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getting rid of norton security tool
Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Hi, I installed adobe digital editions to read epub books. It asked me if I wanted to also install norton security scan. I clicked disagree, no, no thanks, etcetera with jaws/NVDA mouse cursor. But it installed it anyway along with some norton product thing which seems to have gone away. It also installed a chrome extension that i removed. I tried using the norton removal tool with OCR but this stubborn norton security scan just will not go away! So how do I remove it? Should I just reset windows10 wipe out everything and reinstall and re-set everything back up on my RCA cambio tablet laptop? I tried uninstalling from both control panel and the windows 10 settings app but no luck. this stubborn norton security scan still seems to stick around. Would malware bytes remove it perhaps? or is there an accessible revo uninstaller or force program remover tool that will uninstall it? the norton removal utility tool did not help at all.
thanks,
josh
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Re: NVDA and Firefox
Felix G.
Hi,
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as Firefox is designed with accessibility way up on the priority list, it's atypical that there should just be no way to get to one of its own notifications. The resident Mozillans on this list can probably shed some light on how it's supposed to work. Best, Felix Am Mo., 21. Jan. 2019 um 01:30 Uhr schrieb Desert Moon via Groups.Io <desert.moon=protonmail.com@groups.io>:
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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
Gene
Are you saying you want to use movement commands
where you use keyboard commands for movement in JAWS that duplicate the numpad
movement commands in desktop layout? NVDA doesn't have such
commands. The numpad isn't used for that purpose in the desktop layout and
such commands aren't duplicated on the laptop. If that is what you are
saying, I think that if you got used to it and gave it time, you would find
movement with the keyboard commands such as control plus arrow keys to be as
efficient. Its muscle memory, as you said.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard
commands I’ve been using Jaws going on 18 years now. I am aware of the various Jaws screen reader and windows numpad keystroke commands. My query was on commands for navigating via the keyboard in a laptop mode. As I mentioned going back and forth between the keyboard and the numpad/arrow keys for me at least takes away from the efficiency as opposed to with Jaws where you can do navigate by character, word, line or paragraph without ever having to take your hands away from the main keyboard itself. It’s not that going back and forth between the main keyboard and numpad or arrow keys is that big a deal, but do it hundreds of times throughout the day and in the aggregate can quickly become noticeable and tedious. Thus my question on whether there were NVDA commands and or an add-on beyond the capslock+L for read current line that also allowed for further navigation without having to use the numpad and even the arrow keys.
Cristóbal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
On Behalf Of Gene
I should say, on seeing further discussion, that I'm not sure what you mean by jump by word. As has been said, control down arrow moves down by paragraph and you can use all the standard movement commands. They are not screen-reader commands. If someone only taught you the numpad command movement commands in JAWS or the laptop alternative numpad movement commands, that's negligence. In any screen-reader, or even if you weren't using one, you can use all these commands. Right arrow, move one character right. Left arrow, move one character left. Up arrow, move up one line. Down arrow, move down one line. Down by paragraph, control down arrow. Up by paragraph, control up arrow.
I'm not sure if those are the kinds of commands you want to know but I suspect you were only taught the JAWS numpad or the JAWS laptop movement commands and not the Windows commands and that is incompetent teaching beyond belief, if that is what was done.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
I don't use the laptop layout in NVDA. I wouldn't even if I had a laptop without a numpad. I much prefer the desktop layout. I haven't looked at the laptop commands much but they don't seem consistent to me in terms of following patterns nearly as much as the desktop layout does. If you are looking at commands using something like the commands reference and you are using the laptop commands, those are the ones to use. If you want to get a USB numpad and use the desktop layout, I don't know if you would like the structure more but I prefer it a great deal more.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Cristóbal Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:19 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
Hello list, So I am mainly a Jaws user, but have been trying to make the effort to use NVDA more or at least become more proficient with it. The one issue I continue to have with NVDA and just can’t get used to is the keyboard navigation. I know it in part has to do with simple muscle memory with Jaws commands, but outside of the NVDA key (caps lock) plus L command to read the current line, I just cannot get used to not being able to jump around via paragraph or line or word, etc., like in Jaws laptop keyboard layout. Am I just missing something and am not aware of other keyboard navigational keystroke commands in NVDA or is there perhaps an add-on I can install? Yes, I know there are all the numpad commands, but with Jaws at least, being able to keep one’s hands on the keyboard instead of having to switch back and forth adds up and makes a difference and comfort. And to be clear, I’m not looking for a Jaws clone and am aware that they’re two different products. I’m completely open to this different approach, but this navigational thing is for me anyway proving to be the one major stumbling bock to try to use it more. I would appreciate any enlightenment. Thanks, Cristóbal
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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
Usually, control right/left arrow moves by word. Don't know if
this is what the op was wanting to know, but there it is. It
doesn't always work, depending on the program, but usually it
does.
On 1/20/2019 7:45 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
Cristóbal
I’ve been using Jaws going on 18 years now. I am aware of the various Jaws screen reader and windows numpad keystroke commands. My query was on commands for navigating via the keyboard in a laptop mode. As I mentioned going back and forth between the keyboard and the numpad/arrow keys for me at least takes away from the efficiency as opposed to with Jaws where you can do navigate by character, word, line or paragraph without ever having to take your hands away from the main keyboard itself. It’s not that going back and forth between the main keyboard and numpad or arrow keys is that big a deal, but do it hundreds of times throughout the day and in the aggregate can quickly become noticeable and tedious. Thus my question on whether there were NVDA commands and or an add-on beyond the capslock+L for read current line that also allowed for further navigation without having to use the numpad and even the arrow keys.
Cristóbal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:45 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
I should say, on seeing further discussion, that I'm not sure what you mean by jump by word. As has been said, control down arrow moves down by paragraph and you can use all the standard movement commands. They are not screen-reader commands. If someone only taught you the numpad command movement commands in JAWS or the laptop alternative numpad movement commands, that's negligence. In any screen-reader, or even if you weren't using one, you can use all these commands. Right arrow, move one character right. Left arrow, move one character left. Up arrow, move up one line. Down arrow, move down one line. Down by paragraph, control down arrow. Up by paragraph, control up arrow.
I'm not sure if those are the kinds of commands you want to know but I suspect you were only taught the JAWS numpad or the JAWS laptop movement commands and not the Windows commands and that is incompetent teaching beyond belief, if that is what was done.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Gene via Groups.Io Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:51 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
I don't use the laptop layout in NVDA. I wouldn't even if I had a laptop without a numpad. I much prefer the desktop layout. I haven't looked at the laptop commands much but they don't seem consistent to me in terms of following patterns nearly as much as the desktop layout does. If you are looking at commands using something like the commands reference and you are using the laptop commands, those are the ones to use. If you want to get a USB numpad and use the desktop layout, I don't know if you would like the structure more but I prefer it a great deal more.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Cristóbal Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:19 PM Subject: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
Hello list, So I am mainly a Jaws user, but have been trying to make the effort to use NVDA more or at least become more proficient with it. The one issue I continue to have with NVDA and just can’t get used to is the keyboard navigation. I know it in part has to do with simple muscle memory with Jaws commands, but outside of the NVDA key (caps lock) plus L command to read the current line, I just cannot get used to not being able to jump around via paragraph or line or word, etc., like in Jaws laptop keyboard layout. Am I just missing something and am not aware of other keyboard navigational keystroke commands in NVDA or is there perhaps an add-on I can install? Yes, I know there are all the numpad commands, but with Jaws at least, being able to keep one’s hands on the keyboard instead of having to switch back and forth adds up and makes a difference and comfort. And to be clear, I’m not looking for a Jaws clone and am aware that they’re two different products. I’m completely open to this different approach, but this navigational thing is for me anyway proving to be the one major stumbling bock to try to use it more. I would appreciate any enlightenment. Thanks, Cristóbal
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Re: how to advance slides with nvda
Quentin Christensen
Hi Alexandre, I also can't reproduce this - with a slideshow running (in Office 365 rather than 2016) , I can change slides with Page up / Page down, space / backspace and enter, whether in the slide body or the notes (CONTROL+SHIFT+S). Are you using any add-ons? I can't think of any that should break viewing a slideshow, but it's always possible - press NVDA+Q as if to quit NVDA, then down arrow to restart with add-ons disabled to confirm it's not an add-on. Otherwise, could you perhaps send me a copy of your log? Regards Quentin.
On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 11:53 PM Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...> wrote:
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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
Gene
I should say, on seeing further discussion, that
I'm not sure what you mean by jump by word. As has been said, control down
arrow moves down by paragraph and you can use all the standard movement
commands. They are not screen-reader commands. If someone only
taught you the numpad command movement commands in JAWS or the laptop
alternative numpad movement commands, that's negligence. In any
screen-reader, or even if you weren't using one, you can use all these
commands. Right arrow, move one character right. Left arrow, move
one character left. Up arrow, move up one line. Down arrow, move
down one line. Down by paragraph, control down arrow.
Up by paragraph, control up arrow.
I'm not sure if those are the kinds of commands you
want to know but I suspect you were only taught the JAWS numpad or the JAWS
laptop movement commands and not the Windows commands and that is incompetent
teaching beyond belief, if that is what was done.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard
commands I don't use the laptop layout in NVDA. I
wouldn't even if I had a laptop without a numpad. I much prefer the
desktop layout. I haven't looked at the laptop commands much but they
don't seem consistent to me in terms of following patterns nearly as much as the
desktop layout does. If you are looking at commands using something like
the commands reference and you are using the laptop commands, those are the ones
to use. If you want to get a USB numpad and use the desktop layout, I
don't know if you would like the structure more but I prefer it a great deal
more.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard
commands Hello list, So I am mainly a Jaws user, but have been trying to make the effort to use NVDA more or at least become more proficient with it. The one issue I continue to have with NVDA and just can’t get used to is the keyboard navigation. I know it in part has to do with simple muscle memory with Jaws commands, but outside of the NVDA key (caps lock) plus L command to read the current line, I just cannot get used to not being able to jump around via paragraph or line or word, etc., like in Jaws laptop keyboard layout. Am I just missing something and am not aware of other keyboard navigational keystroke commands in NVDA or is there perhaps an add-on I can install? Yes, I know there are all the numpad commands, but with Jaws at least, being able to keep one’s hands on the keyboard instead of having to switch back and forth adds up and makes a difference and comfort. And to be clear, I’m not looking for a Jaws clone and am aware that they’re two different products. I’m completely open to this different approach, but this navigational thing is for me anyway proving to be the one major stumbling bock to try to use it more. I would appreciate any enlightenment. Thanks, Cristóbal
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Re: NVDA and Firefox
Desert Moon
Hello Chris,
I use Firefox (latest version) and have the Firefox Add-on installed.
After you have logged into a site for the first time, the alert to save passed is in focus and totally accessible. You can tab around: Save, Don’t Save, User Name and Password; and make your choice.
But if you navigate away from the alert, you will not get it back. Firefox has no hotkey for that. With the Firefox Add-on, you can press NVDA + Ctrl + N. It is supposed to read the last notification and takes the system focus to it if it is possible. But all you hear is: “Last alert about xx seconds (or minutes, whatever the case may be) ago. Couldn't capture the texts of the notification.” Other methods suggested by folks in this thread don’t seem to be able to salvage the alert, I am afraid.
So, if you have bypassed that alert, just wait for it to pop up after your next login.
-- Desert
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Re: BARD Express
Gerardo Corripio
Getting back to topic, andhoping this Email reads as it should *Iforgot to change myWindows10 Keyboard language from Spanish to English( fix the Bard Express issue! It’sannoying having to press the Control]b or Book Detailscommand! I don’t understnadwhy other screenreaders work as they should with Bard Express, being lately that more and more of us are using NVDA.
Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10
De: Diane
I just the message Doc sent about bard express with Jaws and the same thing happens. It switches languages, so it isn't just BVDA.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Nevzat Adil" <nevzatadil@...> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] BARD Express
Yes, it switches to Spanish. Also in my Word documents NVDA switches to Spanish on some lines. Nevzat
On 1/19/19, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote: > i am not doing it on purpose. it just happens. > *** > Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots. > the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you > get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you! > **** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: marcio via Groups.Io > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 1:39 AM > Subject: Re: [nvda] BARD Express > > > Hey Robert, > How are you doing to have NVDA switching languages just reading e-mails? > I > would like such a feature in mine as well. > > > Cheers, > Marcio > Follow me on Twitter > > > Em 19/01/2019 06:37, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu: > > > unfortunately NVDA is switching languages and I cannot understand what > you wrote. > *** > Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots. > the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if > you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you! > **** > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gerardo Corripio > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 8:26 AM > Subject: Re: [nvda] BARD Express > > > Yes fix this issue! It’s annoying having to always invoke the Go to > Details command in Bard Express! If the issue werefixed, it’d make > thebrowsing of Bard Express somuchefficient! > > > > > Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10 > > > > De: Robert Doc Wright godfearer > Enviado: jueves, 17 de enero de 2019 04:51 a. m. > Para: NVDA > Asunto: [nvda] BARD Express > > > > has there been any consideration to fix NVDA to read the entire > annotation when searching for books in BARD express? Currantly it only > reads > the title, author and a fraction of the annotation then jumps to the > narrator. > > *** > Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots. > the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what > if > you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you! > **** > > > > > > > > > >
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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
Gene
I don't use the laptop layout in NVDA. I
wouldn't even if I had a laptop without a numpad. I much prefer the
desktop layout. I haven't looked at the laptop commands much but they
don't seem consistent to me in terms of following patterns nearly as much as the
desktop layout does. If you are looking at commands using something like
the commands reference and you are using the laptop commands, those are the ones
to use. If you want to get a USB numpad and use the desktop layout, I
don't know if you would like the structure more but I prefer it a great deal
more.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard
commands Hello list, So I am mainly a Jaws user, but have been trying to make the effort to use NVDA more or at least become more proficient with it. The one issue I continue to have with NVDA and just can’t get used to is the keyboard navigation. I know it in part has to do with simple muscle memory with Jaws commands, but outside of the NVDA key (caps lock) plus L command to read the current line, I just cannot get used to not being able to jump around via paragraph or line or word, etc., like in Jaws laptop keyboard layout. Am I just missing something and am not aware of other keyboard navigational keystroke commands in NVDA or is there perhaps an add-on I can install? Yes, I know there are all the numpad commands, but with Jaws at least, being able to keep one’s hands on the keyboard instead of having to switch back and forth adds up and makes a difference and comfort. And to be clear, I’m not looking for a Jaws clone and am aware that they’re two different products. I’m completely open to this different approach, but this navigational thing is for me anyway proving to be the one major stumbling bock to try to use it more. I would appreciate any enlightenment. Thanks, Cristóbal
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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
Wow, I didn't know about any add-on on this, only Textnav. Will try
these as well.
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Em 20/01/2019 21:27, Adriani Botez
escreveu:
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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
Adriani Botez
Hello,
for jumping by paragraph we use ctrl+down and up arrow. To jump word by word use ctrl+left and right arrow. To jump line by line use just up and down arrow.
In MS Word you can jump sentence by sentence using alt+up and down arrow. You can also download the add-ons sentencenav, indentnav and textnav which gives you even more features. You can find them here:
Sentencenav: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/sentenceNav.en.html
Textnav: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/textnav.en.html
Indentnav: https://addons.nvda-project.org/addons/indentNav.en.html
Best Adriani
Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Cristóbal
Hello list, So I am mainly a Jaws user, but have been trying to make the effort to use NVDA more or at least become more proficient with it. The one issue I continue to have with NVDA and just can’t get used to is the keyboard navigation. I know it in part has to do with simple muscle memory with Jaws commands, but outside of the NVDA key (caps lock) plus L command to read the current line, I just cannot get used to not being able to jump around via paragraph or line or word, etc., like in Jaws laptop keyboard layout. Am I just missing something and am not aware of other keyboard navigational keystroke commands in NVDA or is there perhaps an add-on I can install? Yes, I know there are all the numpad commands, but with Jaws at least, being able to keep one’s hands on the keyboard instead of having to switch back and forth adds up and makes a difference and comfort. And to be clear, I’m not looking for a Jaws clone and am aware that they’re two different products. I’m completely open to this different approach, but this navigational thing is for me anyway proving to be the one major stumbling bock to try to use it more. I would appreciate any enlightenment. Thanks, Cristóbal
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NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands
Cristóbal
Hello list, So I am mainly a Jaws user, but have been trying to make the effort to use NVDA more or at least become more proficient with it. The one issue I continue to have with NVDA and just can’t get used to is the keyboard navigation. I know it in part has to do with simple muscle memory with Jaws commands, but outside of the NVDA key (caps lock) plus L command to read the current line, I just cannot get used to not being able to jump around via paragraph or line or word, etc., like in Jaws laptop keyboard layout. Am I just missing something and am not aware of other keyboard navigational keystroke commands in NVDA or is there perhaps an add-on I can install? Yes, I know there are all the numpad commands, but with Jaws at least, being able to keep one’s hands on the keyboard instead of having to switch back and forth adds up and makes a difference and comfort. And to be clear, I’m not looking for a Jaws clone and am aware that they’re two different products. I’m completely open to this different approach, but this navigational thing is for me anyway proving to be the one major stumbling bock to try to use it more. I would appreciate any enlightenment. Thanks, Cristóbal
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Re: putting mail app on my desktop
And for anyone who wants a set of printable step-by-step instructions to do this:
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: putting mail app on my desktop
Richard Wells
Josh: From the run dialog, type: shell:appsfolder and press
enter. Now navigate to the mail app. Press applications key or
SHIFT+F10 to bring up the context menu and arrow to create
shortcut. It'll tell you that you cannot put it here, do you want
to put it on the desktop. Answer yes and you are done.
On 1/20/2019 2:56 PM, Josh Kennedy
wrote:
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Re: Single key navigation on Google Chrome
Gene
Please read my answers carefully. I didn't
say anything about whether your message is on topic. I said to start a new
thread; don't just reply to an old one and change the subject line and I
explained why.
If you no longer have my message, it is reproduced
in this thread below our current messages.
Gene, Moderator
From: John J. Boyer
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 2:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Single key navigation on Google
Chrome John On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 11:44:35PM -0600, Gene wrote: > Please start a new thread when starting a new topic. Don't reply to an old one, change the subject line, then write the message. If you do that, people who read mail by conversation will see it in the wrong conversation. > > Gene, moderator > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John J. Boyer > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 10:29 PM > To: nvda@nvda.groups.io > Subject: Re: [nvda] Single key navigation on Google Chrome > > > I have had this problem for a long time and have reported it numerous times, but nobody seems to be interested in fixing > it. It's not just with Chrome but with Firefox also. It's something in Windows that NVDA doesn't handle. It's not just a > matter of registerinnng dlls. I've tried that. > > John > > On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 03:39:23PM -0600, Greg Rhodes wrote: > > I just downloaded and installed Google Chrome on my PC running Windows 10, version 1809. After doing a search, I can’t get single key navigation to work (even though I have gone into browse mode). Also when I went to nvaccess.org via Chrome, single key navigation wasn’t working to navigate around the NVDA website. Help. Thanks. > > > > Greg > > > > > > > > > > -- > John J. Boyer > Email: john.boyer@... > website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org > Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. > Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA > Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services > that are available at no cost > > > > > > > -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
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putting mail app on my desktop
Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@...>
Hi,
Currently the windows 10 mail app on my RCA Cambio windows 10 tablet laptop is on the running applicationsTtoolBar. How do I put it on the desktop using the keyboard? My tablet also has a touch screen and it can be removed from the physical keyboard dock. Could I move it onto the desktop with the touch screen somehow?
Josh
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Re: Single key navigation on Google Chrome
John J. Boyer
My message was on topic, since I am using Chrome.
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John
On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 11:44:35PM -0600, Gene wrote:
Please start a new thread when starting a new topic. Don't reply to an old one, change the subject line, then write the message. If you do that, people who read mail by conversation will see it in the wrong conversation. --
John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
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Re: how to advance slides with nvda
If all you need to do is view, you may find it better saving the thing in rtf from the save menu then opening it. That was how I did all powerpoints back in university.
On 21/01/2019 1:53 AM, Alexandre Alves
Toco wrote:
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