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In-Process for 16th January 2019
Hi everyone,
A new NVDA release to start the year, an update to the Certification
exam, and a Spanish geography lesson - all that and more in the first
In-Process for 2019:
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Re: Win10 not landing on the desktop when started
Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
Robert, In essence you are right. I accidentally had my tablet checked and that is why it did not go to the start menu. Richard was kind to point that out. Thanks Blessings. Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 6:01 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started Pascal , In windows 10 it is rare that it will ever land on the desktop as in olden days. In most cases you will find yourself on the task bar or near the start button. ***
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
**** ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 11:09 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 not landing on the desktop when started Pascal: It sounds like you may have accidentally activated Tablet mode. Press WINDOWS-KEY+A and make sure the Tablet button is not pressed. If it is, press SPACE-BAR to toggle it off. On 1/15/2019 8:39 AM, Pascal Lambert wrote: Hi All, Please help! For some reason I cannot figure out, when I start my computer, it does not land on the desktop but on something called ‘life at a glancd-group header” with some icons under for calendar, weather… I probably did something unintentionally and now I cannot find a way to get back to the desktop. Pleas help. Boy, I am glad this list is there for some of us who are not computer savvy! Many thanks. Blessings Pascal
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Re: Sending Synthesizer Audio To another Source
Hi Dave,
DId you see the replies to your other question on this? Press NVDA+control+s to open NVDA's synthesizer dialog, then press TAB once to move to the "Output device" and set that to the output device you would like to use.
Regards
Quentin.
On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 10:10 AM Dave Marthouse < dmarthouse@...> wrote: I am using NVDA as a screen reader in conjunction with some broadcast
automation software.
I want to send the synthesizer audio to another set of speakers as
naturally I do not want to have the software synthesizer mixing with
on-air audio.
Any information on how this can be accomplished would be appreciated.
--
Dave Marthouse
dmarthouse@...
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Sending Synthesizer Audio To another Source
Dave Marthouse <dmarthouse@...>
I am using NVDA as a screen reader in conjunction with some broadcast automation software.
I want to send the synthesizer audio to another set of speakers as naturally I do not want to have the software synthesizer mixing with on-air audio.
Any information on how this can be accomplished would be appreciated.
--
Dave Marthouse
dmarthouse@...
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Re: Win10 not landing on the desktop when started
Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Pascal , In windows 10 it is rare that it will ever
land on the desktop as in olden days. In most cases you will find yourself on
the task bar or near the start button.
***
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough
spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if
you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
****
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 11:09
AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Win10 not landing on
the desktop when started
Pascal: It sounds like you may have accidentally activated Tablet mode.
Press WINDOWS-KEY+A and make sure the Tablet button is not pressed. If it is,
press SPACE-BAR to toggle it off.
On 1/15/2019 8:39 AM, Pascal Lambert
wrote:
Hi All,
Please help! For some reason I cannot figure out,
when I start my computer, it does not land on the desktop but on something
called ‘life at a glancd-group header” with some icons under for calendar,
weather…
I probably did something unintentionally and now I cannot
find a way to get back to the desktop. Pleas help.
Boy, I am glad this list is there for some of us who are
not computer savvy!
Many thanks.
Blessings
Pascal
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Hi David,
Press NVDA+f to have NVDA report the current formatting information, including font name. The current version of Jarte seems to have Calibri 11 as the default font, which is the same as Word currently.
Spell check is done using F7.
NVDA+f is a standard NVDA command, so you can use that most places to find the current font information. F7 is an almost universal keystroke for spell check - most programs which implement a spell check feature, tend to use F7 (there are exceptions).
Regards
Quentin.
Hi all,
I could not fully read the recent digest as there were myriad of posts
to updating computer.
My question is for those who use Jarte, the free version.
1. How do you get NVDA to read which font you are in?
2. How do you enable the audio spellcheck in Jarte, older version from 2016.
Thanks for help.
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...
-- Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager
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Re: Secondary Audio Output
Dave Marthouse <dmarthouse@...>
Thanks for the information.
I'll give it a try.
Dave
On 1/15/2019 5:31 PM, marcio via
Groups.Io wrote:
If you go to the speech settings, when you find the button to
change the synth, just press it and you'll be in a dialog where
you can also set a device to where you want to direct the sound.
Hth
Em 15/01/2019 20:06, Dave Marthouse
escreveu:
I am
using NVDA as a screen reader in conjunction with some broadcast
automation software.
I want to send the synthesizer audio to another set of speakers
as naturally I do not want to have the software synthesizer
mixing with on-air audio.
Any information on how this can be accomplished would be
appreciated.
-- Dave Marthouse
dmarthouse@...
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Re: Secondary Audio Output
If you go to the speech settings, when you find the button to change
the synth, just press it and you'll be in a dialog where you can
also set a device to where you want to direct the sound.
Hth
Em 15/01/2019 20:06, Dave Marthouse
escreveu:
I am
using NVDA as a screen reader in conjunction with some broadcast
automation software.
I want to send the synthesizer audio to another set of speakers as
naturally I do not want to have the software synthesizer mixing
with on-air audio.
Any information on how this can be accomplished would be
appreciated.
-- Dave Marthouse
dmarthouse@...
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Hi all,
I could not fully read the recent digest as there were myriad of posts
to updating computer.
My question is for those who use Jarte, the free version.
1. How do you get NVDA to read which font you are in?
2. How do you enable the audio spellcheck in Jarte, older version from 2016.
Thanks for help.
--
David Russell
david.sonofhashem@...
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Re: command prompt spelling out output
Sarah k Alawami
I have speak words on and it does not spell output, only when speak characters is on. I have not tested with chars and words both, but try words ony.
Take care
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On 15 Jan 2019, at 14:03, Gene wrote:
I think this happens when speak words and speak characters are both
on.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt spelling out
output
So
if I set NVDA to say just words instead of characters it's not going to happen,
I got it right?
Em 15/01/2019 17:42, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io escreveu:
Yes
speak typed words not characters, but I also notice this is not a universal
issue, ie sometimes it will sometimes it wont.
Brian
bglists@...
Sent
via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "marcio via Groups.Io" mailto:marcinhorj21@...
To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent:
Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt
spelling out output
It's really annoying. I ever wanted to know a way to
make it stops.
Looking for this thread. Hope we can get some good
answers.
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 15/01/2019 15:32, enes sarıbaş escreveu:
hi,
Is there a way to prevent NVDA from
spelling out the output when
speaked typed characters is on? This is
extremely annoying.
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Dave Marthouse <dmarthouse@...>
I am using NVDA as a screen reader in conjunction with some broadcast automation software.
I want to send the synthesizer audio to another set of speakers as naturally I do not want to have the software synthesizer mixing with on-air audio.
Any information on how this can be accomplished would be appreciated.
-- Dave Marthouse
dmarthouse@...
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Re: command prompt spelling out output
But here I have the echo only for the characters typed and it's
still happening.
Maybe I could try disabling this and enabling the other to see what
happens, I'll do it.
Em 15/01/2019 20:03, Gene escreveu:
I think this happens when speak words and speak
characters are both on.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt spelling
out output
So if I set NVDA to say just words instead of characters
it's not going to happen, I got it right?
Em 15/01/2019 17:42, Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:
Yes speak typed words not characters, but I
also notice this is not a universal issue, ie sometimes it
will sometimes it wont.
Brian
bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@...,
putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "marcio via Groups.Io"
mailto:marcinhorj21@...
To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt spelling out output
It's really annoying. I ever
wanted to know a way to make it stops.
Looking for this thread. Hope we can get some good
answers.
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 15/01/2019 15:32, enes sarıbaş escreveu:
hi,
Is there a way to prevent NVDA from spelling out the
output when
speaked typed characters is on? This is extremely
annoying.
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Re: command prompt spelling out output
I think this happens when speak words and speak characters are both
on.
Gene
toggle quoted messageShow quoted text
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 1:48 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt spelling out
output
So
if I set NVDA to say just words instead of characters it's not going to happen,
I got it right?
Em 15/01/2019 17:42, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io escreveu:
Yes
speak typed words not characters, but I also notice this is not a universal
issue, ie sometimes it will sometimes it wont.
Brian
bglists@...
Sent
via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "marcio via Groups.Io" mailto:marcinhorj21@...
To: mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent:
Tuesday, January 15, 2019 5:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] command prompt
spelling out output
It's really annoying. I ever wanted to know a way to
make it stops.
Looking for this thread. Hope we can get some good
answers.
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 15/01/2019 15:32, enes sarıbaş escreveu:
hi,
Is there a way to prevent NVDA from
spelling out the output when
speaked typed characters is on? This is
extremely annoying.
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Thanks to all who have given feedback on this...there are some interesting avenues to go down.
Richard Bartholomew
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H Sent: 15 January 2019 17:10 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] video games Don't know if anyone mentioned this web site http://www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm
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Re: Want to upgrade computer
Wow, what a drag that is. Yeah…
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: January 15, 2019 4:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer No, my capture card as soon as I bought it was no longer supported by the company. They quite answering emails about it, quit selling it etc. I was and am still not a happy camper, especially now as it died during a marathon stream last week. But then elgato had not come out with anything new for about 3 years so it was time. I'm still anoyed as now I have a not so cheap paper weight. Lol! Take care On 15 Jan 2019, at 13:20, marcio via Groups.Io wrote: I got your point. And, after all, you're right.
Sometimes I would like things in the tech world were a little slower. They change so fast that when we see it's another product and the one we just bought is no longer working as expected.
Maybe I'm the only one with this feeling? Smile. Em 15/01/2019 18:59, JM Casey escreveu: Forgive me if I�m just not understanding the whole context of this discussion (there seems to be a lot of it), but it still ultimately is your decision. The problem is that as software, including the oS, moves forward, things stop being supported and no longer work as expected. It�s a sort of balancing act, getting all the programmes on our systems to work reasonably well together, in conjunction with the operating system, which is itself a very complex piece of software with many parts that run concurrently. � But ultimately, you can keep using old software for as long as you want, although I understand that Windows 10 home for instance only offers a limited amount of control over updates; there�s probably a way to alter this in the registry even there if someone is so inclined, for some reason. � � Well, you wrote So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?
I was thinking you were saying something like, people buying a new computer every year who knows why.
Anyway, I don't agree with Microsoft when it comes to how they introduce their new stuff to the public. It was this way with XP and now will be with 7.
It should be our decision updating or not, but it looks like they always want to decide on their own what we have to do.
Well at least I'm already with my dear Win 10 and we are making a good job together. So it won't be a problem for me, not really.
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter Em 15/01/2019 18:04, Monte Single escreveu: No, I don�t think anybody said anything about� buying a new computer every year.� I would think that most people still using win 7 have machines that are four years or older.� � � Eventually it will� happen on one way or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new computer every single year? I don't think so. Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single escreveu: A lot of older machines will not have the right hardware to run win 10. � � But what's the link between buying a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your point here, really. Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single escreveu: So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now? � � Hi, The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left). Cheers, Joseph � � It is very easy to find out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say.� ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid 2020,� any other bids? Thanks, Monte � � Hi! Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven�t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I�d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I�m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade. Bye for now! From Clare � � Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram. But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit. � � On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote: I doubt what you are saying is correct.� Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.� But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.� But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem. All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.
This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.
Antony.
On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:
> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.� So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?
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Normal people think "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".
Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet".
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Re: Want to upgrade computer
Sarah k Alawami
No, my capture card as soon as I bought it was no longer supported by the company. They quite answering emails about it, quit selling it etc. I was and am still not a happy camper, especially now as it died during a marathon stream last week. But then elgato had not come out with anything new for about 3 years so it was time. I'm still anoyed as now I have a not so cheap paper weight. Lol!
Take care
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On 15 Jan 2019, at 13:20, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
I got your point. And, after all, you're right.
Sometimes I would like things in the tech world were a little
slower. They change so fast that when we see it's another product
and the one we just bought is no longer working as expected.
Maybe I'm the only one with this feeling? Smile.
Em 15/01/2019 18:59, JM Casey escreveu:
Forgive me if I�m just
not understanding the whole context of this discussion
(there seems to be a lot of it), but it still ultimately is
your decision.
The problem is that as
software, including the oS, moves forward, things stop being
supported and no longer work as expected. It�s a sort of
balancing act, getting all the programmes on our systems to
work reasonably well together, in conjunction with the
operating system, which is itself a very complex piece of
software with many parts that run concurrently.
�
But ultimately, you can
keep using old software for as long as you want, although I
understand that Windows 10 home for instance only offers a
limited amount of control over updates; there�s probably a
way to alter this in the registry even there if someone is
so inclined, for some reason.
�
�
Well, you wrote
So does that mean hundreds of millions
of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?
I was thinking you were saying something
like, people buying a new computer every year who knows why.
Anyway, I don't agree with Microsoft when it comes to how
they introduce their new stuff to the public. It was this
way with XP and now will be with 7.
It should be our decision updating or not, but it looks like
they always want to decide on their own what we have to do.
Well at least I'm already with my dear Win 10 and we are
making a good job together. So it won't be a problem for me,
not really.
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter
Em 15/01/2019 18:04, Monte Single
escreveu:
No, I don�t think anybody said
anything about� buying a new computer every year.� I
would think that most people still using win 7 have
machines that are four years or older.�
�
�
Eventually it will� happen on one way
or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new
computer every single year? I don't think so.
Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single
escreveu:
A lot of older machines will not
have the right hardware to run win 10.
�
�
But what's the link between buying
a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your
point here, really.
Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single
escreveu:
So does that mean hundreds of
millions of people will be buying a new computer a
year from now?
�
�
Hi,
The official
answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).
Cheers,
Joseph
�
�
It is very easy to find
out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7
support and see what known reliable sources
say.�
----- Original Message
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Sent: Tuesday,
January 15, 2019 7:18 AM
Subject: Re:
[nvda] Want to upgrade computer
I am hearing different times
for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid
2020,� any other bids?
Thanks,
Monte
�
�
Hi!
Actually,
32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer.
The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is
64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit
versions which I have installed, I haven�t had
problems with the ones I use which are only
32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is
my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011,
but I knew I�d do a certain amount of
multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of
RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard
of people having much more RAM than that. I�m
considering upgrading my computer as well, as
Windows 7 is no longer supported from
mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread
with interest, it might give me some idea of
what to look for as far as specification goes
when the time comes to upgrade.
Bye for now!
From Clare
�
�
Actually if you can handle it I
found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on
win7 with 4gb ram.
But if you like older software
I'd stay with 32 bit.
�
�
On 15/01/2019
12:51 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt
what you are saying is correct.� Its true
that 32bit Windows is limited in memory
access, as you say.� But at the same time,
32 bit versions of Windows require far less
memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10
is much more, if at all memory intensive
than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs
for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than
for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true,
but the limitation may make Windows 10 run
less efficiently if a very memory intensive
program is being used.� But for typical
uses, I doubt there is a problem.
All of
which may have no bearing on the current
situation because the computer may be a 64
bit computer and the version of Windows that
may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But
for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is
following the thread, I think this point
needs further discussion.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37
AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade
computer
If you have a
32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether
the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not
use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.
This tends to give disappointing performance
when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being
a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.
Antony.
On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene
wrote:
> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows
10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is
currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes
two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but
we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems
or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.�
So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't
pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade
computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a
"normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of
RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting
Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive
Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38,
farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is
core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?
--
Normal people think "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it".
Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't
have enough features yet".
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Sarah k Alawami
No, it does not. Or at least it should not be. Basically a black curtain is put over the screen but if you feel the screen you might still feel heat from it, if these screens still produce heat, mine does.
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On 15 Jan 2019, at 11:20, Brice Mijares wrote:
If you have screen curtain toggled on, does this mean the monitor is off and is saving energy? thanks.
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Re: Want to upgrade computer
Sarah k Alawami
That would be ideal. I mean, the companies would always be in the black if we all did that, even if it was a 600 dollar computer. We just baught nother computer for the family this year, actually it was for someone else, but I think others will be borrowig it. 8 gigs of ram, I think the 5th gen processers, I think 2 cores and a 1 tb ssd drive.
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On 15 Jan 2019, at 11:09, Monte Single wrote:
So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now? From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: January-15-19 9:21 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer Hi, The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left). Cheers, Joseph It is very easy to find out. Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support; mid jan 2020, mid 2020, any other bids? Thanks, Monte Hi! Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I’m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven’t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I’d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It’s only more recently that I’ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I’m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I’m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade. Bye for now! From Clare Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram. But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit. On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote: I doubt what you are saying is correct. Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say. But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8. Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit. I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used. But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem. All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit. But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.
This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.
Antony.
On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:
> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10? What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run? You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion. So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade? If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?
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Re: Want to upgrade computer
Nah, I don’t think you’re alone in that at all.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: January 15, 2019 4:21 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer I got your point. And, after all, you're right.
Sometimes I would like things in the tech world were a little slower. They change so fast that when we see it's another product and the one we just bought is no longer working as expected.
Maybe I'm the only one with this feeling? Smile. Em 15/01/2019 18:59, JM Casey escreveu: Forgive me if I�m just not understanding the whole context of this discussion (there seems to be a lot of it), but it still ultimately is your decision. The problem is that as software, including the oS, moves forward, things stop being supported and no longer work as expected. It�s a sort of balancing act, getting all the programmes on our systems to work reasonably well together, in conjunction with the operating system, which is itself a very complex piece of software with many parts that run concurrently. � But ultimately, you can keep using old software for as long as you want, although I understand that Windows 10 home for instance only offers a limited amount of control over updates; there�s probably a way to alter this in the registry even there if someone is so inclined, for some reason. � � Well, you wrote So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?
I was thinking you were saying something like, people buying a new computer every year who knows why.
Anyway, I don't agree with Microsoft when it comes to how they introduce their new stuff to the public. It was this way with XP and now will be with 7.
It should be our decision updating or not, but it looks like they always want to decide on their own what we have to do.
Well at least I'm already with my dear Win 10 and we are making a good job together. So it won't be a problem for me, not really.
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter Em 15/01/2019 18:04, Monte Single escreveu: No, I don�t think anybody said anything about� buying a new computer every year.� I would think that most people still using win 7 have machines that are four years or older.� � � Eventually it will� happen on one way or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new computer every single year? I don't think so. Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single escreveu: A lot of older machines will not have the right hardware to run win 10. � � But what's the link between buying a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your point here, really. Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single escreveu: So does that mean hundreds of millions of people will be buying a new computer a year from now? � � Hi, The official answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left). Cheers, Joseph � � It is very easy to find out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7 support and see what known reliable sources say.� ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2019 7:18 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer I am hearing different times for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid 2020,� any other bids? Thanks, Monte � � Hi! Actually, 32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer. The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is 64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit versions which I have installed, I haven�t had problems with the ones I use which are only 32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011, but I knew I�d do a certain amount of multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard of people having much more RAM than that. I�m considering upgrading my computer as well, as Windows 7 is no longer supported from mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread with interest, it might give me some idea of what to look for as far as specification goes when the time comes to upgrade. Bye for now! From Clare � � Actually if you can handle it I found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on win7 with 4gb ram. But if you like older software I'd stay with 32 bit. � � On 15/01/2019 12:51 AM, Gene wrote: I doubt what you are saying is correct.� Its true that 32bit Windows is limited in memory access, as you say.� But at the same time, 32 bit versions of Windows require far less memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10 is much more, if at all memory intensive than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true, but the limitation may make Windows 10 run less efficiently if a very memory intensive program is being used.� But for typical uses, I doubt there is a problem. All of which may have no bearing on the current situation because the computer may be a 64 bit computer and the version of Windows that may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is following the thread, I think this point needs further discussion. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer If you have a 32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.
This tends to give disappointing performance when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.
Antony.
On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene wrote:
> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows 10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.� So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a "normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38, farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?
--
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Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't have enough features yet".
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Re: Want to upgrade computer
I got your point. And, after all, you're right.
Sometimes I would like things in the tech world were a little
slower. They change so fast that when we see it's another product
and the one we just bought is no longer working as expected.
Maybe I'm the only one with this feeling? Smile.
Em 15/01/2019 18:59, JM Casey escreveu:
Forgive me if I�m just
not understanding the whole context of this discussion
(there seems to be a lot of it), but it still ultimately is
your decision.
The problem is that as
software, including the oS, moves forward, things stop being
supported and no longer work as expected. It�s a sort of
balancing act, getting all the programmes on our systems to
work reasonably well together, in conjunction with the
operating system, which is itself a very complex piece of
software with many parts that run concurrently.
�
But ultimately, you can
keep using old software for as long as you want, although I
understand that Windows 10 home for instance only offers a
limited amount of control over updates; there�s probably a
way to alter this in the registry even there if someone is
so inclined, for some reason.
�
�
Well, you wrote
So does that mean hundreds of millions
of people will be buying a new computer a year from now?
I was thinking you were saying something
like, people buying a new computer every year who knows why.
Anyway, I don't agree with Microsoft when it comes to how
they introduce their new stuff to the public. It was this
way with XP and now will be with 7.
It should be our decision updating or not, but it looks like
they always want to decide on their own what we have to do.
Well at least I'm already with my dear Win 10 and we are
making a good job together. So it won't be a problem for me,
not really.
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter
Em 15/01/2019 18:04, Monte Single
escreveu:
No, I don�t think anybody said
anything about� buying a new computer every year.� I
would think that most people still using win 7 have
machines that are four years or older.�
�
�
Eventually it will� happen on one way
or on� the other. But does it really mean buying a new
computer every single year? I don't think so.
Em 15/01/2019 17:15, Monte Single
escreveu:
A lot of older machines will not
have the right hardware to run win 10.
�
�
But what's the link between buying
a new computer and updating Windows? I can't get your
point here, really.
Em 15/01/2019 17:09, Monte Single
escreveu:
So does that mean hundreds of
millions of people will be buying a new computer a
year from now?
�
�
Hi,
The official
answer: January 14, 2020 )one year left).
Cheers,
Joseph
�
�
It is very easy to find
out.� Do a Google search for end of Windows 7
support and see what known reliable sources
say.�
----- Original Message
-----
Sent: Tuesday,
January 15, 2019 7:18 AM
Subject: Re:
[nvda] Want to upgrade computer
I am hearing different times
for the end of win 7 support;� mid jan 2020, mid
2020,� any other bids?
Thanks,
Monte
�
�
Hi!
Actually,
32-bit software works fine on a 64-bit computer.
The Windows 7 laptop I�m using right now is
64-bit, and, although some programs have 64-bit
versions which I have installed, I haven�t had
problems with the ones I use which are only
32-bit, and some of those are pretty old. So is
my computer actually, I bought it back in 2011,
but I knew I�d do a certain amount of
multi-tasking with it, so I got one with 4 GB of
RAM. It�s only more recently that I�ve heard
of people having much more RAM than that. I�m
considering upgrading my computer as well, as
Windows 7 is no longer supported from
mid-January 2020, so I�m reading this thread
with interest, it might give me some idea of
what to look for as far as specification goes
when the time comes to upgrade.
Bye for now!
From Clare
�
�
Actually if you can handle it I
found a speed improvement with 64 bit windows on
win7 with 4gb ram.
But if you like older software
I'd stay with 32 bit.
�
�
On 15/01/2019
12:51 AM, Gene wrote:
I doubt
what you are saying is correct.� Its true
that 32bit Windows is limited in memory
access, as you say.� But at the same time,
32 bit versions of Windows require far less
memory and I very much doubt that Windows 10
is much more, if at all memory intensive
than Windows 7 or Windows 8.� Memory needs
for 32bit Windows are dramatically less than
for 64bit.� I don't know if this is true,
but the limitation may make Windows 10 run
less efficiently if a very memory intensive
program is being used.� But for typical
uses, I doubt there is a problem.
All of
which may have no bearing on the current
situation because the computer may be a 64
bit computer and the version of Windows that
may be upgraded to may well be 64bit.� But
for anyone who has a 32bit computer who is
following the thread, I think this point
needs further discussion.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:37
AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade
computer
If you have a
32-bit version of Windows (no matter whether
the machine's
hardware is 32- or 64-bit) then it will not
use more than 3Gbytes of RAM.
This tends to give disappointing performance
when running a screenreader
alongside other applications, as well as being
a waste of money for the
unusable RAM.
Antony.
On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:35:38, Gene
wrote:
> Isn't there a 32 bit version of Windows
10?� What if the machine is a 32bit
> machine?
>
> Also, what version of Windows is
currently being run?� You may just have
> minor annoyances when Microsoft imposes
two full upgrades on you a year.
> Microsoft may slow the schedule down but
we don't know if it will, but
> some people have more annoying problems
or even serious ones after an
> imposed Microsoft upgrade on occasion.�
So my question is, why do you want
> to upgrade?� If the reason isn't
pressing, you might want to leave things
> as they are.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original message -----
>
> From: Antony Stone
> Sent: Monday, January 14, 2019 5:22 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Want to upgrade
computer
>
>
> 1. We don't know what you regard as a
"normal Windows 10 user".
>
> 2. I would recommend more than 4Gbytes of
RAM, and make certain you have
> 64- bit Windows.
>
> 3. See the thread on this list starting
Friday 11th entitled "Minimum Specs
> for NVDA with Other Intensive
Applications".
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Antony.
>
> On Monday 14 January 2019 at 12:16:38,
farhan israk wrote:
> > I want to upgrade my computer. Is
core i3 processor and 4gb ram enough
> > for normal windows 10 user?
--
Normal people think "If it ain't broke, don't
fix it".
Engineers think "If it ain't broke, it doesn't
have enough features yet".
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