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Re: Rewind and fast forward tracks in itunes

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

The key command you gave works for me whether I just tap the right or left arrow keys or hold them down.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Manoj Govindraj" <manmusical9@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 4:29 PM
Subject: [nvda] Rewind and fast forward tracks in itunes


Hello,

I am using the latest version of nvda on my windows 10 64 bit laptop.
When using itunes, I am not able to rewind and fast forward tracks
using the keystrokes Control plus alt plus left/right arrow keys.
Could anyone help me resolve this issue?

Best,

Manoj

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Re: table navigation with NVDA in this webpage

Sylvie Duchateau
 

Hello,

I just visited the page.

NVDA reads the table correctly, saying it has 3 rows and 4 columns.

Navigating with the table navigation commands works properly.

But it seems that the cells are partially empty or may be there is a language that my NVDA version does not recognise?

As Gene wrote, if the table has only one row and one column, it is normal that you cannot move with the navigation commands.

May be the table is updated frequently. This would explain why I see several rows and columns.

Best

Sylvie

Le 25/01/2019 à 02:24, Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William a écrit :

Hi,
https://www.smartid.gov.hk/Who-shall-replace-identity-cards/
1. press t to move to the table start
2. press ctrl alt up/down/left cannot move to the next cell of the table

isn't it a problem of nvda or the html code of the site?



Re: NVDA and norton and adobe digital editions

 

hi. how about disconnecting the internet?
does it work?

On 1/24/19, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
Just to let you know, when installing adobe digital editions, to make sure
Norton does not get installed, OCR the Norton screen and put your cursor on
no thanks, route the mouse, and left click, and then you get adobe digital
editions and no Norton!

Josh


Sent from Mail for Windows 10




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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

 

hi.
where can i download google docs offline app?
is it a complete free replacement for microsoft word?
can i install and use it on windows xp?
thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 1/24/19, Josh Kennedy <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
what about google docs sheets and slides? especially the google offline
apps? I find them to be very very accessible. they work good with google
chrome.



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from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: table navigation with NVDA in this webpage

Gene
 

If you have NVDA set to announce table information, it is announced that the tables on the page all have one row and one column.  So there is no way to move in the tables, assuming that NVDA is seeing them correctly. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 7:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] table navigation with NVDA in this webpage

Hi,
https://www.smartid.gov.hk/Who-shall-replace-identity-cards/
1. press t to move to the table start
2. press ctrl alt up/down/left cannot move to the next cell of the table

isn't it a problem of nvda or the html code of the site?




Re: nvda and cursor tracking in windows 10 mail

Gene
 

Yes, that's correct.  I often don't read subject lines and I see it says Windows 10 Mail, though the message itself said Windows Mail.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] nvda and cursor tracking in windows 10 mail

I think he's asking about Windows 10 mail.

On Jan 24, 2019, at 9:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Are you asking about the Windows Mail that came with Vista?  If so, while I have no objection to fixing it, would it only correct a problem in that program and do enough people use it to justify spending NVDA resources on repairing the problem? 
 
In Windows Live Mail, I don't know about recent versions of NVDA, but when composing messages, the cursor didn't move at all properly when reviewing a message using read to end.  If that is the same problem, it might be more worth looking at since a fair number of people still use that program. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 7:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda and cursor tracking in windows 10 mail

Hi,

With the latest version of NVDA, I noticed when using it with windows mail and when you are composing, or replying to an email, NVDA does not track the cursor very well at all when trying to edit with arrow keys. Can this be fixed?

 

 

Josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: nvda and cursor tracking in windows 10 mail

Maria Reyes <blindteky@...>
 

I think he's asking about Windows 10 mail.

On Jan 24, 2019, at 9:12 PM, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Are you asking about the Windows Mail that came with Vista?  If so, while I have no objection to fixing it, would it only correct a problem in that program and do enough people use it to justify spending NVDA resources on repairing the problem? 
 
In Windows Live Mail, I don't know about recent versions of NVDA, but when composing messages, the cursor didn't move at all properly when reviewing a message using read to end.  If that is the same problem, it might be more worth looking at since a fair number of people still use that program. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 7:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda and cursor tracking in windows 10 mail

Hi,

With the latest version of NVDA, I noticed when using it with windows mail and when you are composing, or replying to an email, NVDA does not track the cursor very well at all when trying to edit with arrow keys. Can this be fixed?

 

 

Josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: nvda and cursor tracking in windows 10 mail

Gene
 

Are you asking about the Windows Mail that came with Vista?  If so, while I have no objection to fixing it, would it only correct a problem in that program and do enough people use it to justify spending NVDA resources on repairing the problem? 
 
In Windows Live Mail, I don't know about recent versions of NVDA, but when composing messages, the cursor didn't move at all properly when reviewing a message using read to end.  If that is the same problem, it might be more worth looking at since a fair number of people still use that program. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 7:52 PM
Subject: [nvda] nvda and cursor tracking in windows 10 mail

Hi,

With the latest version of NVDA, I noticed when using it with windows mail and when you are composing, or replying to an email, NVDA does not track the cursor very well at all when trying to edit with arrow keys. Can this be fixed?

 

 

Josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Josh Kennedy
 

what about google docs sheets and slides? especially the google offline apps? I find them to be very very accessible.  they work good with google chrome. 


nvda and cursor tracking in windows 10 mail

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

With the latest version of NVDA, I noticed when using it with windows mail and when you are composing, or replying to an email, NVDA does not track the cursor very well at all when trying to edit with arrow keys. Can this be fixed?

 

 

Josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


NVDA and norton and adobe digital editions

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

Just to let you know, when installing adobe digital editions, to make sure Norton does not get installed, OCR the Norton screen and put your cursor on no thanks, route the mouse, and left click, and then you get adobe digital editions and no Norton!

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


table navigation with NVDA in this webpage

Mr. Wong Chi Wai, William <cwwong.pro@...>
 

Hi,
https://www.smartid.gov.hk/Who-shall-replace-identity-cards/
1. press t to move to the table start
2. press ctrl alt up/down/left cannot move to the next cell of the table

isn't it a problem of nvda or the html code of the site?


Rewind and fast forward tracks in itunes

manmusical9@...
 

Hello,

I am using the latest version of nvda on my windows 10 64 bit laptop.
When using itunes, I am not able to rewind and fast forward tracks
using the keystrokes Control plus alt plus left/right arrow keys.
Could anyone help me resolve this issue?

Best,

Manoj

--
http://www.swar-ras.com


Re: getting rid of norton security tool

Tony Ballou
 

Hi,


The last time I did anything with uninstalling Norton products was 2006, and it sounds like the procedure unfortunately hasn't changed since then.  It's still there because the registry key is still on your system.  This also hast to be deleted. I don't know how comfortable you feel about going into your system's registry editor and deleting keys.  In  my experiences with helping people, most of them don't. If you know someone who knows how to properly work in there, have them do it; or call the Microsoft disability line for assistance. Hope this helps. 


tony   

On 1/21/2019 2:15 AM, Josh Kennedy wrote:

Hi,

I installed adobe digital editions to read epub books. It asked me if I wanted to also install norton security scan. I clicked disagree, no, no thanks, etcetera with jaws/NVDA mouse cursor. But it installed it anyway along with some norton product thing which seems to have gone away. It also installed a chrome extension that i removed. I tried using the norton removal tool with OCR but this stubborn norton security scan just will not go away! So how do I remove it? Should I just reset windows10 wipe out everything and reinstall and re-set everything back up on my RCA cambio tablet laptop? I tried uninstalling from both control panel and the windows 10 settings app but no luck. this stubborn norton security scan still seems to stick around. Would malware bytes remove it perhaps? or is there an accessible revo uninstaller or force program remover tool that will uninstall it? the norton removal utility tool did not help at all.

 

thanks,

 

josh

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 


I am sticking to the subject line. I was wondering what you might use for writing documents. or if you may have at least peeked at either of the two programs in the subject field.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 6:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

I used Word a little in the past, to learn something about it but not for many years.  I've never used Excel.  But I'm not sure why you are asking.  I have read and thought to an extent about the subscribe versus own model of programs and property such as music, that is, music you specifically purchase and that is a separate question than using the programs or property.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

gene have you tested either of these programs by chance? the only thing I actually use from Office is word and Excel.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

I should say that getting caught up in a discussion and replying, when I'm not far behind in messages, on occasion, really doesn't rise to the level deserving of a scolding comment. 
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

I appreciate your retraction and I wouldn't have replied further except for your "you should have known better comment.  I haven't thought about what I do much in this respect for quite sometime.  There are times I read a thread before answering and there are times I don't.  it often doesn't arise as an issue because I follow the list often throughout the day.  But getting caught up in a discussion and replying without reading the thread, while it would be better to do otherwise, really doesn't deserve a scolding comment of this type.  I don't see why it deserves one at all.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't write that.
Which I have already acknowledged.  The misattribution was unintentional.  You, of all people, should know to read through the entirety of a topic before responding.
 
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Re: Open Office/LibreOffice

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

On Jaws though you will find that things go downhill due to 2019 version catering for new windows bits and pieces, but if like me you are in windows 7, no need at all. I find however that on Outlook Express its lost the ability to read read and unread etc, which nvda still has so I can continue to use the software, though old it be, as Yoda might say!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian K. Lingard" <bkl@ncf.ca>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/LibreOffice


Dear Travis & List:

The advantage of Office365 is said to be you are using the latest release of the software, essentially a perpetual update..

JAWS will work indefinitely when purchased & activated.

Nany software publishers like the annual subscription business model, to separate you from your last Farthing!
Brian K. Lingard


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright Godfearer
Sent: January 24, 2019 4:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/LibreOffice

Brian that was not Gene who wrote that. those were Travis' views.
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----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vogel <mailto:britechguy@gmail.com>
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/LibreOffice

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 03:40 PM, Gene wrote:
I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must be paid for each and every year, or you lose the ability to use the program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing such nonsense.
There are so many products that use this service model, and have for many, many years now, that this comment is nonsense.

You can use Office up through 2016 (and I think even 2019) as an installed program if you wish and there will be support for same for some years to come.

You certainly must never have been a JAWS user, either, as their model is very much "as a service" if you wish to have a version of JAWS that's keeping up with "what's happening now."

I strongly prefer installed programs that I am not paying for over time, but there's nothing wrong with selling service in that way. Buying a high-end version of Office outright is a multi-hundred dollar proposition. It will take quite a while to equal what you'd have paid for the installed version via "as a service" delivery model and you keep getting updates as well.

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.
~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back


Re: Open Office/LibreOffice

Brian K. Lingard
 

Dear Travis & List:

 

The advantage of Office365 is said to be you are using the latest release of the software, essentially a perpetual update..

 

JAWS will work indefinitely when purchased & activated.

 

Nany software publishers like the annual subscription business model, to separate you from your last Farthing!

Brian K. Lingard

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Doc Wright Godfearer
Sent: January 24, 2019 4:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/LibreOffice

 

Brian that was not Gene who wrote that. those were Travis' views.

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----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Vogel

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 2:51 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/LibreOffice

 

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 03:40 PM, Gene wrote:

I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must be paid for each and every year, or you lose the ability to use the program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing such nonsense. 

There are so many products that use this service model, and have for many, many years now, that this comment is nonsense.

You can use Office up through 2016 (and I think even 2019) as an installed program if you wish and there will be support for same for some years to come.

You certainly must never have been a JAWS user, either, as their model is very much "as a service" if you wish to have a version of JAWS that's keeping up with "what's happening now."

I strongly prefer installed programs that I am not paying for over time, but there's nothing wrong with selling service in that way.  Buying a high-end version of Office outright is a multi-hundred dollar proposition.  It will take quite a while to equal what you'd have paid for the installed version via "as a service" delivery model and you keep getting updates as well.
 
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Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Gene
 

This message is rather long.
 
I'll discuss how the subscription model often varies from the utilities model.
 
Sometimes when you use a subscription service, you get more features or better quality than if you don't, or other benefits.  Of course, that is different than something like electricity or the Internet.  If you don't subscribe, you don't get it for personal use.  Of course, there is public wi-fi, but that doesn't count here. 
 
But Spotify, for example, if you subscribe has lots of benefits, no commercials, the ability to listen to music offline, significantly higher quality audio of the material being listened to, access to the same material you keep in your favorites on any device, and perhaps others I don't know.  Since I use it very little and don't care about any of these advantages but the quality,  I use the free version.  It would be nice to have the much higher quality audio, but it isn't worth $9.95 a month for the little I use it. 
 
This trend, offering something for free and a much better version as a subscription, is very common now and Microsoft modifies this model by offering the program for purchase but it isn't a cloud version and therefore lacks many features and options the subscription version does.  But its still Office, as people have known it traditionally so you don't lose capabilities you had previously as a purchaser.
 
I'm not saying the subscription model doesn't have problems.  It can be used as a way of getting more money with no real benefits in some cases and if it is adopted for too many programs and utilities, it may cost people a significant amount of money they wouldn't have spent otherwise.  But in itself, if not abused, or if it is controled in some way to prevent abuses, it does have real benefits.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

One question. How does Microsoft subscription differ from your internet
bill, your utility bill...?
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From: "Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io"
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 1:00 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice


>I have to say I do agree and I'm also the person who still buys music on
>physical media for similar reasons.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Travis Siegel" <tsiegel@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 8:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice
>
>
> I know I'm in the minority here, but I'll *never* use office 365. I'd
> rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must
> be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use the
> program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing
> such nonsense. I know you can still access your documents you already
> created if you don't pay, but creating new content is off the table at
> that point, and to me, that's just criminal. Charge me for updates,
> that's fine, because then I can choose not to upgrade, but charge for
> basic use of the program, and hold capabilities back if I don't pay?
> How's that any different than some of those hackers who hold your files
> for ransom?
>
> No thanks, no office 365 for me *ever*.
>
> On 1/23/2019 2:41 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
>> I have not touched Office 365, but certain things are very, very, very
>> unlikely to change, ever.
>>
>> ALT+F, S still does a save as it always has for an existing file
>> that's been saved.
>>
>> Alt+F,A still does a Save As, though if you want to go straight to the
>> browse dialog add an O after that A, as that forces it to go directly
>> to the browse dialog (and the same is true for the straight save the
>> first time you're saving a file).
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>>
>> */A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
>> need for illusion is deep./*
>>
>> ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>




Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Gene
 

I used Word a little in the past, to learn something about it but not for many years.  I've never used Excel.  But I'm not sure why you are asking.  I have read and thought to an extent about the subscribe versus own model of programs and property such as music, that is, music you specifically purchase and that is a separate question than using the programs or property.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 3:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

gene have you tested either of these programs by chance? the only thing I actually use from Office is word and Excel.
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----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

I should say that getting caught up in a discussion and replying, when I'm not far behind in messages, on occasion, really doesn't rise to the level deserving of a scolding comment. 
 
 

Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

I appreciate your retraction and I wouldn't have replied further except for your "you should have known better comment.  I haven't thought about what I do much in this respect for quite sometime.  There are times I read a thread before answering and there are times I don't.  it often doesn't arise as an issue because I follow the list often throughout the day.  But getting caught up in a discussion and replying without reading the thread, while it would be better to do otherwise, really doesn't deserve a scolding comment of this type.  I don't see why it deserves one at all.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 06:31 PM, Gene wrote:
I didn't write that.
Which I have already acknowledged.  The misattribution was unintentional.  You, of all people, should know to read through the entirety of a topic before responding.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Open Office/libreOffice

Gene
 

Why do people rent apartments?  In the majority of cases, its because they can't afford to buy a house.  Some, perhaps many, people may subscribe to Office because they can't oor it is difficult for them to afford to purchase it.  Also, if you subscribe, depending on the level you subscribe, businesses or people may get benefits they want.  I haven't looked into this in detail, but there is a subscription to Ofrfice that allows you to use it as a subscription, on five machines.  I don't know if that means five machines simultaneously or five machines at one time.  There are probably other subscription levels that offer other variations on how many licenses you need that may be of benefit to large businesses. 
 
There are other features as well that, I believe, derive from using office in the cloud.  I'm not taking a position in this message as to the advisability of the widespread adoption of the cloud.  I'm saying that it has occurred and that there are benefits the subscription model offers in that respect that many people want.  Also, you can still buy Office, the current version and 2016 as a stand alone, not cloud program so you still have a choice.  You can still buy music as well and you have full ownership.  But increasingly, people prefer using streaming services. 
 
Is it worth the money to subscribe to something or to own it?  It depends on how the person uses it. 
 
As far as Microsoft trying to make using certain old programs such as Outlook Express unuseable on newer versions of Windows, I don't know why this is done in a very small number of cases.  It isn't for money, because there are free, well known free alternatives and they themselves provide something in the new version to do the same basic thing, such as an e-mail app.  Others may know or have interesting speculations on this point.  Microsoft probably should allow old programs to continue unless they represent a significant danger to the user or unless they no longer work or work properly as Windows develops.
 
Gene

----- Original message -----
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2019 2:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice

Hmm, well yes I  think though that Jaws will still carry on working on the
machine its been installed on as long as you do not need a newer version. If
the poster is correct this is not what Microsoft does with the subscription
model. With Word, I can still use old versions as long as they will still
run and screenreaders support them. I find it intensely annoying for example
that Microsoft decide which email client I can use. If I load up Outlook
Express on windows ten with the support files it needs from xp, it will run
fine. However when Windows updates in a major way, it removes it.

However most of the free replacements of that software are worse. Security
may be a little better, but to date its not been an issue.
 They reinvent the wheel worse then won't allow people to use the old wheels
even if they fit and go around, so to speak.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2019 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Open Office/libreOffice


On Wed, Jan 23, 2019 at 03:40 PM, Gene wrote:

>
> I'd rather put up with some access issues than pay for a product that must
> be paid for each and every year, or you loose the ability to use the
> program, that's just silly, and companies really be shot for introducing
> such nonsense.

There are so many products that use this service model, and have for many,
many years now, that this comment is nonsense.

You can use Office up through 2016 (and I think even 2019) as an installed
program if you wish and there will be support for same for some years to
come.

You certainly must never have been a JAWS user, either, as their model is
very much "as a service" if you wish to have a version of JAWS that's
keeping up with "what's happening now."

I strongly prefer installed programs that I am not paying for over time, but
there's nothing wrong with selling service in that way. Buying a high-end
version of Office outright is a multi-hundred dollar proposition. It will
take quite a while to equal what you'd have paid for the installed version
via "as a service" delivery model and you keep getting updates as well.

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Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back