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Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Tyler Wood
 

The fact of the matter is that most of the processors these days are way overkill for just about 99% of people. General slang is that anything below an i5 or i7 quote on quote sucks. It does not. There are machines from 2010-2011 that, even in this day and age are still running reasonably well for web browsing and the like. Allow yourself some growth but there is no need to go hog wild. A nice balance is key.


Me, for instance, I have a surface book for my portable workhorse. It has 8 gb of ram and 256 gb of solid state storage. It's 4 years old now and has a 6th generation i5. It still runs beautifully and the build quality is outstanding. It came with none of the bloatware that other manufacturers send out because it is a Microsoft product.


On 1/11/2019 2:55 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 02:05 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
So for me I would build a pc thus
Sarah, you have been a voice of reason in this exchange overall.  But the central point, which only this post seems to partially miss, is that "for me" is just that.

Each and every user should carefully consider what their intended use or uses of their computer is and what those require hardware wise.  What fits you, or me, or anyone else like a glove may not fit another well.

Also, I support leaving some room for growth, too, but even the base system you described for your build is just gross overkill for my needs, and always would be in the foreseeable future (who knows, it could become utterly insufficient, but I can't see that in the near term).

Even if someone can afford the latest Intel or AMD CPU, it's an utter waste if all they're going to do is web browse, e-mail, edit some documents, and, perhaps, stream occasionally.

Tool to task, and all that.
 
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Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 02:05 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
So for me I would build a pc thus
Sarah, you have been a voice of reason in this exchange overall.  But the central point, which only this post seems to partially miss, is that "for me" is just that.

Each and every user should carefully consider what their intended use or uses of their computer is and what those require hardware wise.  What fits you, or me, or anyone else like a glove may not fit another well.

Also, I support leaving some room for growth, too, but even the base system you described for your build is just gross overkill for my needs, and always would be in the foreseeable future (who knows, it could become utterly insufficient, but I can't see that in the near term).

Even if someone can afford the latest Intel or AMD CPU, it's an utter waste if all they're going to do is web browse, e-mail, edit some documents, and, perhaps, stream occasionally.

Tool to task, and all that.
 
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Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have 32 gb of ram in my system. Why? Because by the time I'm done running everything I'm running I have about 4 free. Plus it is a good idea to future proof. SSDs are good as well as it will minimize heat coming from the system. I can already tell this. I run obs, a capture card, my games, nvda, and a bit more and my system flies. If you have a capture card that takes 8 gigs of ram, so if you have 8 gigs of ram only, your system might complain at you. So for me I would build a pc thus

  1. As much ram as you can afford
  2. As much ssd drives ad you can afford
  3. The fastest processor you can afford
  4. the fastest graphics card you can afford, mine has 6 gigs of memory.

I won't touch a computer with any less than 8 to 16 gigs of memory and windows 10 pro.

On 11 Jan 2019, at 6:08, Tyler Wood wrote:

Hi,

Intel Pentium processors can run all of that just fine paired with 8 gb of ram. An i3 can run it, too. This falsehood that an i5 or i7 processor is always the answer really needs to stop.


A solid state drive, however, does make an enormous difference so investing in a machine with one, especially if you'll be keeping it long term, really is a great idea.


On 1/11/2019 9:05 AM, Gene wrote:
That is a general statement and is not correct if you run a synthesizer that is not computer intensive.  I don't know how much more work it is to run an intensive synthesizer but because of slower response time while working with one, many blind people run a very responsive synthesizer such as Eloquence for actual working with the computer.  They use one of the newer more intensive synthesizers for listening to things where they will be just listening such as reading a book. 
 
A screen-reader when used with a synthesizer like Eloquence is not intensive.  I don't know whether an SSD increases responsiveness of the newer kind of synthesizer but my point is that you needn't buy a much more expensive machine to use a screen-reader as I've described.  If you do, and if you benefit from doing so when you use a more intensive synthesizer for everything, you then have to consider the extra money you spent on the computer as part of the cost of the synthesizer and it may be unreasonable.  I'm also not saying that getting a really fast computer would make newer synthesizers more responsive, I don't know.  I'm talking about cost/benefit.
 
Gene
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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 5:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Dear Noah & List:

Running a screenreader adds a fair bit of work to a PC as you have a software synthesizer. You could offload the work of speaking by using a hardware synthesizer such as a Doubletalk or Triple talk. Your laptop needs SSD not a mechanical hard disk with 8, 16 or 32 GB RAM. 32 GB is best if you plan to do video and/or audio editing & recording. The PC at your school may have as little as one GB RAM and a slow CPU. Giving the laptop adequate RAM ids, more important that high-performance CPU. Look for a laptop with a fast, but not necessarily Intel I8 speed. An Intel I5 or six CPU should work fine. You consume CPU cycles a lot if you do sound or video editing, recalculate mammoth spreadsheets and run many programs concurrently.
Web browsing is light work for a PC.
Download the Belarc Advisor from HTTPS://www.belarc.com. Run it on the problem computers at school. Lists the CPU chip, installed RAM, software licenses, everything worth knowing about the PC. Also gives information on the SSD or Hard Disk. Program is free for personal use.
Brian K. Lingard

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Noah Carver via Groups.Io
Sent: January 10, 2019 6:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Hi All,
I will need to get a laptop for school; however, the school machines cannot run NVDA plus Chrome and Word all at the same time without lagging.
What I need is a powerful machine that can handle email, office, and web Browsing, ETC. without wimping out on me while I am trying to do work. Do you have any recommendations for specs or any particular laptops that you might recommend?

Thanks,

Noah




Re: Uninstall Norton Anti Virus

Rui Fontes
 

And why not using the OCR feature?

Rui


Às 17:24 de 11/01/2019, Brian Vogel escreveu:

One can never swear that anything will necessarily work with the screen reader, but it's worth going to the Norton Remove and Reinstall Tool <https://support.norton.com/sp/en/us/home/current/solutions/v60392881_EndUserProfile_en_us> page, downloading it, and trying it as your removal method.
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EyePal

Janet Brandly
 

Hi Michael,
Thanks for getting back to me. I’ll gather up all the bits and pieces and get back to you when I’ve got things together.
Jan
 

From: Michael Munn
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2019 1:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] EyePal
 
here is it.
michaelrbms@...
 
Michael Munn
Member: Virginia Association of Blind students
National Federation of Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind


 
 
On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 3:00 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hello Michael,
Would you please send me your email address? I can’t seem to get it from these messages.
Janet Brandly
   
 
From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 7:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] EyePal
 
Ok Sounds good. I do need one scaner that I can use instead of KNFB Reader. Email me separetly so I can provide you details. 
Thanks
Best Regards
Michael Munn
 
Michael Munn
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National Federation of Virginia   www.nfbv.org
Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students
National Federation of Maryland www.nfbmd.org
Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind


 
 
On Wed, Jan 9, 2019 at 6:51 PM Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hello Michael and others,
 
The EyePal was/is manufactured by ABiSEE and is sold by FS and other dealers.
When I bought mine there were 2 types, a stand-alone version called the Solo and another type consisting of the camera and separate software to be installed onto a PC. I have the second type. I know the software was updated at least to support Windows 7 and that the camera could also be upgraded. I would be willing to give you the hardware (camera, supporting arm, USB cables etc.) as well as any documentation I have. You would have to contact their support department to update the software and info on modernizing the camera.
 
From: Michael Munn
Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2019 3:25 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: EyePal, was : [nvda] Need help scanning books
 
Can you email me more detail about this piece of Technology?
II'm interested 
I can't afford getting it right now.
Are you Selling them?

Re: Slightly OT: Hardware speech synthesizer

Felix G.
 

Hello,
thank you for the great advice. TripleTalk USB Mini looks promising.
In any case, I now know the territory a bit more.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 11. Jan. 2019 um 17:23 Uhr schrieb Devin Prater
<r.d.t.prater@...>:


On modern computers, I don’t see much of a benefit to it, unless you’re using Emacspeak where the hardware DecTalk is still a good experience with it. On older computers, or computers with fussy sound cards, it may be a good experience.

On Jan 11, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

The real question though is this. Can they be more efficient in real terms than the inbuilt espeak?
I did some tests back in the xp days when I had access to one, and to me at least there was nothing much in it.
Of course the old interface used a serial port on my old computer, so it could well be that this ancient device was a bottleneck.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Hardware speech synthesizer


Dear Felix & List:

I believe the triple talk synthesizer is still manufactured. So is the Votrax Personal Speech System by the Federal Screw Works.
Brian K. Lingard


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Felix G.
Sent: January 11, 2019 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Slightly OT: Hardware speech synthesizer

Hello everyone,
I am thinking of getting a hardware speech synthesizer because I feel it might improve my efficiency by making me independent of existing sound resources on machines. I am aware hardware speech synthesizers are an ancient concept, so I would like to ask around are they still being manufactured for end users. If so, which ones are being produced as I am writing this?
All the best,
Felix








Re: Uninstall Norton Anti Virus

 

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 12:22 PM, marcio wrote:
Have you ever tried using object navigation?
An excellent suggestion as well.  This is a technique that will continue gaining prominence in the Windows 10 era.
 
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Re: Uninstall Norton Anti Virus

 

One can never swear that anything will necessarily work with the screen reader, but it's worth going to the Norton Remove and Reinstall Tool page, downloading it, and trying it as your removal method.
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Re: Uninstall Norton Anti Virus

 

Have you ever tried using object navigation?
I always do it every time I have something like you're describing.
Cheers,
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Em 11/01/2019 15:18, Morne van der Merwe escreveu:

Good day list,

�

I have an Acer laptop with Windows 10 and the latest version of NVDA.

�

Norton Anti Virus is pre-installed on this Acer laptop.� I would like to use Windows Defender instead.�

�

I tried to uninstalled Norton with no success.� I followed the steps whitch you would follow to uninstall a program.� NVDA doesn�t give me any feedback after I hit enter to uninstall Norton. I tried Golden Cursor to read the screen also with no success.

�

Is there a way to uninstall Norton while NVDA is giving feedback?

�

Any help would be appreciated.

�

Kind regards

Morn�


Uninstall Norton Anti Virus

Morne van der Merwe
 

Good day list,

 

I have an Acer laptop with Windows 10 and the latest version of NVDA.

 

Norton Anti Virus is pre-installed on this Acer laptop.  I would like to use Windows Defender instead. 

 

I tried to uninstalled Norton with no success.  I followed the steps whitch you would follow to uninstall a program.  NVDA doesn’t give me any feedback after I hit enter to uninstall Norton. I tried Golden Cursor to read the screen also with no success.

 

Is there a way to uninstall Norton while NVDA is giving feedback?

 

Any help would be appreciated.

 

Kind regards

Morné

Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Gene
 

This doesn't sound to me like a computer power problem.  It sounds to me like the slowness in Word problem that NVDA has and which Joseph Lee says is being worked on now.  Older versions of Word, based on your comments, are likely not to interact with NvDA in ways that either cause this problem or make it as acute as newer versions.  There is no reason why a word processor should take a lot of computer power and Word, any version, should run well on any reasonably adequate Windows 10 machine. 
 
Gene

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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 10:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Yes, i find 8 gigs OK with a four core processor myself. It was in 2016 a
very good machine, and it still is, but things seem  to have once again gone
up a notch. It has always been my view that the programmers of big bits of
software have not been worrying about the efficiency of their code and we
end up with problems.
 I did try a newer version of word, but it is like paint trying compared to
the old one.
 I'm beginning to think sometimes programmers assume that only their
software will be running!
 Brian

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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:41 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications


With Chrome open, particularly if there are multiple tabs, but even if not,
along with Word on a machine with 4GB RAM, even under Windows 7, one can
expect "less than sprightly" performance.

4GB is the bare, bare minimum with even just a couple of modern programs
running, which expect there to be more RAM breathing room than 4GB provides.

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Re: Slightly OT: Hardware speech synthesizer

Devin Prater
 

On modern computers, I don’t see much of a benefit to it, unless you’re using Emacspeak where the hardware DecTalk is still a good experience with it. On older computers, or computers with fussy sound cards, it may be a good experience.

On Jan 11, 2019, at 10:19 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:

The real question though is this. Can they be more efficient in real terms than the inbuilt espeak?
I did some tests back in the xp days when I had access to one, and to me at least there was nothing much in it.
Of course the old interface used a serial port on my old computer, so it could well be that this ancient device was a bottleneck.
Brian

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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Hardware speech synthesizer


Dear Felix & List:

I believe the triple talk synthesizer is still manufactured. So is the Votrax Personal Speech System by the Federal Screw Works.
Brian K. Lingard


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Felix G.
Sent: January 11, 2019 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Slightly OT: Hardware speech synthesizer

Hello everyone,
I am thinking of getting a hardware speech synthesizer because I feel it might improve my efficiency by making me independent of existing sound resources on machines. I am aware hardware speech synthesizers are an ancient concept, so I would like to ask around are they still being manufactured for end users. If so, which ones are being produced as I am writing this?
All the best,
Felix






Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, I keep forgetting I can't just paste BBCODE for links into Groups.io.  I think you can still follow that previous post, though.

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Re: Slightly OT: Hardware speech synthesizer

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The real question though is this. Can they be more efficient in real terms than the inbuilt espeak?
I did some tests back in the xp days when I had access to one, and to me at least there was nothing much in it.
Of course the old interface used a serial port on my old computer, so it could well be that this ancient device was a bottleneck.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Slightly OT: Hardware speech synthesizer


Dear Felix & List:

I believe the triple talk synthesizer is still manufactured. So is the Votrax Personal Speech System by the Federal Screw Works.
Brian K. Lingard


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Felix G.
Sent: January 11, 2019 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Slightly OT: Hardware speech synthesizer

Hello everyone,
I am thinking of getting a hardware speech synthesizer because I feel it might improve my efficiency by making me independent of existing sound resources on machines. I am aware hardware speech synthesizers are an ancient concept, so I would like to ask around are they still being manufactured for end users. If so, which ones are being produced as I am writing this?
All the best,
Felix

Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

 

On Fri, Jan 11, 2019 at 11:15 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
comes crammed with bloatware as well which somebody knowledgeable should remove.
I've pretty much come around to the view that one of the best things anyone can do to get as clean a slate they can, if a machine comes with Windows 10 installed, is [URL=https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/forums/t/667627/doing-a-completely-clean-install-of-windows-10/][i]Doing a Completely Clean Install of Windows 10[/i][/URL] as the first order of business.

Windows 10, as downloaded from the Microsoft site using the Media Creation Tool, is as spic n' span a version of Windows 10 that exists and it can be used to give you a very clean starting point, devoid of bloatware of any kind.
 
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Re: speaking passwords instead of star

 

I never use this kind of button. Seriously, I'm very careful when it comes to passwords.
I always wonder why people want a button to show their passwords on screen if they know what they are typing.
Anyway, back to the passwords as beep tones, I'm sure it would be too easy to do if anyone who know how to do it is interested. It's a matter of spread this idea, I guess.

Cheers,
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Em 11/01/2019 14:07, Brian Vogel escreveu:

Just confirmed my theory that the password characters themselves will be spoken if one activates the "Show Password" button when it's available, and they're becoming more and more available.

Test was done on the login page for Gmail webmail.
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Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

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One thing to watch for these days is the machine with a hard drive smaller than 250gb. I see some awful ones at companies like Argos, for example with hardly enough drive space for windows and a few applications. it often comes crammed with bloatware as well which somebody knowledgeable should remove.

Brian

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Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications


As much RAM as you can afford? There is a mistique about RAM and this illogical statement is part of it, which I see often. You don't need 12gb, 16gb, 32gb of RAM to use the kinds of programs specified in the message. For people who use the kinds of programs discussed in the original message, and that's the majority of users who don't use memory intensive programs, the typical standard practice of manufacturers today of including 8gb of RAM is sufficient or more than sufficient.

What's the point of getting 16gb of RAM if you won't use more than 4 or 6GB?

I also strongly disagree with the SSD specifdication for the uses of the computer specified in the original question. The person who asked didn't say he would be doing any of the things specified. I'm not saying not to get a machine with an SSD, Others who know more about what is being sold today can discuss choices further. I'm not saying not to get a machine with an SSD, I'm saying that if it means spending significantly more for getting a machine that is equivalent in other ways, then the question of whether it is worth getting the SSD is worth the extra money has to be considered. I never worked with an SSD machine but I doubt that it matters significantly for the programs being specified. Once they load, they run in RAM. Documents would load faster in Word, I would think but but that's not what takes time when you use Word. It's actually writing or editing the document. Word, for example, wold load faster but aggain, after it is loaded the real time you spend with the program is working with it editing and writing and doing other things where you work with the document

Gene
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From: Antony Stone
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 5:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications


I disagree with "needs to have an SSD". It's nice, but it's not essential.
It improves startup time for the machine as a whole, and loading time for
applications, but doesn't affect how well applications run once they're loaded.

I agree with "as much RAM as you can afford / will fit". I'd say that is the
most important aspect of getting a machine to run well. Also, it's essential
that you have a 64-bit machine and a 64-bit version of Windows, otherwise the
machine simply will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM no matter how much is
fitted.

A CPU with several cores will help with running multiple applications - more
so than a particularly fast CPU.

So my list of priorities would be:

1. 64 bit CPU and 64 bit edition of Windows
2. Lots of RAM
3. Multi-core CPU
4. Fast CPU
5. SSD instead of HDD

Hope that helps,


Antony.

On Friday 11 January 2019 at 11:52:42, Brian K. Lingard wrote:

Dear Noah & List:

Your laptop needs SSD not a mechanical hard disk with 8, 16 or 32 GB RAM.
32 GB is best if you plan to do video and/or audio editing & recording.
The PC at your school may have as little as one GB RAM and a slow CPU.
Hiving the laptop adequate RAM ids, more important that high-performance
CPU. Look for a laptop with a fast, but not necessarily Intel I8 speed. An
Intel I55 or six CPU should work fine. You consume CPU cycles a lot if you
do sound or video editing, recalculate mammoth spreadsheets and run many
programs concurrently.

School computers may have as little as one or two GB RRAM and slow CPUs.
They are also several years old

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Noah
Carver via Groups.Io Sent: January 10, 2019 6:53 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Hi All,


I will need to get a laptop for school, however the school machines can
Not run NVDA plus Chrome and Word all at the same time without lagging.
What I need is a powerful machine that can handle email, office, and web
Browsing, ETC. without wimping out on me while I am trying to do work. Do
You have any recommendations for specs or any particular laptops that
You might recommend.


Thanks,


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Re: WG: [nvda-addons] [Nvda-devel] Help NV Access prioritize future work on NVDA

 

I've searched the archive and this was posted here.  I had not paid attention to the content itself as I am not a real user of NVDA.

But, the link to the survey is broken in all of the messages posted, which will be a big deal.  Here it is in click-through format, and naked:

NVDA Future Improvements Survey

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScXTe1_l52wVsDdvJNpAQ7qiU7A141BaugI8XuVxKz0A1TFNQ/viewform?usp=sf_link 
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Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

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Yes, i find 8 gigs OK with a four core processor myself. It was in 2016 a very good machine, and it still is, but things seem to have once again gone up a notch. It has always been my view that the programmers of big bits of software have not been worrying about the efficiency of their code and we end up with problems.
I did try a newer version of word, but it is like paint trying compared to the old one.
I'm beginning to think sometimes programmers assume that only their software will be running!
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications


With Chrome open, particularly if there are multiple tabs, but even if not, along with Word on a machine with 4GB RAM, even under Windows 7, one can expect "less than sprightly" performance.

4GB is the bare, bare minimum with even just a couple of modern programs running, which expect there to be more RAM breathing room than 4GB provides.

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Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

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Unfortunately this is often the case these days. I know in the UK school budgets are hard presses and they tend to use hardware until it expires.
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications


No, but I can get that info. I know that with Chrome and Word open, the
CPU was at about 85%. I have no idea about the particular CPU. The ram
was 4 GB, and that was constantly at 2 to 3 GB with word and Chrome.

They were tablet laptops--ridiculously under powered, too. Even the
sited kids said they were a pain, actually. I've been forced to use my
personal laptop, which is against school policy.

On 1/10/2019 19:23, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Besides what Gene is saying, do you happen to know the specs for the
school machines, which NVDA version you’re trying to use on them, and
which Windows release they’re using?

Cheers,

Joseph

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* Thursday, January 10, 2019 4:16 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive
Applications

You don't need a powerful machine such as a gaming or a power user
machine. The problem isn't that you need a powerful machine, it may
be that the machines you are using are significantly underpowered. As
a very rough estimate, I haven't priced computers for years, I would
say that an approximately 500 dollar laptop should do what you want.
What synthesizer do you use with NVDA? That may or may not make a
difference and it may or may not mean that your school computers can
do what you want. But depending on the answer, you may want to test
your school machines with another synthesizer before deciding if you
have to buy one.

Also, what lags? From what I've read, Word is often slow with NVDA.
Have you tried the lagging programs by themselves to make sure they
don't lag when used on their own?

Gene

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*Subject:*[nvda] Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications

Hi All,


I will need to get a laptop for school, however the school machines can
not run NVDA plus Chrome and Word all at the same time without lagging.
What I need is a powerful machine that can handle email, office, web
browsing, ETC. without wimping out on me while I'm trying to do work. Do
you have any recommendations for specs or any particular laptops that
you might recommend?


Thanks,


Noah