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NVDA and Jarte

David Russell
 

Hi all,

I could not fully read the recent digest as there were myriad of posts
to updating computer.

My question is for those who use Jarte, the free version.
1. How do you get NVDA to read which font you are in?

2. How do you enable the audio spellcheck in Jarte, older version from 2016.

Thanks for help.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...


Re: command prompt spelling out output

Sarah k Alawami
 

I have speak words on and it does not spell output, only when speak characters is on. I have not tested with chars and words both, but try words ony.

Take care

On 15 Jan 2019, at 14:03, Gene wrote:

I think this happens when speak words and speak characters are both on.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt spelling out output
 
So if I set NVDA to say just words instead of characters it's not going to happen, I got it right?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:42, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:
Yes speak typed words not characters, but I also notice this is not a universal issue, ie sometimes it will sometimes it wont.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "marcio via Groups.Io" mailto:marcinhorj21@...
To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt spelling out output


It's really annoying. I ever wanted to know a way to make it stops.
Looking for this thread. Hope we can get some good answers.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 15:32, enes sarıbaş escreveu:
hi,

Is there a way to prevent NVDA from spelling out the output when
speaked typed characters is on? This is extremely annoying.

















Secondary Audio Output

Dave Marthouse <dmarthouse@...>
 

I am using NVDA as a screen reader in conjunction with some broadcast automation software.

I want to send the synthesizer audio to another set of speakers as naturally I do not want to have the software synthesizer mixing with on-air audio.

Any information on how this can be accomplished would be appreciated.



-- Dave Marthouse
            dmarthouse@...


Re: command prompt spelling out output

 

But here I have the echo only for the characters typed and it's still happening.
Maybe I could try disabling this and enabling the other to see what happens, I'll do it.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 20:03, Gene escreveu:

I think this happens when speak words and speak characters are both on.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt spelling out output
 
So if I set NVDA to say just words instead of characters it's not going to happen, I got it right?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:42, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:
Yes speak typed words not characters, but I also notice this is not a universal issue, ie sometimes it will sometimes it wont.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "marcio via Groups.Io" mailto:marcinhorj21@...
To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt spelling out output


It's really annoying. I ever wanted to know a way to make it stops.
Looking for this thread. Hope we can get some good answers.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 15/01/2019 15:32, enes sarıbaş escreveu:
hi,

Is there a way to prevent NVDA from spelling out the output when
speaked typed characters is on? This is extremely annoying.


















Re: command prompt spelling out output

Gene
 

I think this happens when speak words and speak characters are both on.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
 
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt spelling out output
 
So if I set NVDA to say just words instead of characters it's not going to happen, I got it right?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:42, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:
Yes speak typed words not characters, but I also notice this is not a universal issue, ie sometimes it will sometimes it wont.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "marcio via Groups.Io" mailto:marcinhorj21@...
To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt spelling out output


It's really annoying. I ever wanted to know a way to make it stops.
Looking for this thread. Hope we can get some good answers.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 15/01/2019 15:32, enes sarıbaş escreveu:
hi,

Is there a way to prevent NVDA from spelling out the output when
speaked typed characters is on? This is extremely annoying.

















Re: video games

Richard Bartholomew
 

Thanks to all who have given feedback on this...there are some interesting avenues to go down.

Richard Bartholomew

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: 15 January 2019 17:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] video games

Don't know if anyone mentioned this web site http://www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm


Re: Want to upgrade computer

JM Casey
 

Wow, what a drag that is. Yeah…

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: January 15, 2019 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

No, my capture card as soon as I bought it was no longer supported by the company. They quite answering emails about it, quit selling it etc. I was and am still not a happy camper, especially now as it died during a marathon stream last week. But then elgato had not come out with anything new for about 3 years so it was time. I'm still anoyed as now I have a not so cheap paper weight. Lol!

Take care

On 15 Jan 2019, at 13:20, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

I got your point. And, after all, you're right.
Sometimes I would like things in the tech world were a little slower. They change so fast that when we see it's another product and the one we just bought is no longer working as expected.
Maybe I'm the only one with this feeling? Smile.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 18:59, JM Casey escreveu:

Forgive me if I�m just not understanding the whole context of this discussion (there seems to be a lot of it), but it still ultimately is your decision.

The problem is that as software, including the oS, moves forward, things stop being supported and no longer work as expected. It�s a sort of balancing act, getting all the programmes on our systems to work reasonably well together, in conjunction with the operating system, which is itself a very complex piece of software with many parts that run concurrently.

�

But ultimately, you can keep using old software for as long as you want, although I understand that Windows 10 home for instance only offers a limited amount of control over updates; there�s probably a way to alter this in the registry even there if someone is so inclined, for some reason.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January 15, 2019 3:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Well, you wrote

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

I was thinking you were saying something like, people buying a new computer every year who knows why.
Anyway, I don't agree with Microsoft when it comes to how they introduce their new stuff to the public. It was this way with XP and now will be with 7.
It should be our decision updating or not, but it looks like they always want to decide on their own what we have to do.
Well at least I'm already with my dear Win 10 and we are making a good job together. So it won't be a problem for me, not really.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 18:04, Monte Single escreveu:

No, I don�t think anybody said anything about� buying a new computer every year.� I would think that most people still using win 7 have machines that are four years or older.�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Eventually it will� happen on one way or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new computer every single year? I don't think so.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single escreveu:

A lot of older machines will not have the right hardware to run win 10.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

But what's the link between buying a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your point here, really.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single escreveu:

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-19 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi,

The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).

Cheers,

Joseph

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

It is very easy to find out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid 2020,� any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven�t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I�d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I�m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

�

�

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.� Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.� But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.� But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

�

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.� So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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Re: Want to upgrade computer

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, my capture card as soon as I bought it was no longer supported by the company. They quite answering emails about it, quit selling it etc. I was and am still not a happy camper, especially now as it died during a marathon stream last week. But then elgato had not come out with anything new for about 3 years so it was time. I'm still anoyed as now I have a not so cheap paper weight. Lol!

Take care

On 15 Jan 2019, at 13:20, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

I got your point. And, after all, you're right.
Sometimes I would like things in the tech world were a little slower. They change so fast that when we see it's another product and the one we just bought is no longer working as expected.
Maybe I'm the only one with this feeling? Smile.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 18:59, JM Casey escreveu:

Forgive me if I�m just not understanding the whole context of this discussion (there seems to be a lot of it), but it still ultimately is your decision.

The problem is that as software, including the oS, moves forward, things stop being supported and no longer work as expected. It�s a sort of balancing act, getting all the programmes on our systems to work reasonably well together, in conjunction with the operating system, which is itself a very complex piece of software with many parts that run concurrently.

�

But ultimately, you can keep using old software for as long as you want, although I understand that Windows 10 home for instance only offers a limited amount of control over updates; there�s probably a way to alter this in the registry even there if someone is so inclined, for some reason.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January 15, 2019 3:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Well, you wrote

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

I was thinking you were saying something like, people buying a new computer every year who knows why.
Anyway, I don't agree with Microsoft when it comes to how they introduce their new stuff to the public. It was this way with XP and now will be with 7.
It should be our decision updating or not, but it looks like they always want to decide on their own what we have to do.
Well at least I'm already with my dear Win 10 and we are making a good job together. So it won't be a problem for me, not really.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 18:04, Monte Single escreveu:

No, I don�t think anybody said anything about� buying a new computer every year.� I would think that most people still using win 7 have machines that are four years or older.�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Eventually it will� happen on one way or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new computer every single year? I don't think so.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single escreveu:

A lot of older machines will not have the right hardware to run win 10.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

But what's the link between buying a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your point here, really.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single escreveu:

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-19 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi,

The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).

Cheers,

Joseph

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

It is very easy to find out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Monte Single

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid 2020,� any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven�t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I�d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I�m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

�

�

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.� Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.� But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.� But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

�

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.� So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

--
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Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet".

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Re: screen curtain

Sarah k Alawami
 

No, it does not. Or at least it should not be. Basically a black curtain is put over the screen but if you feel the screen you might still feel heat from it, if these screens still produce heat, mine does.

On 15 Jan 2019, at 11:20, Brice Mijares wrote:

If you have screen curtain toggled on, does this mean the monitor is off and is saving energy? thanks.


Re: Want to upgrade computer

Sarah k Alawami
 

That would be ideal. I mean, the companies would always be in the black if we all did that, even if it was a 600 dollar computer. We just baught nother computer for the family this year, actually it was for someone else, but I think others will be borrowig it. 8 gigs of ram, I think the 5th gen processers, I think 2 cores and a 1 tb ssd drive.

Take care

On 15 Jan 2019, at 11:09, Monte Single wrote:

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-19 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Hi,

The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

It is very easy to find out.  Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;  mid jan 2020, mid 2020,  any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I’m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven’t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I’d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It’s only more recently that I’ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I’m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I’m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

 

 

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.  Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.  But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.  Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.  I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.  But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

 

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.  But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?  What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?  You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.  So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?  If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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Re: Want to upgrade computer

JM Casey
 

Nah, I don’t think you’re alone in that at all.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January 15, 2019 4:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

I got your point. And, after all, you're right.
Sometimes I would like things in the tech world were a little slower. They change so fast that when we see it's another product and the one we just bought is no longer working as expected.
Maybe I'm the only one with this feeling? Smile.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 18:59, JM Casey escreveu:

Forgive me if I�m just not understanding the whole context of this discussion (there seems to be a lot of it), but it still ultimately is your decision.

The problem is that as software, including the oS, moves forward, things stop being supported and no longer work as expected. It�s a sort of balancing act, getting all the programmes on our systems to work reasonably well together, in conjunction with the operating system, which is itself a very complex piece of software with many parts that run concurrently.

�

But ultimately, you can keep using old software for as long as you want, although I understand that Windows 10 home for instance only offers a limited amount of control over updates; there�s probably a way to alter this in the registry even there if someone is so inclined, for some reason.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January 15, 2019 3:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Well, you wrote

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

I was thinking you were saying something like, people buying a new computer every year who knows why.
Anyway, I don't agree with Microsoft when it comes to how they introduce their new stuff to the public. It was this way with XP and now will be with 7.
It should be our decision updating or not, but it looks like they always want to decide on their own what we have to do.
Well at least I'm already with my dear Win 10 and we are making a good job together. So it won't be a problem for me, not really.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 18:04, Monte Single escreveu:

No, I don�t think anybody said anything about� buying a new computer every year.� I would think that most people still using win 7 have machines that are four years or older.�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Eventually it will� happen on one way or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new computer every single year? I don't think so.


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Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single escreveu:

A lot of older machines will not have the right hardware to run win 10.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

But what's the link between buying a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your point here, really.


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Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single escreveu:

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-19 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi,

The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).

Cheers,

Joseph

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

It is very easy to find out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid 2020,� any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven�t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I�d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I�m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

�

�

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.� Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.� But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.� But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

�

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.� So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

--
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Re: Want to upgrade computer

 

I got your point. And, after all, you're right.
Sometimes I would like things in the tech world were a little slower. They change so fast that when we see it's another product and the one we just bought is no longer working as expected.
Maybe I'm the only one with this feeling? Smile.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 18:59, JM Casey escreveu:

Forgive me if I�m just not understanding the whole context of this discussion (there seems to be a lot of it), but it still ultimately is your decision.

The problem is that as software, including the oS, moves forward, things stop being supported and no longer work as expected. It�s a sort of balancing act, getting all the programmes on our systems to work reasonably well together, in conjunction with the operating system, which is itself a very complex piece of software with many parts that run concurrently.

�

But ultimately, you can keep using old software for as long as you want, although I understand that Windows 10 home for instance only offers a limited amount of control over updates; there�s probably a way to alter this in the registry even there if someone is so inclined, for some reason.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January 15, 2019 3:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Well, you wrote

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

I was thinking you were saying something like, people buying a new computer every year who knows why.
Anyway, I don't agree with Microsoft when it comes to how they introduce their new stuff to the public. It was this way with XP and now will be with 7.
It should be our decision updating or not, but it looks like they always want to decide on their own what we have to do.
Well at least I'm already with my dear Win 10 and we are making a good job together. So it won't be a problem for me, not really.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 18:04, Monte Single escreveu:

No, I don�t think anybody said anything about� buying a new computer every year.� I would think that most people still using win 7 have machines that are four years or older.�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Eventually it will� happen on one way or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new computer every single year? I don't think so.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single escreveu:

A lot of older machines will not have the right hardware to run win 10.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

But what's the link between buying a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your point here, really.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single escreveu:

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-19 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi,

The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).

Cheers,

Joseph

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

It is very easy to find out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Monte Single

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid 2020,� any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven�t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I�d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I�m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

�

�

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.� Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.� But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.� But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

�

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.� So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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Re: Want to upgrade computer

JM Casey
 

I expect to get about ten years out of a computer, and that’s more than many would, I’m aware. Luckily this desktop system is very easy to upgrade in terms of ram, drives and so on.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: January 15, 2019 3:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

No, I don’t think anybody said anything about  buying a new computer every year.  I would think that most people still using win 7 have machines that are four years or older. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Eventually it will� happen on one way or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new computer every single year? I don't think so.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single escreveu:

A lot of older machines will not have the right hardware to run win 10.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

But what's the link between buying a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your point here, really.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single escreveu:

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-19 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi,

The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).

Cheers,

Joseph

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

It is very easy to find out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid 2020,� any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven�t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I�d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I�m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

�

�

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.� Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.� But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.� But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

�

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.� So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

--
Normal people think "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet".

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Re: Want to upgrade computer

JM Casey
 

Forgive me if I’m just not understanding the whole context of this discussion (there seems to be a lot of it), but it still ultimately is your decision.

The problem is that as software, including the oS, moves forward, things stop being supported and no longer work as expected. It’s a sort of balancing act, getting all the programmes on our systems to work reasonably well together, in conjunction with the operating system, which is itself a very complex piece of software with many parts that run concurrently.

 

But ultimately, you can keep using old software for as long as you want, although I understand that Windows 10 home for instance only offers a limited amount of control over updates; there’s probably a way to alter this in the registry even there if someone is so inclined, for some reason.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January 15, 2019 3:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Well, you wrote

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

I was thinking you were saying something like, people buying a new computer every year who knows why.
Anyway, I don't agree with Microsoft when it comes to how they introduce their new stuff to the public. It was this way with XP and now will be with 7.
It should be our decision updating or not, but it looks like they always want to decide on their own what we have to do.
Well at least I'm already with my dear Win 10 and we are making a good job together. So it won't be a problem for me, not really.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 18:04, Monte Single escreveu:

No, I don�t think anybody said anything about� buying a new computer every year.� I would think that most people still using win 7 have machines that are four years or older.�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Eventually it will� happen on one way or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new computer every single year? I don't think so.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single escreveu:

A lot of older machines will not have the right hardware to run win 10.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

But what's the link between buying a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your point here, really.


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single escreveu:

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-19 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi,

The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).

Cheers,

Joseph

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

It is very easy to find out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid 2020,� any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven�t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I�d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I�m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

�

�

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.� Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.� But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.� But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

�

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.� So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

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Re: Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Thank you so much Richard!

I am thankful for this list!  There is always someone to come to the rescue!

Blessings.

Pascal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Richard Wells
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

 

Pascal: It sounds like you may have accidentally activated Tablet mode. Press WINDOWS-KEY+A and make sure the Tablet button is not pressed. If it is, press SPACE-BAR to toggle it off.

On 1/15/2019 8:39 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Hi All,

Please help!  For some reason I cannot figure out, when I start my computer, it does not land on the desktop but on something called ‘life at a glancd-group header” with some icons under for calendar, weather…

I probably did something unintentionally and now I cannot find a way to get back to the desktop.  Pleas help.

Boy, I am glad this list is there for some of us who are not computer savvy!

Many thanks.

Blessings

Pascal


Re: Updating Computer and Jarte?

 

Hi,
In regards to NVDA, you don't have to uninstall the older version after downloading the newest release, as the new version will simply override the older one. Also, the latest version is 2018.4.1.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Russell
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 12:19 PM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Updating Computer and Jarte?

Hello NVDA Group,

Joseph, thank you for your concise answer regarding the future of Windows 7 and also NVDA. I am updating my NVDA from 2016 to 2018.1 which was recommended by the folks at Knowbility, and then my FF browser from 52 to 64.

I primarily use Jarte as my Word Processor, and wonder if anyone knows:
(1) How do you get NVDA to identify font being used in the "free version"?
(2) If I download a more current version of Jarte, do I need to uninstall the older former version?
The same question applies to NVDA, too. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...


Updating Computer and Jarte?

David Russell
 

Hello NVDA Group,

Joseph, thank you for your concise answer regarding the future of
Windows 7 and also NVDA. I am updating my NVDA from 2016 to 2018.1
which was recommended by the folks at Knowbility, and then my FF
browser from 52 to 64.

I primarily use Jarte as my Word Processor, and wonder if anyone knows:
(1) How do you get NVDA to identify font being used in the "free version"?
(2) If I download a more current version of Jarte, do I need to
uninstall the older former version?
The same question applies to NVDA, too. Thanks.

--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...


Re: Want to upgrade computer

 

Well, you wrote
So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?
I was thinking you were saying something like, people buying a new computer every year who knows why.
Anyway, I don't agree with Microsoft when it comes to how they introduce their new stuff to the public. It was this way with XP and now will be with 7.
It should be our decision updating or not, but it looks like they always want to decide on their own what we have to do.
Well at least I'm already with my dear Win 10 and we are making a good job together. So it won't be a problem for me, not really.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 15/01/2019 18:04, Monte Single escreveu:

No, I don�t think anybody said anything about� buying a new computer every year.� I would think that most people still using win 7 have machines that are four years or older.�

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Eventually it will� happen on one way or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new computer every single year? I don't think so.


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single escreveu:

A lot of older machines will not have the right hardware to run win 10.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

But what's the link between buying a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your point here, really.


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single escreveu:

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-19 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi,

The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).

Cheers,

Joseph

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

It is very easy to find out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Monte Single

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid 2020,� any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven�t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I�d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I�m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

�

�

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.� Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.� But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.� But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

�

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Antony Stone

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.� So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

--
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Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet".

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Re: Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

Monte Single
 

I think the word tablet was picked because clay/wax tablets were used to
write on from the Romans and even further back.

-----Original Message-----
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Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started

Whenever I hear the word tablet, I think of pills for medication. I think
its an unfortunate choice of word by the industry myself. I often chuckle at
it when I think of somebody swallowing the tablet.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Wells" <richwels@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started


Pascal: It sounds like you may have accidentally activated Tablet mode.
Press WINDOWS-KEY+A and make sure the Tablet button is not pressed. If
it is, press SPACE-BAR to toggle it off.

On 1/15/2019 8:39 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote:

Hi All,

Please help! For some reason I cannot figure out, when I start my
computer, it does not land on the desktop but on something called
life at a glancd-group header with some icons under for calendar,
weather

I probably did something unintentionally and now I cannot find a way
to get back to the desktop. Pleas help.

Boy, I am glad this list is there for some of us who are not computer
savvy!

Many thanks.

Blessings

Pascal




Re: Want to upgrade computer

Monte Single
 

No, I don’t think anybody said anything about  buying a new computer every year.  I would think that most people still using win 7 have machines that are four years or older. 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

 

Eventually it will� happen on one way or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new computer every single year? I don't think so.


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single escreveu:

A lot of older machines will not have the right hardware to run win 10.

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January-15-19 1:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

But what's the link between buying a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your point here, really.


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single escreveu:

So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-19 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi,

The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).

Cheers,

Joseph

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

It is very easy to find out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say.�

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid 2020,� any other bids?

Thanks,

Monte

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: January-15-19 4:47 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Hi!

Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven�t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I�d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I�m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade.

Bye for now!

From Clare

�

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: lundi 14 janvier 2019 18:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram.

But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit.

�

�

On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote:

I doubt what you are saying is correct.� Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.� But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.� But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem.

�

All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion.

�

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer

�

If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.

This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.

Antony.

On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:

> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.� So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?

--
Normal people think "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet".

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