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Slightly OT: Hardware speech synthesizer

Felix G.
 

Hello everyone,
I'm thinking of getting a hardware speech synthesizer because I feel
it might improve my efficiency by making me independent of existing
sound resources on machines. I'm aware hardware speech synthesizers
are an ancient concept, so I'd like to ask around: Are they still
being manufactured for end users? If so, which ones are being produced
as I am writing this?
All the best,
Felix


Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Darren Harris
 

I don't think you need an ssd drive. It's not essential. Up until last year I was using a mechanical drive for years. It's the ram that makes the difference. Ram and CPU speed and to some extent the graphics card. I say that as the graphics cards all have ram on them as well these days so you can effectively borrow ram from the card if necessary. Ssd drives as has been said do help with loading times definitely but once the programme/application is active it all comes down to ram and CPU.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian K. Lingard
Sent: 11 January 2019 11:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Dear Noah & List:

Running a screenreader adds a fair bit of work to a PC as you have a software synthesizer. You could offload the work of speaking by using a hardware synthesizer such as a Doubletalk or Triple talk. Your laptop needs SSD not a mechanical hard disk with 8, 16 or 32 GB RAM. 32 GB is best if you plan to do video and/or audio editing & recording. The PC at your school may have as little as one GB RAM and a slow CPU. Giving the laptop adequate RAM ids, more important that high-performance CPU. Look for a laptop with a fast, but not necessarily Intel I8 speed. An Intel I5 or six CPU should work fine. You consume CPU cycles a lot if you do sound or video editing, recalculate mammoth spreadsheets and run many programs concurrently.
Web browsing is light work for a PC.
Download the Belarc Advisor from HTTPS://www.belarc.com. Run it on the problem computers at school. Lists the CPU chip, installed RAM, software licenses, everything worth knowing about the PC. Also gives information on the SSD or Hard Disk. Program is free for personal use.
Brian K. Lingard

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: January 10, 2019 6:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Hi All,
I will need to get a laptop for school; however, the school machines cannot run NVDA plus Chrome and Word all at the same time without lagging.
What I need is a powerful machine that can handle email, office, and web Browsing, ETC. without wimping out on me while I am trying to do work. Do you have any recommendations for specs or any particular laptops that you might recommend?

Thanks,

Noah


Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Noah & List:

Running a screenreader adds a fair bit of work to a PC as you have a software synthesizer. You could offload the work of speaking by using a hardware synthesizer such as a Doubletalk or Triple talk. Your laptop needs SSD not a mechanical hard disk with 8, 16 or 32 GB RAM. 32 GB is best if you plan to do video and/or audio editing & recording. The PC at your school may have as little as one GB RAM and a slow CPU. Giving the laptop adequate RAM ids, more important that high-performance CPU. Look for a laptop with a fast, but not necessarily Intel I8 speed. An Intel I5 or six CPU should work fine. You consume CPU cycles a lot if you do sound or video editing, recalculate mammoth spreadsheets and run many programs concurrently.
Web browsing is light work for a PC.
Download the Belarc Advisor from HTTPS://www.belarc.com. Run it on the problem computers at school. Lists the CPU chip, installed RAM, software licenses, everything worth knowing about the PC. Also gives information on the SSD or Hard Disk. Program is free for personal use.
Brian K. Lingard

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: January 10, 2019 6:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Hi All,
I will need to get a laptop for school; however, the school machines cannot run NVDA plus Chrome and Word all at the same time without lagging.
What I need is a powerful machine that can handle email, office, and web Browsing, ETC. without wimping out on me while I am trying to do work. Do you have any recommendations for specs or any particular laptops that you might recommend?

Thanks,

Noah


Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Antony Stone
 

I disagree with "needs to have an SSD". It's nice, but it's not essential.
It improves startup time for the machine as a whole, and loading time for
applications, but doesn't affect how well applications run once they're loaded.

I agree with "as much RAM as you can afford / will fit". I'd say that is the
most important aspect of getting a machine to run well. Also, it's essential
that you have a 64-bit machine and a 64-bit version of Windows, otherwise the
machine simply will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM no matter how much is
fitted.

A CPU with several cores will help with running multiple applications - more
so than a particularly fast CPU.

So my list of priorities would be:

1. 64 bit CPU and 64 bit edition of Windows
2. Lots of RAM
3. Multi-core CPU
4. Fast CPU
5. SSD instead of HDD

Hope that helps,


Antony.

On Friday 11 January 2019 at 11:52:42, Brian K. Lingard wrote:

Dear Noah & List:

Your laptop needs SSD not a mechanical hard disk with 8, 16 or 32 GB RAM.
32 GB is best if you plan to do video and/or audio editing & recording.
The PC at your school may have as little as one GB RAM and a slow CPU.
Hiving the laptop adequate RAM ids, more important that high-performance
CPU. Look for a laptop with a fast, but not necessarily Intel I8 speed. An
Intel I55 or six CPU should work fine. You consume CPU cycles a lot if you
do sound or video editing, recalculate mammoth spreadsheets and run many
programs concurrently.

School computers may have as little as one or two GB RRAM and slow CPUs.
They are also several years old

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Noah
Carver via Groups.Io Sent: January 10, 2019 6:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Hi All,


I will need to get a laptop for school, however the school machines can
Not run NVDA plus Chrome and Word all at the same time without lagging.
What I need is a powerful machine that can handle email, office, and web
Browsing, ETC. without wimping out on me while I am trying to do work. Do
You have any recommendations for specs or any particular laptops that
You might recommend.


Thanks,


Noah
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Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Noah & List:

Your laptop needs SSD not a mechanical hard disk with 8, 16 or 32 GB RAM. 32 GB is best if you plan to do video and/or audio editing & recording. The PC at your school may have as little as one GB RAM and a slow CPU. Hiving the laptop adequate RAM ids, more important that high-performance CPU. Look for a laptop with a fast, but not necessarily Intel I8 speed. An Intel I55 or six CPU should work fine. You consume CPU cycles a lot if you do sound or video editing, recalculate mammoth spreadsheets and run many programs concurrently.

School computers may have as little as one or two GB RRAM and slow CPUs. They are also several years old

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: January 10, 2019 6:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Hi All,


I will need to get a laptop for school, however the school machines can
Not run NVDA plus Chrome and Word all at the same time without lagging.
What I need is a powerful machine that can handle email, office, and web
Browsing, ETC. without wimping out on me while I am trying to do work. Do
You have any recommendations for specs or any particular laptops that
You might recommend.


Thanks,


Noah


NVDA and gmail web interface - can't find the compose email dialog

Rusty Perez
 

Hey folks,
This has probably been discussed here, but this list is way to busy to
follow carefully. :)

I often use the mobile version of gmail since it's just easier for me
to use, but sometimes I need to use the full interface.
Lately, when I try to compose an email in the full gmail interface, I
press the button, and there's a "new messsage" dialog at the bottom of
the page, but I'm not taken to it and I can't figure out how to
compose my email there. :)

Any help is appreciated. Or, fi you just want to link me to a post or
something, that's fine!

thanks!
rusty


Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

With Chrome open, particularly if there are multiple tabs, but even if not, along with Word on a machine with 4GB RAM, even under Windows 7, one can expect "less than sprightly" performance.

4GB is the bare, bare minimum with even just a couple of modern programs running, which expect there to be more RAM breathing room than 4GB provides.

--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

No, but I can get that info. I know that with Chrome and Word open, the CPU was at about 85%. I have no idea about the particular CPU. The ram was 4 GB, and that was constantly at 2 to 3 GB with word and Chrome.

They were tablet laptops--ridiculously under powered, too. Even the sited kids said they were a pain, actually. I've been forced to use my personal laptop, which is against school policy.

On 1/10/2019 19:23, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Besides what Gene is saying, do you happen to know the specs for the school machines, which NVDA version you’re trying to use on them, and which Windows release they’re using?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

You don't need a powerful machine such as a gaming or a power user machine.  The problem isn't that you need a powerful machine, it may be that the machines you are using are significantly underpowered.  As a very rough estimate, I haven't priced computers for years, I would say that an approximately 500 dollar laptop should do what you want.  What synthesizer do you use with NVDA?  That may or may not make a difference and it may or may not mean that your school computers can do what you want.  But depending on the answer, you may want to test your school machines with another synthesizer before deciding if you have to buy one.

 

Also, what lags?  From what I've read, Word is often slow with NVDA.  Have you tried the lagging programs by themselves to make sure they don't lag when used on their own? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:53 PM

Subject: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

Hi All,


I will need to get a laptop for school, however the school machines can
not run NVDA plus Chrome and Word all at the same time without lagging.
What I need is a powerful machine that can handle email, office, web
browsing, ETC. without wimping out on me while I'm trying to do work. Do
you have any recommendations for specs or any particular laptops that
you might recommend?


Thanks,


Noah



Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

Hi,

Besides what Gene is saying, do you happen to know the specs for the school machines, which NVDA version you’re trying to use on them, and which Windows release they’re using?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 4:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

You don't need a powerful machine such as a gaming or a power user machine.  The problem isn't that you need a powerful machine, it may be that the machines you are using are significantly underpowered.  As a very rough estimate, I haven't priced computers for years, I would say that an approximately 500 dollar laptop should do what you want.  What synthesizer do you use with NVDA?  That may or may not make a difference and it may or may not mean that your school computers can do what you want.  But depending on the answer, you may want to test your school machines with another synthesizer before deciding if you have to buy one.

 

Also, what lags?  From what I've read, Word is often slow with NVDA.  Have you tried the lagging programs by themselves to make sure they don't lag when used on their own? 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:53 PM

Subject: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

Hi All,


I will need to get a laptop for school, however the school machines can
not run NVDA plus Chrome and Word all at the same time without lagging.
What I need is a powerful machine that can handle email, office, web
browsing, ETC. without wimping out on me while I'm trying to do work. Do
you have any recommendations for specs or any particular laptops that
you might recommend?


Thanks,


Noah



Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

Gene is correct.  NVDA is not a processing intensive application as that term is conventionally used.

I have a mid-level laptop (AMD A12-9700 APU and 12GB RAM) that has no problem with NVDA running on top of Firefox and Chrome running at once with many tabs open on each as well as having other programs such as MS-Word, PDF X-Change Viewer, Notepad, etc., up at the same time.

I'm using the OneCore voices and it was the same when I used SAPI-5 voices.
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Gene
 

You don't need a powerful machine such as a gaming or a power user machine.  The problem isn't that you need a powerful machine, it may be that the machines you are using are significantly underpowered.  As a very rough estimate, I haven't priced computers for years, I would say that an approximately 500 dollar laptop should do what you want.  What synthesizer do you use with NVDA?  That may or may not make a difference and it may or may not mean that your school computers can do what you want.  But depending on the answer, you may want to test your school machines with another synthesizer before deciding if you have to buy one.
 
Also, what lags?  From what I've read, Word is often slow with NVDA.  Have you tried the lagging programs by themselves to make sure they don't lag when used on their own? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Hi All,


I will need to get a laptop for school, however the school machines can
not run NVDA plus Chrome and Word all at the same time without lagging.
What I need is a powerful machine that can handle email, office, web
browsing, ETC. without wimping out on me while I'm trying to do work. Do
you have any recommendations for specs or any particular laptops that
you might recommend?


Thanks,


Noah




Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

Hi All,


I will need to get a laptop for school, however the school machines can not run NVDA plus Chrome and Word all at the same time without lagging. What I need is a powerful machine that can handle email, office, web browsing, ETC. without wimping out on me while I'm trying to do work. Do you have any recommendations for specs or any particular laptops that you might recommend?


Thanks,


Noah


Re: EyePal

Michael Munn
 

here is it.
michaelrbms@...

Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
 National Federation of Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind




On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 3:00 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hello Michael,
Would you please send me your email address? I can’t seem to get it from these messages.
Janet Brandly
   
 
From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] EyePal
 
Ok Sounds good. I do need one scaner that I can use instead of KNFB Reader. Email me separetly so I can provide you details. 
Thanks
Best Regards
Michael Munn
 
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
National Federation of Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind


 
 
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 6:51 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hello Michael and others,
 
The EyePal was/is manufactured by ABiSEE and is sold by FS and other dealers.
When I bought mine there were 2 types, a stand-alone version called the Solo and another type consisting of the camera and separate software to be installed onto a PC. I have the second type. I know the software was updated at least to support Windows 7 and that the camera could also be upgraded. I would be willing to give you the hardware (camera, supporting arm, USB cables etc.) as well as any documentation I have. You would have to contact their support department to update the software and info on modernizing the camera.
 
From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: EyePal, was : [nvda] Need help scanning books
 
Can you email me more detail about this piece of Technology?
II'm interested 
I can't afford getting it right now.
Are you Selling them?


Re: EyePal

Janet Brandly
 

Hello Michael,
Would you please send me your email address? I can’t seem to get it from these messages.
Janet Brandly
   
 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] EyePal
 
Ok Sounds good. I do need one scaner that I can use instead of KNFB Reader. Email me separetly so I can provide you details. 
Thanks
Best Regards
Michael Munn
 
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
National Federation of Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind


 
 
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 6:51 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hello Michael and others,
 
The EyePal was/is manufactured by ABiSEE and is sold by FS and other dealers.
When I bought mine there were 2 types, a stand-alone version called the Solo and another type consisting of the camera and separate software to be installed onto a PC. I have the second type. I know the software was updated at least to support Windows 7 and that the camera could also be upgraded. I would be willing to give you the hardware (camera, supporting arm, USB cables etc.) as well as any documentation I have. You would have to contact their support department to update the software and info on modernizing the camera.
 
From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: EyePal, was : [nvda] Need help scanning books
 
Can you email me more detail about this piece of Technology?
II'm interested 
I can't afford getting it right now.
Are you Selling them?


WG: [nvda-addons] [Nvda-devel] Help NV Access prioritize future work on NVDA

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

please forward this to your communities. It is of high importance.

Thanks and best regards
Adriani



-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io <nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io>
Im Auftrag von Alberto Buffolino
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 10. Januar 2019 09:50
An: nvda-addons@nvda-addons.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda-addons] [Nvda-devel] Help NV Access prioritize future work on
NVDA

-------- Messaggio Inoltrato --------
Oggetto: [Nvda-devel] Help NV Access prioritize future work on NVDA
Data: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 15:45:39 +1000
Mittente: Michael Curran <mick@nvaccess.org>
Rispondi-a: NVDA screen reader development
<nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
A: NVDA screen reader development <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>

Hi all,


NV Access would like to work with the community to identify the most
important bugs and feature requests for NVDA. With over 2000 open issues on
Github, it can be difficult for us to understand which issues are the most
hard hitting for the greatest amount of people.


By filling in this short survey, you can help us better prioritize our
future work.

Survey link:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScXTe1_l52wVsDdvJNpAQ7qiU7A141BaugI
8XuVxKz0A1TFNQ/viewform?usp=sf_link


As always, we make no promise that creating an issue or filling in this
survey will mean that your particular issues are addressed in a timely
manner, however we will look very carefully at this data, and prioritize our
work to ensure we provide positive impact to the greatest number of users.


Your answers will be annonymous. No identifying information will be asked
for in this survey.  However, by filling in this survey you are agreeing
that NV Access may make this data public for all to see.


Thank you for your help in improving NVDA.


Mick






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Re: Firefox Issues Concluded Continued

Gene
 

What do you want the organization to do for you?  I looked it up and it sounds, based on the information on the home page, as though it advocates and develops accessible interfaces for blind people.  It sounds as though you want instruction, perhaps tutorials on various subjects.  if you tell the list what you are looking for, you may get much better recommendations. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:01 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Issues Concluded Continued

Hi Brian, and others,

The group I referenced as suggested by Ricky Onsman of Intopia is
called, Knowbility. They are based in Austin, Texas, USA.

Travis, thanks for the web correction concerning WaterFox. Yes, I am
pleasantly surprised at their website.

I found my current version of NVDA is 2016.2. I have win7 without the
service pack. What recent NVDA version can one download who has my
type of situation: Asus computer, desktop, win7 64-bit.

I probably won't be able to replace it until 2020.  Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!



Firefox Issues Concluded Continued

David Russell
 

Hi Brian, and others,

The group I referenced as suggested by Ricky Onsman of Intopia is
called, Knowbility. They are based in Austin, Texas, USA.

Travis, thanks for the web correction concerning WaterFox. Yes, I am
pleasantly surprised at their website.

I found my current version of NVDA is 2016.2. I have win7 without the
service pack. What recent NVDA version can one download who has my
type of situation: Asus computer, desktop, win7 64-bit.

I probably won't be able to replace it until 2020. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!


Re: FireFox Issues Concluded

Gene
 

I haven't used Waterfox so I can't comment on that one.  Aside from what I said before about using the portable version of Firefox, Chrome is a good choice.  And you can have your current version of firefox on your machine if you want to use it for some specific sites and use Chrome or Waterfox for general browsing. 
 
Also, is there a reason you aren't using an e-mail program?  Blind people generally find e-mail programs to be more efficient and you can have an e-mail program work with GMail.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:53 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Issues Concluded

Hello Brian, Gene and others,

Just to alert, I did a system restore after downloading FF-60.4
because I could not read emails being composed, and navigating the
computer itself required a couple added steps that didn't always work.

I found the email address to Intopia, and resent request for the name
of the accessibility group they had recommended I contact based in
Texas. A Ricky Onsman replied and the group is called Nobility.org.

I will phone them as the email address provided did not work.

As to WaterFox, either the domain waterfox.com is for sale, or they
somehow want to verify who is at their site. I got a message saying
something wanted to make changes to my computer. I didn't go along. So
at the moment, am on FF-52 and seeking advisement on where to turn for
a better browser that won't screw things up. Thanks.

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david.sonofhashem@...



Re: Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

 

Joseph,

            I have used Focus Highlight almost since the first day I heard about it.  It makes life infinitely easier for myself or any sighted assistant when someone is using the screen reader.  As has already become obvious just in this topic, "where the screen reader goes next" is very often not at all where a sighted person would think it should based on how a page is visually laid out and would be visually scanned (and traveled) by someone who sees.

Brian G,

            The thing is that "how things have worked" is definitely not how things are going to continue working.  Object navigation as a part of the mix of standard access methods is only going to be on the increase.  Even if everything were 100% accessible, it's not necessarily going to be accessible in the manner than any of us here have traditionally been used to.

            There is nothing so constant as change, and nowhere is change more constant, and often more sweeping, than in the world of computers.

Jackie,

             I've used Golden Cursor, but it's really only useful once you've established what's actually present and where it's present.  As you've also noted, it depends on a window being maximized as this is the only way on a given machine, or another with precisely the same resolution, for the position to be consistent.

             I'm constantly trying to figure out how to do the standard kind of exploring with a screen reader that I do visually.  True independence in using a computer means being able to noodle around to find what you don't already know is there.  And I find it a real battle very often to convince my students that this is a skill they absolutely must develop.  Mind you, if you have a sighted assistant around and it's convenient, I believe in using the quickest method to get a time-constrained job done.  But often that means you're on your own and still have to find stuff, and knowing the mix of skills to do so quickly and efficiently, rather than using brute force approaches, is critical.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: Need help scanning books

Akshaya Choudhary
 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 06:24 AM, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote:
Fujitsu flatbed
cum automatic document feader scanner,
Mohib Anwar Rafay, how much did your scanner cost?
 
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