----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10? What if the machine is a 32bit
machine?

Also, what version of Windows is currently being run? You may just have
minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion. So my question is, why do you want
to upgrade? If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
as they are.

Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".

2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
64- bit Windows.

3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".

Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:

I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
for normal windows 10 user?

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10? What if the machine is a 32bit machine?

Also, what version of Windows is currently being run? You may just have minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year. Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion. So my question is, why do you want to upgrade? If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things as they are.

Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".

2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have 64-
bit Windows.

3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".

Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:

I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough for
normal windows 10 user?

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----- Original Message -----
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To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 3:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] New nvda version

My nvda updated this morning. It seems to be just a small bug fix.
Brian

On 1/14/2019 6:31 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:

My nvda updated this morning. It seems to be just a small bug fix.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "farhan israk" <fahim.net.2014@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 11:16 AM
Subject: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough for
normal windows 10 user?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 3:31 AM
Subject: [nvda] New nvda version

My nvda updated this morning. It seems to be just a small bug fix.
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Oh, I do not dispute that 32-bit Windows runs much better in limited memory
than 64-bit Windows does.

Given a 64-bit machine with 2 Gbytes of RAM, running a 32-bit edition of
Windows on it will perform better than running a 64-bit edition of the same
version of Windows.

However, I also believe that running a 64-bit edition of Windows on a machine
with 8 Gbytes of RAM will perform better than a 32-bit edition running in 3
Gbytes (even if the machine itself contains 8 Gbytes).

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 13:39:48, Gene wrote:

> I wasn't disputing that.  I had the impression that Windows 10 doesn't use
> all 4GB, but a little less.  I don't think this is because of Windows 10
> per se.  I think it has to do with how much memory 32gb Windows machines
> can address.  Regardless, the article I sent supports my position.
>
> Also, though companies do stupid things at times, it would be illogical and
> damaging for Microsoft to release a 32 bit version of Windows 10 that runs
> poorly on 32bit Windows machines.  It would erode the confidence of those
> who upgraded and reduce goodwill toward the company.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:29 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> However see
> https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Windows-only-show-about-3-5-GB-of-
> my-4-GB-of-RAM (linked in the list at the bottom of your article) to
> confirm my opinion that a 32-bit version of Windows will only use 3Gbytes
> (or 3.2Gbytes, as stated in the article).
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 13:03:19, Gene wrote:
> > This page supports my view.
> > https://www.quora.com/Is-Windows-10-advisable-with-4-GB-of-RAM
> > the first two answers on the page are written by people using 32bit
> > Windows 10.  The second two answers are not clear responses and we don't
> > know what bit version of Windows 10 they are addressing at which times
> > or if they are making a proper and clear distinction in their answers.
> > But those who answered the question properly support my view.
> >
> > Gene
> > ----- Orignal Message -----
> >
> > From: Gene
> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:51 AM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
> >
> >
> > I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is
> > limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit
> > versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that
> > Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or
> > Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for
> > 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows
> > 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.
> > But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.
> >
> > All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the
> > computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be
> > upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer
> > who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.
> >
> > Gene
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Antony Stone
> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
> >
> >
> > If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
> > hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.
> >
> > This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
> > alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
> > unusable RAM.
> >
> > Antony.
> >
> > On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:
> > > Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a
> > > 32bit machine?
> > >
> > > Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just
> > > have minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you
> > > a year. Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it
> > > will, but some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones
> > > after an imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is,
> > > why do you want to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might
> > > want to leave things as they are.
> > >
> > > Gene
> > > ----- Original message -----
> > >
> > > From: Antony Stone
> > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> > > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > > Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
> > >
> > > 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you
> > > have 64- bit Windows.
> > >
> > > 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum
> > > Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > > Antony.
> > >
> > > On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > > > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram
> > > > enough for normal windows 10 user?

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On Monday 14 January 2019 at 13:39:48, Gene wrote:

I wasn't disputing that. I had the impression that Windows 10 doesn't use
all 4GB, but a little less. I don't think this is because of Windows 10
per se. I think it has to do with how much memory 32gb Windows machines
can address. Regardless, the article I sent supports my position.

Also, though companies do stupid things at times, it would be illogical and
damaging for Microsoft to release a 32 bit version of Windows 10 that runs
poorly on 32bit Windows machines. It would erode the confidence of those
who upgraded and reduce goodwill toward the company.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:29 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


However see
https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Windows-only-show-about-3-5-GB-of-
my-4-GB-of-RAM (linked in the list at the bottom of your article) to
confirm my opinion that a 32-bit version of Windows will only use 3Gbytes
(or 3.2Gbytes, as stated in the article).

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 13:03:19, Gene wrote:

This page supports my view.
https://www.quora.com/Is-Windows-10-advisable-with-4-GB-of-RAM
the first two answers on the page are written by people using 32bit
Windows 10. The second two answers are not clear responses and we don't
know what bit version of Windows 10 they are addressing at which times
or if they are making a proper and clear distinction in their answers.
But those who answered the question properly support my view.

Gene
----- Orignal Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


I doubt what you are saying is correct. Its true that 32bit Windows is
limited in memory access, as you say. But at the same time, 32 bit
versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that
Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or
Windows 8. Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for
64bit. I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows
10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.
But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the
computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be
upgraded to may well be 64bit. But for anyone who has a 32bit computer
who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10? What if the machine is a
32bit machine?

Also, what version of Windows is currently being run? You may just
have minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you
a year. Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it
will, but some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones
after an imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion. So my question is,
why do you want to upgrade? If the reason isn't pressing, you might
want to leave things as they are.

Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".

2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you
have 64- bit Windows.

3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum
Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".

Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:

I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram
enough for normal windows 10 user?

However see https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Windows-only-show-about-3-5-GB-of-
my-4-GB-of-RAM (linked in the list at the bottom of your article) to confirm my
opinion that a 32-bit version of Windows will only use 3Gbytes (or 3.2Gbytes,
as stated in the article).

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 13:03:19, Gene wrote:

> This page supports my view.
> https://www.quora.com/Is-Windows-10-advisable-with-4-GB-of-RAM
> the first two answers on the page are written by people using 32bit Windows
> 10.  The second two answers are not clear responses and we don't know what
> bit version of Windows 10 they are addressing at which times or if they
> are making a proper and clear distinction in their answers.  But those who
> answered the question properly support my view.
>
> Gene
> ----- Orignal Message -----
>
> From: Gene
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:51 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is
> limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit
> versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that
> Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or
> Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for
> 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows
> 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.
> But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.
>
> All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the
> computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be
> upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer
> who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
> hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.
>
> This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
> alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
> unusable RAM.
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:
> > Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a
> > 32bit machine?
> >
> > Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> > minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> > Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> > some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> > imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you
> > want to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave
> > things as they are.
> >
> > Gene
> > ----- Original message -----
> >
> > From: Antony Stone
> > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> > Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
> >
> >
> > 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
> >
> > 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> > 64- bit Windows.
> >
> > 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum
> > Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Antony.
> >
> > On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > > for normal windows 10 user?

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On Monday 14 January 2019 at 13:03:19, Gene wrote:

This page supports my view.
https://www.quora.com/Is-Windows-10-advisable-with-4-GB-of-RAM
the first two answers on the page are written by people using 32bit Windows
10. The second two answers are not clear responses and we don't know what
bit version of Windows 10 they are addressing at which times or if they
are making a proper and clear distinction in their answers. But those who
answered the question properly support my view.

Gene
----- Orignal Message -----

From: Gene
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:51 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


I doubt what you are saying is correct. Its true that 32bit Windows is
limited in memory access, as you say. But at the same time, 32 bit
versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that
Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or
Windows 8. Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for
64bit. I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows
10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.
But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the
computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be
upgraded to may well be 64bit. But for anyone who has a 32bit computer
who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10? What if the machine is a
32bit machine?

Also, what version of Windows is currently being run? You may just have
minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion. So my question is, why do you
want to upgrade? If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave
things as they are.

Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".

2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
64- bit Windows.

3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum
Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".

Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:

I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
for normal windows 10 user?

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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On 1/14/19, Antony Stone <antony.stone@...> wrote:

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10? What if the machine is a
32bit
machine?

Also, what version of Windows is currently being run? You may just have
minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion. So my question is, why do you
want
to upgrade? If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
as they are.

Gene
----- Original message -----

From: Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".

2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
64- bit Windows.

3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum
Specs
for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".

Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:

I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
for normal windows 10 user?

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Dear Brian & List:

There is a USB edition of the Triple Talk hardware synthesizer. While many devices have their highest Baud rate as 9,600 BPS, newer Uarts such as the 16550 ones can easily run at 115,200 BPS, this over a plain old RS-232C serial port. Helps if you use hardware flow control rather than DC1/DC33 XX-On/x-Off software flow control. Hardware flow control is instant; X-on/x-off has to be processed by the sending computer.

Have no stats on what really nice-sounding voices such as the ones that shipped with the Dec Talk synthesizers do to CPU usage. If you find you want to use a really nice synthetic voice, you can purchase a hardware synthesizer; however, not all hardware synthesizers have really nice voices.

With modern PC speeds what they are, buying a PC with a moderately fast to super-fast CPU should be more than adequate to handle any synthesizer voice.
Brian K. Lingard


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The real question though is this. Can they be more efficient in real terms than the inbuilt espeak?
 I did some tests back in the XP days when I had access to one, and to me at least there was nothing much in it.
 Of course, the old interface used a serial port on my old computer, so it could well be that this ancient device was a bottleneck.
 Brian

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Dear Felix & List:

I believe the triple talk synthesizer is still manufactured. So is the
Votrax Personal Speech System by the Federal Screw Works.
Brian K. Lingard


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of Felix G.
Sent: January 11, 2019 7:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Slightly OT: Hardware speech synthesizer

Hello everyone,
I am thinking of getting a hardware speech synthesizer because I feel it
Might improve my efficiency by making me independent of existing sound
Resources on machines. I am aware hardware speech synthesizers are an
Ancient concept, so I would like to ask around are they still being
Manufactured for end users. If so, which ones are being produced as I am?
Writing this?
All the best,
Felix

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10? What if the machine is a 32bit
machine?

Also, what version of Windows is currently being run? You may just have
minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion. So my question is, why do you want
to upgrade? If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
as they are.

Gene
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From: Antony Stone
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer


1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".

2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
64- bit Windows.

3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".

Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:

I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
for normal windows 10 user?

1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".

2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have 64-
bit Windows.

3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".

Regards,


Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:

> I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough for
> normal windows 10 user?

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On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:

I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough for
normal windows 10 user?

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:13:05, farhan israk wrote:

Thanks to all. How to get access to dev mailing list? I'm not able to
enable java access bridge. If I run %JRE_HOME%\bin\jabswitch -enable
command in command prompt, command prompt shows specified path is not
available. I also tried arduino ide but couldn't use it due to
accessibility issue. I also tried to install android studio but couldn't
install it. In second page of I need to check android studio. I pressed
space many times on it but couldn't check it. It remained unchecked. I
installed clips ide. I found it very much accessible. I can easily use it.
I want to know few things regarding this ide. Do I need to change any
settings? How to compile and run code after writing code?