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WG: [nvda-addons] [Nvda-devel] Help NV Access prioritize future work on NVDA

Adriani Botez
 

Dear all,

please forward this to your communities. It is of high importance.

Thanks and best regards
Adriani



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Betreff: [nvda-addons] [Nvda-devel] Help NV Access prioritize future work on
NVDA

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Oggetto: [Nvda-devel] Help NV Access prioritize future work on NVDA
Data: Thu, 10 Jan 2019 15:45:39 +1000
Mittente: Michael Curran <mick@nvaccess.org>
Rispondi-a: NVDA screen reader development
<nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
A: NVDA screen reader development <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>

Hi all,


NV Access would like to work with the community to identify the most
important bugs and feature requests for NVDA. With over 2000 open issues on
Github, it can be difficult for us to understand which issues are the most
hard hitting for the greatest amount of people.


By filling in this short survey, you can help us better prioritize our
future work.

Survey link:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScXTe1_l52wVsDdvJNpAQ7qiU7A141BaugI
8XuVxKz0A1TFNQ/viewform?usp=sf_link


As always, we make no promise that creating an issue or filling in this
survey will mean that your particular issues are addressed in a timely
manner, however we will look very carefully at this data, and prioritize our
work to ensure we provide positive impact to the greatest number of users.


Your answers will be annonymous. No identifying information will be asked
for in this survey.  However, by filling in this survey you are agreeing
that NV Access may make this data public for all to see.


Thank you for your help in improving NVDA.


Mick






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Re: Firefox Issues Concluded Continued

Gene
 

What do you want the organization to do for you?  I looked it up and it sounds, based on the information on the home page, as though it advocates and develops accessible interfaces for blind people.  It sounds as though you want instruction, perhaps tutorials on various subjects.  if you tell the list what you are looking for, you may get much better recommendations. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:01 PM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] Firefox Issues Concluded Continued

Hi Brian, and others,

The group I referenced as suggested by Ricky Onsman of Intopia is
called, Knowbility. They are based in Austin, Texas, USA.

Travis, thanks for the web correction concerning WaterFox. Yes, I am
pleasantly surprised at their website.

I found my current version of NVDA is 2016.2. I have win7 without the
service pack. What recent NVDA version can one download who has my
type of situation: Asus computer, desktop, win7 64-bit.

I probably won't be able to replace it until 2020.  Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!



Firefox Issues Concluded Continued

David Russell
 

Hi Brian, and others,

The group I referenced as suggested by Ricky Onsman of Intopia is
called, Knowbility. They are based in Austin, Texas, USA.

Travis, thanks for the web correction concerning WaterFox. Yes, I am
pleasantly surprised at their website.

I found my current version of NVDA is 2016.2. I have win7 without the
service pack. What recent NVDA version can one download who has my
type of situation: Asus computer, desktop, win7 64-bit.

I probably won't be able to replace it until 2020. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com
"chilah phanim" Make G-d smile!


Re: FireFox Issues Concluded

Gene
 

I haven't used Waterfox so I can't comment on that one.  Aside from what I said before about using the portable version of Firefox, Chrome is a good choice.  And you can have your current version of firefox on your machine if you want to use it for some specific sites and use Chrome or Waterfox for general browsing. 
 
Also, is there a reason you aren't using an e-mail program?  Blind people generally find e-mail programs to be more efficient and you can have an e-mail program work with GMail.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:53 AM
To: nvda
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Issues Concluded

Hello Brian, Gene and others,

Just to alert, I did a system restore after downloading FF-60.4
because I could not read emails being composed, and navigating the
computer itself required a couple added steps that didn't always work.

I found the email address to Intopia, and resent request for the name
of the accessibility group they had recommended I contact based in
Texas. A Ricky Onsman replied and the group is called Nobility.org.

I will phone them as the email address provided did not work.

As to WaterFox, either the domain waterfox.com is for sale, or they
somehow want to verify who is at their site. I got a message saying
something wanted to make changes to my computer. I didn't go along. So
at the moment, am on FF-52 and seeking advisement on where to turn for
a better browser that won't screw things up. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...



Re: Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

 

Joseph,

            I have used Focus Highlight almost since the first day I heard about it.  It makes life infinitely easier for myself or any sighted assistant when someone is using the screen reader.  As has already become obvious just in this topic, "where the screen reader goes next" is very often not at all where a sighted person would think it should based on how a page is visually laid out and would be visually scanned (and traveled) by someone who sees.

Brian G,

            The thing is that "how things have worked" is definitely not how things are going to continue working.  Object navigation as a part of the mix of standard access methods is only going to be on the increase.  Even if everything were 100% accessible, it's not necessarily going to be accessible in the manner than any of us here have traditionally been used to.

            There is nothing so constant as change, and nowhere is change more constant, and often more sweeping, than in the world of computers.

Jackie,

             I've used Golden Cursor, but it's really only useful once you've established what's actually present and where it's present.  As you've also noted, it depends on a window being maximized as this is the only way on a given machine, or another with precisely the same resolution, for the position to be consistent.

             I'm constantly trying to figure out how to do the standard kind of exploring with a screen reader that I do visually.  True independence in using a computer means being able to noodle around to find what you don't already know is there.  And I find it a real battle very often to convince my students that this is a skill they absolutely must develop.  Mind you, if you have a sighted assistant around and it's convenient, I believe in using the quickest method to get a time-constrained job done.  But often that means you're on your own and still have to find stuff, and knowing the mix of skills to do so quickly and efficiently, rather than using brute force approaches, is critical.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Need help scanning books

Akshaya Choudhary
 

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 06:24 AM, Mohib Anwar Rafay wrote:
Fujitsu flatbed
cum automatic document feader scanner,
Mohib Anwar Rafay, how much did your scanner cost?
 
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Regards,
Sociohack


Re: Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

 

Hi,

Short of revisiting graphics labeler issue on GitHub (yes, there is such an issue at the moment), I advise contacting the app vendor about unlabeled graphics. If they say they’ll fix it, great; if not, let us (NVDA developers) know so we can try reproducing it (provided that we get some developer info about the control in question by pressing NVDA+F1).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Peter Beasley
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 9:19 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

 

What are we suppoled to do when we hear something like graphic wrecked angle contains link?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: 10 January 2019 17:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

 

Hi,

For cases like this, I recommend using Focus Highlight add-on (if you aren’t using it yet), as that one helps folks with testing object navigation related things and such (there is a research project to bring that to NVDA directly, but too early to talk about the details yet).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

 

Jackie,

            I have tried the object navigation command - no dice; NVDA says "No Action."  The control itself is visually presented as a link.  If I use the Report Current Object command (NVDA+NumPad5), it says, "Clone this disc, text, read only."

            I just tried the route mouse to navigator object command, followed by the NVDA left click command and also using the actual left click on my mouse pad, an this works!

            I find it utterly bizarre how NVDA navigates through the pane in question.  I get focus on what is the first control at the top, and use the navigate to next object and there is "no next."  But if I use navigate to previous object it starts going through controls lower down on the page, which is entirely counterintuitive.  Of course, I'm quite sure this is dependent on the code that NVDA is dealing with in Macrium, as opposed to NVDA itself.

             What's even weirder, and this wasn't happening earlier, is that I cannot consistently "object navigate" the Macrium Reflect window.  If I fire up the program after searching for it, then ALT+TAB to the window, NVDA tells me nothing at all once I have focus on it.  If I hit ALT to make focus go to the menus I do get reports on that, but afterward I still can't seem to object navigate to the panes, and I could swear I had done it that way earlier this morning.

              Object Navigation will keep becoming a much bigger deal with time.  I think that the battle to get developers to understand accessibility under this paradigm is going to be a challenge.

               Thank you very much for your assistance.  I'll report back as additional time for experimentation allows.

            

            
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Re: Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

Peter Beasley
 

What are we suppoled to do when we hear something like graphic wrecked angle contains link?

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Joseph Lee
Sent: 10 January 2019 17:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

 

Hi,

For cases like this, I recommend using Focus Highlight add-on (if you aren’t using it yet), as that one helps folks with testing object navigation related things and such (there is a research project to bring that to NVDA directly, but too early to talk about the details yet).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

 

Jackie,

            I have tried the object navigation command - no dice; NVDA says "No Action."  The control itself is visually presented as a link.  If I use the Report Current Object command (NVDA+NumPad5), it says, "Clone this disc, text, read only."

            I just tried the route mouse to navigator object command, followed by the NVDA left click command and also using the actual left click on my mouse pad, an this works!

            I find it utterly bizarre how NVDA navigates through the pane in question.  I get focus on what is the first control at the top, and use the navigate to next object and there is "no next."  But if I use navigate to previous object it starts going through controls lower down on the page, which is entirely counterintuitive.  Of course, I'm quite sure this is dependent on the code that NVDA is dealing with in Macrium, as opposed to NVDA itself.

             What's even weirder, and this wasn't happening earlier, is that I cannot consistently "object navigate" the Macrium Reflect window.  If I fire up the program after searching for it, then ALT+TAB to the window, NVDA tells me nothing at all once I have focus on it.  If I hit ALT to make focus go to the menus I do get reports on that, but afterward I still can't seem to object navigate to the panes, and I could swear I had done it that way earlier this morning.

              Object Navigation will keep becoming a much bigger deal with time.  I think that the battle to get developers to understand accessibility under this paradigm is going to be a challenge.

               Thank you very much for your assistance.  I'll report back as additional time for experimentation allows.

            

            
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 


Re: Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

Jackie
 

PS--you might wanna consider the Golden Cursor addon to see if you can
save mouse hotspots for navigation. Obviously, since you're sighted,
you yourself won't need that, but perhaps a student of yours down the
line might.

On 1/10/19, Jackie McBride <abletec@gmail.com> wrote:
Be sure to always maximize the window, Brian V, but, having thus said,
sometimes--indeed most of the time--that isn't always very helpful.
It's a real pita when programs are like that.

On 1/10/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I agree. Until developers grasp the nettle and begin to design access in
you

will get silly situations like this one. I've found many places when you
get

buttons navigating and the action to press them only works with a mouse.
Its

ridiculous.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Calling All Object Navigation Experts!


Jackie,

I have tried the object navigation command - no dice; NVDA says "No
Action."

The control itself is visually presented as a link. If I use the Report
Current Object command (NVDA+NumPad5), it says, "Clone this disc, text,
read

only."

I just tried the route mouse to navigator object command, followed by the
NVDA left click command and also using the actual left click on my mouse
pad, an this works!

I find it utterly bizarre how NVDA navigates through the pane in question.
I

get focus on what is the first control at the top, and use the navigate
to
next object and there is "no next." But if I use navigate to previous
object

it starts going through controls lower down on the page, which is
entirely
counterintuitive. Of course, I'm quite sure this is dependent on the code
that NVDA is dealing with in Macrium, as opposed to NVDA itself.

What's even weirder, and this wasn't happening earlier, is that I cannot
consistently "object navigate" the Macrium Reflect window. If I fire up
the

program after searching for it, then ALT+TAB to the window, NVDA tells me
nothing at all once I have focus on it. If I hit ALT to make focus go to
the

menus I do get reports on that, but afterward I still can't seem to
object
navigate to the panes, and I could swear I had done it that way earlier
this

morning.

Object Navigation will keep becoming a much bigger deal with time. I
think
that the battle to get developers to understand accessibility under this
paradigm is going to be a challenge.

Thank you very much for your assistance. I'll report back as additional
time

for experimentation allows.




--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need
for

illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back








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Re: Need help scanning books

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Socio Hack & List:

 

If you wish to scan many bound books, a flatbed Book Edge scanner will make the job easier and help you scan closer to the boo’s spine.

 

I believe ‘Book Edge Scanners last better than cheaper ones.

 

However, we all have a budget to live within, even our favorite Uncle, Sam.

Brian K. Lingard

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 10, 2019 9:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help scanning books

 

There is no Kurzweil scanner.  Kurzweil sells OCR programs. 

 

As I said, if you don't care if the binding of books is bent, Epson scans well. 

 

I assume you are already using an OCR program.

Gene

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From: the h

Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 8:03 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help scanning books

 

Hello Gene,

Kurzweil seems a bit expensive for me. However, Epson Perfection series is in the right price range. Can it be reliably used for scanning books?

In addition, what other flatbed scanners specific for scanning books you were talking about? Can you provide some names?
-- Regards, Sociohack


Re: Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

Jackie
 

Be sure to always maximize the window, Brian V, but, having thus said,
sometimes--indeed most of the time--that isn't always very helpful.
It's a real pita when programs are like that.

On 1/10/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
I agree. Until developers grasp the nettle and begin to design access in you

will get silly situations like this one. I've found many places when you get

buttons navigating and the action to press them only works with a mouse. Its

ridiculous.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Calling All Object Navigation Experts!


Jackie,

I have tried the object navigation command - no dice; NVDA says "No Action."

The control itself is visually presented as a link. If I use the Report
Current Object command (NVDA+NumPad5), it says, "Clone this disc, text, read

only."

I just tried the route mouse to navigator object command, followed by the
NVDA left click command and also using the actual left click on my mouse
pad, an this works!

I find it utterly bizarre how NVDA navigates through the pane in question. I

get focus on what is the first control at the top, and use the navigate to
next object and there is "no next." But if I use navigate to previous object

it starts going through controls lower down on the page, which is entirely
counterintuitive. Of course, I'm quite sure this is dependent on the code
that NVDA is dealing with in Macrium, as opposed to NVDA itself.

What's even weirder, and this wasn't happening earlier, is that I cannot
consistently "object navigate" the Macrium Reflect window. If I fire up the

program after searching for it, then ALT+TAB to the window, NVDA tells me
nothing at all once I have focus on it. If I hit ALT to make focus go to the

menus I do get reports on that, but afterward I still can't seem to object
navigate to the panes, and I could swear I had done it that way earlier this

morning.

Object Navigation will keep becoming a much bigger deal with time. I think
that the battle to get developers to understand accessibility under this
paradigm is going to be a challenge.

Thank you very much for your assistance. I'll report back as additional time

for experimentation allows.




--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for

illusion is deep.*

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Re: Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I agree. Until developers grasp the nettle and begin to design access in you will get silly situations like this one. I've found many places when you get buttons navigating and the action to press them only works with a mouse. Its ridiculous.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Calling All Object Navigation Experts!


Jackie,

I have tried the object navigation command - no dice; NVDA says "No Action." The control itself is visually presented as a link. If I use the Report Current Object command (NVDA+NumPad5), it says, "Clone this disc, text, read only."

I just tried the route mouse to navigator object command, followed by the NVDA left click command and also using the actual left click on my mouse pad, an this works!

I find it utterly bizarre how NVDA navigates through the pane in question. I get focus on what is the first control at the top, and use the navigate to next object and there is "no next." But if I use navigate to previous object it starts going through controls lower down on the page, which is entirely counterintuitive. Of course, I'm quite sure this is dependent on the code that NVDA is dealing with in Macrium, as opposed to NVDA itself.

What's even weirder, and this wasn't happening earlier, is that I cannot consistently "object navigate" the Macrium Reflect window. If I fire up the program after searching for it, then ALT+TAB to the window, NVDA tells me nothing at all once I have focus on it. If I hit ALT to make focus go to the menus I do get reports on that, but afterward I still can't seem to object navigate to the panes, and I could swear I had done it that way earlier this morning.

Object Navigation will keep becoming a much bigger deal with time. I think that the battle to get developers to understand accessibility under this paradigm is going to be a challenge.

Thank you very much for your assistance. I'll report back as additional time for experimentation allows.




--

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*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

I generally find that nvda/keypad enter works on most dodgy controls, however to even need to use this kind of navigation means that the controls are not being seen in any standard way or nvda would just work with them as is.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 3:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] Calling All Object Navigation Experts!


As I am not one, and am trying to determine whether I'm doing something wrong or if Macrium Reflect is actually inaccessible even though I can get focus on what is a control for me as a sighted person.

If anyone believes a conversation can be had about this here on the group I'd be happy to have it. If anyone wants to offer assistance to me via NVDA remote, Quick Assist, or TeamViewer, that would be fine, too.

I eventually need to "wrap my head around" object navigation and also be able to tell whether something is inaccessible or if I've probably made a bone headed mistake. Right now I can object navigate to the control I'm looking to work with, but cannot seem to activate it.

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Re: FireFox Issues Concluded

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well I'm at a loss to know why you seem to have issues with firefox. I can almost guarantee if you use the right address for the waterfox browser you will be very pleasantly surprised.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Russell" <david.sonofhashem@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 2:53 PM
Subject: [nvda] FireFox Issues Concluded


Hello Brian, Gene and others,

Just to alert, I did a system restore after downloading FF-60.4
because I could not read emails being composed, and navigating the
computer itself required a couple added steps that didn't always work.

I found the email address to Intopia, and resent request for the name
of the accessibility group they had recommended I contact based in
Texas. A Ricky Onsman replied and the group is called Nobility.org.

I will phone them as the email address provided did not work.

As to WaterFox, either the domain waterfox.com is for sale, or they
somehow want to verify who is at their site. I got a message saying
something wanted to make changes to my computer. I didn't go along. So
at the moment, am on FF-52 and seeking advisement on where to turn for
a better browser that won't screw things up. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@gmail.com


Re: Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

 

Hi,

For cases like this, I recommend using Focus Highlight add-on (if you aren’t using it yet), as that one helps folks with testing object navigation related things and such (there is a research project to bring that to NVDA directly, but too early to talk about the details yet).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 9:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

 

Jackie,

            I have tried the object navigation command - no dice; NVDA says "No Action."  The control itself is visually presented as a link.  If I use the Report Current Object command (NVDA+NumPad5), it says, "Clone this disc, text, read only."

            I just tried the route mouse to navigator object command, followed by the NVDA left click command and also using the actual left click on my mouse pad, an this works!

            I find it utterly bizarre how NVDA navigates through the pane in question.  I get focus on what is the first control at the top, and use the navigate to next object and there is "no next."  But if I use navigate to previous object it starts going through controls lower down on the page, which is entirely counterintuitive.  Of course, I'm quite sure this is dependent on the code that NVDA is dealing with in Macrium, as opposed to NVDA itself.

             What's even weirder, and this wasn't happening earlier, is that I cannot consistently "object navigate" the Macrium Reflect window.  If I fire up the program after searching for it, then ALT+TAB to the window, NVDA tells me nothing at all once I have focus on it.  If I hit ALT to make focus go to the menus I do get reports on that, but afterward I still can't seem to object navigate to the panes, and I could swear I had done it that way earlier this morning.

              Object Navigation will keep becoming a much bigger deal with time.  I think that the battle to get developers to understand accessibility under this paradigm is going to be a challenge.

               Thank you very much for your assistance.  I'll report back as additional time for experimentation allows.

            

            
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Re: Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

 

Jackie,

            I have tried the object navigation command - no dice; NVDA says "No Action."  The control itself is visually presented as a link.  If I use the Report Current Object command (NVDA+NumPad5), it says, "Clone this disc, text, read only."

            I just tried the route mouse to navigator object command, followed by the NVDA left click command and also using the actual left click on my mouse pad, an this works!

            I find it utterly bizarre how NVDA navigates through the pane in question.  I get focus on what is the first control at the top, and use the navigate to next object and there is "no next."  But if I use navigate to previous object it starts going through controls lower down on the page, which is entirely counterintuitive.  Of course, I'm quite sure this is dependent on the code that NVDA is dealing with in Macrium, as opposed to NVDA itself.

             What's even weirder, and this wasn't happening earlier, is that I cannot consistently "object navigate" the Macrium Reflect window.  If I fire up the program after searching for it, then ALT+TAB to the window, NVDA tells me nothing at all once I have focus on it.  If I hit ALT to make focus go to the menus I do get reports on that, but afterward I still can't seem to object navigate to the panes, and I could swear I had done it that way earlier this morning.

              Object Navigation will keep becoming a much bigger deal with time.  I think that the battle to get developers to understand accessibility under this paradigm is going to be a challenge.

               Thank you very much for your assistance.  I'll report back as additional time for experimentation allows.

            

            
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: FireFox Issues Concluded

Kwork
 

That is not the correct domain for Waterfox. Where you actually want to go is

https://www.waterfoxproject.org

Travis

On 1/10/2019 7:53 AM, David Russell wrote:
Hello Brian, Gene and others,

Just to alert, I did a system restore after downloading FF-60.4
because I could not read emails being composed, and navigating the
computer itself required a couple added steps that didn't always work.

I found the email address to Intopia, and resent request for the name
of the accessibility group they had recommended I contact based in
Texas. A Ricky Onsman replied and the group is called Nobility.org.

I will phone them as the email address provided did not work.

As to WaterFox, either the domain waterfox.com is for sale, or they
somehow want to verify who is at their site. I got a message saying
something wanted to make changes to my computer. I didn't go along. So
at the moment, am on FF-52 and seeking advisement on where to turn for
a better browser that won't screw things up. Thanks.


Re: Calling All Object Navigation Experts!

Jackie
 

Hi, Brian V. Once you've object navigated to a control, have you tried
NVDA+shift+m (laptop) or NVDA+numpad-divide (desktop) to bring your
mouse there? At that point hopefully you can do a left click on the
object to activate it, or possibly an object activation command (NVDA
numpad enter on desktop, NVDA enter on laptop).

I'll help in any way I can if that doesn't resolve your difficulties.

On 1/10/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
As I am not one, and am trying to determine whether I'm doing something
wrong or if Macrium Reflect is actually inaccessible even though I can get
focus on what is a control for me as a sighted person.

If anyone believes a conversation can be had about this here on the group
I'd be happy to have it.   If anyone wants to offer assistance to me via
NVDA remote, Quick Assist, or TeamViewer, that would be fine, too.

I eventually need to "wrap my head around" object navigation and also be
able to tell whether something is inaccessible or if I've probably made a
bone headed mistake.  Right now I can object navigate to the control I'm
looking to work with, but cannot seem to activate it.

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illusion is deep.*

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Re: speaking passwords instead of star

 

Giles,

            Would you mind sharing the website in question?  I might be able to snag it even if I try doing a completely faux login.  In most cases it looks just like the character used for round bullets in a bulleted list, but who knows.

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Re: speaking passwords instead of star

Giles Turnbull
 

I have a related problem. I programmed the circle symbol that is used in place of the asterisk into the NVDA dictionary so that it says star star star star for a 4 digit PIN. After a recent Windows update I suspect they must have changed the circle character used to obscure the password ... if I left cursor back a character it says "circle" but I can't copy the circle to program it into the default dictionary so that NVDA speaks "star" again!

Does anybody have any suggestions about which circle character is being used? I tried running speech viewer on the logon screen but that didn't record anything either with regards to the password symbol.

Giles