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Re: NVDA and ads blocker
Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
Yes please. Many thanks. Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 10:26 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker
Do you want the instructions for Chrome as well?
its not a question of novices. Most people wouldn't know or wouldn't have thought of applying these various tasks in one related manner. Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Pascal Lambert Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker
Thank you Gene for taking the time to write down the instructions for us novices. Blessings Pascal
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
This explanation is long. It explains how to do this and gives an example of an efficient way to use this setting and how it may benefit you.
In firefox, it is a few steps to get to the place where you change the setting. But once there, if you leave a window or tab opened, you can change it between on and off by just pressing enter in that window or tab. Here is how you get to the setting: In the browser address bar, type about:config. Look at what I wrote character by character to see exactly how to type it. Press enter. A warning will come up. Press the space bar. you are now in a search field. The first time you do this, once you are in the search field, you may want to bookmark the page for the fastest use in the future. If you follow the bookmark, you will be on the warning message so press the space bar.
In the search field, type the following exactly as written: pt.en Tab once. I think there is only one item in the results. But if not, there will be very few. The item you want says JAVA script default enabled or something very similar. Select it if you are on it with the space bar or down arrow and up arrow. Press enter. it will then say It is now off. Leave that Window opened. Open a new window for your browsing with control n. Or open a new tab with control t. if you know how to move from tab to tab and from window to window, open whatever you want.
If you go to a page that requires JAVA script, move to the settings window, press enter, go back to the page and reload it with f5. If you know in advance that the page requires JAVA script, you can change the setting and then load the page as usual in the other window or tab. As I said in another message, many pages now require scripts to function properly. but when you are dealing with a site where certain pages do and certain ones don't like The New York Times Site, if you do the following, you will have easier to navigate article pages. Open the home page or another page that requires scripts. I don't know which do and don't in general. the home page does as does the New York Times in print page. You can tell by experimentation and what you know about sites you have visited if the pages display as they should when scripts are off. The Times home page doesn't show all content if JAVA is off. It shows some and for just a quick look at some important articles, that's fine. But perhaps thirty to forty percent of the articles can't be seen if scripts are off. So if you want to see all the articles and read them conveniently with scripts off, do the following: Open The times home page, for example with Scripts enabled. Then switch to the settings window and press enter to turn scripts off. Now go back to the other page. Scripts will still be running on that page because it was opened before you changed the setting. Find an article you want to read. Use Shift enter instead of just enter. The article will open in a new window and scripts won't be runnning. The page may load noticeably faster and there will be considerably less interruptions on the page for things like advertising. Once finished, close the window with alt f4. You will be back in the home page window, just where you left off.
As I said, it's somewhat or rather geeky, but you may see benefits well worth having if you experiment and try seeing how things differ when scripts are allowed and not.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: marcio via Groups.Io Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2019 5:18 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and ads blocker
Gene,
Em 22/01/2019 21:16, Gene escreveu:
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Re: Corrupted NVDA
Quentin Christensen
Hi John, NVDA 2018.4.1 is the latest stable build of NVDA. Possible confusion because it did, in fact, come out in 2019, but it is a point release for 2018.4 (as in, identical to 2018.4 with just a minor update to address a specific bug). It sounds like the machine might be going into sleep mode or at least screensaver and starting to power down some things. In the advanced power options you can set options such as sleeping USB ports for instance. If your Braille display is connected via USB, then if it goes to sleep, when you wake up the laptop by pressing something, it may then need to take a few moments to reconnect.
On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 12:41 PM John J. Boyer <john.boyer@...> wrote: Hello, --
Quentin Christensen Training and Support Manager Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/ Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess Twitter: @NVAccess
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Corrupted NVDA
John J. Boyer
Hello,
I have Windows 10 Home on an Acer Swift notebook with a Focus 40 Braille display. NVDA is 2018.4.1 with BrailleExtender. Somehow it seems to have gotten corrupted. If I leave the machine idle for a while it doesn't respond to the advance button on the display. If I keep poking around for a few minutes it comes back to normal. I tried to update to 2019.1. It seemed to work, but it is still running the old version and now it says that no update is availablle. I guess I should reinstall NVDA, but that would require sighted help. Any suggestions would be welcome. Thanks, John gotten corrupted. gotten corrupted. It b -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
Gene
Brian and all
I'm really getting tired of your harassment.
I never start these arguments. You go out of your way to argue with
me. Every such discussion is started by you. You made a
charge. let's have some examples. Give specifics about when I have
been negatively critical, not positively critical, of list members.
At times, I comment on how a list member does something related to using Windows or a Windows program but that is constructive criticism and I assume you aren't referring to such occasions. If other list members want to comment and present
examples, I'll be happy to hear them. If I am doing something I am unaware
of or that strikes people the wrong way, I'll be happy to consider
comments. But please write me off list at this address:
so as not to clutter the list with administrative
and offtopic discussion. Also, if you want the list owner to see our
discussions, please use the owner's address. I'll see your messages along
with the owner.
Since I am a moderator, if I am, even inadvertently
and without realizing it, creating or contributing to an unpleasant list
environment, then the owner should be aware of it. People need not be
intimidated about writing to me. I don’t hold grudges and I hope that, if
people have constructively critical comments, that they will let me know.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice But getting caught up in a discussion and replying without reading the thread, while it would be better to do otherwise, really doesn't deserve a scolding comment of this type. I don't see why it deserves one at all.What a surprise, Gene. You are free to scold all you want, and heaven knows you do. Every once in a while turnabout is absolutely fair play. And this is coming immediately upon the heels of my having edited the original post to correct it. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
JM Casey
OO will open .dox files, but not save them, I think. You can save in the older style .doc files, which Microsoft Office can work with to this day.
There are definite accessibility quirks with both Libre and Open Office, depending on which screen-reader you use. I thought OO worked slightly better with JAWS whereas Libre seemed to work slightly better with nVDA, and even seem to remember someone in an earlier discussion on this list explaining why that was so.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
OO, Open Office, is a more accessible program than LO is, but it is also a far worse program with missing basic features, such as working with Docx files. LO is a far better program, but if you need something complex for a huge project, neither works well. LiBreOffice is the best open source alternative but is less accessible than OO.
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Re: accessing a spreadsheet in "protected view"
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:34 PM, Cearbhall O'Meadhra wrote:
Be careful before suspending protected view.I have no argument with the advice you've given, as everyone has their own tolerance for risk. I will note, however, that what you propose doing would unleash exactly the same macros as my method does once the file is open. That's why I don't find Protected View useful for myself. I have never opened anything I have no intention of interacting with, and the moment you unprotect a given file it's unprotected. For myself, I just see no advantage in doing this on a case by case basis since I'm strict about what I'll open. If one has to deal with a lot of Office file throughput, though, and you don't have the need to interact with many of them, Protected View can come in handy. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:51 PM, Gene wrote:
But getting caught up in a discussion and replying without reading the thread, while it would be better to do otherwise, really doesn't deserve a scolding comment of this type. I don't see why it deserves one at all.What a surprise, Gene. You are free to scold all you want, and heaven knows you do. Every once in a while turnabout is absolutely fair play. And this is coming immediately upon the heels of my having edited the original post to correct it. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
Gene
I should say that getting caught up in a discussion
and replying, when I'm not far behind in messages, on occasion, really doesn't
rise to the level deserving of a scolding comment.
From: Gene via Groups.Io
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice I appreciate your retraction and I wouldn't have
replied further except for your "you should have known better comment. I
haven't thought about what I do much in this respect for quite sometime.
There are times I read a thread before answering and there are times I
don't. it often doesn't arise as an issue because I follow the list often
throughout the day. But getting caught up in a discussion and replying
without reading the thread, while it would be better to do otherwise, really
doesn't deserve a scolding comment of this type. I don't see why it
deserves one at all.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice I didn't write that.Which I have already acknowledged. The misattribution was unintentional. You, of all people, should know to read through the entirety of a topic before responding. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
Gene
I appreciate your retraction and I wouldn't have
replied further except for your "you should have known better comment. I
haven't thought about what I do much in this respect for quite sometime.
There are times I read a thread before answering and there are times I
don't. it often doesn't arise as an issue because I follow the list often
throughout the day. But getting caught up in a discussion and replying
without reading the thread, while it would be better to do otherwise, really
doesn't deserve a scolding comment of this type. I don't see why it
deserves one at all.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice I didn't write that.Which I have already acknowledged. The misattribution was unintentional. You, of all people, should know to read through the entirety of a topic before responding. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
Gene
I don't use Office and I expect others will explain
how to do this. Until then, I believe that pressing escape will take you
out of it but I'm not sure of that. That is my not necessarily correct
recollection of discussions I've seen on a list perhaps a year ago.
Gene
----- Original message -----
From: Richard Wells
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice Gene: Would you tell us how to turn off back stage? On 1/23/2019 12:09 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: accessing a spreadsheet in "protected view"
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Mary,
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Brian gave you some very useful information on managing protected view. I must say that I like the protection it gives me. I prefer to be covered when a dynamic program like an excel workbook is sent from any source, even a trusted one! Excel is designed to carry macros and other devices that could be a threat from the wrong source or from a damaged source with no harm intended. As soon as you open the workbook, just press f2 and tab once to "OK" and the full workbook is open and available to navigate as normal. Similarly, in a Word file attachment it will normally come in protected view and, again, just press alt to open the ribbon bar, left arrow to "file", down-arrow into the ribbon options and tab twice to remove protected view. Be careful before suspending protected view. All the best, Cearbhall m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Mary Otten Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 7:27 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] accessing a spreadsheet in "protected view" Hi all, I admit that I am really not very knowledgeable when it comes to working with spreadsheets. So maybe this is just an elementary question. I got a spreadsheet from the farmer who does my local CSA. It contains products, prices per specified unit of product and the 12 months of the year, including showing, with an X in the boxes for months when said products are not going to be available. And then there is a place to fill in the amounts you want for each month and each product, and it calculates your total for the year. But when I open this in Excel from Office 2016, it says it is in protected view, and when I arrow around, all I get are numbers for the given cell I'm on, plus the word unlock. And I'm not seeing any actual data from the sender of the sheet, i.e. no names of items, months etc. So I haven't a clue how this thing is actually laid out. This protected view is the way she sends this out, and apparently, it works okay for the sighted folks. So, any advice on how I can do some magic on this would really be appreciated. Mary
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't write that.Which I have already acknowledged. The misattribution was unintentional. You, of all people, should know to read through the entirety of a topic before responding. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
Gene
I didn't write that. That is the message I
answered and I strongly disagreed with the opinion of the original poster.
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 3:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use the program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing such nonsense.There are so many products that use this service model, and have for many, many years now, that this comment is nonsense. You can use Office up through 2016 (and I think even 2019) as an installed program if you wish and there will be support for same for some years to come. You certainly must never have been a JAWS user, either, as their model is very much "as a service" if you wish to have a version of JAWS that's keeping up with "what's happening now." I strongly prefer installed programs that I am not paying for over time, but there's nothing wrong with selling service in that way. Buying a high-end version of Office outright is a multi-hundred dollar proposition. It will take quite a while to equal what you'd have paid for the installed version via "as a service" delivery model and you keep getting updates as well. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: excel is stop when edited comment finish
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Hi,
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I think I experience the same when I edit a formula in a cell. However, I don't have to close Excel, I just press alt+tab to swop to another window and then press alt+tab to come back again into Excel and then NVDA responds. Perhaps you could try that? Then you would not have to go through all those tedious steps of saving the workbook, closing it and then reopening it again. All the best, Cearbhall m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@blbc.ie
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of ??? Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:58 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: [nvda] excel is stop when edited comment finish hi groups I use microsoft office 2016 and NVDA 2018.4.1 excel is always stop when I edited comment finish everytime. I inserted comment then pressed esc to return excel sheet but I use arrow key can not move cursor and NVDA has no response anything until I pressed control plus s saved this file and alt plus F4 quit it then pressed enter key open this file and I see all things so anyone give me some advice if you know whats happen am I use edit finished method is error? thanks -- thank you for much Logo Kuo from Taiwan
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
JM Casey
I just hit f12 to get a slightly different version (I think) of the “save as” dialog box. Using Office 2016 though, not 365.
I did use 365 for a while at work though and didn’t really find significant differences.
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: January 23, 2019 1:10 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice
You probably could have saved the file as you do now if you turned back stage view off. I don't use Word and I'll let those who do discuss that but from discussions I've seen on lists, turning it off removes such annoyances.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 11:22 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice
i am running 2007. I peeked at office 365 but I did not like what hoops i had to jump through just to save a file. ***
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
Richard Wells
Gene: Would you tell us how to turn off back stage?
On 1/23/2019 12:09 PM, Gene wrote:
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Re: excel is stop when edited comment finish
Could be a bug with excell, ring ms disability and see if they can reproduce it.
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Office is updated frequently so.
On 24/01/2019 5:58 AM, 特種兵 wrote:
hi groups
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 05:04 PM, Antony Stone wrote:
Please note that Gene did not say what is attributed to him below, and in factTrue, and I have no idea how this misattribution happened. I could have sworn that I replied directly to the post Travis offered, but clearly I used Gene's quote of Travis's material after his own offering. Gene and I are on the same page, and I had no intention of attributing the comment saying that "as a service delivery is nonsense" [paraphrased] to Gene. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice
Antony Stone
Please note that Gene did not say what is attributed to him below, and in fact
argued coherently against it. The comment was made by Travis. On Wednesday 23 January 2019 at 22:51:51, Brian Vogel wrote: On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 03:40 PM, Gene wrote:Antony.I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that -- BASIC is to computer languages what Roman numerals are to arithmetic. Please reply to the list; please *don't* CC me.
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Re: NVDA and ads blocker
George,
First, you need to have navigated to the page on which you wish to have it disabled. Then: 1. Hit ALT to throw focus to the Chrome Menu button, then left arrow over until you find the uBlock Origin menu button (and, if you happen to have installed uBlock Origin Extra under Chrome, make sure that you're not on that button). Hit Enter to activate the uBlock Origin Menu. 2. Tab once to land on the "Disable uBlock Origin On This Page Button." Hit Enter or Spacebar to activate it. 3. uBlock Origin is now deactivated for that page until or unless you repeat this process again. The Disable button is really a toggle - if uBlock Origin is enabled it disables it and vice versa. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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