

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