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Re: Screen Curtain and Virtual Review: new versions are out #addonrelease

MariaRosa Chapman
 

Hi.

great.

thanks.

Maria


On 14 Jan 2019, at 3:23 pm, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,
You can meet 40 plus NVDA add-ons at:
 
Some were inspired by feature suggestions for NVDA, others add features from other screen readers, still others make life easier for some users, while others are things only seen with NVDA.
Cheers,
Joseph
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of MariaRosa Chapman
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain and Virtual Review: new versions are out #AddonRelease
 
HI.
 
where do we go to get these?
thanks.
Maria
 


On 14 Jan 2019, at 2:56 pm, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:
 
Hi all,
 
I’m delighted to announce the release of Virtual review 2.4 and Screen Curtain latest snapshot build (note that Screen Curtain is a proof of concept add-on). In case of Virtual Review, version 2.4 includes latest localizations from many language communities.
 
As always, the new updates are just an update check away (via Add-on Updater, which itself will get an update very soon).
 
Cheers,
Joseph
 



Re: Screen Curtain and Virtual Review: new versions are out #addonrelease

 

Hi,

You can meet 40 plus NVDA add-ons at:

https://addons.nvda-project.org

 

Some were inspired by feature suggestions for NVDA, others add features from other screen readers, still others make life easier for some users, while others are things only seen with NVDA.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of MariaRosa Chapman
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 8:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Screen Curtain and Virtual Review: new versions are out #AddonRelease

 

HI.

 

where do we go to get these?

thanks.

Maria

 



On 14 Jan 2019, at 2:56 pm, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

 

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the release of Virtual review 2.4 and Screen Curtain latest snapshot build (note that Screen Curtain is a proof of concept add-on). In case of Virtual Review, version 2.4 includes latest localizations from many language communities.

 

As always, the new updates are just an update check away (via Add-on Updater, which itself will get an update very soon).

 

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Screen Curtain and Virtual Review: new versions are out #addonrelease

MariaRosa Chapman
 

HI.

where do we go to get these?
thanks.
Maria


On 14 Jan 2019, at 2:56 pm, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the release of Virtual review 2.4 and Screen Curtain latest snapshot build (note that Screen Curtain is a proof of concept add-on). In case of Virtual Review, version 2.4 includes latest localizations from many language communities.

 

As always, the new updates are just an update check away (via Add-on Updater, which itself will get an update very soon).

 

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: [nvda-addons] Screen Curtain and Virtual Review: new versions are out #addonrelease

Adriani Botez
 

What are the changes for screen curtain?

Cheers
Adriani


Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 14.01.2019 um 04:56 schrieb Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>:

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the release of Virtual review 2.4 and Screen Curtain latest snapshot build (note that Screen Curtain is a proof of concept add-on). In case of Virtual Review, version 2.4 includes latest localizations from many language communities.

 

As always, the new updates are just an update check away (via Add-on Updater, which itself will get an update very soon).

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Screen Curtain and Virtual Review: new versions are out #addonrelease

 

Hi all,

 

I’m delighted to announce the release of Virtual review 2.4 and Screen Curtain latest snapshot build (note that Screen Curtain is a proof of concept add-on). In case of Virtual Review, version 2.4 includes latest localizations from many language communities.

 

As always, the new updates are just an update check away (via Add-on Updater, which itself will get an update very soon).

 

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: can't select radio buttons in a webpage

Gene
 

The way radio buttons are supposed to work when not in browse mode anywhere is that you move to it and moving to it, giving it focus causes it to be selected.  You move to the radio button you want to select in a dialog, then tab out of the field.  You are finished in that field.  The reason they are called radio buttons is because, as in a car, they are designed to only allow one selection.  You move to the radio button you want to select and it is the only radio button that can be selected, just as in a car radio, one radio button moves you to one station and you can only activate one at a time.
 
When you are in browse mode, you can activate a radio button with the space bar.  When not in browse mode, but in forms mode, every time you move up or down in a list of radio buttons on a web site, you are selecting the button you move to.
 
Browse has its own way of allowing users to select a radio button.  But as I said, when you are in browse mode, you can use this method.  When not in browse mode, because it is off while you are on a web page or because you are somewhere where there is no browse mode, you up and down arrow and every radio button you move to is selected and no other one is.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't select radio buttons in a webpage

OK, I reviewed standard radio buttons with no JS attached, and it is space, not return that will cause a focused non-selected radio button to be selected. Note however, that except for use within a screen reader it is fairly difficult to put focus on a radio button without also selecting it. Generally a  radio group has one tab stop and if no item in the tab group is selected when the radio group is tabbed to either the first or last item will receive focus and be selected. Thereafter using arrow keys will move focus and selection to other radio buttons within the group. In any case, generally both space and return when inNVDA browse mode will cause the selected radio button to be selected. Of course, specific event handlers either from boot strap or from the Bank’s JavaScript are preventing standard radio button behavior. I did see a 

data-toggle=”buttons” attribute surrounding the radio buttons. From some quick glances at comments on the web, this is a boot strap process designed to create check boxes that act like radio buttons but can be unselected, but I believe the latest boot strap has also disabled this  type of widget.

Of course the real issue is where is  the bug causing NVDA with Chrome difficult to select a radio button in this style. It the issue is limited to the bank, then I am not concerned. If it is a boot strap issue, then that is more worrisome. Anybody with experience developing boot strap sites feel like coding up a quick example?

 

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 5:52 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't select radio buttons in a webpage

 

What are you basing your description of radio button function on?  If you are in browse mode, you should be able to press space bar on a radio button on a web site and it will be selected.  This is different than a dialog box, where radio buttons are automatically selected by up or down arrowing through them.  the one you are on is automatically selected.  Return is never used to select a radio button and using return to try to select it may have unwanted consequences such as activating the default button in a dialog, such as the ok button. 

 

If you are in forms mode on a web site, up and down arrowing should automatically select radio buttons, as in a dialog. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't select radio buttons in a webpage

 

I looked a little at the HTML code, and the readio buttons are coded as standard radio buttons and don’t appear to have any strange HTML code. I believe the CSS layout is farily modern without using tables for layout purposes, not that that would effect accessibility by Chrome.

 

With no screen reader and using Safari on a Macintosh , I believe my wife found it difficult to change between investments and the other two categories of the radio button. I believe there might be a change event listener on the radio button, but I am not great at that level of page debugging. They have certainly done some work to make dialog boxes work correctly for screen readers, so I expect it is an oversight of the developers that the site does not work properly with NVDA and Chrome. I would suggest contacting the bank and tell them you are having some accessibility issues.

 

Correct keyboard behavior should be:

  1. When focus is on a radio button using arrow keys will select another radio button.
  2. When focus is on a unselected radio button return should select that radio button.

Hope this help!

 

Jonathan

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 1:41 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] can't select radio buttons in a webpage

 

                                                               Hi friends!

Although the following page is in portuguese, if you press f you will be placed in the first group of radio buttons.

I was trying to select the button whose labe is investimentos. But I couldn’t.

I made this test in schrome.

https://internetbanking.ourinvest.com.br/Cadastro/DadosIniciais

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: can't select radio buttons in a webpage

Jonathan COHN
 

OK, I reviewed standard radio buttons with no JS attached, and it is space, not return that will cause a focused non-selected radio button to be selected. Note however, that except for use within a screen reader it is fairly difficult to put focus on a radio button without also selecting it. Generally a  radio group has one tab stop and if no item in the tab group is selected when the radio group is tabbed to either the first or last item will receive focus and be selected. Thereafter using arrow keys will move focus and selection to other radio buttons within the group. In any case, generally both space and return when inNVDA browse mode will cause the selected radio button to be selected. Of course, specific event handlers either from boot strap or from the Bank’s JavaScript are preventing standard radio button behavior. I did see a 

data-toggle=”buttons” attribute surrounding the radio buttons. From some quick glances at comments on the web, this is a boot strap process designed to create check boxes that act like radio buttons but can be unselected, but I believe the latest boot strap has also disabled this  type of widget.

Of course the real issue is where is  the bug causing NVDA with Chrome difficult to select a radio button in this style. It the issue is limited to the bank, then I am not concerned. If it is a boot strap issue, then that is more worrisome. Anybody with experience developing boot strap sites feel like coding up a quick example?

 

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Gene <gsasner@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Sunday, January 13, 2019 at 5:52 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't select radio buttons in a webpage

 

What are you basing your description of radio button function on?  If you are in browse mode, you should be able to press space bar on a radio button on a web site and it will be selected.  This is different than a dialog box, where radio buttons are automatically selected by up or down arrowing through them.  the one you are on is automatically selected.  Return is never used to select a radio button and using return to try to select it may have unwanted consequences such as activating the default button in a dialog, such as the ok button. 

 

If you are in forms mode on a web site, up and down arrowing should automatically select radio buttons, as in a dialog. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 4:42 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] can't select radio buttons in a webpage

 

I looked a little at the HTML code, and the readio buttons are coded as standard radio buttons and don’t appear to have any strange HTML code. I believe the CSS layout is farily modern without using tables for layout purposes, not that that would effect accessibility by Chrome.

 

With no screen reader and using Safari on a Macintosh , I believe my wife found it difficult to change between investments and the other two categories of the radio button. I believe there might be a change event listener on the radio button, but I am not great at that level of page debugging. They have certainly done some work to make dialog boxes work correctly for screen readers, so I expect it is an oversight of the developers that the site does not work properly with NVDA and Chrome. I would suggest contacting the bank and tell them you are having some accessibility issues.

 

Correct keyboard behavior should be:

  1. When focus is on a radio button using arrow keys will select another radio button.
  2. When focus is on a unselected radio button return should select that radio button.

Hope this help!

 

Jonathan

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 1:41 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] can't select radio buttons in a webpage

 

                                                               Hi friends!

Although the following page is in portuguese, if you press f you will be placed in the first group of radio buttons.

I was trying to select the button whose labe is investimentos. But I couldn’t.

I made this test in schrome.

https://internetbanking.ourinvest.com.br/Cadastro/DadosIniciais

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: can't select radio buttons in a webpage

Gene
 

What are you basing your description of radio button function on?  If you are in browse mode, you should be able to press space bar on a radio button on a web site and it will be selected.  This is different than a dialog box, where radio buttons are automatically selected by up or down arrowing through them.  the one you are on is automatically selected.  Return is never used to select a radio button and using return to try to select it may have unwanted consequences such as activating the default button in a dialog, such as the ok button. 
 
If you are in forms mode on a web site, up and down arrowing should automatically select radio buttons, as in a dialog. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] can't select radio buttons in a webpage

I looked a little at the HTML code, and the readio buttons are coded as standard radio buttons and don’t appear to have any strange HTML code. I believe the CSS layout is farily modern without using tables for layout purposes, not that that would effect accessibility by Chrome.

 

With no screen reader and using Safari on a Macintosh , I believe my wife found it difficult to change between investments and the other two categories of the radio button. I believe there might be a change event listener on the radio button, but I am not great at that level of page debugging. They have certainly done some work to make dialog boxes work correctly for screen readers, so I expect it is an oversight of the developers that the site does not work properly with NVDA and Chrome. I would suggest contacting the bank and tell them you are having some accessibility issues.

 

Correct keyboard behavior should be:

  1. When focus is on a radio button using arrow keys will select another radio button.
  2. When focus is on a unselected radio button return should select that radio button.

Hope this help!

 

Jonathan

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 1:41 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] can't select radio buttons in a webpage

 

                                                               Hi friends!

Although the following page is in portuguese, if you press f you will be placed in the first group of radio buttons.

I was trying to select the button whose labe is investimentos. But I couldn’t.

I made this test in schrome.

https://internetbanking.ourinvest.com.br/Cadastro/DadosIniciais

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


Re: can't select radio buttons in a webpage

Jonathan COHN
 

I looked a little at the HTML code, and the readio buttons are coded as standard radio buttons and don’t appear to have any strange HTML code. I believe the CSS layout is farily modern without using tables for layout purposes, not that that would effect accessibility by Chrome.

 

With no screen reader and using Safari on a Macintosh , I believe my wife found it difficult to change between investments and the other two categories of the radio button. I believe there might be a change event listener on the radio button, but I am not great at that level of page debugging. They have certainly done some work to make dialog boxes work correctly for screen readers, so I expect it is an oversight of the developers that the site does not work properly with NVDA and Chrome. I would suggest contacting the bank and tell them you are having some accessibility issues.

 

Correct keyboard behavior should be:

  1. When focus is on a radio button using arrow keys will select another radio button.
  2. When focus is on a unselected radio button return should select that radio button.

Hope this help!

 

Jonathan

 

 

From: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...>
Reply-To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Date: Saturday, January 12, 2019 at 1:41 PM
To: "nvda@nvda.groups.io" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] can't select radio buttons in a webpage

 

                                                               Hi friends!

Although the following page is in portuguese, if you press f you will be placed in the first group of radio buttons.

I was trying to select the button whose labe is investimentos. But I couldn’t.

I made this test in schrome.

https://internetbanking.ourinvest.com.br/Cadastro/DadosIniciais

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


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Rusty Perez
 

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If any one is interested in it, please email me at
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Re: query about windows 10 with NVDA

Sarah k Alawami
 

What do you mean it's slow? Nvda? The pc? Can you be a bit more clear? We, the nvda comnity cannot read yoru mind, well, not yet anyway. What kind of pc do you have, specks? Windows version?

On 13 Jan 2019, at 10:44, Meet modi wrote:

hi all
I hope all are fine
friend's i have query about windows 10 with NVDA friends I start my PC after 15 days when i start my PC little bit slow down with NVDA then I try to reset it fro settings but problem is not solve what can we do? pleae give your suggestions?


query about windows 10 with NVDA

Meet modi
 

hi all
I hope all are fine
friend's i have query about windows 10 with NVDA friends I start my PC after 15 days when i start my PC little bit slow down with NVDA then I try to reset it fro settings but problem is not solve what can we do? pleae give your suggestions?


Re: FW: [win10] NVDA?

Gene
 

As for the first question, all that is needed is a link to the NVDA home page, assuming the person is asking for the latest production version and the person indicates nothing else.  I’ll give the link at the end of this message. 
 
As for the second question, you download one file.  If you wanht more functionality, look at the NVDA add-ons page.  There are no downloadable scripts, only add-ons.
The link for the add-ons page is:
The link for the home page is:
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 11:56 AM
Subject: [nvda] FW: [win10] NVDA?
 
Hi,
I figured it'd be best to forward the below question to this list in hopes
that we can get others to assist this person (I know some folks are members
of both lists, so feel free to comment on one of them).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kliph via
Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 9:50 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] NVDA?

Where would I get the latest download for NVDA?  And is everything in 1
file, or do I have to download scripts or something?  Thanks.







Re: FW: [win10] NVDA?

Antony Stone
 

The answer to the first question is https://www.nvaccess.org/download/

The answer to the second is "yes".

The answer to the third is "no", although there are add-ons which you might
want to download and install later.

Antony.

On Sunday 13 January 2019 at 18:56:16, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
I figured it'd be best to forward the below question to this list in hopes
that we can get others to assist this person (I know some folks are members
of both lists, so feel free to comment on one of them).
Cheers,
Joseph

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Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 9:50 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] NVDA?

Where would I get the latest download for NVDA? And is everything in 1
file, or do I have to download scripts or something? Thanks.
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FW: [win10] NVDA?

 

Hi,
I figured it'd be best to forward the below question to this list in hopes
that we can get others to assist this person (I know some folks are members
of both lists, so feel free to comment on one of them).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: win10@win10.groups.io <win10@win10.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kliph via
Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 9:50 AM
To: win10@win10.groups.io
Subject: [win10] NVDA?

Where would I get the latest download for NVDA? And is everything in 1
file, or do I have to download scripts or something? Thanks.


Re: website beeping

Giles Turnbull
 

Hi Chris and others,

I hadn't noticed that progress bar and yes, if I turn progress bar notification off it stops!

No idea what the purpose of the progress bar is!

Thanks,

Giles


Re: website beeping

 

As other have pointed, at least for me it's confirmed the cause of this happening is the progress bar setting.
Just to proof it, do as follows:
Open the site with your current setting regarding progress bar.
Up and down arrow on it for a time.
Do NVDA+U to set it to a different status.
Repeat the up/down arrow process.
If it behaves differently than previously, then it's confirmed.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 13/01/2019 11:21, Giles Turnbull escreveu:

Hi all,

I'm curious whether anybody else has noticed that some websites, admitedly relatively few, make a sort of beeping sound when cursoring down through the page? It doesn't happen when using say all.

This website is doing it when I visited it this morning:
https://www.movebubble.com/london/area-guides/2017/09/stratford-london-guide

It's kind of like the beeping to indicate percentage progress, but it is apparently not associated with any media loading, just the act of using the cursor keys to navigate up or down the webpage.

Thanks for any insight :)

Giles


Re: website beeping

Gene
 

That probably explains it.  I have progress bar updates set to off.  If I very rarely want them on, I turn them on. 
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 7:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] website beeping

Probably because of the progress bar on the page just above the first heading

 

 

Don’t ask me what it is for or how to get rid of it

 

But I suppose you could turn off beeps in nvda if its that annoying

From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: 13 January 2019 13:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] website beeping

 

Hi all,

I'm curious whether anybody else has noticed that some websites, admitedly relatively few, make a sort of beeping sound when cursoring down through the page? It doesn't happen when using say all.

This website is doing it when I visited it this morning:
https://www.movebubble.com/london/area-guides/2017/09/stratford-london-guide

It's kind of like the beeping to indicate percentage progress, but it is apparently not associated with any media loading, just the act of using the cursor keys to navigate up or down the webpage.

Thanks for any insight :)

Giles

 


Re: website beeping

Gene
 

With which browser?  there are no beeps using Chrome, at least the older version I'm using.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2019 7:21 AM
Subject: [nvda] website beeping

Hi all,

I'm curious whether anybody else has noticed that some websites, admitedly relatively few, make a sort of beeping sound when cursoring down through the page? It doesn't happen when using say all.

This website is doing it when I visited it this morning:
https://www.movebubble.com/london/area-guides/2017/09/stratford-london-guide

It's kind of like the beeping to indicate percentage progress, but it is apparently not associated with any media loading, just the act of using the cursor keys to navigate up or down the webpage.

Thanks for any insight :)

Giles


Re: website beeping

Chris
 

Probably because of the progress bar on the page just above the first heading

 

 

Don’t ask me what it is for or how to get rid of it

 

But I suppose you could turn off beeps in nvda if its that annoying

From: Giles Turnbull
Sent: 13 January 2019 13:21
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] website beeping

 

Hi all,

I'm curious whether anybody else has noticed that some websites, admitedly relatively few, make a sort of beeping sound when cursoring down through the page? It doesn't happen when using say all.

This website is doing it when I visited it this morning:
https://www.movebubble.com/london/area-guides/2017/09/stratford-london-guide

It's kind of like the beeping to indicate percentage progress, but it is apparently not associated with any media loading, just the act of using the cursor keys to navigate up or down the webpage.

Thanks for any insight :)

Giles

 

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