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Re: Speech exception dictionary question

Chris Mullins
 

Hi
In the example Ralph gives, the two zeroes at the end of the line relate to
Case sensitivity (0=Off, 1=On)
Type (0=Anywhere, 1=Regular Expression, 2=Whole word only)

If a word begins with a punctuation or special character, a backslash should
preceed it for example:
\#7 Sharp Seven 0 0
Example of a regular expression type entry:
\bCo\.\s county 1 1

You will find the dictionary files in:
C:\Users\Username\AppData\Roaming\nvda\speechDicts\voiceDicts.v1

You will need to switch on "show hidden files" in Windows file options to be
able to see these files.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Ralf
Kefferpuetz
Sent: 17 January 2019 11:58
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Speech exception dictionary question

Both carry their entries in a text file.
In Window-wyes the format is:
Ttyl= talk to you later
In NVDA it would be
tyl talk to you later 0 0

You could do that manually or for example write a short autohotkey script to
convert line by line.

Cheers,
Ralf
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Samco
Sent: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2019 07:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Speech exception dictionary question

I'm just now switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA and liking it pretty well
thus far. I have hundreds of pronunciation
exceptions in the WE exception dictionary file. Is there a way of
transferring that information into NVDA?

Thanks,
Jeff


Re: BARD Express

Jonathan COHN
 

If you are talking about https://bard.loc.gov The Library of Congress Bard web site, I could not reproduce your issue. I believe there is also a Bard application for Windows and I have never worked with that.

Jonathan

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:51 AM
To: NVDA <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] BARD Express
Importance: Low

 

has there been any consideration to fix NVDA to read the entire annotation when searching for books in BARD express? Currantly it only reads the title, author and a fraction of the annotation then jumps to the narrator.

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Re: Speech exception dictionary question

Jonathan COHN
 

If the dictionary is really that simple, then two navy commands should make the changes.
1. gs/=/,/
This will change all first = signs to a comma.
2. gs/$/,,/
This will add two commas to the end of the line.

I expect there are ways to do this with notepad++ too, but I don't use it enough. If Windows 10 Linux mode actually has most of the Unix command lines, then you could put those two lines into a text file and then use
Sed -f myfile <WEDict > NVDAdic
Where myfile is the file with the two gs lines though you would actually want to remove the g at the beginning of the line.
WEdict is the Windows Eyes dictionary.
NVDAdict is the NVDA dictionary.

Note that all above statements are based on theory. I have not tried this.

Jonathan Cohn

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Samco
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 1:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Speech exception dictionary question
Importance: Low

I'm just now switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA and liking it pretty well thus far. I have hundreds of pronunciation exceptions in the WE exception dictionary file. Is there a way of transferring that information into NVDA?

Thanks,
Jeff


Re: Norwegian 8 dot braille table used by nvda

 

Hi,
Okay, the next step is asking NVDA people to implement needed changes via a
new GitHub issue.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lars Bjørndal
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 4:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Norwegian 8 dot braille table used by nvda

Hello,

I've now talked to the liblouis team about the change I suggest. You'll find
my post here:
<https://www.freelists.org/post/liblouis-liblouisxml/Switch-Norwegian-braill
e-table-in-NVDA>

Please tell me if I have to do anything more to get the new braille table
implemented.

Thanks in advance
Lars

On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 09:54:37AM +0100, Lars Bjørndal wrote:
Hi, Joseph!

Thank you for your quick reply!

You wrote:

Does the proposed table have issues of its own? If there are more issues
with the proposed braille table than the one NVDA uses now, I'm afraid we
may need to use the current table.

The table that we want to use, includes the table currently in use, and
the «new» table has extra definitions. I've tested the table, and I don't
see any issue.

The hex value indicates unassigned character/braille dot patterns.
Yes, that's right. And there is lot of undefined chars in the currently
used table.

I advise alerting Liblouis people about this.
I'm actively contributing to liblouis. I'm very certain that nobody will
disagree to this change.

Thanks in advance - Lars

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lars
Bjørndal
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Norwegian 8 dot braille table used by nvda

Hello, list!

For a long time there has been trouble with the Norwegian 8 dot computer
braill table used by nvda:

- Bullets and othe characters are represented by the typical \xxxxx
garbage.

In liblouis there is a corresponding table which is an extended version
of the table that are used currently.

Could you please use the table no-no-8dot.utb instead of
no-no-comp8.ctb?

I think the change is as simple as replacing the line:

addTable("no-no-comp8.ctb", _("Norwegian 8 dot computer braille"))

with:

addTable("no-no-8dot.utb", _("Norwegian 8 dot computer braille"))

in the file brailleTables.py in the source directory.

Thanks in advance - Lars







Re: Norwegian 8 dot braille table used by nvda

Lars Bjørndal <lars@...>
 

Hello,

I've now talked to the liblouis team about the change I suggest. You'll find my post here:
<https://www.freelists.org/post/liblouis-liblouisxml/Switch-Norwegian-braille-table-in-NVDA>

Please tell me if I have to do anything more to get the new braille table implemented.

Thanks in advance
Lars

On Mon, Jan 07, 2019 at 09:54:37AM +0100, Lars Bjørndal wrote:
Hi, Joseph!

Thank you for your quick reply!

You wrote:

Does the proposed table have issues of its own? If there are more issues with the proposed braille table than the one NVDA uses now, I'm afraid we may need to use the current table.
The table that we want to use, includes the table currently in use, and the «new» table has extra definitions. I've tested the table, and I don't see any issue.

The hex value indicates unassigned character/braille dot patterns.
Yes, that's right. And there is lot of undefined chars in the currently used table.

I advise alerting Liblouis people about this.
I'm actively contributing to liblouis. I'm very certain that nobody will disagree to this change.

Thanks in advance - Lars

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lars Bjørndal
Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2019 12:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Norwegian 8 dot braille table used by nvda

Hello, list!

For a long time there has been trouble with the Norwegian 8 dot computer braill table used by nvda:

- Bullets and othe characters are represented by the typical \xxxxx
garbage.

In liblouis there is a corresponding table which is an extended version of the table that are used currently.

Could you please use the table no-no-8dot.utb instead of no-no-comp8.ctb?

I think the change is as simple as replacing the line:

addTable("no-no-comp8.ctb", _("Norwegian 8 dot computer braille"))

with:

addTable("no-no-8dot.utb", _("Norwegian 8 dot computer braille"))

in the file brailleTables.py in the source directory.

Thanks in advance - Lars







Re: Speech exception dictionary question

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Both carry their entries in a text file.
In Window-wyes the format is:
Ttyl= talk to you later
In NVDA it would be
ttyl talk to you later 0 0

You could do that manually or for example write a short autohotkey script to convert line by line.

Cheers,
Ralf

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jeff Samco
Sent: Donnerstag, 17. Januar 2019 07:50
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Speech exception dictionary question

I'm just now switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA and liking it pretty well thus far. I have hundreds of pronunciation
exceptions in the WE exception dictionary file. Is there a way of transferring that information into NVDA?

Thanks,
Jeff


Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Gene
 

That's very odd. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:20 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

No. I'm using my built-in laptop keyboard.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 09:20, Gene escreveu:
Are you using a wireless keyboard?  Some wireless keyboards don't allow certain combinations of keys.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

I was using insert instead of capslock as my modifier key.
And guess what? When I checked capslock key to also do the work it did the trick. I could then give the command CTRL+NVDA+Right arrow without any problem at all.
How odd. Well at least now I know it works if I do it. Thanks for the tip.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 08:43, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:

out of curiosity are you using control and capslock?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Hi,

Hmmm, I see. Does restarting with add-ons disabled help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

I'm using the desktop layout.
Also, when I turn on the help to see what a certain command should do and press the command in question, NVDA just keeps silent, nothing happens at all.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 04:13, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Okay, when you open keyboard settings (Control+NVDA+K), what is the keyboard layout set to? Control+NVDA+right arrow will switch to the next synth settings ring if desktop layout is in use, otherwise it’ll move the review cursor to the next word (laptop layout).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi Joseph,
You mentioned that CONTROL+NVDA+right arrow would be a possibility as well as using the left arrow.
What happens here, however, is that when I press the first command, I don't get anything from it.
So you know what could be going on my side?


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 03:58, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Jackie is right, but I had another reason to ask Janet as to where she got that info: sources matter, too. If Janet searched for commands in Google, surely the first result would have been the NVDA user guide for the latest release, unless she found an answer from a specific source that claimed Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly.
For sake of completeness, here's what Control+NVDA+arro keys will do (if using laptop layout, add a Shift key to this mix):
Imagine you have a collection of circular panels with switches around the outer perimeter. You can turn each panel around, as well as move the switches up and down.
Each panel represents a speech synthesizer, and each switch represents a voice characteristic. After choosing a panel, you can turn the panel around until a specific voice characteristic you wish to change is in front of you. Then you would use the switches to change the chosen characteristic. This is called "synthesizer settings ring", better known as "synth settings ring".
By default, when NVDA starts, the "rate" switch will be active. You can use Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys to move to different "switches" (voice characteristics) such as voice, variant, rate, pitch, volume and so on (different synthesizers expose different settings). Then you would press Control+NVDA+up/down arrow keys to "change the switches" - configure the chosen characteristic to your liking.
While we're at it, one advice to would-be experts (or for those teaching NVDA to others): as much as you can recall NVDA commands while sleeping, it is equally important to recall, apply, and explain concepts, too. In case you're dealing with NVDA code (including add-ons), you should be prepared to not only write interesting code, but willing to explain what your code does (trust me: writing code can be done easily, but explaining your own code require more brainpower and creativity).
Cheers,
Joseph
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Janet, this is just a suggestion, but I'm wondering if it might not be more helpful--& more accurate--to simply access the NVDA menu, go to help, then go to the "command quick reference guide". There, you can find the keys, both for desktops & laptops, that will perform any command NVDA has. This should contain the most up-to-date & accurate information.
 
I think what Joseph is trying to tell you here is that the command you tried to use is inaccurate--for the desktop, it's NVDA+ctrl+up or down, w/the laptop you add the shift key.
 
HTH.
 
On 1/16/19, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Wow, thanks for getting back to me so fast! Actually, I just googled it.
Jan
 
 
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Hi,
 
Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are 
used to change rate on the fly?
 
To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will 
explain soon).
 
Cheers,
 
Joseph
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet 
Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
 
 
Hello all,
 
I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change 
speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or 
right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has 
this command changed? If so, what is it now?
 
Thanks,
 
Jan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

No. I'm using my built-in laptop keyboard.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 09:20, Gene escreveu:

Are you using a wireless keyboard?  Some wireless keyboards don't allow certain combinations of keys.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

I was using insert instead of capslock as my modifier key.
And guess what? When I checked capslock key to also do the work it did the trick. I could then give the command CTRL+NVDA+Right arrow without any problem at all.
How odd. Well at least now I know it works if I do it. Thanks for the tip.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 08:43, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:

out of curiosity are you using control and capslock?
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the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
****
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Hi,

Hmmm, I see. Does restarting with add-ons disabled help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

I'm using the desktop layout.
Also, when I turn on the help to see what a certain command should do and press the command in question, NVDA just keeps silent, nothing happens at all.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 04:13, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Okay, when you open keyboard settings (Control+NVDA+K), what is the keyboard layout set to? Control+NVDA+right arrow will switch to the next synth settings ring if desktop layout is in use, otherwise it’ll move the review cursor to the next word (laptop layout).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi Joseph,
You mentioned that CONTROL+NVDA+right arrow would be a possibility as well as using the left arrow.
What happens here, however, is that when I press the first command, I don't get anything from it.
So you know what could be going on my side?


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 17/01/2019 03:58, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Jackie is right, but I had another reason to ask Janet as to where she got that info: sources matter, too. If Janet searched for commands in Google, surely the first result would have been the NVDA user guide for the latest release, unless she found an answer from a specific source that claimed Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly.
For sake of completeness, here's what Control+NVDA+arro keys will do (if using laptop layout, add a Shift key to this mix):
Imagine you have a collection of circular panels with switches around the outer perimeter. You can turn each panel around, as well as move the switches up and down.
Each panel represents a speech synthesizer, and each switch represents a voice characteristic. After choosing a panel, you can turn the panel around until a specific voice characteristic you wish to change is in front of you. Then you would use the switches to change the chosen characteristic. This is called "synthesizer settings ring", better known as "synth settings ring".
By default, when NVDA starts, the "rate" switch will be active. You can use Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys to move to different "switches" (voice characteristics) such as voice, variant, rate, pitch, volume and so on (different synthesizers expose different settings). Then you would press Control+NVDA+up/down arrow keys to "change the switches" - configure the chosen characteristic to your liking.
While we're at it, one advice to would-be experts (or for those teaching NVDA to others): as much as you can recall NVDA commands while sleeping, it is equally important to recall, apply, and explain concepts, too. In case you're dealing with NVDA code (including add-ons), you should be prepared to not only write interesting code, but willing to explain what your code does (trust me: writing code can be done easily, but explaining your own code require more brainpower and creativity).
Cheers,
Joseph
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Janet, this is just a suggestion, but I'm wondering if it might not be more helpful--& more accurate--to simply access the NVDA menu, go to help, then go to the "command quick reference guide". There, you can find the keys, both for desktops & laptops, that will perform any command NVDA has. This should contain the most up-to-date & accurate information.
 
I think what Joseph is trying to tell you here is that the command you tried to use is inaccurate--for the desktop, it's NVDA+ctrl+up or down, w/the laptop you add the shift key.
 
HTH.
 
On 1/16/19, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Wow, thanks for getting back to me so fast! Actually, I just googled it.
Jan
 
 
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Hi,
 
Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are 
used to change rate on the fly?
 
To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will 
explain soon).
 
Cheers,
 
Joseph
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet 
Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
 
 
Hello all,
 
I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change 
speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or 
right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has 
this command changed? If so, what is it now?
 
Thanks,
 
Jan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Gene
 

Are you using a wireless keyboard?  Some wireless keyboards don't allow certain combinations of keys.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 4:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

I was using insert instead of capslock as my modifier key.
And guess what? When I checked capslock key to also do the work it did the trick. I could then give the command CTRL+NVDA+Right arrow without any problem at all.
How odd. Well at least now I know it works if I do it. Thanks for the tip.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 08:43, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:

out of curiosity are you using control and capslock?
***
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
****
----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Hi,

Hmmm, I see. Does restarting with add-ons disabled help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

I'm using the desktop layout.
Also, when I turn on the help to see what a certain command should do and press the command in question, NVDA just keeps silent, nothing happens at all.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 17/01/2019 04:13, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Okay, when you open keyboard settings (Control+NVDA+K), what is the keyboard layout set to? Control+NVDA+right arrow will switch to the next synth settings ring if desktop layout is in use, otherwise it’ll move the review cursor to the next word (laptop layout).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi Joseph,
You mentioned that CONTROL+NVDA+right arrow would be a possibility as well as using the left arrow.
What happens here, however, is that when I press the first command, I don't get anything from it.
So you know what could be going on my side?


Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 17/01/2019 03:58, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Jackie is right, but I had another reason to ask Janet as to where she got that info: sources matter, too. If Janet searched for commands in Google, surely the first result would have been the NVDA user guide for the latest release, unless she found an answer from a specific source that claimed Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly.
For sake of completeness, here's what Control+NVDA+arro keys will do (if using laptop layout, add a Shift key to this mix):
Imagine you have a collection of circular panels with switches around the outer perimeter. You can turn each panel around, as well as move the switches up and down.
Each panel represents a speech synthesizer, and each switch represents a voice characteristic. After choosing a panel, you can turn the panel around until a specific voice characteristic you wish to change is in front of you. Then you would use the switches to change the chosen characteristic. This is called "synthesizer settings ring", better known as "synth settings ring".
By default, when NVDA starts, the "rate" switch will be active. You can use Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys to move to different "switches" (voice characteristics) such as voice, variant, rate, pitch, volume and so on (different synthesizers expose different settings). Then you would press Control+NVDA+up/down arrow keys to "change the switches" - configure the chosen characteristic to your liking.
While we're at it, one advice to would-be experts (or for those teaching NVDA to others): as much as you can recall NVDA commands while sleeping, it is equally important to recall, apply, and explain concepts, too. In case you're dealing with NVDA code (including add-ons), you should be prepared to not only write interesting code, but willing to explain what your code does (trust me: writing code can be done easily, but explaining your own code require more brainpower and creativity).
Cheers,
Joseph
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Janet, this is just a suggestion, but I'm wondering if it might not be more helpful--& more accurate--to simply access the NVDA menu, go to help, then go to the "command quick reference guide". There, you can find the keys, both for desktops & laptops, that will perform any command NVDA has. This should contain the most up-to-date & accurate information.
 
I think what Joseph is trying to tell you here is that the command you tried to use is inaccurate--for the desktop, it's NVDA+ctrl+up or down, w/the laptop you add the shift key.
 
HTH.
 
On 1/16/19, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Wow, thanks for getting back to me so fast! Actually, I just googled it.
Jan
 
 
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Hi,
 
Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are 
used to change rate on the fly?
 
To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will 
explain soon).
 
Cheers,
 
Joseph
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet 
Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
 
 
Hello all,
 
I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change 
speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or 
right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has 
this command changed? If so, what is it now?
 
Thanks,
 
Jan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: BARD Express

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You mean the Microsoft narrator? We don't use Bard over here in the uk.
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Subject: [nvda] BARD Express


has there been any consideration to fix NVDA to read the entire annotation when searching for books in BARD express? Currantly it only reads the title, author and a fraction of the annotation then jumps to the narrator.
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Re: Speech exception dictionary question

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I think you would need to transfer your changes to nvda one at a time. I know of no easy conversion routine being written.

It also of course may be different depending on which voice and even which maker of the same voice is used so often trying to port things can land you in more trouble than you had to start with!
For example Sapi 5 in nvda likes to have my first name spelled as bryan, or it says breeeeean
if you look at Jaws its fine either way out of the box. No idea why.
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Subject: [nvda] Speech exception dictionary question


I'm just now switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA and liking it pretty well thus far. I have hundreds of pronunciation exceptions in the WE exception dictionary file. Is there a way of transferring that information into NVDA?

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Re: For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

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I don't think you can only the stable versions are on the site for general download.

The differences are small though.
As I said elsewhere, it was just me trying to be helpful but the can of worms effect has struck again. all can say to you is this. If you want to get more features, then find a team who can program and ask them to download the source of the last working version and develop an xp version from it.
The other advice to me at least, and I know its not easy in Iran with Trump and his ways, but somebody may well have a windows 7 machine and this will still allow the latest version of nvda to work, but cloud additions in windows 10 are not in it so OCR will not work, but to be honest, do not find OCR on a computer as useful as in the old days since you can now get a cheapo mobile and use that instead!
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


i downloaded and it works for me perfectly.
where can i download its installer file too?
thanks again for the link, God bless you!

On 1/17/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
No, at first I thought that Brian was doing that but he didn't. He put a
portable version of the last test version, I don't recall the exact term for
a product that isn't a beta but that isn't bleeding edge code either in his
Dropbox account for the list if they want it.

Gene
----- Original Message -----


From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


hi gene. thanks so much as always for your comments and helps.
is it possible to use newer versions of nvda (portable versions) on xp?
i wish to test new espeak for reading farsi documents to see which
versions of espeak support farsi better?
is it possible that for example: someone put nvda 2018.4 portable for
me on dropbox to test on xp?
thanks again for your help, God bless you!

On 1/16/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I misunderstood your message. I thought you said that you can run a
current
portable version of NVDA with XP. You were saying that you are sending
the
last version of NVDA that supports XP. So my statements were wrong about
not being able to run the installer to install it.

However, from a little playing around I did, you said this is a
development
version, not the last production but the last development version, if
others
get results like mine, it would be a good idea to try running the last
production version or earlier ones if the last production version has
these
drawbacks.

First, I'm running the version you sent on a slow XP machine, much slower
than people will generally be using. Its fine for what I use it for and
I
use my fast Windows 7 machine where this one is too slow. But on this
machine, using Via Voice, it is very unresponsive while typing. Earlier
versions are much more responsive. I'm not sure what else you might find
as
you try it but you may well get a considerably more responsive version by
using the last production version or even earlier, if necessary.

I haven't tested with other voices but I suspect this is a general
problem.
Via Voice should be very responsive.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


I see. I read your message but I didn't see the link or I thought it was
something else, maybe a footer. Sorry for the unnecessary request.

My clarification may have some value in case some people think they can
run
the actual installer and get current versions that way if they are
running
XP. This version has already been created but you can't create your own.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


But that is exactly what is in the zip file a zipped up portable version.


I know that it might annoy some doing it this way, but I see a question
about it every week nearly and thought as I have it, I might as well
share
it.
You can always strip out all add-ons etc, if you like.
The folder it creates is a stand alone portable version though not sure
if

some synths might have been removed, so be careful but espeak is
selected.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


To clarify:
Evidently, you are saying that if you have already created a portable
version, you can run it on XP as a portable version. But that isn't
saying

that you can use the installer on an XP machine to create a portable
version. You can't.

Also, Would you mind putting the portable version in Dropbox or however
you

want to share it? I can't run the installer here but I'd like to play
with

the portable version.

Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:46 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


I was testing a network link between my windows 7 and the xp machines
upstairs so zipped up my portable install of nvda that ran on the XP
machine, complete with add ons and tweaked symbols etc.
Now its offered with no warranty of any kind and it is a development
snapshot after the final release, so may well have the error sound.
If you want to play however.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/30xp74rs7ttnz5w/nvdaxp%20last%20version.zip?dl=1

Just unzip it to a folder, it should create its own off of wherever you
extract it from. Run the exe, or if you are really lazy, the nvda.bat
file.
You can then play with it and also install it if you so wish, but
although
its clear of nasty viruses or whatever, remember its not supported by
nvaccess. Its old and only around because some of us still keep xp
machines
running.
Note toolbar explorer is in it as aware many other older add ons.
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Re: For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

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The reason you cannot is that newer versions of nvda rely on parts of the code of windows held in the kernel that do not exist in XP its that simple really.

The same goes for Vista which was a pig when it did work to my mind.

I had a laptop with Vista on it, it did a good impression of a slug on superglue.
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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 5:51 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


hi brian.
thanks so much for the link. i really wished to test new versions of
nvda on xp. thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 1/16/19, zahra a <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com> wrote:
hi gene. thanks so much as always for your comments and helps.
is it possible to use newer versions of nvda (portable versions) on xp?
i wish to test new espeak for reading farsi documents to see which
versions of espeak support farsi better?
is it possible that for example: someone put nvda 2018.4 portable for
me on dropbox to test on xp?
thanks again for your help, God bless you!

On 1/16/19, Gene <gsasner@gmail.com> wrote:
I misunderstood your message. I thought you said that you can run a
current
portable version of NVDA with XP. You were saying that you are sending
the
last version of NVDA that supports XP. So my statements were wrong about
not being able to run the installer to install it.

However, from a little playing around I did, you said this is a
development
version, not the last production but the last development version, if
others
get results like mine, it would be a good idea to try running the last
production version or earlier ones if the last production version has
these
drawbacks.

First, I'm running the version you sent on a slow XP machine, much slower
than people will generally be using. Its fine for what I use it for and
I
use my fast Windows 7 machine where this one is too slow. But on this
machine, using Via Voice, it is very unresponsive while typing. Earlier
versions are much more responsive. I'm not sure what else you might find
as
you try it but you may well get a considerably more responsive version by
using the last production version or even earlier, if necessary.

I haven't tested with other voices but I suspect this is a general
problem.
Via Voice should be very responsive.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


I see. I read your message but I didn't see the link or I thought it was
something else, maybe a footer. Sorry for the unnecessary request.

My clarification may have some value in case some people think they can
run
the actual installer and get current versions that way if they are
running
XP. This version has already been created but you can't create your own.

Gene
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From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


But that is exactly what is in the zip file a zipped up portable version.


I know that it might annoy some doing it this way, but I see a question
about it every week nearly and thought as I have it, I might as well
share
it.
You can always strip out all add-ons etc, if you like.
The folder it creates is a stand alone portable version though not sure
if

some synths might have been removed, so be careful but espeak is
selected.
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


To clarify:
Evidently, you are saying that if you have already created a portable
version, you can run it on XP as a portable version. But that isn't
saying

that you can use the installer on an XP machine to create a portable
version. You can't.

Also, Would you mind putting the portable version in Dropbox or however
you

want to share it? I can't run the installer here but I'd like to play
with

the portable version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:46 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


I was testing a network link between my windows 7 and the xp machines
upstairs so zipped up my portable install of nvda that ran on the XP
machine, complete with add ons and tweaked symbols etc.
Now its offered with no warranty of any kind and it is a development
snapshot after the final release, so may well have the error sound.
If you want to play however.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/30xp74rs7ttnz5w/nvdaxp%20last%20version.zip?dl=1

Just unzip it to a folder, it should create its own off of wherever you
extract it from. Run the exe, or if you are really lazy, the nvda.bat
file.
You can then play with it and also install it if you so wish, but
although
its clear of nasty viruses or whatever, remember its not supported by
nvaccess. Its old and only around because some of us still keep xp
machines
running.
Note toolbar explorer is in it as aware many other older add ons.
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Re: For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

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I guess they cannot afford the update to Jaws then? I do not think a version over 2016 of Jaws runs on xp.
Sooner or later the xp machine will go bang. I'm only keeping mine up for as long as they last. No money will be spent fixing them above what spare bits I have. This is particularly so for the AMD Athlon and semprons as the do not have sse 2 and cannot run very many programs, not even Microsoft security essentials now, unlike the Intel chipped ones.
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I think if they can get a Windows 7 second hand machine it may well brighten their lives as the slug race simulation on web sites will be gone.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


Thank you Brian. If I can convince an xp friend of mine away from their increasingly clunky old Jaws version, I think this would be a good choice for them.

Travis

On 1/16/2019 9:46 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I was testing a network link between my windows 7 and the xp machines upstairs so zipped up my portable install of nvda that ran on the XP machine, complete with add ons and tweaked symbols etc.
Now its offered with no warranty of any kind and it is a development snapshot after the final release, so may well have the error sound.
If you want to play however.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/30xp74rs7ttnz5w/nvdaxp%20last%20version.zip?dl=1

Just unzip it to a folder, it should create its own off of wherever you extract it from. Run the exe, or if you are really lazy, the nvda.bat file.
You can then play with it and also install it if you so wish, but although its clear of nasty viruses or whatever, remember its not supported by nvaccess. Its old and only around because some of us still keep xp machines running.
Note toolbar explorer is in it as aware many other older add ons.
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Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

I was using insert instead of capslock as my modifier key.
And guess what? When I checked capslock key to also do the work it did the trick. I could then give the command CTRL+NVDA+Right arrow without any problem at all.
How odd. Well at least now I know it works if I do it. Thanks for the tip.

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Em 17/01/2019 08:43, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:


out of curiosity are you using control and capslock?
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Hi,

Hmmm, I see. Does restarting with add-ons disabled help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

I'm using the desktop layout.
Also, when I turn on the help to see what a certain command should do and press the command in question, NVDA just keeps silent, nothing happens at all.


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Em 17/01/2019 04:13, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Okay, when you open keyboard settings (Control+NVDA+K), what is the keyboard layout set to? Control+NVDA+right arrow will switch to the next synth settings ring if desktop layout is in use, otherwise it’ll move the review cursor to the next word (laptop layout).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi Joseph,
You mentioned that CONTROL+NVDA+right arrow would be a possibility as well as using the left arrow.
What happens here, however, is that when I press the first command, I don't get anything from it.
So you know what could be going on my side?


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Em 17/01/2019 03:58, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Jackie is right, but I had another reason to ask Janet as to where she got that info: sources matter, too. If Janet searched for commands in Google, surely the first result would have been the NVDA user guide for the latest release, unless she found an answer from a specific source that claimed Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly.
For sake of completeness, here's what Control+NVDA+arro keys will do (if using laptop layout, add a Shift key to this mix):
Imagine you have a collection of circular panels with switches around the outer perimeter. You can turn each panel around, as well as move the switches up and down.
Each panel represents a speech synthesizer, and each switch represents a voice characteristic. After choosing a panel, you can turn the panel around until a specific voice characteristic you wish to change is in front of you. Then you would use the switches to change the chosen characteristic. This is called "synthesizer settings ring", better known as "synth settings ring".
By default, when NVDA starts, the "rate" switch will be active. You can use Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys to move to different "switches" (voice characteristics) such as voice, variant, rate, pitch, volume and so on (different synthesizers expose different settings). Then you would press Control+NVDA+up/down arrow keys to "change the switches" - configure the chosen characteristic to your liking.
While we're at it, one advice to would-be experts (or for those teaching NVDA to others): as much as you can recall NVDA commands while sleeping, it is equally important to recall, apply, and explain concepts, too. In case you're dealing with NVDA code (including add-ons), you should be prepared to not only write interesting code, but willing to explain what your code does (trust me: writing code can be done easily, but explaining your own code require more brainpower and creativity).
Cheers,
Joseph
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Janet, this is just a suggestion, but I'm wondering if it might not be more helpful--& more accurate--to simply access the NVDA menu, go to help, then go to the "command quick reference guide". There, you can find the keys, both for desktops & laptops, that will perform any command NVDA has. This should contain the most up-to-date & accurate information.
 
I think what Joseph is trying to tell you here is that the command you tried to use is inaccurate--for the desktop, it's NVDA+ctrl+up or down, w/the laptop you add the shift key.
 
HTH.
 
On 1/16/19, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Wow, thanks for getting back to me so fast! Actually, I just googled it.
Jan
 
 
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Hi,
 
Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are 
used to change rate on the fly?
 
To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will 
explain soon).
 
Cheers,
 
Joseph
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet 
Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
 
 
Hello all,
 
I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change 
speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or 
right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has 
this command changed? If so, what is it now?
 
Thanks,
 
Jan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

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I'm not sure what your last comment means. It is merely a customised set up copy of the version I am using on my xp machines.
It can be returned to normal by uninstalling all add ons and setting the settings to factory defaults.

I have had some requests for the amendments to English symbol words etc and this has those as well.

I need a lie down as I see a whole load of emails on this thread have appeared since I sent the one saying I'd ended the thread. The wonderful world of delayed email strikes again.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


I see. I read your message but I didn't see the link or I thought it was something else, maybe a footer. Sorry for the unnecessary request.

My clarification may have some value in case some people think they can run the actual installer and get current versions that way if they are running XP. This version has already been created but you can't create your own.

Gene
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Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


But that is exactly what is in the zip file a zipped up portable version.


I know that it might annoy some doing it this way, but I see a question
about it every week nearly and thought as I have it, I might as well share
it.
You can always strip out all add-ons etc, if you like.
The folder it creates is a stand alone portable version though not sure if
some synths might have been removed, so be careful but espeak is selected.
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From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


To clarify:
Evidently, you are saying that if you have already created a portable
version, you can run it on XP as a portable version. But that isn't saying
that you can use the installer on an XP machine to create a portable
version. You can't.

Also, Would you mind putting the portable version in Dropbox or however you
want to share it? I can't run the installer here but I'd like to play with
the portable version.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:46 AM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda


I was testing a network link between my windows 7 and the xp machines
upstairs so zipped up my portable install of nvda that ran on the XP
machine, complete with add ons and tweaked symbols etc.
Now its offered with no warranty of any kind and it is a development
snapshot after the final release, so may well have the error sound.
If you want to play however.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/30xp74rs7ttnz5w/nvdaxp%20last%20version.zip?dl=1

Just unzip it to a folder, it should create its own off of wherever you
extract it from. Run the exe, or if you are really lazy, the nvda.bat file.
You can then play with it and also install it if you so wish, but although
its clear of nasty viruses or whatever, remember its not supported by
nvaccess. Its old and only around because some of us still keep xp machines
running.
Note toolbar explorer is in it as aware many other older add ons.
Brian


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Re: For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

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the latest version of nvda for XP is 2017.3.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 3:32 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

No, at first I thought that Brian was doing that but he didn't.  He put a portable version of the last test version, I don't recall the exact term for a product that isn't a beta but that isn't bleeding edge code either  in his Dropbox account for the list if they want it.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda

hi gene. thanks so much as always for your comments and helps.
is it possible to use newer versions of nvda (portable versions) on xp?
i wish to test new espeak for reading farsi documents to see which
versions of espeak support farsi better?
is it possible that for example: someone put nvda 2018.4 portable for
me on dropbox to test on xp?
thanks again for your help, God bless you!

On 1/16/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> I misunderstood your message.  I thought you said that you can run a current
> portable version of NVDA with XP.  You were saying that you are sending the
> last version of NVDA that supports XP.  So my statements were wrong about
> not being able to run the installer to install it.
>
> However, from a little playing around I did, you said this is a development
> version, not the last production but the last development version, if others
> get results like mine, it would be a good idea to try running the last
> production version or earlier ones if the last production version has these
> drawbacks.
>
> First, I'm running the version you sent on a slow XP machine, much slower
> than people will generally be using.  Its fine for what I use it for and I
> use my fast Windows 7 machine where this one is too slow.  But on this
> machine, using Via Voice, it is very unresponsive while typing.  Earlier
> versions are much more responsive.  I'm not sure what else you might find as
> you try it but you may well get a considerably more responsive version by
> using the last production version or even earlier, if necessary.
>
> I haven't tested with other voices but I suspect this is a general problem.
> Via Voice should be very responsive.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:41 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> I see.  I read your message but I didn't see the link or I thought it was
> something else, maybe a footer.  Sorry for the unnecessary request.
>
> My clarification may have some value in case some people think they can run
> the actual installer and get current versions that way if they are running
> XP.  This version has already been created but you can't create your own.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 1:12 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> But that is exactly what is in the zip file a zipped up portable version.
>
>
> I know that it might  annoy some doing it this way, but I see a question
> about it every week nearly and thought as I have it, I might as well share
> it.
>  You can always strip out all add-ons etc, if you like.
>  The folder it creates is a stand alone portable version though not sure if
>
> some synths might have been removed, so be careful but espeak is selected.
>  Brian
>
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 5:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> To clarify:
> Evidently, you are saying that if you have already created a portable
> version, you can run it on XP as a portable version.  But that isn't saying
>
> that you can use the installer on an XP machine to create a portable
> version.  You can't.
>
> Also, Would you mind putting the portable version in Dropbox or however you
>
> want to share it?  I can't run the installer here but I'd like to play with
>
> the portable version.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:46 AM
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] For all those who wanted the last xp version of nvda
>
>
> I was testing a network link between my  windows 7 and the xp machines
> upstairs so zipped up my portable install of nvda that ran on the XP
> machine, complete with add ons and  tweaked symbols etc.
>  Now its offered with no warranty of any kind and it is a development
> snapshot after the final release, so may well have the error sound.
>  If you want to play however.
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/30xp74rs7ttnz5w/nvdaxp%20last%20version.zip?dl=1
>
> Just unzip it to a folder, it should create its own off of wherever you
> extract it from. Run the exe, or if you are really lazy, the nvda.bat file.
>  You can then play with it and also install it if you so wish, but although
> its clear of nasty  viruses or whatever, remember its not supported by
> nvaccess. Its old and only around because some of us still keep xp machines
> running.
>  Note toolbar explorer is in it as aware many other older add ons.
>  Brian
>
>
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> in the display name field.
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BARD Express

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has there been any consideration to fix NVDA to read the entire annotation when searching for books in BARD express? Currantly it only reads the title, author and a fraction of the annotation then jumps to the narrator.
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Re: Speech exception dictionary question

Gene
 

I haven't heard of one but perhaps someone else knows a way.  I doubt it, however.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jeff Samco
Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2019 12:50 AM
Subject: [nvda] Speech exception dictionary question

I'm just now switching from Window-Eyes to NVDA and liking it pretty
well thus far. I have hundreds of pronunciation exceptions in the WE
exception dictionary file. Is there a way of transferring that
information into NVDA?

Thanks,
Jeff




Re: Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

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out of curiosity are you using control and capslock?
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----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 11:42 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

Hi,

Hmmm, I see. Does restarting with add-ons disabled help?

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:28 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

I'm using the desktop layout.
Also, when I turn on the help to see what a certain command should do and press the command in question, NVDA just keeps silent, nothing happens at all.


Cheers,
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Em 17/01/2019 04:13, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Okay, when you open keyboard settings (Control+NVDA+K), what is the keyboard layout set to? Control+NVDA+right arrow will switch to the next synth settings ring if desktop layout is in use, otherwise it’ll move the review cursor to the next word (laptop layout).

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.

 

Hi Joseph,
You mentioned that CONTROL+NVDA+right arrow would be a possibility as well as using the left arrow.
What happens here, however, is that when I press the first command, I don't get anything from it.
So you know what could be going on my side?


Cheers,
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Em 17/01/2019 03:58, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
Jackie is right, but I had another reason to ask Janet as to where she got that info: sources matter, too. If Janet searched for commands in Google, surely the first result would have been the NVDA user guide for the latest release, unless she found an answer from a specific source that claimed Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys are used to change rate on the fly.
For sake of completeness, here's what Control+NVDA+arro keys will do (if using laptop layout, add a Shift key to this mix):
Imagine you have a collection of circular panels with switches around the outer perimeter. You can turn each panel around, as well as move the switches up and down.
Each panel represents a speech synthesizer, and each switch represents a voice characteristic. After choosing a panel, you can turn the panel around until a specific voice characteristic you wish to change is in front of you. Then you would use the switches to change the chosen characteristic. This is called "synthesizer settings ring", better known as "synth settings ring".
By default, when NVDA starts, the "rate" switch will be active. You can use Control+NVDA+left/right arrow keys to move to different "switches" (voice characteristics) such as voice, variant, rate, pitch, volume and so on (different synthesizers expose different settings). Then you would press Control+NVDA+up/down arrow keys to "change the switches" - configure the chosen characteristic to your liking.
While we're at it, one advice to would-be experts (or for those teaching NVDA to others): as much as you can recall NVDA commands while sleeping, it is equally important to recall, apply, and explain concepts, too. In case you're dealing with NVDA code (including add-ons), you should be prepared to not only write interesting code, but willing to explain what your code does (trust me: writing code can be done easily, but explaining your own code require more brainpower and creativity).
Cheers,
Joseph
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 9:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Janet, this is just a suggestion, but I'm wondering if it might not be more helpful--& more accurate--to simply access the NVDA menu, go to help, then go to the "command quick reference guide". There, you can find the keys, both for desktops & laptops, that will perform any command NVDA has. This should contain the most up-to-date & accurate information.
 
I think what Joseph is trying to tell you here is that the command you tried to use is inaccurate--for the desktop, it's NVDA+ctrl+up or down, w/the laptop you add the shift key.
 
HTH.
 
On 1/16/19, Janet Brandly <jbrandly@...> wrote:
Hi Joseph,
Wow, thanks for getting back to me so fast! Actually, I just googled it.
Jan
 
 
From: Joseph Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 10:06 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
Hi,
 
Huh? Where did you see that Control+NVDA+left and right arrow keys are 
used to change rate on the fly?
 
To others: there is a specific reason why I’m doing it like this (will 
explain soon).
 
Cheers,
 
Joseph
 
 
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Janet 
Brandly
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2019 8:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Changing speech rate on the fly not working.
 
 
 
Hello all,
 
I am using Windows 10 with the latest NVDA. When I try to change 
speech rate on the fly using the NVDA control and either the left or 
right arrow keys the rate does not change and NVDA says nothing. Has 
this command changed? If so, what is it now?
 
Thanks,
 
Jan
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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