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Re: Addon updater

Joseph Lee
 

Hi,
If I understand you right, you'd like me to produce a version of Add-on Updater compatible with older stable releases with a constraint that it won't check for updated version of itself unless NVDA itself is updated. In theory this is possible, but in practice, it defeats the purpose of Add-on Updater. First, I don't have any Windows XP machine at all to test this idea. Second, you need a base version for Add-on Updater, which must be updated from time to time so users will be notified that a newer NVDA version must be used (which means Add-on Updater needs to update itself, too, which is direct contradiction to what you are asking, I think).
Given NV Access's policy on Windows XP, coupled with impending switch to Python 3 and other changes here and there (and also because Add-on Updater relies on newer techniques), I'd like to kindly turn down this request. Also, within 30 days after release of NVDA 2019.1, I'll drop support for 2018.4 to make the add-on code simpler and to align with the direction NVDA is going with new add-on compatibility approach.
Cheers,
Joseph

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

Joseph, if I might suggest something. For versions of nvda before the last stable ones, maybe you could engineer an add on updater which will not update itself until nvda itself updates but does allow checking of other addons for updates. That way all of this missing add on update in the tools menu is avoided.
I imagine the people still on the old nvda are folks who are waiting for admins to do the update or something like that.
Also some seem to prefer the earlier version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater


Hi,
This is the reason why I told everyone yesterday that users should install
Add-on Updater 19.02.1A manually.
Speaking of Add-on Updater: it looks like I need to push another mandatory
update to this add-on next week. The current solution I wrote as part of
19.02.1A is a temporary one that isn't compatible with Python 3 version of
NVDA. The upcoming 19.02.2 will make sure Add-on Updater is both backward
and forward compatible.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 8:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

It tells me that Addon updater version is not compatible with my version of
NVDA. Says I need NVDA 2.0.
I am running NVDA 2018.4.1.

On 2/1/2019 9:09 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Fixed in Add-on Updater 19.02.1A.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan
Milam
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 7:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

Same here.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Addon updater

Running latest released version of NVDA not alpha. Get a update notice to
update the addon update addon. If I say ok to update I get a message that
the addon is not compatible with my version of NVDA. Get this addon
update notice every time I start NVDA.
NVDA Phantom Windows At Start Up

Ron Canazzi
 

Hi Group,


One of the things that really used to bother me when I used JAWS from the nineties through 2011 was that at start up, there were phantom windows being displayed at start up from almost everything that ran in the system tray.  Such programs as Avast anti virus, Drop Box, action center or in the old days network neighborhood and even JAWS itself were involved.  As thing were loading, you would be presented with windows identified as being part of the aforementioned programs but when you tried navigating to them, the windows were blank and contained nothing.


When I first started using NVDA, this never happened.  Sometime in the 2018 cycle (I can't quite remember when) this began happening more and more with NVDA.  Now when I boot the system, Drop Box, Action Center, one drive, volume panel (from Realtech sound manager) and one or two others show up with a blank window. Moving the cursor or mouse or moving to the desktop and back clears up the issue but this is somewhat annoying--just as it used to be with JAWS.


I am wondering if this is causing some of the confusion with some people reporting blank windows for such programs as Drop Box that are being reported on this list.  It would be nice if this issue could be addressed in future releases.



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Re: Finding the comment's section on a YouTube video

Chris Mullins
 

Hi

Have you tried the following for viewing youtube?  It’s an interface to YouTube designed for visually impaired and it doesn’t have the ads.  You get a search box for your keywords, a combo boxc where you select the number of results per page, another combo box where you select the media you are searching for e.g videos, and a search button.  Use the h key to scroll through the results, press tab to move focus to the one you want to play and press enter.  Another window opens for the specific video, switch to browse mode then use the h key to navigate to “Video Information” where you will find details of the video or use the b key to move to the control buttons.

 

http://www.povidi.com/YourTube/

 

Cheers

Chris

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 2 February 2019 00:08
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Finding the comment's section on a YouTube video

 

Hello folks,
Does anyone know how one can find, perhaps more easily than I've been doing, the comments' section on a YouTube video?
It seems like a bit of a random thing when and where it will appear the way I've doing to reach out it. Using NVDA, I've had to press N much more times than I actually would like to do just to reach the video's description and sometimes it'll be just after the description, sometimes it won't because it simply doesn't appear on any place at all.
So does anyone have any suggestion about it?

P.S.: If it's an offtopic, let me apologize. Just thought, since it has something to do with NVDA, well...

Thanks in advance :)

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Re: rescue disc for the blind?

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Yes can be a good idea. We could not do that as the software had hard coded drivers for specific printers in a database but generally if those considerations are not the issue an old Inspiron can work very well.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Blackburn" <ianblackburn@westnet.com.au>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 5:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] rescue disc for the blind?


I probably wouldn’t try and rescue the computer I would take the hard drive out of it and connect it to a working computer and extract the documents
A good few years ago I did do voluntary work fixing old computers sometimes it’s been three days getting it working and then it will just crash
I no longer do this sort of volunteering
I wonder if you could approach a recycling computer place and find a more recent machine for the person
I have used recycled computers for a while now
Regards Ian
On 2 Feb 2019, at 12:26 pm, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@gmail.com> wrote:

I have had ram sticks fail, and ports fail.

I have had also got things that just went with unexpected results.

A video card or tv card can do dammage a lot of that.

A busted user profile to but who knows.





On 2/02/2019 8:11 AM, Gene wrote:
I suspect the problem is hardware-related unless something very unusual happened such as a power failure during a defrag or some other maintenance that moves information around such as check disk. You may find something you can use as you wish but before putting much time and effort into working with the machine, I think a sighted person should say what the screen states. For all we know, this could be a motherboard problem and the machine may not even get to the point where BIOS is being loaded. Or it may be a hard drive problem.

Gene
From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 12:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] rescue disc for the blind?

A friend has an old DELL XP that, as he puts it, finally crashed. When I pressed for more detail, all he could tell me was that windows wasn't loading and JAWS wasn't coming on. After 20 minutes trying, and failing, to extract some more useful information, I finally resolved to trying to locate a recovery disc image, an image that had a lot of tools to possibly repair the system or transfer files from the hard drive to an external place. I could not find any for the blind. Could someone direct me to similar recovery disc images that have speech output or similar? Thanks in advance. He does not have his initial XP recovery disc.
Re: rescue disc for the blind?

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No on Dels of a certain age, its normally the plug in dvd/cd or floppy that the system detects as faulty.
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From: "Shaun Everiss" <sm.everiss@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 4:26 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] rescue disc for the blind?


I have had ram sticks fail, and ports fail.

I have had also got things that just went with unexpected results.

A video card or tv card can do dammage a lot of that.

A busted user profile to but who knows.



On 2/02/2019 8:11 AM, Gene wrote:
I suspect the problem is hardware-related unless something very
unusual happened such as a power failure during a defrag or some other
maintenance that moves information around such as check disk. You may
find something you can use as you wish but before putting much time
and effort into working with the machine, I think a sighted person
should say what the screen states. For all we know, this could be a
motherboard problem and the machine may not even get to the point
where BIOS is being loaded. Or it may be a hard drive problem.
Gene
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*Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2019 12:38 PM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:* [nvda] rescue disc for the blind?

A friend has an old DELL XP that, as he puts it, finally crashed. When
I pressed for more detail, all he could tell me was that windows
wasn't loading and JAWS wasn't coming on. After 20 minutes trying, and
failing, to extract some more useful information, I finally resolved
to trying to locate a recovery disc image, an image that had a lot of
tools to possibly repair the system or transfer files from the hard
drive to an external place. I could not find any for the blind. Could
someone direct me to similar recovery disc images that have speech
output or similar? Thanks in advance. He does not have his initial XP
recovery disc.
Re: rescue disc for the blind?

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Right if its a dell, and has a removable cd or floppy drive. Take it out then try a reboot. Some of these machines will not boot if a fault in a drive is detected, even if its not actually being used for booting.
I've had this several times so its not a unique experience. So yes hardware most of the time.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] rescue disc for the blind?


I suspect the problem is hardware-related unless something very unusual happened such as a power failure during a defrag or some other maintenance that moves information around such as check disk. You may find something you can use as you wish but before putting much time and effort into working with the machine, I think a sighted person should say what the screen states. For all we know, this could be a motherboard problem and the machine may not even get to the point where BIOS is being loaded. Or it may be a hard drive problem.

Gene
From: Robert Kingett
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 12:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] rescue disc for the blind?


A friend has an old DELL XP that, as he puts it, finally crashed. When I pressed for more detail, all he could tell me was that windows wasn't loading and JAWS wasn't coming on. After 20 minutes trying, and failing, to extract some more useful information, I finally resolved to trying to locate a recovery disc image, an image that had a lot of tools to possibly repair the system or transfer files from the hard drive to an external place. I could not find any for the blind. Could someone direct me to similar recovery disc images that have speech output or similar? Thanks in advance. He does not have his initial XP recovery disc.
Re: Reading brf files from BARD with a Focus 40

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I thought they were in non specific case, ie like the old type without the caps sign?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "John J. Boyer" <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading brf files from BARD with a Focus 40


The letters are always in uppercase in brf files. It's the standard.
John

On Fri, Feb 01, 2019 at 12:30:42PM -0500,
Christopher Kchao wrote:
Hello,
That's awfully peculiar, and seemingly not indicative of a NVDA issue. Are
you sure you're not looking at the cursor and perceiving the letters to be
upper-case as a result? The cursor can be turned off.
Best,
CK

On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 10:46 AM John J. Boyer <john.boyer@abilitiessoft.org>
wrote:

These files have all the letterts in upper case. That is not nice on the
Focus. How do I get NVDA to show them in lower
case?

Thanks,
John

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Re: Addon updater

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How weird. That then explains why I do an update then find it almost straight away finds some other update that was not there before. Why on earth would they're be a timeout?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater


Hi,
Hmmm. I think you hit the timeout issue mentioned by some on this list: after getting a notice about NVDA add-on updates, you must act within five minutes to download updates for some add-ons (mostly add-ons with source code hosted on GitHub).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 1:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

It's NVDA 2018.4.1. No, I usually just turn the computer on, leave the room, let it do its booting, then come in a few minutes later once it's booted up.

Annette

On 2/1/2019 3:05 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Okay, what is the version of NVDA you are using? Also, when you get a notification about Emoticons update, did you say "update" within five minutes of getting it?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette
Moore
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 12:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

I went to manually update add-on updater last night, it said I already had the latest stable version, but this morning, when I turned on the computer, it said there was an update to the emoticons add-on, I tried updating, it gave an error, and now, when I check for updates, it says there are none available. either I have the wrong add-on updater, or the emoticons add-on update was erased or something. I just checked, and yes, I do have the latest version: 19.02.1A. So hmm, maybe it just thought there was an update to the emoticons add-on. LOL! No big deal, I just thought I'd put it out there.

Annette

On 2/1/2019 12:21 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
No, if you go to community add-ons page and select Add-on Updater/stable version link, you'll get 19.02.1A.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

Joseph, issue there is that the version offered via the webpage is only wintenApps-19.02.nvda-addon, and, not wintenApps-19.02.1a.nvda-addon?


Stay well


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On 2019-02-01 5:09 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Fixed in Add-on Updater 19.02.1A.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Jonathan Milam
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 7:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

Same here.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Addon updater

Running latest released version of NVDA not alpha. Get a update notice to update the addon update addon. If I say ok to update I get a message that the addon is not compatible with my version of NVDA. Get this addon update notice every time I start NVDA.
Re: Addon updater

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Maybe as I just said, put up an old nvda fixed that is incapable of updating itself until it sees a newer version of nvda, as I tried to suggest before. Version18.xxa or some.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 8:35 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater


Hi,

No because 19.02.2 restores Python 3 compatibility, and current version isn’t python 3 compatible (at least one particular area of code; previously it was Python 3 compatible but in an attempt to fix compatibility with older NVDA releases, a method that was optimized for Python 2 was selected on a temporary basis).

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 12:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater



Hi,
I'm on the Alpha channel.
So let's say, if I still choose to wait beyond the 2019.0.2.2, from this point I'll be able to update it automatically?


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 01/02/2019 18:29, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,

Depends on which NVDA version you’ve got:

* 2018.4.1: manual update is mandatory.
* Alpha/beta: automatic update will work.



However, for this one and upcoming 19.02.2, you SHOULD update manually.

Cheers,

Joseph



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 12:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater



Hi Joseph,
If I choose to wait for the next version of add-on updater, will I still need to update it manually or can I simply update from the version I have right now to the newer one?


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 01/02/2019 14:41, Joseph Lee escreveu:

Hi,
This is the reason why I told everyone yesterday that users should install Add-on Updater 19.02.1A manually.
Speaking of Add-on Updater: it looks like I need to push another mandatory update to this add-on next week. The current solution I wrote as part of 19.02.1A is a temporary one that isn't compatible with Python 3 version of NVDA. The upcoming 19.02.2 will make sure Add-on Updater is both backward and forward compatible.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 8:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

It tells me that Addon updater version is not compatible with my version of NVDA. Says I need NVDA 2.0.
I am running NVDA 2018.4.1.

On 2/1/2019 9:09 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,
Fixed in Add-on Updater 19.02.1A.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan
Milam
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 7:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

Same here.

Jonathan

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] Addon updater

Running latest released version of NVDA not alpha. Get a update notice to update the addon update addon. If I say ok to update I get a message that the addon is not compatible with my version of NVDA. Get this addon update notice every time I start NVDA.
Re: Addon updater

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Joseph, if I might suggest something. For versions of nvda before the last stable ones, maybe you could engineer an add on updater which will not update itself until nvda itself updates but does allow checking of other addons for updates. That way all of this missing add on update in the tools menu is avoided.
I imagine the people still on the old nvda are folks who are waiting for admins to do the update or something like that.
Also some seem to prefer the earlier version.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater


Hi,
This is the reason why I told everyone yesterday that users should install Add-on Updater 19.02.1A manually.
Speaking of Add-on Updater: it looks like I need to push another mandatory update to this add-on next week. The current solution I wrote as part of 19.02.1A is a temporary one that isn't compatible with Python 3 version of NVDA. The upcoming 19.02.2 will make sure Add-on Updater is both backward and forward compatible.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 8:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

It tells me that Addon updater version is not compatible with my version of NVDA. Says I need NVDA 2.0.
I am running NVDA 2018.4.1.

On 2/1/2019 9:09 AM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Fixed in Add-on Updater 19.02.1A.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jonathan
Milam
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 7:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

Same here.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Addon updater

Running latest released version of NVDA not alpha. Get a update notice to update the addon update addon. If I say ok to update I get a message that the addon is not compatible with my version of NVDA. Get this addon update notice every time I start NVDA.
Re: Addon updater

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Yes and if like me you downloaded the add ons and installed them then the ability to use add on updateer is no longer available. This seems to be happening for any version of nvda prior to the last two. Some machines still use the older version though, and I suspect this is where things are going wrong as manually downloading the other addons seems to work OK.
I suspect that the original idea was to stop the latter updaters updating but at some point we updated it manually and broke the cunning plan!
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Don H" <lmddh50@adams.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 2:14 PM
Subject: [nvda] Addon updater


Running latest released version of NVDA not alpha. Get a update notice to update the addon update addon. If I say ok to update I get a message that the addon is not compatible with my version of NVDA. Get this addon update notice every time I start NVDA.
Re: Dropbox nag screens now appearing

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Really they should be adopting good practice though. However at the moment the other issue I have is as I've said here before, on my windows 7 box the dialogues and log in screen are just blank as far as nvda are concerned. I suspect that a file or registry corruption has occurred but there are no real clues and so I cannot really report that issue as others here say they work for them. here we get a blank pane and an exception in the log of nvda. Cfc says no issues either but it uses QT extensively and so I suspect that a dll is either out of date or not registered and I'm not inclined to reinstall windows to fix one problem with one piece of software when at some point it will need to be upgraded to windows 10 in any case.
I know the nag screen is inaccessible as others have said so so I feel on more solid ground there.

Yes they do fix problems in the desktop application but the web site builders seem a tougher nut to crack.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Dropbox nag screens now appearing


Hi,
unfortunately they have never been interested in accessibility. I once
had problems with the website and contacted their support staff, who
flatly proclaimed that accessibility was an unsupported feature. They
seemed incapable of grasping that accessibility is not, strictly
speaking, a feature but rather lack of it constitutes a bug, just as
lack of security or reliability does. Just imagine asking your bank
about the security of their home banking, and their response being
that this feature is currently not supported.
Best,
Felix

Am Fr., 1. Feb. 2019 um 11:08 Uhr schrieb Brian's Mail list account
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I opened up my computer yesterday t9o be greeted by Pane.
I eventually managed to fiddle and find the desktop. On asking around the
sighted world this morning I discovered that Dropbox latest version puts up
a picture on every boot up showing a dog doing work, promoting the business
Dropbox subscription. Its a cartoon apparently. However whatever ist is
nvda/f1 says its a button not focussed and has an exception number.
Has anyone else not seen this?

I personally feel that if they want to advertise, then fine but at least
make it obvious its them to a screenreader user.
Blimey.
Brian
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Re: rescue disc for the blind?

Ian Blackburn
 

I probably wouldn’t try and rescue the computer I would take the hard drive out of it and connect it to a working computer and extract the documents
A good few years ago I did do voluntary work fixing old computers sometimes it’s been three days getting it working and then it will just crash
I no longer do this sort of volunteering
I wonder if you could approach a recycling computer place and find a more recent machine for the person
I have used recycled computers for a while now
Regards Ian


On 2 Feb 2019, at 12:26 pm, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:

I have had ram sticks fail, and ports fail.

I have had also got things that just went with unexpected results.

A video card or tv card can do dammage a lot of that.

A busted user profile to but who knows.



On 2/02/2019 8:11 AM, Gene wrote:
I suspect the problem is hardware-related unless something very unusual happened such as a power failure during a defrag or some other maintenance that moves information around such as check disk.  You may find something you can use as you wish but before putting much time and effort into working with the machine, I think a sighted person should say what the screen states.  For all we know, this could be a motherboard problem and the machine may not even get to the point where BIOS is being loaded.  Or it may be a hard drive problem.
 
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 12:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] rescue disc for the blind?

A friend has an old DELL XP that, as he puts it, finally crashed. When I pressed for more detail, all he could tell me was that windows wasn't loading and JAWS wasn't coming on. After 20 minutes trying, and failing, to extract some more useful information, I finally resolved to trying to locate a recovery disc image, an image that had a lot of tools to possibly repair the system or transfer files from the hard drive to an external place. I could not find any for the blind. Could someone direct me to similar recovery disc images that have speech output or similar? Thanks in advance. He does not have his initial XP recovery disc.
Re: rescue disc for the blind?

Shaun Everiss
 

I have had ram sticks fail, and ports fail.

I have had also got things that just went with unexpected results.

A video card or tv card can do dammage a lot of that.

A busted user profile to but who knows.



On 2/02/2019 8:11 AM, Gene wrote:
I suspect the problem is hardware-related unless something very unusual happened such as a power failure during a defrag or some other maintenance that moves information around such as check disk.  You may find something you can use as you wish but before putting much time and effort into working with the machine, I think a sighted person should say what the screen states.  For all we know, this could be a motherboard problem and the machine may not even get to the point where BIOS is being loaded.  Or it may be a hard drive problem.
 
Gene
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 12:38 PM
Subject: [nvda] rescue disc for the blind?

A friend has an old DELL XP that, as he puts it, finally crashed. When I pressed for more detail, all he could tell me was that windows wasn't loading and JAWS wasn't coming on. After 20 minutes trying, and failing, to extract some more useful information, I finally resolved to trying to locate a recovery disc image, an image that had a lot of tools to possibly repair the system or transfer files from the hard drive to an external place. I could not find any for the blind. Could someone direct me to similar recovery disc images that have speech output or similar? Thanks in advance. He does not have his initial XP recovery disc.
Re: Finding the comment's section on a YouTube video

Marcio
 

Actually, using the app it's way easier. However, as I'm most of the time using my computer, the app isn't something that I use that often, not really.
Oh yep, I forgot to mention. Using Windows 10 (if it does matter at all) and Firefox :)

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 01/02/2019 22:12, Ian Blackburn escreveu:

I find the comments hard to find as well
I haven’t tried the YouTube app
And different browsers display the content differently
And different operating systems as well
Regards Ian


On 2 Feb 2019, at 8:07 am, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:

Hello folks,
Does anyone know how one can find, perhaps more easily than I've been doing, the comments' section on a YouTube video?
It seems like a bit of a random thing when and where it will appear the way I've doing to reach out it. Using NVDA, I've had to press N much more times than I actually would like to do just to reach the video's description and sometimes it'll be just after the description, sometimes it won't because it simply doesn't appear on any place at all.
So does anyone have any suggestion about it?

P.S.: If it's an offtopic, let me apologize. Just thought, since it has something to do with NVDA, well...

Thanks in advance :)

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Re: Finding the comment's section on a YouTube video

Ian Blackburn
 

I find the comments hard to find as well
I haven’t tried the YouTube app
And different browsers display the content differently
And different operating systems as well
Regards Ian


On 2 Feb 2019, at 8:07 am, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:

Hello folks,
Does anyone know how one can find, perhaps more easily than I've been doing, the comments' section on a YouTube video?
It seems like a bit of a random thing when and where it will appear the way I've doing to reach out it. Using NVDA, I've had to press N much more times than I actually would like to do just to reach the video's description and sometimes it'll be just after the description, sometimes it won't because it simply doesn't appear on any place at all.
So does anyone have any suggestion about it?

P.S.: If it's an offtopic, let me apologize. Just thought, since it has something to do with NVDA, well...

Thanks in advance :)

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Cheers,
Marcio
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Finding the comment's section on a YouTube video

Marcio
 

Hello folks,
Does anyone know how one can find, perhaps more easily than I've been doing, the comments' section on a YouTube video?
It seems like a bit of a random thing when and where it will appear the way I've doing to reach out it. Using NVDA, I've had to press N much more times than I actually would like to do just to reach the video's description and sometimes it'll be just after the description, sometimes it won't because it simply doesn't appear on any place at all.
So does anyone have any suggestion about it?

P.S.: If it's an offtopic, let me apologize. Just thought, since it has something to do with NVDA, well...

Thanks in advance :)

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Cheers,
Marcio
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Re: found extension to play sounds in firefox how to contact developer

Marcio
 

Yes, this is the same, I guess.
At least both of them make the same thing, so...
The only difference that I can think of is that on that Navigational Sounds you have to set manually all the event sounds, which I didn't feel like doing, so I gave up on this.

P.S.: A bit late on this answer, I know, but well.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 01/02/2019 08:03, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io escreveu:

This is the same as  navigational sounds is it? Mozilla told me that due to the new interface it was not possible to do it on an add on.
Brian

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----- Original Message ----- From: "Dennis L" <dennisl1982@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Friday, February 01, 2019 1:43 AM
Subject: [nvda] found extension to play sounds in firefox how to contact developer


Hi, I found an extension to add sounds to Firefox how do I contact the
developer?  Hear is the link.

https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/extra-sounds/?src=search













Re: rescue disc for the blind?

Robert Kingett
 

at post #2. That's what I deduced too. Still, if anyone knows of any rescue packages for the blind, they would be of good use. Plus, I can add these to the NVDA wiki. If I get some links, that is. Thanks in advance, all!
Re: Addon updater

Annette Moore
 

thanks. It let me update this time. When I tried checking for updates after the error, it said no updates were available. I just checked again, and this time, it updated just fine. Thanks again.

Annette

On 2/1/2019 3:19 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Hmmm. I think you hit the timeout issue mentioned by some on this list: after getting a notice about NVDA add-on updates, you must act within five minutes to download updates for some add-ons (mostly add-ons with source code hosted on GitHub).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette Moore
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 1:17 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

It's NVDA 2018.4.1. No, I usually just turn the computer on, leave the room, let it do its booting, then come in a few minutes later once it's booted up.

Annette

On 2/1/2019 3:05 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Okay, what is the version of NVDA you are using? Also, when you get a notification about Emoticons update, did you say "update" within five minutes of getting it?
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Annette
Moore
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 12:44 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

I went to manually update add-on updater last night, it said I already had the latest stable version, but this morning, when I turned on the computer, it said there was an update to the emoticons add-on, I tried updating, it gave an error, and now, when I check for updates, it says there are none available. either I have the wrong add-on updater, or the emoticons add-on update was erased or something. I just checked, and yes, I do have the latest version: 19.02.1A. So hmm, maybe it just thought there was an update to the emoticons add-on. LOL! No big deal, I just thought I'd put it out there.

Annette

On 2/1/2019 12:21 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
No, if you go to community add-ons page and select Add-on Updater/stable version link, you'll get 19.02.1A.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob
Kruger
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 10:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

Joseph, issue there is that the version offered via the webpage is only wintenApps-19.02.nvda-addon, and, not wintenApps-19.02.1a.nvda-addon?


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
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On 2019-02-01 5:09 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:
Hi,
Fixed in Add-on Updater 19.02.1A.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Jonathan Milam
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 7:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Addon updater

Same here.

Jonathan

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Friday, February 1, 2019 9:15 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Addon updater

Running latest released version of NVDA not alpha. Get a update notice to update the addon update addon. If I say ok to update I get a message that the addon is not compatible with my version of NVDA. Get this addon update notice every time I start NVDA.
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