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Re: getting rid of norton security tool

Josh Kennedy
 

I want to read epub books downloaded from bookshare. will that ezardi epub reader work? if i can get it from ninite then there will be no junkware along with it. 


Re: NVDA command to read columns in a MS Word document

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Control-alt-leftArrow or rightArrow

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Greg Rhodes
Sent: Dienstag, 22. Januar 2019 15:45
To: NVDA Users Group <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] NVDA command to read columns in a MS Word document

 

I’ve set up a Word document with 3 columns. When I am using NVDA to read back through the document, is there a command to jump from column to column e.g. read line 1 in the first column and then jump to line 1 in the second column? Thanks.

 

Greg

 


nvda and adobe digital edition

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

Ok well I finally got my RCA cambio tablet reset. I had to turn it off. Turn it back on and then keep tapping f9 until the windows10 troubleshooter came up and windows narrator turned on. And then I reset windows10 and told it to wipe out and remove everything and it did. Everything is back installed the way I like except for a game or two that I can get later on.  So my question is this. Norton and its junk I do not care about has been wiped out. So is there a way I can get adobe digital edition without Norton? I don’t want the Norton stuff to be installed all over again. I just want adobe digital edition software so I can read epub books. Or will google chrome let me read epub books with the bookmarking features and stuff?

 

Josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: reading from cursor to end of document issues

Gene
 

But that doesn't do the same thing.  it reads to the end but it doesn't move the application cursor as it moves, something important for editing.  I find that feature useful in cases where there is no application or virtual cursor, for example sometimes, I am partway in a dialog having skipped some of it while using the screen review commands but I want to read the rest of it from where I am.  But when working with programs that have a cursor or virtual cursor, I think it is better to use the read to end command.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Ann Byrne
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 8:14 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading from cursor to end of document issues

Pressing the + on the numpad will also read to the end of the document.
At 07:26 AM 1/22/2019, you wrote:
>This message contains a number of suggestions.
>
>The screen saver should be off because it will stop read to end
>after a time of reading.  There is no keyboard activity so it comes
>on.  But it doesn't come on right away and read to end will work for
>perhaps thirty seconds or a minute, however long the screen saver
>waits to come on.  This problem is that read to end stops after the
>current line.
>
>If the desktop layout is being used, it should be asked, are you
>using NVDA down arrow or NVDA 2 on the numpad.  In JAWS, using NVDA
>2 on the numpad starts read to end as well as using down arrow on
>the main keyboard.  In NVDA, you must use down arrow on the main
>keyboard, but you can use einumpad insert or any other NVDA key,
>including the insert on the main keyboard as well.  What key are you
>using as the NVDA key?  I seem to recall hearing of an odd
>circumstance where one NVDA key, such as insert, worked, but caps
>lock didn't, on one computer.  You may want to try another NVDA
>key.  and if those3 things don't work, try running NVDA with add-ons
>disabled and see if it works.
>
>Gene
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>zahra
>Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:33 PM
>To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
>Subject: Re: [nvda] reading from cursor to end of document issues
>
>hi.
>if you use desktop layout and SayAll still does not work for you, just
>find screen saver on control panel or by search find it and set it to
>none.
>i am sure that you can use SayAll in all commen and accessible
>programs like web browsers, notepad, wordpad, notepad plus plus and
>microsoft word.
>but unfortunately SayAll is not supported in openoffice or libreoffice
>if you use them.
>
>On 1/21/19, Brian Vogel
><<mailto:britechguy@...>britechguy@...> wrote:
> > From the NVDA keyboard shortcuts document
> >
> > Say all
> > Desktop Layout   NVDA+Down Arrow
> > Laptop Layout     NVDA+a
> > Description:  Starts reading from the current position of the system caret,
> > moving it along as it goes
> > --
> >
> > Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
> >
> > *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when
> the need for
> > illusion is deep.*
> >
> >           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>--
>By God,
>were I given all the seven heavens
>with all they contain
>in order that
>I may disobey God
>by depriving an ant
>from the husk of a grain of barley,
>I would not do it.
>imam ali
>
>
>




NVDA command to read columns in a MS Word document

Greg Rhodes <gkrhodes@...>
 

I’ve set up a Word document with 3 columns. When I am using NVDA to read back through the document, is there a command to jump from column to column e.g. read line 1 in the first column and then jump to line 1 in the second column? Thanks.

 

Greg

 


Re: reading from cursor to end of document issues

Ann Byrne
 

Pressing the + on the numpad will also read to the end of the document.

At 07:26 AM 1/22/2019, you wrote:
This message contains a number of suggestions.

The screen saver should be off because it will stop read to end after a time of reading. There is no keyboard activity so it comes on. But it doesn't come on right away and read to end will work for perhaps thirty seconds or a minute, however long the screen saver waits to come on. This problem is that read to end stops after the current line.

If the desktop layout is being used, it should be asked, are you using NVDA down arrow or NVDA 2 on the numpad. In JAWS, using NVDA 2 on the numpad starts read to end as well as using down arrow on the main keyboard. In NVDA, you must use down arrow on the main keyboard, but you can use einumpad insert or any other NVDA key, including the insert on the main keyboard as well. What key are you using as the NVDA key? I seem to recall hearing of an odd circumstance where one NVDA key, such as insert, worked, but caps lock didn't, on one computer. You may want to try another NVDA key. and if those3 things don't work, try running NVDA with add-ons disabled and see if it works.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>zahra
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:33 PM
To: <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading from cursor to end of document issues

hi.
if you use desktop layout and SayAll still does not work for you, just
find screen saver on control panel or by search find it and set it to
none.
i am sure that you can use SayAll in all commen and accessible
programs like web browsers, notepad, wordpad, notepad plus plus and
microsoft word.
but unfortunately SayAll is not supported in openoffice or libreoffice
if you use them.

On 1/21/19, Brian Vogel <<mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
From the NVDA keyboard shortcuts document

Say all
Desktop Layout NVDA+Down Arrow
Laptop Layout NVDA+a
Description: Starts reading from the current position of the system caret,
moving it along as it goes
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when
the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: reading from cursor to end of document issues

Gene
 

This message contains a number of suggestions.
 
The screen saver should be off because it will stop read to end after a time of reading.  There is no keyboard activity so it comes on.  But it doesn't come on right away and read to end will work for perhaps thirty seconds or a minute, however long the screen saver waits to come on.  This problem is that read to end stops after the current line. 
 
If the desktop layout is being used, it should be asked, are you using NVDA down arrow or NVDA 2 on the numpad.  In JAWS, using NVDA 2 on the numpad starts read to end as well as using down arrow on the main keyboard.  In NVDA, you must use down arrow on the main keyboard, but you can use einumpad insert or any other NVDA key, including the insert on the main keyboard as well.  What key are you using as the NVDA key?  I seem to recall hearing of an odd circumstance where one NVDA key, such as insert, worked, but caps lock didn't, on one computer.  You may want to try another NVDA key.  and if those3 things don't work, try running NVDA with add-ons disabled and see if it works.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] reading from cursor to end of document issues

hi.
if you use desktop layout and SayAll still does not work for you, just
find screen saver on control panel or by search find it and set it to
none.
i am sure that you can use SayAll in all commen and accessible
programs like web browsers, notepad, wordpad, notepad plus plus and
microsoft word.
but unfortunately SayAll is not supported in openoffice or libreoffice
if you use them.

On 1/21/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> From the NVDA keyboard shortcuts document
>
> Say all
> Desktop Layout   NVDA+Down Arrow
> Laptop Layout     NVDA+a
> Description:  Starts reading from the current position of the system caret,
> moving it along as it goes
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali



Re: Special simvle

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


What language are you working in? Because in english, the two keys to the right of the letter p are square brackets. you have to hit the shift to get the curly brackets.
***
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
****

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 12:08 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Special simvle

Thank you. I want to write square bracket which isn't available in keyboard.


On Mon, 21 Jan 2019, 2:28 pm Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io wrote:
Can you be a bit more specific on what you are trying to achieve in nvda?
 Are you wanting to allow nvda to read a special symbol or are you perhaps
asking on how to create a particular symbol in a document, this is a windows
query and may be more applicable on a windows list.
 Often this sort of thing depends on the language windows is set on and the
language the installed version  has loaded.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "farhan israk" <fahim.net.2014@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Special simvle


> How to insert special simble including [] in Windows 10 desktop computer?
>
>
>
>





Re: reading from cursor to end of document issues

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

It still does. Somehow you must be releasing the NVDA KEY BEFORE HITTING THE DOWN ARROW.
***
Jesus says, follow me and I'll help you through the rough spots.
the world says, hey come with me. My way is broad and easy. So what if you get crap on your shoes. You can always wash it off, can't you!
****

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 11:33 AM
Subject: [nvda] reading from cursor to end of document issues

Hi all,

I frequently have issues with NVDA not reading from cursor to end of a document.  I press NVDA key plus down arrow and only one line is read. How can I get it to continue reading?  I believe this use to work.  But maybe I’m mistaken.

Thanks for any guidance.

 


Re: Fast browse mode - request to test

Felix G.
 

Hi Tony,
you may be writing NVDA history here, squashing an entire swarm of
browse mode related problems in one fell swoop while at the same time
leaving the traditional code in place and fully functional when
required. My applause.
Best,
Felix

Am Di., 22. Jan. 2019 um 00:34 Uhr schrieb Tony Malykh <anton.malykh@gmail.com>:


Hello all,
I would like to ask volunteers of NVDA community to test fast browse
mode in NVDA. Here is a link to alpha version with fast browse mode enabled:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda/releases/download/FastNVDA_alpha_2019_01_21/nvda_snapshot_source-fast_nvda-7c9d81a.exe

A little background. NVDA has systematic problems with browse mode,
such as:
* Rubber band effect - sometimes right after keystroke focus jumps back
to the previous position in the document.
* Edit boxes and other form controls inside web pages sporadically
entering forms mode, especially if pressing keystrokes quickly one after
another.
* General sluggishness.
Fast browse mode aims to resolve all three of these issues. You can
toggle between fast and traditional browse mode by pressing NVDA+8 (not
numpad 8, but number row 8). Fast browse mode is enabled by default in
this build. Traditional mode is the same as what you get in all official
NVDA builds.

Three questions I have for the testers:
1. Do you feel that fast browse mode is indeed faster than traditional
browse mode? If so, in which websites/scenarios you see the most
significant improvement?
2. If you have experienced any of the three browse mode problems
mentioned above, can you still reproduce them with fast browse mode?
3. Are there any bugs with fast browse mode? If so, please provide as
much information about these bugs as possible, such as: Steps to
reproduce, Actual behavior, Expected behavior, System configuration,
Windows version, Browser version, Website name, errors in NVDA output
log if any.

Please send your feedback as a reply to this thread. Don't forget to
restart your computer if you are installing this version before
reporting bugs. Also, this is effectively an alpha version, which means
that it will likely play a two-tone error sound whenever there's an
exception - it doesn't necessarily mean there's a problem with fast
browse mode.

For more information, here is NVDA bug (one of dozens, but this seems to
be the main one):
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2039
Pull request:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Best regards
Tony




Re: All windows are full screen

Sylvain Machefert
 

Hi !
I disabled this option, and now my experience is better :)
For French users,
1. NVDA menu
2. Préférences (sous menu)
3. Paramètres du module d'extension des commandes de base de NVDA (sous menu)
this translation is just "what the fuck" !
4. Options
5. Agrandir automatiquement les fenêtres.

Thanks everybody, hope this will help

--
Sylvain Machefert


Le dim. 20 janv. 2019 à 17:05, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> a écrit :
On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 05:46 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
Except those of us who did not learn French.
Well, there is Google Translate, which I used.

Not everything is written by English speakers nor has those who speak English as the target demographic (though, based on a later clarification by Kenny, it does appear that an effort has been made for English speakers with this add-on).

It would be nice were a lot of the non-reviewed add-ons that have been developed by many be submitted for review, but I can also understand why many do not wish to expend the time and effort to get the "official blessing" for tools they developed, most likely for personal use, that they've made available to others who want to use them.  This really is a choice for anyone who puts together an add-on to make.  Using an "unofficial" add-on always is AYOR (At Your Own Risk).

What I'd love to see is for NVDA to have a centralized area for "unofficial and non-reviewed" add-ons to be centrally housed.  People are able to understand that there is a difference between add-ons that have undergone the official review process and are "officially blessed" and those that are not.  Many will still wish to use "those that are not," and right now those are very hard to find and exist "all over the place."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Live streaming app

 

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----- Original Message -----
From: "George McCoy" <slr1bpz@charter.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 10:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Live streaming app


I am looking for a live streaming app that works with NVDA, allows use of separate camera and microphone and can be used on facebook live.


Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.


TIA,

George

On 1/21/2019 9:12 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I could not get on with the new version of docs and drive either.
Indeed since I don't need it I gave up.
Somebody here may well be a whizz kiid on this, but on Windows 7 I got nowhere with the shark or nvda, other than locking up the pc at regular intervals.
This is why I have reservations about these kind of cloud based systems to edit documents. In theory its great... but Google seem unable to leave stuff alone for more than a month or so.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 10:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] Urgent Help With Accessing Google Drive and Docs


Dear all,

I will now be required, for certain essential activities, be required
to extensively use Google Docs and in extension Google Drive for the
next several months to collaborate on documents. Given this, it is
imperative that I get well acquainted to Drive and Docs. However, that
is precisely what I am struggling with.

* I began reading AFB's NVDA specific tutorials on Google Drive and
Docs, but my experience with Drive is not exactly corresponding to
what has been instructed.
* This includes things like NVDA being very latent in the tree view
item on Google Drive, at random instances simply getting stuck in a
control which has nothing in it until I Tab out of it, all of which is
preventing me from even managing to go inside a folder and view its
files, let alone open a document and edit it.
* Due to these issues, I am currently relying on direct URLs to files
and documents to access them and subsequently work on and contribute
to them. Another alternative approach I have tried to adopt is to add
this particular shared folder to my own Drive, such that I can access
it on Windows Explorer on my PC itself. In this scenario, there are a
number of important files that are missing from the folder on my
computer which I have had confirmed with my collaborators. Backup and
Sync from Google on my computer contradictorily claims that everything
has been updated.

I am unclear on how to resolve NVDA's laggy behaviour on Google Drive
on the web or instead be able to get all the files in the shared
folder as they are newly created and updated on my computer. I would
greatly appreciate any ideas or suggestions on a more elegant means of
using Google Drive and Docs. Things I intend to try for now are
confined to switching from Firefox to Chrome in hopes that an
alternate web browser may provide better support for NVDA with
Google's web apps.

Thanks.

P.S. I did press Ctrl+Alt+Z to enable screen reader support in Docs,
and switched views in Drive from grid to list.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

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Live streaming app

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

I am looking for a live streaming app that works with NVDA, allows use of separate camera and microphone and can be used on facebook live.


Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.


TIA,

George

On 1/21/2019 9:12 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I could not get on with the new version of docs and drive either.
Indeed since I don't need it I gave up.
Somebody here may well be a whizz kiid on this, but on Windows 7 I got nowhere with the shark or nvda, other than  locking up the pc at regular intervals.
This is why I have reservations about these kind of cloud based systems to edit documents. In theory its great... but Google seem unable to leave stuff alone for more than a month or so.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Bhavya shah" <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
To: "nvda" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 10:29 AM
Subject: [nvda] Urgent Help With Accessing Google Drive and Docs


Dear all,

I will now be required, for certain essential activities, be required
to extensively use Google Docs and in extension Google Drive for the
next several months to collaborate on documents. Given this, it is
imperative that I get well acquainted to Drive and Docs. However, that
is precisely what I am struggling with.

* I began reading AFB's NVDA specific tutorials on Google Drive and
Docs, but my experience with Drive is not exactly corresponding to
what has been instructed.
* This includes things like NVDA being very latent in the tree view
item on Google Drive, at random instances simply getting stuck in a
control which has nothing in it until I Tab out of it, all of which is
preventing me from even managing to go inside a folder and view its
files, let alone open a document and edit it.
* Due to these issues, I am currently relying on direct URLs to files
and documents to access them and subsequently work on and contribute
to them. Another alternative approach I have tried to adopt is to add
this particular shared folder to my own Drive, such that I can access
it on Windows Explorer on my PC itself. In this scenario, there are a
number of important files that are missing from the folder on my
computer which I have had confirmed with my collaborators. Backup and
Sync from Google on my computer contradictorily claims that everything
has been updated.

I am unclear on how to resolve NVDA's laggy behaviour on Google Drive
on the web or instead be able to get all the files in the shared
folder as they are newly created and updated on my computer. I would
greatly appreciate any ideas or suggestions on a more elegant means of
using Google Drive and Docs. Things I intend to try for now are
confined to switching from Firefox to Chrome in hopes that an
alternate web browser may provide better support for NVDA with
Google's web apps.

Thanks.

P.S. I did press Ctrl+Alt+Z to enable screen reader support in Docs,
and switched views in Drive from grid to list.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
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Re: Urgent Help With Accessing Google Drive and Docs

 

hi.
i tested google drive web interface ocr one time and even i could not
find brows button to attach my pdf file for ocr!
not sure whats the reason.
as you know, i use windows xp with firefox 52esr.

On 1/21/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
Right. I'm also a member of that group. I will do the same.

Take care

On 21 Jan 2019, at 11:00, mohammad suliman wrote:

Hi bhavya,
I my self haven't used docs extensively, so can't comment on your
findings.
However, my suggestion to you is to post this on accessible, the
official
google group from google for discussing the accessibility of the
different
google products I think, and see whether you will get an answer which
helps, at-least hopefully your experience will reach the rite people
at
google. You can find more about this group in the link:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?nomobile=true#!forum/accessible

Hope you the best

On Mon, 21 Jan 2019 at 12:29 Bhavya shah <bhavya.shah125@gmail.com>
wrote:

Dear all,

I will now be required, for certain essential activities, be required
to extensively use Google Docs and in extension Google Drive for the
next several months to collaborate on documents. Given this, it is
imperative that I get well acquainted to Drive and Docs. However,
that
is precisely what I am struggling with.

* I began reading AFB's NVDA specific tutorials on Google Drive and
Docs, but my experience with Drive is not exactly corresponding to
what has been instructed.
* This includes things like NVDA being very latent in the tree view
item on Google Drive, at random instances simply getting stuck in a
control which has nothing in it until I Tab out of it, all of which
is
preventing me from even managing to go inside a folder and view its
files, let alone open a document and edit it.
* Due to these issues, I am currently relying on direct URLs to files
and documents to access them and subsequently work on and contribute
to them. Another alternative approach I have tried to adopt is to add
this particular shared folder to my own Drive, such that I can access
it on Windows Explorer on my PC itself. In this scenario, there are a
number of important files that are missing from the folder on my
computer which I have had confirmed with my collaborators. Backup and
Sync from Google on my computer contradictorily claims that
everything
has been updated.

I am unclear on how to resolve NVDA's laggy behaviour on Google Drive
on the web or instead be able to get all the files in the shared
folder as they are newly created and updated on my computer. I would
greatly appreciate any ideas or suggestions on a more elegant means
of
using Google Drive and Docs. Things I intend to try for now are
confined to switching from Firefox to Chrome in hopes that an
alternate web browser may provide better support for NVDA with
Google's web apps.

Thanks.

P.S. I did press Ctrl+Alt+Z to enable screen reader support in Docs,
and switched views in Drive from grid to list.

--
Best Regards
Bhavya Shah

Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons:
https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/

Contacting Me
E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@gmail.com
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/
Twitter: @BhavyaShah125
Skype: bhavya.09







--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: reading from cursor to end of document issues

 

hi.
if you use desktop layout and SayAll still does not work for you, just
find screen saver on control panel or by search find it and set it to
none.
i am sure that you can use SayAll in all commen and accessible
programs like web browsers, notepad, wordpad, notepad plus plus and
microsoft word.
but unfortunately SayAll is not supported in openoffice or libreoffice
if you use them.

On 1/21/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@gmail.com> wrote:
From the NVDA keyboard shortcuts document

Say all
Desktop Layout   NVDA+Down Arrow
Laptop Layout     NVDA+a
Description:  Starts reading from the current position of the system caret,
moving it along as it goes
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Fast forward / rewind in iTunes

Quentin Christensen
 

I've had an enquiry from someone using Windows 10 64-bit, who advised that using control+alt+left and right arrows to rewind or fast forward tracks is not working like it should.

Has anyone else experienced this, or have any ideas of what could be happening?  I'm not sure what version of iTunes they are using, but would I be right in encouraging them to be sure they are on the latest version?

Quentin.

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Re: Special simvle

 

On a US English keyboard, the left and right square brackets are immediately to the right of the letter P.  

Though I realize the original poster is not likely to be using a US English keyboard, remember that you can install additional languages in Settings, Time & Language, Language Pane.   After you have more than one language on your Windows 10 installation it will support that language's keyboard "virtually" with whatever keyboard you may have on your system.   I know someone who's a translator who routinely switches between keyboard languages on their computer.  A new entry will show up in the system tray, which you can get to with WinKey+B and right arrowing over to hear the keyboard currently in use or change it.  You can also use WinKey+Space to cycle through the various language keyboards for the languages you have installed.

I mention the above because while using Character map for the odd character now and again, and I do for the degree symbol, if you're trying to use a collection of symbols common on one language's keyboard or are typing something in that language switching your keyboard layout virtually can come in really handy.
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Re: NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

Cristóbal
 

Alas. Again, not that I’m looking for a Jaws clone, but I find it odd that if this isn’t something that’s more laid out from within NVDA itself that someone hasn’t come up with some sort of add-on to provide this sort of functionality since NVDA does seem to not have that many keyboard commands that occupy many of these types of keystrokes.

I know links to some add-ons were provided, but even then, those keystrokes required using the arrow keys.

Being able to keep both hands (especially the right one) on the alphanumeric keyboard as much as possible really does help.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 2:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

Well, I don't know if you can go back.
That's an interesting point, though. Wondering whether when we choose to get back NVDA to default settings, that also would affect hotkeys that we've changed.


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Em 21/01/2019 20:23, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

Not reassign. I'd rather add the keystrokes as alternatives, but I guess reassign would be a better word for now, as long as you can go back to default in case you mess up.

On 21 Jan 2019, at 14:02, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

I guess you can do it through the input settings, guess that's the name of it.
Anyway, it's something having to do with lots of functions in a list where you can reassign its hotkeys.


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Em 21/01/2019 19:46, Sarah k Alawami escreveu:

I wonder if you can remap laptop keystrokes? If you can you could probably add nvda u i and o for next, current and prev line, and then j k and l for words and n m and cama for characters.

On 21 Jan 2019, at 13:21, Cristóbal wrote:

Indeed, it’s mainly a right  handed thing. Left hand doesn’t go anywhere.

Different strokes for different folks. Some may find one way to be more or less efficient. I’m not going to say that having to use the numpad or arrow keys is bad. I just find it that the less I have to move my right hand around the keyboard throughout the day, the less disruptive I find it to be.

Seeing as how NVDA doesn’t really have all that many alphanumeric keyboard commands, I find it odd that there really isn’t much beyond capslock+L so you can keep both hands on the keyboard. Anyway, and so it goes…

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

In my case I never move my left hand when using capslock. But my fingers are very very long so I can do that.

Take care

On 21 Jan 2019, at 12:45, Gene wrote:

I think its because you are used to that method.  I very much doubt that for a regular numpad user, there is any loss of efficiency.  And if you use caps lock, you are still moving your left hand away from the home keys.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 12:06 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

With Jaws, I always enable the laptop keyboard layout, be it for my desktops or laptops. Indeed, I do use the numpad and arrow keys for commands, but having the ability to use the same navigational commands on the main keyboard itself as well proves to be a huge efficiency booster and time saver.

I.E. commands such as capslock+N, comma or period for previous character, current character, next character. Capslock+ J, K or L for previous word, current word and next word. Capslock+ U, I or O for previous line, current line and next line. Same for paragraph and sentence, etc.

Again, it’s not that switching back and forth between the main keyboard to either the arrow keys or numpad is especially burdensome, but depending on what you may be doing multiplied by hundreds of times in a day, thee navigational commands via the laptop keyboard layout just feels like a more efficient process of getting things done.

The only command I came across for anything similar with NVDA is the capslock+L command for say current line. It doesn’t seem like there are too many NVDA keystroke commands that make use of the capslock+ the letters on the keyboard. Thus my query if I was in fact missing something and there were in fact keystroke commands beyond this one command or an add-on that expanded on this capability.

So yes, I am well aware of all the various numpad navigational commands as well as using the four arrow keys, but my question was on whether these same commands could also be replicated via the main keyboard. Just use the numpad or arrow keys really doesn’t address my question. If there is in fact not a current means of doing this either through a built in function in NVDA itself or through an add-on, then that would also be good to know.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 10:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

Are you saying you want to use movement commands where you use keyboard commands for movement in JAWS that duplicate the numpad movement commands in desktop layout?  NVDA doesn't have such commands.  The numpad isn't used for that purpose in the desktop layout and such commands aren't duplicated on the laptop.  If that is what you are saying, I think that if you got used to it and gave it time, you would find movement with the keyboard commands such as control plus arrow keys to be as efficient.  Its muscle memory, as you said.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 9:46 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

I’ve been using Jaws going on 18 years now.

I am aware of the various Jaws screen reader and windows numpad keystroke commands.

My query was on commands for navigating via the keyboard in a laptop mode. As I mentioned going back and forth between the keyboard and the numpad/arrow keys for me at least takes away from the efficiency as opposed to with Jaws where you can do navigate by character, word, line or paragraph without ever having to take your hands away from the main keyboard itself. It’s not that going back and forth between the main keyboard and numpad or arrow keys is that big a deal, but do it hundreds of times throughout the day and in the aggregate  can quickly become noticeable and tedious.

Thus my question on whether there were NVDA commands and or an add-on beyond the capslock+L for read current line that also allowed for further navigation without having to use the numpad and even the arrow keys.

 

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 4:45 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

I should say, on seeing further discussion, that I'm not sure what you mean by jump by word.  As has been said, control down arrow moves down by paragraph and you can use all the standard movement commands.  They are not screen-reader commands.  If someone only taught you the numpad command movement commands in JAWS or the laptop alternative numpad movement commands, that's negligence.  In any screen-reader, or even if you weren't using one, you can use all these commands.  Right arrow, move one character right.  Left arrow, move one character left.  Up arrow, move up one line.  Down arrow, move down one line.  Down by paragraph, control down arrow. 

Up by paragraph, control up arrow.

 

I'm not sure if those are the kinds of commands you want to know but I suspect you were only taught the JAWS numpad or the JAWS laptop movement commands and not the Windows commands and that is incompetent teaching beyond belief, if that is what was done.

 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

I don't use the laptop layout in NVDA.  I wouldn't even if I had a laptop without a numpad.  I much prefer the desktop layout.  I haven't looked at the laptop commands much but they don't seem consistent to me in terms of following patterns nearly as much as the desktop layout does.  If you are looking at commands using something like the commands reference and you are using the laptop commands, those are the ones to use.  If you want to get a USB numpad and use the desktop layout, I don't know if you would like the structure more but I prefer it a great deal more.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2019 5:19 PM

Subject: [nvda] NVDA keyboard navigation keyboard commands

 

Hello list,

So I am mainly a Jaws user, but have been trying to make the effort to use NVDA more or at least become more proficient with it. The one issue I continue to have with NVDA and just can’t get used to is the keyboard navigation. I know it in part has to do with simple muscle memory with Jaws commands, but outside of the NVDA key (caps lock) plus L command to read the current line, I just cannot get used to not being able to jump around via paragraph or line or word, etc., like in Jaws laptop keyboard layout. Am I just missing something and am not aware of other keyboard navigational keystroke commands in NVDA or is there perhaps an add-on I can install?

Yes, I know there are all the numpad commands, but with Jaws at least, being able to keep one’s hands on the keyboard instead of having to switch back and forth adds up and makes a difference and comfort. And to be clear, I’m not looking for a Jaws clone and am aware that they’re two different products. I’m completely open to this different approach, but this navigational thing is for me anyway proving to be the one major stumbling bock to try to use it more.

I would appreciate any enlightenment.

Thanks,

Cristóbal

 

 

 


Re: Special simvle

Quentin Christensen
 

If you want a symbol rather than an emoji, you can use Windows' charmap - press the windows key, type the word "charmap" and press ENTER.

You can use this dialog to find different characters.  The default simple view lets you pick a font, then arrow around it and find characters.  If you check the "advanced" checkbox, you can search for characters - for instance I searched in Arial for "bracket" and found just the square and curly brackets.  When it reads each character in the list, it reads something like: "U+005D: Right Square Bracket".  If you know te appropriate ASCII code, you can also type that in many places, by pressing alt and then a numerical sequence.  For some reason, that code is in hexadecimal (base 16) but you type the code in base 10 (alt+093 will give you a right square bracket).  Note that in order to type those codes, you need to use the number pad (with numlock on), not the number row.


Regards
Quentin.

On Tue, Jan 22, 2019 at 6:08 AM farhan israk <fahim.net.2014@...> wrote:

Thank you. I want to write square bracket which isn't available in keyboard.


On Mon, 21 Jan 2019, 2:28 pm Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io wrote:
Can you be a bit more specific on what you are trying to achieve in nvda?
 Are you wanting to allow nvda to read a special symbol or are you perhaps
asking on how to create a particular symbol in a document, this is a windows
query and may be more applicable on a windows list.
 Often this sort of thing depends on the language windows is set on and the
language the installed version  has loaded.
 Brian

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From: "farhan israk" <fahim.net.2014@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, January 21, 2019 7:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] Special simvle


> How to insert special simble including [] in Windows 10 desktop computer?
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Fast browse mode - request to test

Tony Malykh
 

Hello all,
I would like to ask volunteers of NVDA community to test fast browse mode in NVDA. Here is a link to alpha version with fast browse mode enabled:
https://github.com/mltony/nvda/releases/download/FastNVDA_alpha_2019_01_21/nvda_snapshot_source-fast_nvda-7c9d81a.exe

A little  background. NVDA has systematic problems with browse mode, such as:
* Rubber band effect - sometimes right after keystroke focus jumps back to the previous position in the document.
* Edit boxes and other form controls inside web pages sporadically entering forms mode, especially if pressing keystrokes quickly one after another.
* General sluggishness.
Fast browse mode aims to resolve all three of these issues. You can toggle between fast and traditional browse mode by pressing NVDA+8 (not numpad 8, but number row 8). Fast browse mode is enabled by default in this build. Traditional mode is the same as what you get in all official NVDA builds.

Three  questions I have for the testers:
1. Do you feel that fast browse mode is indeed faster than traditional browse mode? If so, in which websites/scenarios you see the most significant improvement?
2. If you have experienced any of the three browse mode problems mentioned above, can you still reproduce them with fast browse mode?
3. Are there any bugs with fast browse mode? If so, please provide as much information about these bugs as possible, such as: Steps to reproduce, Actual behavior, Expected behavior, System configuration, Windows version, Browser version, Website name, errors in NVDA output log if any.

Please send your feedback as a reply to this thread. Don't forget to restart your computer if you are installing this version before reporting bugs. Also, this is effectively an alpha version, which means that it will likely play a two-tone error sound whenever there's an exception - it doesn't necessarily mean there's a problem with fast browse mode.

For more information, here is NVDA bug (one of dozens, but this seems to be the main one):
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/2039
Pull request:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/pull/9114

Best regards
Tony