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Re: Senior citizan support
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
I have remote 2.1
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*** Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots. the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you! ****
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From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io" <bglists@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Senior citizan support Well its going to also need the older version of remote. Does anyone know if the current version will work with the older nvda? This is something I've been meaning to ask for a while as there are still a lot of xp machines out there just doing basic stuff.
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Re: VIDEO GAMING
No, actually not. He means video games such as forza and pubg and sea of theves. I'll gt back to him off list as some of these we can play with the use of the controlers and nvda, kind of. Take care
On 14 Jan 2019, at 14:50, Adel Spence wrote:
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Re: Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
I havn't ever had this issue, then again, I have the latest official drivers, What I usually do with a new build is get all the stuff I need, and install it then connect to the net otherwise ms pulls generic stuff down and it gets really confused.
On 15/01/2019 10:28 AM, Gene wrote:
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Re: Minimum Specs for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications
Brian K. Lingard
Dear Sarah & List:
You are correct, video editing can require much RAM and CPU power, so can Audio Editing; however, it depends on your editing program.
Sound Forge is a RAM hog and a CPU power lover. Goldwave on the other hand, has a much lighter footprint on your PC, same for the Olympus Sonority multitrack audio editor.
MS Word can be a RAM glutton if you are editing and spell checking mammoth-size files. Alternatively, using the Generate command to produce your final document, deleting strikeouts, inserting red lined material, etc. Excel can be a RAM pig and CPU power hog, however do you really want to run the Decennial Census of the United States using Excel spreadsheets on your PC? Alternatively, recalculate truly massive spreadsheets, calculating the cost of running the General Electric Company or Boeing Aircraft for a calendar Quarter? You
Is Outlook is a relatively light user of ram & CPU power, when reading mail, you just display messages on the messages, which takes little resources, when reading mail, it displays messages on the screen advancing page by page relatively slowly. When composing spell checking, it uses more CPU power
If you deal with typical spreadsheets for a small organization, such as the PTA or your Church or Temple, you will not overload your PC.
As the PC swaps memory, too disk and accesses other files with spell check dictionaries and such.
Sound editing smaller files is much easier than for larger files Yes, if you demand top performance, ask for an Intel I8 CPU with all the DDR4 RAM the PC will hold, with a discrete Video card to relieve the PC of the work of painting the display. This is especially important if you do animation.
However, for the average user you can live with 16 GB of DDR4 RAM and an Intel I6 or 7 chip. CAD/CAM can use much CPU and RAM. Brian K. Lingard
Doing CAD/CAM and other heavy computational tasks call Sent: January 11, 2019 5:06 PM
The student say "heavy intense application" so in my mind that is video editing, excel, word, outlook, power point, audio editing software, video rendering and editing software. Run all of that at once, and even an 8-gig machine will choke. My capture card required eight gigs so I plug that in, watch my fans spin up and watch it use eight gigs of ram leaving me with 24 to play with. Forza uses I think about 4-8, I do not know how much nvda uses but by the time I am done I will have used most if not all of my ram in a day.
On 11 Jan 2019, at 13:46, Gene wrote:
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Re: Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
Thank you for taking the time to answer/spur the discussion. Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 6:05 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
I'll let those who know more discuss the question for the most part. It would seem to me that the questions are which if either is more accessible in terms of programs, and the differences between the two methods and what they mean. An image is an exact sector for sector copy of the hard drive. I believe it copies everything, including the boot record and it may preserve authorizations for software that a backup may not. Also, with a backup, if you loose this or that file, you can restore individual files or folders. With an image, you may not be able to. I've heard some of these things discussed over the years but I'm stating these things to help spur discussion. Some of what I say may be wrong ore partly wrong.
Perhaps the best thing to do is to back things up like documents and music, and to also have a disk image for restoring the system including the boot record and authorizations that require it.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal Lambert Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
Thanks. Would you suggest using backup? Many thanks Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
I don't make disk images so I'll let others answer the question.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal Lambert Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
I understand and really appreciate your concern. I also installed an earlier version of NVDA with no success. The stuttering is happening with all included synthesizers and with Eloquent. I am suspecting it is my Acer laptop as I had to resort to this drastic measure before. I used the recovery USB and it did take much time. The laptop is singing again nicely. I don’t dare to update NVDA to the latest version. I am using 2017.3. I’ll wait for a while before I update. Before I go, I have one question, is there an image program you would recommend? I ask as the “system restore” is not trustworthy. Many thanks Blessings Pascal From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
That sounds like a lot of work. Is there anything important you want to do with the newest NVDA version or anything important you believe will be possible you will want to do in versions that will be upcoming in the next year or two?
In addition, what if you try a different synthesizer. Which one are you using now? It might make more sense to go back to the version of NVDA you were using until there is a reason or reasons to go through all that work in terms of a meaningful benefit or benefits.
And, in the short term, if enough people report this problem, it will be addressed by the developers. it may be that there is something about your laptop and some others that will never be known, that causes you to have this problem and it may be corrected by the developers. So even if you have reasons to want to use the latest update now, it might be better to wait and see how things develop.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal Lambert Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
I have tried your kind suggestions but with no success. I am resorting to the hammer solution wiping my Acer laptop clean and rebuilding it from scratch. My other HP laptop is working fine with NVDA 2017.3 and Win10 1803 version. I honestly do not dare updating NVDA and Win10 at this time. Many thanks. Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
I have updated but I didn’t notice any audio problem.
After restarting your PC, try to restart NVDA with allo add-ons disabled. Does the issue still occur?
Best Adriani
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Hi, I’d like to find out if others who have updated to 2018.4.1 are also experiencing audio issues after doing so (I’m running an equivalent alpha build and not experiencing it, but I’ll leave open all sorts of possibilities). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
I consider myself very lucky as I didn't get any update to nvda this morning. If it does show up, I'll cancel out of it until this problem is fixed.
Roger
On 1/14/2019 12:06 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
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Re: VIDEO GAMING
JM Casey
Some of these accessible games that are more like “video games” as we know it don’t speak so much, but they have things like directional sound and other audio clues to tell you, for instance, where you should be aiming your weapon, when there’s an item to “pick up”, etc.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of goshawk on horseback
Sent: January 14, 2019 5:04 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING Importance: High
I don't know about mainstream games, but there are quite a number of games designed for us, which are either self voicing, or that should work with NVDA. there is a site that lists most if not all of them, but I can't remember what it is. there is also the blind gamers e-mail list at: where you should be able to get info on just about any accessible game out there. have you given any thought to what types of games you would be interested in?
Simon
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Re: VIDEO GAMING
Richard Bartholomew
Thanks very much, I’ll take a look at that tomorrow.
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On 14 Jan 2019, at 22:50, Adel Spence <adelspence12@...> wrote:
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Re: Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
Gene
I'll let those who know more discuss the question
for the most part. It would seem to me that the questions are which if
either is more accessible in terms of programs, and the differences between the
two methods and what they mean. An image is an exact sector for sector
copy of the hard drive. I believe it copies everything, including the boot
record and it may preserve authorizations for software that a backup may
not. Also, with a backup, if you loose this or that file, you can restore
individual files or folders. With an image, you may not be able to.
I've heard some of these things discussed over the years but I'm stating these
things to help spur discussion. Some of what I say may be wrong ore partly
wrong.
Perhaps the best thing to do is to back things up
like documents and music, and to also have a disk image for restoring the system
including the boot record and authorizations that require it.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pascal Lambert
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA
Update Thanks. Would you suggest using backup? Many thanks Blessings Pascal
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
I don't make disk images so I'll let others answer the question.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal Lambert Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
I understand and really appreciate your concern. I also installed an earlier version of NVDA with no success. The stuttering is happening with all included synthesizers and with Eloquent. I am suspecting it is my Acer laptop as I had to resort to this drastic measure before. I used the recovery USB and it did take much time. The laptop is singing again nicely. I don’t dare to update NVDA to the latest version. I am using 2017.3. I’ll wait for a while before I update. Before I go, I have one question, is there an image program you would recommend? I ask as the “system restore” is not trustworthy. Many thanks Blessings Pascal From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Gene
That sounds like a lot of work. Is there anything important you want to do with the newest NVDA version or anything important you believe will be possible you will want to do in versions that will be upcoming in the next year or two?
In addition, what if you try a different synthesizer. Which one are you using now? It might make more sense to go back to the version of NVDA you were using until there is a reason or reasons to go through all that work in terms of a meaningful benefit or benefits.
And, in the short term, if enough people report this problem, it will be addressed by the developers. it may be that there is something about your laptop and some others that will never be known, that causes you to have this problem and it may be corrected by the developers. So even if you have reasons to want to use the latest update now, it might be better to wait and see how things develop.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal Lambert Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
I have tried your kind suggestions but with no success. I am resorting to the hammer solution wiping my Acer laptop clean and rebuilding it from scratch. My other HP laptop is working fine with NVDA 2017.3 and Win10 1803 version. I honestly do not dare updating NVDA and Win10 at this time. Many thanks. Blessings Pascal
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Adriani Botez
I have updated but I didn’t notice any audio problem.
After restarting your PC, try to restart NVDA with allo add-ons disabled. Does the issue still occur?
Best Adriani
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von
Joseph Lee
Hi, I’d like to find out if others who have updated to 2018.4.1 are also experiencing audio issues after doing so (I’m running an equivalent alpha build and not experiencing it, but I’ll leave open all sorts of possibilities). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Roger Stewart
I consider myself very lucky as I didn't get any update to nvda this morning. If it does show up, I'll cancel out of it until this problem is fixed.
Roger
On 1/14/2019 12:06 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
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Re: VIDEO GAMING
Adel Spence
I think site you are looking for is:
www.audiogames.net
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Re: VIDEO GAMING
Richard Bartholomew
Thanks for the pointers and the offer of further information. Over the years, I’ve dabbled with adventure and strategy games but what intrigues me is the idea of video gaming – okay, maybe I should say here that my interpretation of video gaming is the narrow one of “shoot ‘em up” style of game which I’m having trouble picturing with speech only! Also, I’m assuming that this is the type of games referred to earlier as it’s generally the video aspect of games which is memory and processor intensive.
I’ll definitely go and look for that accessible gaming site, though, to see what’s available.
Thanks again.
Richard Bartholomew
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of goshawk on horseback
Sent: 14 January 2019 22:04 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda]VIDEO GAMING Importance: High
I don't know about mainstream games, but there are quite a number of games designed for us, which are either self voicing, or that should work with NVDA. there is a site that lists most if not all of them, but I can't remember what it is. there is also the blind gamers e-mail list at: where you should be able to get info on just about any accessible game out there. have you given any thought to what types of games you would be interested in?
Simon
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Re: Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
Restarts of NVDA with add-ons and with add-ons disabled. P.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:26 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
That's good but do you mean restarts of Windows or of NVDA?
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Armando Maldonado Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
A restart, well more liek two forced restarts did it for me and yes, I do have latest audio drivers. It's fixed, who knows for how long. Armando
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Re: Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
Thanks. Would you suggest using backup? Many thanks Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 4:29 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
I don't make disk images so I'll let others answer the question.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal Lambert Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
I understand and really appreciate your concern. I also installed an earlier version of NVDA with no success. The stuttering is happening with all included synthesizers and with Eloquent. I am suspecting it is my Acer laptop as I had to resort to this drastic measure before. I used the recovery USB and it did take much time. The laptop is singing again nicely. I don’t dare to update NVDA to the latest version. I am using 2017.3. I’ll wait for a while before I update. Before I go, I have one question, is there an image program you would recommend? I ask as the “system restore” is not trustworthy. Many thanks Blessings Pascal From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
That sounds like a lot of work. Is there anything important you want to do with the newest NVDA version or anything important you believe will be possible you will want to do in versions that will be upcoming in the next year or two?
In addition, what if you try a different synthesizer. Which one are you using now? It might make more sense to go back to the version of NVDA you were using until there is a reason or reasons to go through all that work in terms of a meaningful benefit or benefits.
And, in the short term, if enough people report this problem, it will be addressed by the developers. it may be that there is something about your laptop and some others that will never be known, that causes you to have this problem and it may be corrected by the developers. So even if you have reasons to want to use the latest update now, it might be better to wait and see how things develop.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal Lambert Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
I have tried your kind suggestions but with no success. I am resorting to the hammer solution wiping my Acer laptop clean and rebuilding it from scratch. My other HP laptop is working fine with NVDA 2017.3 and Win10 1803 version. I honestly do not dare updating NVDA and Win10 at this time. Many thanks. Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
I have updated but I didn’t notice any audio problem.
After restarting your PC, try to restart NVDA with allo add-ons disabled. Does the issue still occur?
Best Adriani
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Joseph Lee
Hi, I’d like to find out if others who have updated to 2018.4.1 are also experiencing audio issues after doing so (I’m running an equivalent alpha build and not experiencing it, but I’ll leave open all sorts of possibilities). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
I consider myself very lucky as I didn't get any update to nvda this morning. If it does show up, I'll cancel out of it until this problem is fixed.
Roger
On 1/14/2019 12:06 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
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Re: VIDEO GAMING
None really. I'll contact you off list if I remember later today and tell you my set up. I'm pretty new at this stuff but I'll point you to some resources . It's getting better. I don't want to clutter this list as this will be off topic at least for the time beeing. Take care
On 14 Jan 2019, at 13:52, Richard Bartholomew wrote:
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Re: VIDEO GAMING
goshawk on horseback
I don't know about mainstream games, but there are
quite a number of games designed for us, which are either self voicing, or that
should work with NVDA.
there is a site that lists most if not all of them,
but I can't remember what it is.
there is also the blind gamers e-mail list at:
where you should be able to get info on just about
any accessible game out there.
have you given any thought to what types of games
you would be interested in?
Simon
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VIDEO GAMING
Richard Bartholomew
Hi,
Earlier today, I saw a message from someone saying they were a video gamer and am interested to know what video games are accessible via NVDA to a totally blind user, please, as this may be an avenue I’d like to explore.
Thanks for any info.
Richard Bartholomew
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Re: Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
Annette Moore
No stuttering of any kind here, but I did have to try installing the update toNVDA twice because something must've gone wrong the first time. There was no error that I could find; it just didn't install, so I restarted NVDA and went through the downloading and installation again, and it worked that time. All seems to be in fine working order now from this end. Annette
On 1/14/2019 12:58 PM, Joseph Lee
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Re: Cursor navigation broken in HTML messages in Outlook 2010
Gene
Now just try shutting down one at a time. I
suspect that shutting down NVDA will solve the problem but we'll
see.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcia Yale
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 3:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Cursor navigation broken in HTML messages in
Outlook 2010 Well, believe it or not, I just shut down both Outlook and NVDA and then restarted both, and the problem has resolved itself. I know I had tried that before and it had not worked, so maybe this new version of NVDA has fixed a problem somewhere. Hopefully it won’t reappear. As for trying an older version, I honestly can’t remember when the problem first appeared.
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Have you gone back to a version where this didn't happen to see if it still doesn't? At this point, we can't tell if this is an NVDA issue or something else. You can use an older version as a portable program and keep your current installation for the test. When the problem occurs, what happens if you unload and then run NVDA again? Did you try that before rebooting?
Also, when this happens, before trying to correct the situation, see if you can go in and out of browse mode in the message. There may be some problem with the way browse mode works when this happens.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Marcia Yale Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 12:41 PM Subject: [nvda] Cursor navigation broken in HTML messages in Outlook 2010
I am finding that, every so
often, and too often, I am suddenly unable to
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Re: Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
Gene
I don't make disk images so I'll let others answer
the question.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Pascal Lambert
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 2:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA
Update I understand and really appreciate your concern. I also installed an earlier version of NVDA with no success. The stuttering is happening with all included synthesizers and with Eloquent. I am suspecting it is my Acer laptop as I had to resort to this drastic measure before. I used the recovery USB and it did take much time. The laptop is singing again nicely. I don’t dare to update NVDA to the latest version. I am using 2017.3. I’ll wait for a while before I update. Before I go, I have one question, is there an image program you would recommend? I ask as the “system restore” is not trustworthy. Many thanks Blessings Pascal From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Gene
That sounds like a lot of work. Is there anything important you want to do with the newest NVDA version or anything important you believe will be possible you will want to do in versions that will be upcoming in the next year or two?
In addition, what if you try a different synthesizer. Which one are you using now? It might make more sense to go back to the version of NVDA you were using until there is a reason or reasons to go through all that work in terms of a meaningful benefit or benefits.
And, in the short term, if enough people report this problem, it will be addressed by the developers. it may be that there is something about your laptop and some others that will never be known, that causes you to have this problem and it may be corrected by the developers. So even if you have reasons to want to use the latest update now, it might be better to wait and see how things develop.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal Lambert Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
I have tried your kind suggestions but with no success. I am resorting to the hammer solution wiping my Acer laptop clean and rebuilding it from scratch. My other HP laptop is working fine with NVDA 2017.3 and Win10 1803 version. I honestly do not dare updating NVDA and Win10 at this time. Many thanks. Blessings Pascal
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf
Of Adriani Botez
I have updated but I didn’t notice any audio problem.
After restarting your PC, try to restart NVDA with allo add-ons disabled. Does the issue still occur?
Best Adriani
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von
Joseph Lee
Hi, I’d like to find out if others who have updated to 2018.4.1 are also experiencing audio issues after doing so (I’m running an equivalent alpha build and not experiencing it, but I’ll leave open all sorts of possibilities). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Roger Stewart
I consider myself very lucky as I didn't get any update to nvda this morning. If it does show up, I'll cancel out of it until this problem is fixed.
Roger
On 1/14/2019 12:06 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
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Re: Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
Gene
That's good but do you mean restarts of Windows or
of NVDA?
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Armando Maldonado
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA
Update A restart, well more liek two forced restarts did
it for me and yes, I do have latest audio drivers. It's fixed, who knows for how
long.
Armando
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Re: Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update
Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
No problems here and I just installed it about 40 minutes ago and I’m running it under the latest Insider build.
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...>
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 1:58:19 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Weird audio stuttering with latestNVDA Update Hi, I’d like to find out if others who have updated to 2018.4.1 are also experiencing audio issues after doing so (I’m running an equivalent alpha build and not experiencing it, but I’ll leave open all sorts of possibilities). Cheers, Joseph
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Roger Stewart
I consider myself very lucky as I didn't get any update to nvda this morning. If it does show up, I'll cancel out of it until this problem is fixed.
Roger
On 1/14/2019 12:06 PM, Pascal Lambert wrote:
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