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Re: 2016.2.1

Gene
 

There is no way to know who you are asking.  You don't identify the message in any way, you don't quote any of the message and since there are two Genes, we have no idea who you are asking about since you don't name the person. 
 
Also, It may have been on another list but you asked someone who uses a certain synthesizer.  Please just ask the question.  Others may be interested in the question and answer. 
 
Gene

Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2016.2.1

Just curious, are you the same Gene that is the list moderator.



Re: Facebook messenger

Robert Mendoza
 

Yes, windows 10 for desktop and mobile has built-in apps. However, for the keyboard accessibility is pretty not accessible for now and Microsoft team still developing it though, some apps is doable but not at all and some are commendable to use with for testing several screen readers. I believe that we have separate team for the insider build version for window 10 and still collaboration team effort make in progress.


Robert Mendoza

On 6/14/2016 8:06 AM, Antony Stone wrote:
Hm, am I missing something about "app stores" these days?

I thought they were only for mobile devices (Android, iOS, Win Mobile).

Does Windows 10 have an App Store of its own now?


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 02:03:08, Mark Brett wrote:

Shame.

What apps have you found to work well in the store?

Thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: 14 June 2016 00:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Hi,
FB Messenger is no go (no keyboard accessibility).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark
Brett
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Hi Windows 10.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: 14 June 2016 00:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Which operating system are you trying to (or do you want to) install this
app on?

If it's not Windows, it won't work with NVDA.

If it's Windows Mobile, it won't work with NVDA.

Hope that helps,


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 01:20:04, Mark Brett wrote:
Hi, does the face book messenger app from the app store work with NVDA?


Re: Vocalizer expressive from Tiflotecnia,

Chris Shook <cshook0309@...>
 

Hi,
I was using a version of Vocalizer and it sounded like it said ache.


On Monday, June 13, 2016 7:04 PM, Laughingthunder <laughingthunder26@...> wrote:


Hi,

I don't believe it's possible to get a free trial of that version of Vocalizer, but if you know what Vocalizer sounds' like, it shouldn't be necessary, since Vocalizer is Vocalizer, regardless of where it was purchased. With regard to your pronunciation question, it's hard to know what to say for sure. I did test the voice as requested, but didn't hear anything strange, as far as I could tell. To me, the letter "h" sounded just fine by itself. Is there anything in particular you were looking for?

Hope that helps.

On 6/13/2016 4:35 PM, Chris Shook via Groups.io wrote:
I have two questions.
1. Is it possible to get a free trial for that version of Vocalizer expressive?
2. When using the british voice Daniel, what does it say when you type the letter h. Make sure to type it lower case.
Thanks
Chris


On Monday, June 13, 2016 5:05 PM, Laughingthunder <laughingthunder26@...> wrote:


Hi,

I have the version of Vocalizer you mention. What is your question?


On 6/13/2016 2:42 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
> Hi,
> Could someone with Vocalizer expressive for NVDA from Tiflotecnia,
> please contact me I have a question.
>
>
>










Re: Facebook messenger

Antony Stone
 

Hm, am I missing something about "app stores" these days?

I thought they were only for mobile devices (Android, iOS, Win Mobile).

Does Windows 10 have an App Store of its own now?


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 02:03:08, Mark Brett wrote:

Shame.

What apps have you found to work well in the store?

Thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: 14 June 2016 00:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Hi,
FB Messenger is no go (no keyboard accessibility).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark
Brett
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Hi Windows 10.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: 14 June 2016 00:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Which operating system are you trying to (or do you want to) install this
app on?

If it's not Windows, it won't work with NVDA.

If it's Windows Mobile, it won't work with NVDA.

Hope that helps,


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 01:20:04, Mark Brett wrote:
Hi, does the face book messenger app from the app store work with NVDA?
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Re: Facebook messenger

Mark Brett
 

Shame.

What apps have you found to work well in the store?

Thanks

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Joseph
Lee
Sent: 14 June 2016 00:59
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Hi,
FB Messenger is no go (no keyboard accessibility).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark
Brett
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Hi Windows 10.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: 14 June 2016 00:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Which operating system are you trying to (or do you want to) install this
app on?

If it's not Windows, it won't work with NVDA.

If it's Windows Mobile, it won't work with NVDA.

Hope that helps,


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 01:20:04, Mark Brett wrote:

Hi, does the face book messenger app from the app store work with NVDA?
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Re: Facebook messenger

 

Hi,
FB Messenger is no go (no keyboard accessibility).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mark
Brett
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 4:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Hi Windows 10.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: 14 June 2016 00:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Which operating system are you trying to (or do you want to) install this
app on?

If it's not Windows, it won't work with NVDA.

If it's Windows Mobile, it won't work with NVDA.

Hope that helps,


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 01:20:04, Mark Brett wrote:

Hi, does the face book messenger app from the app store work with NVDA?
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Re: Facebook messenger

Mark Brett
 

Hi Windows 10.

Mark

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Antony
Stone
Sent: 14 June 2016 00:39
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook messenger

Which operating system are you trying to (or do you want to) install this
app on?

If it's not Windows, it won't work with NVDA.

If it's Windows Mobile, it won't work with NVDA.

Hope that helps,


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 01:20:04, Mark Brett wrote:

Hi, does the face book messenger app from the app store work with NVDA?
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Re: Facebook messenger

Antony Stone
 

Which operating system are you trying to (or do you want to) install this app
on?

If it's not Windows, it won't work with NVDA.

If it's Windows Mobile, it won't work with NVDA.

Hope that helps,


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 01:20:04, Mark Brett wrote:

Hi, does the face book messenger app from the app store work with NVDA?
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Facebook messenger

Mark Brett
 

Hi, does the face book messenger app from the app store work with NVDA?

 

Many thanks

 

Mark


Re: Vocalizer expressive from Tiflotecnia,

Laughing Thunder
 

Hi,


I don't believe it's possible to get a free trial of that version of Vocalizer, but if you know what Vocalizer sounds' like, it shouldn't be necessary, since Vocalizer is Vocalizer, regardless of where it was purchased. With regard to your pronunciation question, it's hard to know what to say for sure. I did test the voice as requested, but didn't hear anything strange, as far as I could tell. To me, the letter "h" sounded just fine by itself. Is there anything in particular you were looking for?


Hope that helps.


On 6/13/2016 4:35 PM, Chris Shook via Groups.io wrote:
I have two questions.
1. Is it possible to get a free trial for that version of Vocalizer expressive?
2. When using the british voice Daniel, what does it say when you type the letter h. Make sure to type it lower case.
Thanks
Chris


On Monday, June 13, 2016 5:05 PM, Laughingthunder <laughingthunder26@...> wrote:


Hi,

I have the version of Vocalizer you mention. What is your question?


On 6/13/2016 2:42 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
> Hi,
> Could someone with Vocalizer expressive for NVDA from Tiflotecnia,
> please contact me I have a question.
>
>
>








Re: 2016.2.1

Quentin Christensen
 

It's an interesting idea.

Without talking to anyone else, the first thing that comes to mind, whether or not this is ever implemented, is please do let us know if there is a big problem with any release / program, to ensure we can fix it for the next release (or an interim release as we did with 2016.2.1).

Regards

Quentin.


On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi I’ve done that with Jaws. I’ve had one old version and one new. I just keep 2 copies of it. With NVDA I just install over the original copy. If I had 3 copies of the same screan reader. I get rid of the oldest version! 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June-13-16 12:33 PM


To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2016.2.1

 

I don't know but the number that do isn't relevant.  People should be easily able to revert if the upgrade has a problem.  Also, in the case of JAWS, you can have as many copies on your machine as you want.  In other words, you can have as many previous versions as you wish.  I don't think you can if you upgrade automatically but if that's correct, then that's a good reason not to use the automatic upgrader.  It has long been standard advice that if you do a full version upgrade of JAWS, that you keep the old version on your machine until you have used the new one enough to evaluate it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 11:35 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] 2016.2.1

 

How many other applications which offer automated upgrades allow you to revert
to the previous version afterwards?  I cannot think of a single one.

Antony.

On Monday 13 June 2016 at 18:32:45, Gene wrote:

> I didin't say you couldn't get the previous version.  But most people
> probably won't.  If you just use the automatic upgrader, you won't have
> it. My point is that if NVDA is going to have an upgrader, it should gbe
> part of the upgrade to save the current exe file or to offer to save it.
>
> Gene

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Re: 2016.2.1

Arlene
 

Hi I’ve done that with Jaws. I’ve had one old version and one new. I just keep 2 copies of it. With NVDA I just install over the original copy. If I had 3 copies of the same screan reader. I get rid of the oldest version! 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: June-13-16 12:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] 2016.2.1

 

I don't know but the number that do isn't relevant.  People should be easily able to revert if the upgrade has a problem.  Also, in the case of JAWS, you can have as many copies on your machine as you want.  In other words, you can have as many previous versions as you wish.  I don't think you can if you upgrade automatically but if that's correct, then that's a good reason not to use the automatic upgrader.  It has long been standard advice that if you do a full version upgrade of JAWS, that you keep the old version on your machine until you have used the new one enough to evaluate it.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Monday, June 13, 2016 11:35 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] 2016.2.1

 

How many other applications which offer automated upgrades allow you to revert
to the previous version afterwards?  I cannot think of a single one.

Antony.

On Monday 13 June 2016 at 18:32:45, Gene wrote:

> I didin't say you couldn't get the previous version.  But most people
> probably won't.  If you just use the automatic upgrader, you won't have
> it. My point is that if NVDA is going to have an upgrader, it should gbe
> part of the upgrade to save the current exe file or to offer to save it.
>
> Gene

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Re: Facebook with NVDA

Arlene
 

Oh okay. I use both in facebook. Not at once. I’ve used them both but one at a time.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of mk360
Sent: June-13-16 12:19 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook with NVDA

 

These are commands from Facebook, so you can use these with any screen reader, but you need to pas the key to the application, in NVDA with NVDA shift spacebar, in JAWS with JAWS z.

Regards,

mk.

 

On Mon, Jun 13, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Arlene <nedster66@...> wrote:

Hi, are these key commands just for NVDA? Or can you use these short cut keys with other screen readers?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of babcockldpvi@...
Sent: June-13-16 2:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Facebook with NVDA

 

Hello:


The Facebook page has keyboard shortcuts built in so that screen reader users can access it. All you need to do is press the NVDA key and the spacebar to make sure that NVDA is in the correct mode- I think that you need focus mode. As you press the NVDA key and the spacebar, it will play a sound as it toggles between browse mode and focus mode. The sound effect that you want to listen out for is of a key on a keyboard being pressed.


Once you are in the focus mode, you can access these built in keyboard shortcuts. These shortcuts vary slightly depending on which operating system that you are using (Windows or Mac) and which browser you are using- Chrome, Firefox or Safari.

I tend to use Firefox on my Windows 10 PC and so I need to press the Shift and the Alt keys together but if you are using Chrome, you just use the Alt key.

Each of the main sections on Facebook can be accessed by pressing a number. For instance pressing 1 will take you to your newsfeed and pressing 4 will take you to your inbox.

These numbers need to be pressed with either the shift and alt key or just the alt key depending on your operating system and your browser.

Below I have listed the shortcuts needed to access the main sections within Facebook.

Shift + Alt + 0 takes you to the Help page.


Shift + Alt +1 takes you to your Home page.


Shift + Alt + 2 takes you to your Timeline page.


Shift + Alt + 3 takes you to your Friends page.


Shift + Alt + 4 takes you to your Inbox


Shift + Alt + 5 takes you to your Notifications


Shift + Alt + 6 takes you to your Settings


Shift + Alt + 7 takes you to your Activity Log


Shift + Alt + 8 takes you to the About page


Shift + Alt + 9 takes you to the Terms page.

 

Additionally, your newsfeed or timeline can also be accessed with different shortcut keys. These just require single letters to be pressed and are the same regardless of which operating system and browser you use. I have listed them below.

 

Pressing the forward slash (/) will enable you to search.


Pressing the q key will enable you to search your chat contacts.


Pressing the o key will enable you to open any attachments that are in the story.


Pressing the s key will enable you to share the story.


Pressing the l key will enable you to like a story. Pressing l again allows you to “unlike” it.


Pressing the c key will enable you to comment on a story.


Pressing the enter key on a selected story will expand it.


Pressing the k key takes you forward through each story one by one.


Pressing the j key takes you backwards through each story one by one.


Pressing the p key will enable you to create a new post or story. 

 

I hope these instructions are helpful.

 

These instructions are also contained within some videos that I have created. You can access the videos (each has a full text transcript.)

 

Using Keyboard Shortcuts to Access the Main Sections of Facebook http://babcockldpvi.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/in-this-video-i-demonstrate-how-to-use.html

 

Using Keyboard Shortcuts to Access Your Newsfeed http://babcockldpvi.blogspot.co.uk/2016/06/nvda-and-facebook-using-keyboard.html

 

 

 

 


Re: Vocalizer expressive from Tiflotecnia,

Chris Shook <cshook0309@...>
 

I have two questions.
1. Is it possible to get a free trial for that version of Vocalizer expressive?
2. When using the british voice Daniel, what does it say when you type the letter h. Make sure to type it lower case.
Thanks
Chris


On Monday, June 13, 2016 5:05 PM, Laughingthunder <laughingthunder26@...> wrote:


Hi,

I have the version of Vocalizer you mention. What is your question?


On 6/13/2016 2:42 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
> Hi,
> Could someone with Vocalizer expressive for NVDA from Tiflotecnia,
> please contact me I have a question.
>
>
>







Re: Vocalizer expressive from Tiflotecnia,

Laughing Thunder
 

Hi,

I have the version of Vocalizer you mention. What is your question?

On 6/13/2016 2:42 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
Hi,
Could someone with Vocalizer expressive for NVDA from Tiflotecnia, please contact me I have a question.


Re: 2016.2.1

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Chris


I could not see any message under neath yours to see which Gene you were
referring to and what the question was.


as far as I know there is only two Genes on this list. One is now the
admin who runs or helps keep the list in line and I am the other Gene. I
am the one from New Zealand so when I sign off a email it is Gene nz


I am also the Gene who has been putting together the following website
called Accessibility Central.net which can be found at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

The web site covers blindness related stuffas well as NVDA tutorials
that I have been putting together. Those tutorials are for a desk top
computer of which I use so no lap top commands.



Hope it helps to sort us out.


Gene nz

On 14/06/2016 7:47 AM, Chris Shook wrote:
Just curious, are you the same Gene that is the list moderator.


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Re: 2016.2.1

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi Chris


I could not see any message under neath yours to see which Gene you were
referring to and what the question was.


as far as I know there is only two Genes on this list. One is now the
admin who runs or helps keep the list in line and I am the other Gene. I
am the one from New Zealand so when I sign off a email it is Gene nz


I am also the Gene who has been putting together the following website
called Accessibility Central.net which can be found at
http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

The web site covers blindness related stuffas well as NVDA tutorials
that I have been putting together. Those tutorials are for a desk top
computer of which I use so no lap top commands.



Hope it helps to sort us out.


Gene nz

On 14/06/2016 7:47 AM, Chris Shook wrote:
Just curious, are you the same Gene that is the list moderator.


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Re: tw blue with nvda:

Scott VanDeWalle
 

hmm, i have nugget and have been starting to not like it again.
So maybe i'll give tw blue another try.

Scott
Original message:

It works very well here. In fact, since this machine was upgraded to Win 10, it works far better than Chicken Nugget.
Roger







On 6/12/2016 5:11 PM, Kenny Peyattt jr. wrote:

Hi Does TWblue still work with nvda?
Kenny Peyatt jr.


Re: 2016.2.1

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Just curious, are you the same Gene that is the list moderator.


Vocalizer expressive from Tiflotecnia,

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi,
Could someone with Vocalizer expressive for NVDA from Tiflotecnia, please contact me I have a question.