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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

 
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On Wed, January 23, 2019, 2:17 PM, Travis Siegel wrote:
I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use the program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing such nonsense. 
There are so many products that use this service model, and have for many, many years now, that this comment is nonsense.

You can use Office up through 2016 (and I think even 2019) as an installed program if you wish and there will be support for same for some years to come.

You certainly must never have been a JAWS user, either, as their model is very much "as a service" if you wish to have a version of JAWS that's keeping up with "what's happening now."

I strongly prefer installed programs that I am not paying for over time, but there's nothing wrong with selling service in that way.  Buying a high-end version of Office outright is a multi-hundred dollar proposition.  It will take quite a while to equal what you'd have paid for the installed version via "as a service" delivery model and you keep getting updates as well.
 
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Re: NVDA and ads blocker

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Brian,


How does one suspend uBlock Origin for specific sites?

I have used it for years and have not been able to do it.


Thank you,

George

On 1/22/2019 6:57 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Marcio,

         If you want a softer approach, then please just start out with uBlock Origin, which blocks ads and selectively blocks "annoying" scripts (my term, not theirs).  If you find you want something more aggressive afterward, then try NoScript.

          Both of these programs run in "install it and forget it" mode, but both are also wildly customizable if one so chooses.  I have not so chosen, except to suspend uBlock Origin on a couple of sites where I stream commercial TV content and cannot get it to work if uBlock is active.  What's funny is that adding the Privacy Badger extension brought back blocking of TV ads when streaming (or at least it did 2 days ago) which is something that used to work with both uBlock and Adblock Plus until ABC.com blocked all content if you had either activated.

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Re: Emoji in Office 365

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

And I’m using english OS and english Office on both systems…

 

From: Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 22:33
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

 

Oops, that’s not correct, sorry, at home I’m using Win10 1809 with Office 365  and at work Office 2013 with Win 10 bbuild before 1809. But it is the same since ages, not depending from what Windows 10 version.

 

From: Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 22:30
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

 

Latest Win10 1809, but it was the same as long I can remember…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 21:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

 

I can also reproduce this in Office 365.  Interesting that it's happening in Office 2013 as well, which version of Windows are you using Ralph?

 

We do have an open issue on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9120 that was opened a couple of weeks ago.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 10:24 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

This is also in Outlook 2013, just type a smiley like ": )", ": - )" or "; - )" (without the spaces)
They all will be reported as 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 10:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

Hello Quentin

Thank you for responding and for showing an interest to try and assist.

My friend provided the following steps to duplicate the problem:

Begin quote:

     Steps to reproduce


  1. Use Office 365 with latest updates and latest official NVDA release. The
     issue was present with previous Office 365 updates and NVDA versions too though.
  2. Open a blank MS Word document or new message in Outlook.
  3. Use the normal method to insert an emoji using the keyboard.


     Outcome when using NVDA


  1. Instead of producing the chosen emoji, NVDA inserts the digits "12".
  2. There is no way to ascertain if the correct emoji was inserted.
  3. When saving the document or draft, it is saved with the name 12, explained
     above.


     Outcome when using JAWS 2019


   * The emoji is correctly reported with no unexpected behaviour.


The bug has previously been reported to Joseph Lee, who blamed the
shortcoming
on Microsoft Office. This clearly is not the case, as outlined above.

End quote

Kind regards

Christo


On 2019/01/22 01:01 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Hi Christo,
>
> Can you please advise the steps to reproduce this?
>
> Which Office program?  Which emoji character?  If it's a document you have
> been sent, if you are able to forward it to info@..., I can have a
> look at the same file, otherwise, if it's one (or several) emojis, please
> advise how to select the appropriate one(s).
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:24 PM Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello NVDA developers
>>
>>
>> A friend who is not on this list asked me to report that when using NVDA
>> with Office 365 emoji are not shown; instead the number 12 appears in
>> the text. This only happens in Office 365 and not in older versions of
>> Office. He says that the opposition Shark handles emoji perfectly in
>> 365. Is this a know issue?
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>> Christo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>






 

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Re: spellcheck with NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Ann,

NVDA works with the newer style spell check pane in Word 2013 and later.  In Word 365, it works better again, but in Word 2013 and 2016 there are just a couple of things which aren't read automatically - When it moves to a new error, it doesn't report the context in 2013 or 2016.  If you can't work out the context from the error, press escape to move back to the document (at the error) and read the text around it, then press F7 to get back to spell check.  When you TAB to the suggested words, it does supply definitions but doesn't read them automatically.  In Word 365 it does read both the context of the error, and when you move to alternate words it reads the definition after each word.

Regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 7:04 AM Ann Byrne <annakb@...> wrote:
How well does NVDA work with spellcheck?  In Office 2013? in 2016????






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Re: Emoji in Office 365

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Oops, that’s not correct, sorry, at home I’m using Win10 1809 with Office 365  and at work Office 2013 with Win 10 bbuild before 1809. But it is the same since ages, not depending from what Windows 10 version.

 

From: Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...>
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 22:30
To: 'nvda@nvda.groups.io' <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: RE: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

 

Latest Win10 1809, but it was the same as long I can remember…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 21:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

 

I can also reproduce this in Office 365.  Interesting that it's happening in Office 2013 as well, which version of Windows are you using Ralph?

 

We do have an open issue on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9120 that was opened a couple of weeks ago.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 10:24 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

This is also in Outlook 2013, just type a smiley like ": )", ": - )" or "; - )" (without the spaces)
They all will be reported as 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 10:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

Hello Quentin

Thank you for responding and for showing an interest to try and assist.

My friend provided the following steps to duplicate the problem:

Begin quote:

     Steps to reproduce


  1. Use Office 365 with latest updates and latest official NVDA release. The
     issue was present with previous Office 365 updates and NVDA versions too though.
  2. Open a blank MS Word document or new message in Outlook.
  3. Use the normal method to insert an emoji using the keyboard.


     Outcome when using NVDA


  1. Instead of producing the chosen emoji, NVDA inserts the digits "12".
  2. There is no way to ascertain if the correct emoji was inserted.
  3. When saving the document or draft, it is saved with the name 12, explained
     above.


     Outcome when using JAWS 2019


   * The emoji is correctly reported with no unexpected behaviour.


The bug has previously been reported to Joseph Lee, who blamed the
shortcoming
on Microsoft Office. This clearly is not the case, as outlined above.

End quote

Kind regards

Christo


On 2019/01/22 01:01 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Hi Christo,
>
> Can you please advise the steps to reproduce this?
>
> Which Office program?  Which emoji character?  If it's a document you have
> been sent, if you are able to forward it to info@..., I can have a
> look at the same file, otherwise, if it's one (or several) emojis, please
> advise how to select the appropriate one(s).
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:24 PM Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello NVDA developers
>>
>>
>> A friend who is not on this list asked me to report that when using NVDA
>> with Office 365 emoji are not shown; instead the number 12 appears in
>> the text. This only happens in Office 365 and not in older versions of
>> Office. He says that the opposition Shark handles emoji perfectly in
>> 365. Is this a know issue?
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>> Christo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>







 

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Re: accessing a spreadsheet in "protected view"

Mary Otten
 

Thank you, Brian. You are a genius!


Mary

On 1/23/2019 11:33 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Mary,

  Have a read through:    I have hated Protected View as default since its introduction.   I never open an MS-Office document from any source that I don't trust, so it's just a PITA for me.  The sighted folks can see what's there, so they don't need to have something read it, and it's visible when Protected View is on.  If they want to manipulate it in any way, though, they've got to turn it off, too, either for that document alone or as noted above.
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Re: Emoji in Office 365

Ralf Kefferpuetz
 

Latest Win10 1809, but it was the same as long I can remember…

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 21:17
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

 

I can also reproduce this in Office 365.  Interesting that it's happening in Office 2013 as well, which version of Windows are you using Ralph?

 

We do have an open issue on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9120 that was opened a couple of weeks ago.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 10:24 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:

This is also in Outlook 2013, just type a smiley like ": )", ": - )" or "; - )" (without the spaces)
They all will be reported as 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 10:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

Hello Quentin

Thank you for responding and for showing an interest to try and assist.

My friend provided the following steps to duplicate the problem:

Begin quote:

     Steps to reproduce


  1. Use Office 365 with latest updates and latest official NVDA release. The
     issue was present with previous Office 365 updates and NVDA versions too though.
  2. Open a blank MS Word document or new message in Outlook.
  3. Use the normal method to insert an emoji using the keyboard.


     Outcome when using NVDA


  1. Instead of producing the chosen emoji, NVDA inserts the digits "12".
  2. There is no way to ascertain if the correct emoji was inserted.
  3. When saving the document or draft, it is saved with the name 12, explained
     above.


     Outcome when using JAWS 2019


   * The emoji is correctly reported with no unexpected behaviour.


The bug has previously been reported to Joseph Lee, who blamed the
shortcoming
on Microsoft Office. This clearly is not the case, as outlined above.

End quote

Kind regards

Christo


On 2019/01/22 01:01 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Hi Christo,
>
> Can you please advise the steps to reproduce this?
>
> Which Office program?  Which emoji character?  If it's a document you have
> been sent, if you are able to forward it to info@..., I can have a
> look at the same file, otherwise, if it's one (or several) emojis, please
> advise how to select the appropriate one(s).
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:24 PM Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello NVDA developers
>>
>>
>> A friend who is not on this list asked me to report that when using NVDA
>> with Office 365 emoji are not shown; instead the number 12 appears in
>> the text. This only happens in Office 365 and not in older versions of
>> Office. He says that the opposition Shark handles emoji perfectly in
>> 365. Is this a know issue?
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>> Christo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>








 

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Re: excel is stop when edited comment finish

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi there,

It looks like Microsoft have taken what used to be comments, and renamed them to "notes", and added a new feature called "comments".  The difference appears to be that any cell can have one "note", but may have multiple "comments" and you can reply to other users' comments (similar to the way comments can be replied to in Word).

I have just created a couple of issues for this on our tracker:

Issue 9193 covers the naming, but also lists the steps to add each type of note / comment: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9193

Issue 9194 covers the freeze you are experiencing: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9194

Issue 9195 covers NVDA not reporting what are now called comments: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9195

At this stage, I would recommend adding "notes" with SHIFT+F2, not the context menu, and NVDA will report them, but call them comments.  Press NVDA+alt+c to read the comment when NVDA reports "Has comment".

Regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 3:58 AM 特種兵 <afreettears@...> wrote:
hi groups

   I use microsoft office 2016 and NVDA 2018.4.1
   excel is always stop when I edited comment finish everytime.
   I inserted comment then pressed esc to return excel sheet
   but I use arrow key can not move cursor and NVDA has no response
anything until I pressed control plus s saved this file and alt plus F4
quit it
   then pressed enter key open this file and I see all things
   so anyone give me some advice if you know whats happen
   am I use edit finished method is error?
   thanks



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Re: Streaming software

George McCoy <slr1bpz@...>
 

Thank you sarah,


I tried object navigation but it didn't work at first.  After I saw your email, I tried again.  when I tabbed out of the scenes window, I was then able to navigate to the rest of the items on the main screen.


I used the autoconfiguration feature to adjust the stream parameters to my bandwidth.  The audio sounds great and I am told the video is excellent as well.


Thanks again,

George


On 1/22/2019 3:55 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Use object nav and add yoru sources there. I use obs on a daily basis for my xbox. I did a marathon stream with obs 2 weeks ago. It's grate.

Take care

On 22 Jan 2019, at 12:36, George McCoy wrote:

Appologies if this appears twice.


I am looking with live streaming software that works reasonably well with NVDA.  I want to use it to send a stream to facebook live.  I tried OBS Studio.  It's mostly accessable, but I can't get to the sources dialog to enable a camera for video and my Behringer mixer for audio.


Any and all suggestions are greatly appreciated.


Tia,

George



Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Gene
 

As far as I know, you can purchase Office 365 under another name.  So you aren't being deprived of something you can buy. 
 
people rent homes and apartments, people rent cars, people subscribe to services like Spotify.  Try not making payments to any of those you rent from or whom you have pay monthly for continued service agreements.  You may not like this new model, but there is nothing underhanded or dishonest about it.  But it does mean that some companies make more money over time than if you purchased whatever it is.  But calling such conditions criminal is absurd.  and in the case of Office 365, you can save your files outside of the program.  So you don't have to lose anything. 
 
Gene.

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'll *never* use office 365.  I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use the program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing such nonsense.  I know you can still access your documents you already created if you don't pay, but creating new content is off the table at that point, and to me, that's just criminal.  Charge me for updates, that's fine, because then I can choose not to upgrade, but charge for basic use of the program, and hold capabilities back if I don't pay? How's that any different than some of those hackers who hold your files for ransom?

No thanks, no office 365 for me *ever*.

On 1/23/2019 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have not touched Office 365, but certain things are very, very, very unlikely to change, ever.

ALT+F, S still does a save as it always has for an existing file that's been saved.

Alt+F,A still does a Save As, though if you want to go straight to the browse dialog add an O after that A, as that forces it to go directly to the browse dialog (and the same is true for the straight save the first time you're saving a file).

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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I know I'm in the minority here, but I'll *never* use office 365.  I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use the program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing such nonsense.  I know you can still access your documents you already created if you don't pay, but creating new content is off the table at that point, and to me, that's just criminal.  Charge me for updates, that's fine, because then I can choose not to upgrade, but charge for basic use of the program, and hold capabilities back if I don't pay? How's that any different than some of those hackers who hold your files for ransom?

No thanks, no office 365 for me *ever*.

On 1/23/2019 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
I have not touched Office 365, but certain things are very, very, very unlikely to change, ever.

ALT+F, S still does a save as it always has for an existing file that's been saved.

Alt+F,A still does a Save As, though if you want to go straight to the browse dialog add an O after that A, as that forces it to go directly to the browse dialog (and the same is true for the straight save the first time you're saving a file).

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Re: Emoji in Office 365

Quentin Christensen
 

I can also reproduce this in Office 365.  Interesting that it's happening in Office 2013 as well, which version of Windows are you using Ralph?

We do have an open issue on this: https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/issues/9120 that was opened a couple of weeks ago.

Quentin.


On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 10:24 PM Ralf Kefferpuetz <ralf.kefferpuetz@...> wrote:
This is also in Outlook 2013, just type a smiley like ": )", ": - )" or "; - )" (without the spaces)
They all will be reported as 12.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: Mittwoch, 23. Januar 2019 10:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Emoji in Office 365

Hello Quentin

Thank you for responding and for showing an interest to try and assist.

My friend provided the following steps to duplicate the problem:

Begin quote:

     Steps to reproduce


  1. Use Office 365 with latest updates and latest official NVDA release. The
     issue was present with previous Office 365 updates and NVDA versions too though.
  2. Open a blank MS Word document or new message in Outlook.
  3. Use the normal method to insert an emoji using the keyboard.


     Outcome when using NVDA


  1. Instead of producing the chosen emoji, NVDA inserts the digits "12".
  2. There is no way to ascertain if the correct emoji was inserted.
  3. When saving the document or draft, it is saved with the name 12, explained
     above.


     Outcome when using JAWS 2019


   * The emoji is correctly reported with no unexpected behaviour.


The bug has previously been reported to Joseph Lee, who blamed the
shortcoming
on Microsoft Office. This clearly is not the case, as outlined above.

End quote

Kind regards

Christo


On 2019/01/22 01:01 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
> Hi Christo,
>
> Can you please advise the steps to reproduce this?
>
> Which Office program?  Which emoji character?  If it's a document you have
> been sent, if you are able to forward it to info@..., I can have a
> look at the same file, otherwise, if it's one (or several) emojis, please
> advise how to select the appropriate one(s).
>
> Kind regards
>
> Quentin.
>
> On Mon, Jan 21, 2019 at 8:24 PM Christo de Klerk <christodeklerk@...>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello NVDA developers
>>
>>
>> A friend who is not on this list asked me to report that when using NVDA
>> with Office 365 emoji are not shown; instead the number 12 appears in
>> the text. This only happens in Office 365 and not in older versions of
>> Office. He says that the opposition Shark handles emoji perfectly in
>> 365. Is this a know issue?
>>
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
>>
>> Christo
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>










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spellcheck with NVDA

Ann Byrne <annakb@...>
 

How well does NVDA work with spellcheck? In Office 2013? in 2016????


Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Brad Snyder
 

What hoops??
To save a file, all you need to do is press CTRL+S to Save, or ALT followed by F then A to do a Save As.
This is no different than in any previous version of MS Word for Windows.

HTH

- Brad -




On Jan 23, 2019, at 11:22, Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@...> wrote:

i am running 2007. I peeked at office 365 but I did not like what hoops i had to jump through just to save a file. 
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

And the question, "Upgrading from what?/What existing version of Office are you using?," comes to mind.

I just recently upgraded from 2010, which is getting rickety but is still supported, to Office 2016.   Office 2016 will still be supported for some years to come, and with the availability of recycled licenses out of the EU one can upgrade to the top version, Pro Plus, for very little money.

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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

 

I have not touched Office 365, but certain things are very, very, very unlikely to change, ever.

ALT+F, S still does a save as it always has for an existing file that's been saved.

Alt+F,A still does a Save As, though if you want to go straight to the browse dialog add an O after that A, as that forces it to go directly to the browse dialog (and the same is true for the straight save the first time you're saving a file).

--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: accessing a spreadsheet in "protected view"

 

Mary,

  Have a read through:    I have hated Protected View as default since its introduction.   I never open an MS-Office document from any source that I don't trust, so it's just a PITA for me.  The sighted folks can see what's there, so they don't need to have something read it, and it's visible when Protected View is on.  If they want to manipulate it in any way, though, they've got to turn it off, too, either for that document alone or as noted above.
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accessing a spreadsheet in "protected view"

Mary Otten
 

Hi all,


I admit that I am really not very knowledgeable when it comes to working with spreadsheets. So maybe this is just an elementary question.


I got a spreadsheet from the farmer who does my local CSA. It contains products, prices per specified unit of product and the 12 months of the year, including showing, with an X in the boxes for months when said products are not going to be available. And then there is a place to fill in the amounts you want for each month and each product, and it calculates your total for the year.


But when I open this in Excel from Office 2016, it says it is in protected view, and when I arrow around, all I get are numbers for the given cell I'm on, plus the word unlock. And I'm not seeing any actual data from the sender of the sheet, i.e. no names of items, months etc. So I haven't a clue how this thing is actually laid out. This protected view is the way she sends this out, and apparently, it works okay for the sighted folks. So, any advice on how I can do some magic on this would really be appreciated.


Mary


Re: Open Office/libreOffice

David Moore
 

Hi, nvda is very accessible with Microsoft office 365. if you want to use PowerPoint even, it is very accessible within vda. It is very snappy, and EnV access has been working hard to make Microsoft Excel accessible within vda as well. I strongly encourage you to look into getting office 365, because it is the most up-to-date in terms of accessibility. Have a great day, David Moore.


On Wed, Jan 23, 2019, 6:20 AM Robert Doc Wright godfearer <godfearer@... wrote:
How are these programs in the realm of accessibility with NVDA? I'm trying to decide if I should switch or uprade to Ofice 365.
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Gene
 

You probably could have saved the file as you do now if you turned back stage view off.  I don't use Word and I'll let those who do discuss that but from discussions I've seen on lists, turning it off removes such annoyances.
 
Gene

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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

i am running 2007. I peeked at office 365 but I did not like what hoops i had to jump through just to save a file.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

And the question, "Upgrading from what?/What existing version of Office are you using?," comes to mind.

I just recently upgraded from 2010, which is getting rickety but is still supported, to Office 2016.   Office 2016 will still be supported for some years to come, and with the availability of recycled licenses out of the EU one can upgrade to the top version, Pro Plus, for very little money.

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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: I lose the python online book link

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

I chose the second book. I'm going to see how far I get.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "特種兵" <afreettears@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:40 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] I lose the python online book link



hi John

Yes, I lost python book is think python
thank you for your advice

thank you for much
Logo Kuo from Taiwan

John Isige 於 2019/1/23 上午 03:07 寫道:
I'm not sure what Python book somebody posted, but here are a few
things. Here's Learn Python The Hard Way.


https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/


Here's A Byte of Python.


https://python.swaroopch.com/


Here's Think Python.


http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html


Here's one on programming games.


http://inventwithpython.com/


Finally, here's a link somebody posted a while back to stuff Joseph
wrote up.


https://nvda.groups.io/g/devlearning


Hopefully the book you lost is in there somewhere.


On 1/22/2019 10:03, 特種兵 wrote:


hi everyone

how many days ago
someone put a link of a python online book on this lists
but I delete thta letter because I put it into firefox bookmark
I reinstall windows 10 on my desktop machine some days ago
then I forgot backup my firefox bookmark
so anyone has the link?
I need it, thanks


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