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Re: BARD Express

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


hurray, though I did have to change my synthesizer to the core voices in order to read the first part of this email. I agree. When going through book choices NVDA only reads the book title, author's name and a small fraction of the annotation. then jumps to the narrator's name.
i am having to turn Jaws on in order to get the whol annotation. I tested it with narrator and it only reads the title.
***
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
****

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] BARD Express

Getting back to topic, andhoping this Email reads as it should *Iforgot to change myWindows10 Keyboard language from Spanish to English( fix the Bard Express issue! It’sannoying having to press the Control]b or Book Detailscommand! I don’t understnadwhy other screenreaders work as they should with Bard Express, being lately that more and more of us are using NVDA.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Diane
Enviado: sábado, 19 de enero de 2019 02:09 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] BARD Express

 

I just the message Doc sent about bard express with Jaws and the same thing

happens.  It switches languages, so it isn't just BVDA.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Nevzat Adil" <nevzatadil@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 8:15 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] BARD Express

 

 

Yes, it switches to Spanish. Also in my Word documents NVDA switches

to Spanish on some lines.

Nevzat

 

On 1/19/19, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

> i am not doing it on purpose. it just happens.

> ***

> Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

> the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you

> get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!

> ****

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: marcio via Groups.Io

>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>   Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 1:39 AM

>   Subject: Re: [nvda] BARD Express

>   Hey Robert,

>   How are you doing to have NVDA switching languages just reading e-mails?

> I

> would like such a feature in mine as well.

>   Cheers,

>   Marcio

>   Follow me on Twitter

>   Em 19/01/2019 06:37, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:

>     

>     unfortunately NVDA is switching languages and I cannot understand what

> you wrote.

>     ***

>     Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

>     the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if

> you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!

>     ****

>       ----- Original Message -----

>       From: Gerardo Corripio

>       To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>       Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 8:26 AM

>       Subject: Re: [nvda] BARD Express

>       Yes fix this issue! It’s annoying having to always invoke the Go to

> Details command in Bard Express! If the issue werefixed, it’d make

> thebrowsing of Bard Express somuchefficient!

>                        Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

>       De: Robert Doc Wright godfearer

>       Enviado: jueves, 17 de enero de 2019 04:51 a. m.

>       Para: NVDA

>       Asunto: [nvda] BARD Express

>       has there been any consideration to fix NVDA to read the entire

> annotation when searching for books in BARD express? Currantly it only

> reads

> the title, author and a fraction of the annotation then jumps to the

> narrator.

>       ***

>       Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

>       the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what

> if

> you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!

>       ****

 

 

 

 

 

 


Re: Single key navigation on Google Chrome

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear John & List:
Have you tried running this issue by the MAS Disability Answer Group? They may have again answer or escalate it to engineering for you. Brian K. Lingard


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf of John J. Boyer
Sent: January 21, 2019 2:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Single key navigation on Google Chrome

When I got my desktop machine with Windows Pro a couple of years ago, the quick navigation keys worked. When I installed Microsoft Office, they stopped working. My computer vendor tried to track down the problem, but could not. One weird think was that the quick navigation keys would work when they accessed the machine remotely, but they would not work for me at home. I got a notebook computer with Windows Home about a year ago. The vendor configured it according to my specifications. The quick navigation keys never worked.

I am glad somebody else has this problem. Maybe the developers will look into it, even though it is obscure and would be hard to replicate.

Thanks,
John

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 09:12:13PM +1300, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm.

How long have you been running your installation of windows for?

This is probably an unexplained issue.

have you run dims and sac; I forget the command for dims.

Usually I just reformat.

And usually it is what I do first off.

Its usually not worth trying to research any of these issues
Especially if it is so obscure.

I mean sure, some coded component is probably damaged but unless you
Really need it like immediately then it is not worth doing.

The only situation where I had to really push it was when I had an
Emergency fix up job on a system for a family member that handled a business.

He had a 3-day deadline and he needed to get the system free of malware.

Freeing the system of malware was not the problem but fixing the damage was.

I would have usually just reformat and restored everything from the
Backup drives.

But we were not ready for that and I had no software.

I spent the next 48 hours researching, and I barely slept those two
Days, drinking at least two six packs of v every 3 hours or so to keep awake.

I got the thing fixed after searching all sorts of sites, finally
After searching some dodgy hacking sites I got a fix program which
Fixed the issue but me usually just reformat and do it properly.

Windows is far too complex if it breaks to even attempt to fix.



On 20/01/2019 5:29 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I have had this problem for a long time and have reported it numerous
times, but nobody seems to be interested in fixing it. It is not just
with Chrome but with Firefox also. It is something in Windows that NVDA does not handle. It is not just a matter of registering dolls. I have tried that.

John

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 03:39:23PM -0600, Greg Rhodes wrote:
I just downloaded and installed Google Chrome on my PC running Windows 10, version 1809. After doing a search, I cannot get single key navigation to work (even though I have gone into browse mode). In addition, when I went to nvaccess.org via Chrome, single key navigation was not working to navigate around the NVDA website. Help. Thanks.

Greg




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Urgent Help With Accessing Google Drive and Docs

Bhavya shah
 

Dear all,

I will now be required, for certain essential activities, be required
to extensively use Google Docs and in extension Google Drive for the
next several months to collaborate on documents. Given this, it is
imperative that I get well acquainted to Drive and Docs. However, that
is precisely what I am struggling with.

* I began reading AFB's NVDA specific tutorials on Google Drive and
Docs, but my experience with Drive is not exactly corresponding to
what has been instructed.
* This includes things like NVDA being very latent in the tree view
item on Google Drive, at random instances simply getting stuck in a
control which has nothing in it until I Tab out of it, all of which is
preventing me from even managing to go inside a folder and view its
files, let alone open a document and edit it.
* Due to these issues, I am currently relying on direct URLs to files
and documents to access them and subsequently work on and contribute
to them. Another alternative approach I have tried to adopt is to add
this particular shared folder to my own Drive, such that I can access
it on Windows Explorer on my PC itself. In this scenario, there are a
number of important files that are missing from the folder on my
computer which I have had confirmed with my collaborators. Backup and
Sync from Google on my computer contradictorily claims that everything
has been updated.

I am unclear on how to resolve NVDA's laggy behaviour on Google Drive
on the web or instead be able to get all the files in the shared
folder as they are newly created and updated on my computer. I would
greatly appreciate any ideas or suggestions on a more elegant means of
using Google Drive and Docs. Things I intend to try for now are
confined to switching from Firefox to Chrome in hopes that an
alternate web browser may provide better support for NVDA with
Google's web apps.

Thanks.

P.S. I did press Ctrl+Alt+Z to enable screen reader support in Docs,
and switched views in Drive from grid to list.

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RES: [nvda] how to advance slides with nvda

Alexandre Alves Toco
 

Hi, I showed the screen for a sighted person and he said that the presentation was in the full screen mode.

In this mode the control buttons disappear.

I didn’t investigate more because I didn’t even know about this mode.

Any way I will do the test without add-ons.

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 

De: Quentin Christensen
Enviado:segunda-feira, 21 de janeiro de 2019 01:00
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Assunto: Re: [nvda] how to advance slides with nvda

 

Hi Alexandre,

 

I also can't reproduce this - with a slideshow running (in Office 365 rather than 2016) , I can change slides with Page up / Page down, space / backspace and enter, whether in the slide body or the notes (CONTROL+SHIFT+S).

 

Are you using any add-ons?  I can't think of any that should break viewing a slideshow, but it's always possible - press NVDA+Q as if to quit NVDA, then down arrow to restart with add-ons disabled to confirm it's not an add-on.

 

Otherwise, could you perhaps send me a copy of your log?

 

Regards

 

Quentin.

 

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 11:53 PM Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...> wrote:

Hi friends.

I opened a presentation in PowerPoint 2016 and pressed f5 to start the presentation.

I can read the first slide’s text with nvda and, if I press ctrl+shift+s I can read the nodes.

But how can I go to the next slide?

I tried to press pagedown, enter, spacebar and even press nvda key + f2 and pagedown. But it didn’t change slides.

 

 

Enviado do Email para Windows 10

 


 

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Emoji in Office 365

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello NVDA developers


A friend who is not on this list asked me to report that when using NVDA with Office 365 emoji are not shown; instead the number 12 appears in the text. This only happens in Office 365 and not in older versions of Office. He says that the opposition Shark handles emoji perfectly in 365. Is this a know issue?


Kind regards


Christo


Re: getting rid of norton security tool

 

hi.
i realized that geek uninsttaller has capability of removing stubborn
program, but not sure that does this remove norton or not!
its free and portable and you can test it yourself.
hope that helps, God bless!

On 1/21/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Does taking the machine back to before digital editions remove it? If no
then its one of those horrible pest type programs like Avast which I wish
I'd never heard of.

I've said it before, but any bit of software that when uninstalled does not

leave the machine in exactly the same condition as before is to be avoided
in my view. Its odd that it seems that the problem is nearly always due to a

security product.
I guess if it were easy to remove by third party software then it would be

easy to disable it by some kind of malware.
Often uninstalling these tools in safe mode works a whole lot better as
then the running services do not tend to reinstall their components on the

reboot.
Brian

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Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] getting rid of norton security tool


Hi,
I installed adobe digital editions to read epub books. It asked me if I
wanted to also install norton security scan. I clicked disagree, no, no
thanks, etcetera with jaws/NVDA mouse cursor. But it installed it anyway
along with some norton product thing which seems to have gone away. It also

installed a chrome extension that i removed. I tried using the norton
removal tool with OCR but this stubborn norton security scan just will not
go away! So how do I remove it? Should I just reset windows10 wipe out
everything and reinstall and re-set everything back up on my RCA cambio
tablet laptop? I tried uninstalling from both control panel and the windows

10 settings app but no luck. this stubborn norton security scan still seems

to stick around. Would malware bytes remove it perhaps? or is there an
accessible revo uninstaller or force program remover tool that will
uninstall it? the norton removal utility tool did not help at all.

thanks,

josh

Sent from Mail for Windows 10









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I would not do it.
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Re: Special simvle

Brian's Mail list account
 

Can you be a bit more specific on what you are trying to achieve in nvda?
Are you wanting to allow nvda to read a special symbol or are you perhaps asking on how to create a particular symbol in a document, this is a windows query and may be more applicable on a windows list.
Often this sort of thing depends on the language windows is set on and the language the installed version has loaded.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "farhan israk" <fahim.net.2014@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Special simvle


How to insert special simble including [] in Windows 10 desktop computer?



Re: getting rid of norton security tool

Brian's Mail list account
 

Does taking the machine back to before digital editions remove it? If no then its one of those horrible pest type programs like Avast which I wish I'd never heard of.

I've said it before, but any bit of software that when uninstalled does not leave the machine in exactly the same condition as before is to be avoided in my view. Its odd that it seems that the problem is nearly always due to a security product.
I guess if it were easy to remove by third party software then it would be easy to disable it by some kind of malware.
Often uninstalling these tools in safe mode works a whole lot better as then the running services do not tend to reinstall their components on the reboot.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@...>
To: <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:15 AM
Subject: [nvda] getting rid of norton security tool


Hi,
I installed adobe digital editions to read epub books. It asked me if I wanted to also install norton security scan. I clicked disagree, no, no thanks, etcetera with jaws/NVDA mouse cursor. But it installed it anyway along with some norton product thing which seems to have gone away. It also installed a chrome extension that i removed. I tried using the norton removal tool with OCR but this stubborn norton security scan just will not go away! So how do I remove it? Should I just reset windows10 wipe out everything and reinstall and re-set everything back up on my RCA cambio tablet laptop? I tried uninstalling from both control panel and the windows 10 settings app but no luck. this stubborn norton security scan still seems to stick around. Would malware bytes remove it perhaps? or is there an accessible revo uninstaller or force program remover tool that will uninstall it? the norton removal utility tool did not help at all.

thanks,

josh

Sent from Mail for Windows 10


Re: Special simvle

Quentin Christensen
 

The symbol you inserted didn't come through, but do you mean emojis?  If so, I put some information about using them in the last In-Process before Christmas: https://www.nvaccess.org/post/in-process-18th-december-18/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 6:46 PM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:

How to insert special simble including [] in Windows 10 desktop computer?



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Special simvle

farhan israk
 

How to insert special simble including [] in Windows 10 desktop computer?


Re: Single key navigation on Google Chrome

John J. Boyer
 

When I got my desktop machine with Windows Pro a couple of years ago the quick navigation keys worked. When I installed
Microsoft Office they stopped working. My computer vendor tried to track down the pproblem, but couldn't. One weird
think was that the quick navigation keys would work when they accessed the machine remotely, but they wouldn't work for
me at home. I got a notebook computer with Windows Home about a year ago. The vendor configured it according to my
specifications. The quick navigation keys never worked.

I'm glad somebody else has this problem. maybe the developers will look into it, even though it is obscure and would be
hard to replicate.

Thanks,
John

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 09:12:13PM +1300, Shaun Everiss wrote:
Hmmm.

How long have you been running your instalation of windows for.

This is probably an unexplained issue.

have you run dism and sfc, I forget the comand for dism.

Usually I just reformat.

And usually its what I do first off.

Its usually not worth trying to research any of these issues especially if
its so obscure.

I mean sure, some coded component is probably dammaged but unless you really
need it like immediately then it is not worth doing.

The only situation where I had to really push it was when I had an emergency
fix up job on a system for a family member that handled a business.

He had a 3 day deadline and he needed to get the system free of malware.

Freeing the system of malware wasn't the problem but fixing the dammage was.

I would have usually just reformat and restored everything from the backup
drives.

But we were not ready for that and I had no software.

I spent the next 48 hours researching, and I barely slept those 2 days,
drinking at least 2 6 packs of v every 3 hours or so to keep awake.

I got the thing fixed after searching all sorts of sites, finally after
searching some dodgy hacking sites I got a fix program which fixed the issue
but I usually just reformat and do it properly.

Windows is far to complex if it breaks to even attempt to fix.



On 20/01/2019 5:29 PM, John J. Boyer wrote:
I have had this problem for a long time and have reported it numerous times, but nobody seems to be interested in fixing
it. It's not just with Chrome but with Firefox also. It's something in Windows that NVDA doesn't handle. It's not just a
matter of registerinnng dlls. I've tried that.

John

On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 03:39:23PM -0600, Greg Rhodes wrote:
I just downloaded and installed Google Chrome on my PC running Windows 10, version 1809. After doing a search, I can’t get single key navigation to work (even though I have gone into browse mode). Also when I went to nvaccess.org via Chrome, single key navigation wasn’t working to navigate around the NVDA website. Help. Thanks.

Greg




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getting rid of norton security tool

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

I installed adobe digital editions to read epub books. It asked me if I wanted to also install norton security scan. I clicked disagree, no, no thanks, etcetera with jaws/NVDA mouse cursor. But it installed it anyway along with some norton product thing which seems to have gone away. It also installed a chrome extension that i removed. I tried using the norton removal tool with OCR but this stubborn norton security scan just will not go away! So how do I remove it? Should I just reset windows10 wipe out everything and reinstall and re-set everything back up on my RCA cambio tablet laptop? I tried uninstalling from both control panel and the windows 10 settings app but no luck. this stubborn norton security scan still seems to stick around. Would malware bytes remove it perhaps? or is there an accessible revo uninstaller or force program remover tool that will uninstall it? the norton removal utility tool did not help at all.

 

thanks,

 

josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: NVDA and Firefox

Felix G.
 

Hi,
as Firefox is designed with accessibility way up on the priority list,
it's atypical that there should just be no way to get to one of its
own notifications. The resident Mozillans on this list can probably
shed some light on how it's supposed to work.
Best,
Felix

Am Mo., 21. Jan. 2019 um 01:30 Uhr schrieb Desert Moon via Groups.Io
<desert.moon@...>:


Hello Chris,



I use Firefox (latest version) and have the Firefox Add-on installed.



After you have logged into a site for the first time, the alert to save passed is in focus and totally accessible. You can tab around: Save, Don’t Save, User Name and Password; and make your choice.



But if you navigate away from the alert, you will not get it back. Firefox has no hotkey for that. With the Firefox Add-on, you can press NVDA + Ctrl + N. It is supposed to read the last notification and takes the system focus to it if it is possible. But all you hear is: “Last alert about xx seconds (or minutes, whatever the case may be) ago. Couldn't capture the texts of the notification.” Other methods suggested by folks in this thread don’t seem to be able to salvage the alert, I am afraid.



So, if you have bypassed that alert, just wait for it to pop up after your next login.




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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

Gene
 

Are you saying you want to use movement commands where you use keyboard commands for movement in JAWS that duplicate the numpad movement commands in desktop layout?  NVDA doesn't have such commands.  The numpad isn't used for that purpose in the desktop layout and such commands aren't duplicated on the laptop.  If that is what you are saying, I think that if you got used to it and gave it time, you would find movement with the keyboard commands such as control plus arrow keys to be as efficient.  Its muscle memory, as you said.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 9:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

I’ve been using Jaws going on 18 years now.

I am aware of the various Jaws screen reader and windows numpad keystroke commands.

My query was on commands for navigating via the keyboard in a laptop mode. As I mentioned going back and forth between the keyboard and the numpad/arrow keys for me at least takes away from the efficiency as opposed to with Jaws where you can do navigate by character, word, line or paragraph without ever having to take your hands away from the main keyboard itself. It’s not that going back and forth between the main keyboard and numpad or arrow keys is that big a deal, but do it hundreds of times throughout the day and in the aggregate  can quickly become noticeable and tedious.

Thus my question on whether there were NVDA commands and or an add-on beyond the capslock+L for read current line that also allowed for further navigation without having to use the numpad and even the arrow keys.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

I should say, on seeing further discussion, that I'm not sure what you mean by jump by word.  As has been said, control down arrow moves down by paragraph and you can use all the standard movement commands.  They are not screen-reader commands.  If someone only taught you the numpad command movement commands in JAWS or the laptop alternative numpad movement commands, that's negligence.  In any screen-reader, or even if you weren't using one, you can use all these commands.  Right arrow, move one character right.  Left arrow, move one character left.  Up arrow, move up one line.  Down arrow, move down one line.  Down by paragraph, control down arrow. 

Up by paragraph, control up arrow.

 

I'm not sure if those are the kinds of commands you want to know but I suspect you were only taught the JAWS numpad or the JAWS laptop movement commands and not the Windows commands and that is incompetent teaching beyond belief, if that is what was done.

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

I don't use the laptop layout in NVDA.  I wouldn't even if I had a laptop without a numpad.  I much prefer the desktop layout.  I haven't looked at the laptop commands much but they don't seem consistent to me in terms of following patterns nearly as much as the desktop layout does.  If you are looking at commands using something like the commands reference and you are using the laptop commands, those are the ones to use.  If you want to get a USB numpad and use the desktop layout, I don't know if you would like the structure more but I prefer it a great deal more.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

Hello list,

So I am mainly a Jaws user, but have been trying to make the effort to use NVDA more or at least become more proficient with it. The one issue I continue to have with NVDA and just can’t get used to is the keyboard navigation. I know it in part has to do with simple muscle memory with Jaws commands, but outside of the NVDA key (caps lock) plus L command to read the current line, I just cannot get used to not being able to jump around via paragraph or line or word, etc., like in Jaws laptop keyboard layout. Am I just missing something and am not aware of other keyboard navigational keystroke commands in NVDA or is there perhaps an add-on I can install?

Yes, I know there are all the numpad commands, but with Jaws at least, being able to keep one’s hands on the keyboard instead of having to switch back and forth adds up and makes a difference and comfort. And to be clear, I’m not looking for a Jaws clone and am aware that they’re two different products. I’m completely open to this different approach, but this navigational thing is for me anyway proving to be the one major stumbling bock to try to use it more.

I would appreciate any enlightenment.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

Usually, control right/left arrow moves by word.  Don't know if this is what the op was wanting to know, but there it is.  It doesn't always work, depending on the program, but usually it does.


On 1/20/2019 7:45 PM, Gene wrote:
I should say, on seeing further discussion, that I'm not sure what you mean by jump by word.  As has been said, control down arrow moves down by paragraph and you can use all the standard movement commands.  They are not screen-reader commands.  If someone only taught you the numpad command movement commands in JAWS or the laptop alternative numpad movement commands, that's negligence.  In any screen-reader, or even if you weren't using one, you can use all these commands.  Right arrow, move one character right.  Left arrow, move one character left.  Up arrow, move up one line.  Down arrow, move down one line.  Down by paragraph, control down arrow. 
Up by paragraph, control up arrow.
 
I'm not sure if those are the kinds of commands you want to know but I suspect you were only taught the JAWS numpad or the JAWS laptop movement commands and not the Windows commands and that is incompetent teaching beyond belief, if that is what was done.
 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

I don't use the laptop layout in NVDA.  I wouldn't even if I had a laptop without a numpad.  I much prefer the desktop layout.  I haven't looked at the laptop commands much but they don't seem consistent to me in terms of following patterns nearly as much as the desktop layout does.  If you are looking at commands using something like the commands reference and you are using the laptop commands, those are the ones to use.  If you want to get a USB numpad and use the desktop layout, I don't know if you would like the structure more but I prefer it a great deal more.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

Hello list,

So I am mainly a Jaws user, but have been trying to make the effort to use NVDA more or at least become more proficient with it. The one issue I continue to have with NVDA and just can’t get used to is the keyboard navigation. I know it in part has to do with simple muscle memory with Jaws commands, but outside of the NVDA key (caps lock) plus L command to read the current line, I just cannot get used to not being able to jump around via paragraph or line or word, etc., like in Jaws laptop keyboard layout. Am I just missing something and am not aware of other keyboard navigational keystroke commands in NVDA or is there perhaps an add-on I can install?

Yes, I know there are all the numpad commands, but with Jaws at least, being able to keep one’s hands on the keyboard instead of having to switch back and forth adds up and makes a difference and comfort. And to be clear, I’m not looking for a Jaws clone and am aware that they’re two different products. I’m completely open to this different approach, but this navigational thing is for me anyway proving to be the one major stumbling bock to try to use it more.

I would appreciate any enlightenment.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

Cristóbal
 

I’ve been using Jaws going on 18 years now.

I am aware of the various Jaws screen reader and windows numpad keystroke commands.

My query was on commands for navigating via the keyboard in a laptop mode. As I mentioned going back and forth between the keyboard and the numpad/arrow keys for me at least takes away from the efficiency as opposed to with Jaws where you can do navigate by character, word, line or paragraph without ever having to take your hands away from the main keyboard itself. It’s not that going back and forth between the main keyboard and numpad or arrow keys is that big a deal, but do it hundreds of times throughout the day and in the aggregate  can quickly become noticeable and tedious.

Thus my question on whether there were NVDA commands and or an add-on beyond the capslock+L for read current line that also allowed for further navigation without having to use the numpad and even the arrow keys.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

I should say, on seeing further discussion, that I'm not sure what you mean by jump by word.  As has been said, control down arrow moves down by paragraph and you can use all the standard movement commands.  They are not screen-reader commands.  If someone only taught you the numpad command movement commands in JAWS or the laptop alternative numpad movement commands, that's negligence.  In any screen-reader, or even if you weren't using one, you can use all these commands.  Right arrow, move one character right.  Left arrow, move one character left.  Up arrow, move up one line.  Down arrow, move down one line.  Down by paragraph, control down arrow. 

Up by paragraph, control up arrow.

 

I'm not sure if those are the kinds of commands you want to know but I suspect you were only taught the JAWS numpad or the JAWS laptop movement commands and not the Windows commands and that is incompetent teaching beyond belief, if that is what was done.

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

I don't use the laptop layout in NVDA.  I wouldn't even if I had a laptop without a numpad.  I much prefer the desktop layout.  I haven't looked at the laptop commands much but they don't seem consistent to me in terms of following patterns nearly as much as the desktop layout does.  If you are looking at commands using something like the commands reference and you are using the laptop commands, those are the ones to use.  If you want to get a USB numpad and use the desktop layout, I don't know if you would like the structure more but I prefer it a great deal more.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

Hello list,

So I am mainly a Jaws user, but have been trying to make the effort to use NVDA more or at least become more proficient with it. The one issue I continue to have with NVDA and just can’t get used to is the keyboard navigation. I know it in part has to do with simple muscle memory with Jaws commands, but outside of the NVDA key (caps lock) plus L command to read the current line, I just cannot get used to not being able to jump around via paragraph or line or word, etc., like in Jaws laptop keyboard layout. Am I just missing something and am not aware of other keyboard navigational keystroke commands in NVDA or is there perhaps an add-on I can install?

Yes, I know there are all the numpad commands, but with Jaws at least, being able to keep one’s hands on the keyboard instead of having to switch back and forth adds up and makes a difference and comfort. And to be clear, I’m not looking for a Jaws clone and am aware that they’re two different products. I’m completely open to this different approach, but this navigational thing is for me anyway proving to be the one major stumbling bock to try to use it more.

I would appreciate any enlightenment.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


Re: how to advance slides with nvda

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Alexandre,

I also can't reproduce this - with a slideshow running (in Office 365 rather than 2016) , I can change slides with Page up / Page down, space / backspace and enter, whether in the slide body or the notes (CONTROL+SHIFT+S).

Are you using any add-ons?  I can't think of any that should break viewing a slideshow, but it's always possible - press NVDA+Q as if to quit NVDA, then down arrow to restart with add-ons disabled to confirm it's not an add-on.

Otherwise, could you perhaps send me a copy of your log?

Regards

Quentin.

On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 11:53 PM Alexandre Alves Toco <alexandretoco@...> wrote:

Hi friends.

I opened a presentation in PowerPoint 2016 and pressed f5 to start the presentation.

I can read the first slide’s text with nvda and, if I press ctrl+shift+s I can read the nodes.

But how can I go to the next slide?

I tried to press pagedown, enter, spacebar and even press nvda key + f2 and pagedown. But it didn’t change slides.

 

 

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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

Gene
 

I should say, on seeing further discussion, that I'm not sure what you mean by jump by word.  As has been said, control down arrow moves down by paragraph and you can use all the standard movement commands.  They are not screen-reader commands.  If someone only taught you the numpad command movement commands in JAWS or the laptop alternative numpad movement commands, that's negligence.  In any screen-reader, or even if you weren't using one, you can use all these commands.  Right arrow, move one character right.  Left arrow, move one character left.  Up arrow, move up one line.  Down arrow, move down one line.  Down by paragraph, control down arrow. 
Up by paragraph, control up arrow.
 
I'm not sure if those are the kinds of commands you want to know but I suspect you were only taught the JAWS numpad or the JAWS laptop movement commands and not the Windows commands and that is incompetent teaching beyond belief, if that is what was done.
 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

I don't use the laptop layout in NVDA.  I wouldn't even if I had a laptop without a numpad.  I much prefer the desktop layout.  I haven't looked at the laptop commands much but they don't seem consistent to me in terms of following patterns nearly as much as the desktop layout does.  If you are looking at commands using something like the commands reference and you are using the laptop commands, those are the ones to use.  If you want to get a USB numpad and use the desktop layout, I don't know if you would like the structure more but I prefer it a great deal more.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:19 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

Hello list,

So I am mainly a Jaws user, but have been trying to make the effort to use NVDA more or at least become more proficient with it. The one issue I continue to have with NVDA and just can’t get used to is the keyboard navigation. I know it in part has to do with simple muscle memory with Jaws commands, but outside of the NVDA key (caps lock) plus L command to read the current line, I just cannot get used to not being able to jump around via paragraph or line or word, etc., like in Jaws laptop keyboard layout. Am I just missing something and am not aware of other keyboard navigational keystroke commands in NVDA or is there perhaps an add-on I can install?

Yes, I know there are all the numpad commands, but with Jaws at least, being able to keep one’s hands on the keyboard instead of having to switch back and forth adds up and makes a difference and comfort. And to be clear, I’m not looking for a Jaws clone and am aware that they’re two different products. I’m completely open to this different approach, but this navigational thing is for me anyway proving to be the one major stumbling bock to try to use it more.

I would appreciate any enlightenment.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 


Re: NVDA and Firefox

Desert Moon
 

Hello Chris,

 

I use Firefox (latest version) and have the Firefox Add-on installed.

 

After you have logged into a site for the first time, the alert to save passed is in focus and totally accessible. You can tab around: Save, Don’t Save, User Name and Password; and make your choice.

 

But if you navigate away from the alert, you will not get it back. Firefox has no hotkey for that. With the Firefox Add-on, you can press NVDA + Ctrl + N. It is supposed to read the last notification and takes the system focus to it if it is possible. But all you hear is: “Last alert about xx seconds (or minutes, whatever the case may be) ago. Couldn't capture the texts of the notification.” Other methods suggested by folks in this thread don’t seem to be able to salvage the alert, I am afraid.

 

So, if you have bypassed that alert, just wait for it to pop up after your next login.

 


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Re: BARD Express

Gerardo Corripio
 

Getting back to topic, andhoping this Email reads as it should *Iforgot to change myWindows10 Keyboard language from Spanish to English( fix the Bard Express issue! It’sannoying having to press the Control]b or Book Detailscommand! I don’t understnadwhy other screenreaders work as they should with Bard Express, being lately that more and more of us are using NVDA.

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Diane
Enviado: sábado, 19 de enero de 2019 02:09 p. m.
Para: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Asunto: Re: [nvda] BARD Express

 

I just the message Doc sent about bard express with Jaws and the same thing

happens.  It switches languages, so it isn't just BVDA.

----- Original Message -----

From: "Nevzat Adil" <nevzatadil@...>

To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>

Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 8:15 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] BARD Express

 

 

Yes, it switches to Spanish. Also in my Word documents NVDA switches

to Spanish on some lines.

Nevzat

 

On 1/19/19, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

> i am not doing it on purpose. it just happens.

> ***

> Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

> the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you

> get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!

> ****

>   ----- Original Message -----

>   From: marcio via Groups.Io

>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>   Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2019 1:39 AM

>   Subject: Re: [nvda] BARD Express

>   Hey Robert,

>   How are you doing to have NVDA switching languages just reading e-mails?

> I

> would like such a feature in mine as well.

>   Cheers,

>   Marcio

>   Follow me on Twitter

>   Em 19/01/2019 06:37, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:

>     

>     unfortunately NVDA is switching languages and I cannot understand what

> you wrote.

>     ***

>     Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

>     the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if

> you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!

>     ****

>       ----- Original Message -----

>       From: Gerardo Corripio

>       To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

>       Sent: Friday, January 18, 2019 8:26 AM

>       Subject: Re: [nvda] BARD Express

>       Yes fix this issue! It’s annoying having to always invoke the Go to

> Details command in Bard Express! If the issue werefixed, it’d make

> thebrowsing of Bard Express somuchefficient!

>                        Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

>       De: Robert Doc Wright godfearer

>       Enviado: jueves, 17 de enero de 2019 04:51 a. m.

>       Para: NVDA

>       Asunto: [nvda] BARD Express

>       has there been any consideration to fix NVDA to read the entire

> annotation when searching for books in BARD express? Currantly it only

> reads

> the title, author and a fraction of the annotation then jumps to the

> narrator.

>       ***

>       Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.

>       the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what

> if

> you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!

>       ****