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Re: NVDA Issues.

Life My Way
 

Ok, it did not work to disable add ons it still happens anyplace i use the numpad insert control f i get formating information instead of the find that nvda is supposed to be doing.


On 6/14/2016 10:38 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I haven't seen this behaviour before, but if you have a specific situation that this happens consistently in, could you please try restarting with addons disabled and see if it still happens?

To restart with addons disabled, press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "Restart with addons disabled" and press ENTER (you'll need to have "show exit options when exiting NVDA checked in NVDA's general settings).

If it does still happen with addons disabled, please let me know.  If It doesn't still happen with addons disabled, could you please list the addons that you are using  (NVDA+n then go to "tools" then "manage add ons" to see the list).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Life My Way via Groups.io <lifemyway@...> wrote:

i also have the check box checked in the keyboard settings to use the numpad insert that is also checked.


On 6/14/2016 10:01 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi there,

So you're saying if you use extended insert in the NVDA+control+f command it works but not numpad insert+control+f?

Does numpad insert work for other NVDA commands?

If not, the two likely options are that you have numlock turned on, or that you perhaps in NVDA's keyboard settings have unchecked to use "numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key".  You can get to those settings by pressing NVDA+control+k or NVDA+n then choose preferences then keyboard settings (using whichever NVDA modifier key is working).

In terms of not saving settings, NVDA has a checkbox "Save settings on exit" in its general settings (NVDA+control+g or NVDA+n then preferences then general).  As long as that is set, the current settings should be saved when you exit NVDA.  If you don't exit NVDA but rather shut the computer down, they should still be saved as long as you do shut the computer down and don't just hold the power button down or pull the power cord out etc.

If you don't have that setting enabled, you can manually save settings from the NVDA menu.

The other thing that can cause settings to change is if you save configuration profiles for different programs (NVDA+n then choose "Configuration profiles").  There's more on configuration profiles in the NVDA user guide at: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc79  or more in depth instructions and activities in the NVDA training material at: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Life My Way via Groups.io <lifemyway@...> wrote:
Ok, i have some questions and hopefully something can be done.
My first question is about the find comand nvda control f the regular nvda control f for me does not work weather i use a whireless or USB computer keyboard.
the extended nvda control f works but I am used to the regular way of doing things; Yes i set up a different hot key  combo but would perfer to be able to use the regular nvda control f.
on a lap top i also have that key combo works fine.
and no i do not have the laptop layout on in nvda on my desktop.
Now as to the other question every so offten nvda goes into a read only mode.
That you can not save any settings why is this? and how can you fix it.
The only way i can fix it is by taking the half read only away from the folder.
but when i do i can not still save settings when shutting nvda down it will not come back when doing  alt control n.
So please help!!!!!!






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Re: Announcing NVDA 2016.2.1RS1 (20160613)

mk360
 

The problem is one can't choose if windows 10 home edition updates or not, only the time to restart and install updates. So probably the windows of some people (including my self) will be updated automatically.

Regards,
mk.

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 7:12 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi,

The Anniversary Update (Redstone) is in the final development phase, so once it is officially released, your computer will upgrade it. But please hold off until NVDA 2016.3, as I, Jamie, Mick and others are working on some fixes at the moment.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arianna Sepulveda
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing NVDA 2016.2.1RS1 (20160613)

 

Joseph, I've been a little confused by windows 10 and this Redstone thing. I am using Windows 10 home edition, so I don't have any control over what and when updates are installed. Do I need to be worried about Redstone? I don't want to suddenly find myself upgraded to it, and to be running a version of NVDA that doesn't work well with it, and not be able to get this try build version of NVDA onto my computer.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Some of you may recall a message I sent a few days ago announcing a try build of NVDA that supports Redstone. The update to this build is now out:

https://t.co/WasodNKlh5

 

Overview:

·         Includes features and sacrifices from NVDA 2016.2.1 (due to issues, grammar error announcement is gone in 2016.2.1 until a better solution is found).

·         Based on latest NVDA master (live beta) snapshot. Don’t worry if you hear error tones.

·         This build is optimized for Windows 10 Anniversary Update Preview build 14342 or later. The recommended build is 14361.

 

Differences from regular NVDA 2016.2.1 release:

·         Does not support updates.

·         Based on development branch code.

·         Do not install this build unless if you’d like to try out several items outlined below.

·         Due to ever-changing nature of Windows 10, updated builds of this kind will be released if accessibility fixes are required after Microsoft releases Insider builds.

·         Important: This is a third-party build. If you’d like to use snapshots from NV Access, please use either master or next snapshots, or use the latest released version (2016.2.1).

 

Changelog:

·         Redesigned UAC dialog is now announced (if you install this try build). In recent Redstone builds, UAC dialog has received a complete redesign – no longer a desktop dialog, it is now powered by Universal Windows Platform. This means all screen readers are affected when it comes to announcing UAC prompts.

·         NVDA now announces contents of sign-in and other secure screens in Redstone and other Windows 10 builds (also includes Threshold (10240 and 10586) builds).

·         You can now activate password edit box if you’re using touchscreens (may not work properly; don’t worry, all the provisions are there).

·         NVDA will announce status messages if you type a wrong password.

·         Browse mode makes a partial return in Microsoft Edge (ironically, it does not work in Edge itself, but it does work in Feedback Hub app).

 

Important things to note on current Windows 10 Redstone builds:

·         Invalid entry announcement: gone in build 14361 (a XAML (eXtensible Application Markup Language) markup problem in universal apps framework is to blame).

·         If you are using build 14361 and if you happen to restart NVDA, Start search suggestions will not be announced. The workaround is to launch Narrator, do a search, and then NVDA will start announcing suggestions (likely an issue with unresponsive or slow UI Automation).

·         Certain dialogs are not recognized as dialogs nor contents are announced. I’m actively hunting for these dialogs (partly caused by UI Automation tagging issue where NV Access and Microsoft have differing opinions on what a dialog is).

 

Contributing code: if you’d like to see the beauty of this build and/or help fix Windows 10 issues, please let me know. As always, source code of this and other NVDA artifacts can be obtained from the following location:

http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda

My own lab of NVDA code (where I have several experimental branches not found in NV Access repository) can be found at:

http://github.com/josephsl/nvda

 

Sending feedback: If you have feedback regarding this build, please send them to me directly (joseph.lee22590@...), via Twitter at @joslee or Facebook at josephsl. Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox

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Re: NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox

Jacob Kruger
 


What I found is that, as long as I generally keep webvisum add-on disabled in firefox, the combination works fine - same windows 10 64 bit OS, and latest NVDA - and, can still turn on webvisum when I know I will need to use it to handle a captcha, but, both firefox and NVDA sort of immediately go into a go-slow mode if it's turned on.
 
Stay well

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Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile, acceptance is versatile"

----- Original Message -----
Sent: 15 June, 2016 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox

Hi,
I use 64-bit version of Windows 10 and NVDA 2016.2.1 without any problems. Both Mozilla product, Fireworks and Thunderbird work correctly.

Regards,
Tea Turkovic
Dana 6/15/2016 9:32 AM, Simone Dal Maso je napisao:

>

> this is a problem on windows10.
> For example on windows7 I can use Firefox without problem. On Windows10 Firefox is slow and Thunderbird simply unusable. It is not a NVDA problem, there is something that I don't know between Mozilla products and Win10, but only on certain circumstances.
> Try the 64 bit version.
>
>
> Il 14/06/2016 23:37, Dave Grossoehme ha scritto:

>>

>> Good Afternoon:  How do you get Firefox to not speak busy when you go to
>> a web site?
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Brian's Mail list account
>> <bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     Yes I often find though that the biggest slowing is when programs
>>     are booting in for the first time. This is indeed often due to the
>>     operating system allocating resources in a clumsy way, which is why
>>     it appears to be nvda doing it as its hooked in to many bits of
>>     software all the time.
>>     Brian
>>
>>     bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
>>     Sent via blueyonder.
>>     Please address personal email to:-
>>     briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting
>>     'Brian Gaff'
>>     in the display name field.
>>     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Fisher"
>>     <andrefisher729@... <mailto:andrefisher729@...>>
>>     To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>     Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 6:57 PM
>>     Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox
>>
>>
>>     NVDA is not being unresponsive, your computer is. These types of
>>     activities are certainly not recommended for older operating systems.
>>     What's more? You are using an outdated version of NVDA.
>>
>>     On 6/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...
>>     <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:
>>
>>         hi.
>>         i tested your problem and took the same result.
>>         i use windows xp not powerful hardware nvda 2015.3 and firefox 41.
>>         when i open many apps together nvda becomes very slow, not
>>         responsive
>>         and difficult to use.
>>         it happens specially for example: when i am sending one file in the
>>         skype and also opened many apps and many tab in my firefox browser.
>>         in most cases, i quit nvda and open it again to resolve the issue.
>>         also sometimes maybe you open a graphical website that makes your
>>         system slow and its very hevy to load.
>>         hope thats help and god bless you.
>>
>>         On 6/8/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>         wrote:
>>
>>             NVdA, if it slows down, doesn't slow down as you reported
>>             last year.
>>             I've
>>             never seen the kinds of slow downs you described last year
>>             attributed to
>>             NVDA.
>>
>>             Gene
>>
>>
>>             From: Sharni-Lee Ward
>>             Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:55 AM
>>             To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>             Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox
>>
>>
>>             I haven't noticed this so much with Firefox, but I have
>>             noticed this a
>>             couple times over the last few days in the ordinary system.
>>             I don't have
>>             heaps of RAM like the person who gave their specs, but I
>>             have had this
>>             problem crop up every now and again over the years. Usually,
>>             I can
>>             restart NVDA without having to restart the computer, but
>>             when it came to
>>             my Braille Display, things would lock up to the point where
>>             I'd have to
>>             restart the entire system, sometimes requiring sighted help
>>             to do so. If
>>             this hasn't been just me, then all those scans I did last
>>             year to try
>>             and make everything run faster weren't effective because it
>>             wasn't my
>>             system's fault. It was NVDA not responding. That is, of
>>             course, if the
>>             problems are more widespread than I first thought.
>>
>>
>>             On 8/06/2016 5:08 PM, Mário Navarro wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>                 NVDA is not just slow in browsers, but also in the system.
>>                 after browsing for a while, it starts to get slow and I
>>                 have to turn
>>                 off and on to get normal again.
>>                 and my pc is a good machine with I5 processor, 4 RAM ..
>>                 with jaws these occurrences do not happen.
>>                 I now use the jaws 17 full-time for these reasons.
>>                 jaws is not slow in any situation like this occurred
>>                 with NVDA.
>>
>>                 I only use 3 extras.
>>                  I do not need anything else.
>>
>>                 NVDA is getting slower and every a new version.
>>                 this makes me worry.
>>
>>                 I think the team of NVDA has to think about this with
>>                 more seriously.
>>
>>                 cheers.
>>                 Às 01:25 de 08/06/2016, Kwork escreveu:
>>
>>                     Yes, but I've had this behavior in all three of the
>>                     main browsers,
>>                     with both
>>                     NVDA and Jaws, so I just close and re-open Firefox,
>>                     my main browser,
>>                     once in
>>                     a while, and only use the others when necessary.
>>                     Win 7, 64-bit.
>>                     Travis
>>                     ----- Original Message -----
>>                     From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...
>>                     <mailto:captinlogic@...>>
>>                     To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>                     Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:03 AM
>>                     Subject: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox
>>
>>
>>                     System: Windows 7, NVDA 2016.2, Firefox, any version.
>>                     This has always been an ongoing problem, but it
>>                     seems to be more
>>                     prevalent
>>                     now.
>>                     If you have a number of tabs open in Firefox, NVDA
>>                     will begin to slow
>>                     down
>>                     appreciably in the program. Responses to key presses
>>                     are delayed and
>>                     using
>>                     the browser becomes problematic and inefficient. The
>>                     only solution is
>>                     to
>>                     restart firefox.
>>                     In previous versions of NVDA, this decrease in
>>                     responsivness took a
>>                     while to
>>                     manifest--sometimes I could work for a whole day and
>>                     NVDA would not
>>                     slow
>>                     down until the next.
>>                     However, now it barely takes six to ten hours for
>>                     this slowness to
>>                     occur.
>>                     The only way to reproduce this step is to to work in
>>                     Firefox for a
>>                     while,
>>                     with a number of tabs open.
>>                     I do not know if this same slowness occurs in
>>                     Internet Explorer,
>>                     Chrome or
>>                     Edge.
>>                     I would like to know if others have experienced this
>>                     decrease in
>>                     performance, and what--if any--solutions are
>>                     available to counteract
>>                     this
>>                     problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                     .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         --
>>         Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
>>         written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who]
>>         enjoins them
>>         good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
>>         and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them
>>         their
>>         burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
>>         believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light
>>         which
>>         has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
>>         holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
>>         best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>         al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


Re: NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox

Tea Turković
 

Hi,
I use 64-bit version of Windows 10 and NVDA 2016.2.1 without any problems. Both Mozilla product, Fireworks and Thunderbird work correctly.

Regards,
Tea Turkovic
Dana 6/15/2016 9:32 AM, Simone Dal Maso je napisao:

>

> this is a problem on windows10.
> For example on windows7 I can use Firefox without problem. On Windows10 Firefox is slow and Thunderbird simply unusable. It is not a NVDA problem, there is something that I don't know between Mozilla products and Win10, but only on certain circumstances.
> Try the 64 bit version.
>
>
> Il 14/06/2016 23:37, Dave Grossoehme ha scritto:

>>

>> Good Afternoon:  How do you get Firefox to not speak busy when you go to
>> a web site?
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Brian's Mail list account
>> <bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>> wrote:
>>
>>     Yes I often find though that the biggest slowing is when programs
>>     are booting in for the first time. This is indeed often due to the
>>     operating system allocating resources in a clumsy way, which is why
>>     it appears to be nvda doing it as its hooked in to many bits of
>>     software all the time.
>>     Brian
>>
>>     bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...>
>>     Sent via blueyonder.
>>     Please address personal email to:-
>>     briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...>, putting
>>     'Brian Gaff'
>>     in the display name field.
>>     ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Fisher"
>>     <andrefisher729@... <mailto:andrefisher729@...>>
>>     To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>     Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 6:57 PM
>>     Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox
>>
>>
>>     NVDA is not being unresponsive, your computer is. These types of
>>     activities are certainly not recommended for older operating systems.
>>     What's more? You are using an outdated version of NVDA.
>>
>>     On 6/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...
>>     <mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@...>> wrote:
>>
>>         hi.
>>         i tested your problem and took the same result.
>>         i use windows xp not powerful hardware nvda 2015.3 and firefox 41.
>>         when i open many apps together nvda becomes very slow, not
>>         responsive
>>         and difficult to use.
>>         it happens specially for example: when i am sending one file in the
>>         skype and also opened many apps and many tab in my firefox browser.
>>         in most cases, i quit nvda and open it again to resolve the issue.
>>         also sometimes maybe you open a graphical website that makes your
>>         system slow and its very hevy to load.
>>         hope thats help and god bless you.
>>
>>         On 6/8/16, Gene <gsasner@... <mailto:gsasner@...>>
>>         wrote:
>>
>>             NVdA, if it slows down, doesn't slow down as you reported
>>             last year.
>>             I've
>>             never seen the kinds of slow downs you described last year
>>             attributed to
>>             NVDA.
>>
>>             Gene
>>
>>
>>             From: Sharni-Lee Ward
>>             Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:55 AM
>>             To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>             Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox
>>
>>
>>             I haven't noticed this so much with Firefox, but I have
>>             noticed this a
>>             couple times over the last few days in the ordinary system.
>>             I don't have
>>             heaps of RAM like the person who gave their specs, but I
>>             have had this
>>             problem crop up every now and again over the years. Usually,
>>             I can
>>             restart NVDA without having to restart the computer, but
>>             when it came to
>>             my Braille Display, things would lock up to the point where
>>             I'd have to
>>             restart the entire system, sometimes requiring sighted help
>>             to do so. If
>>             this hasn't been just me, then all those scans I did last
>>             year to try
>>             and make everything run faster weren't effective because it
>>             wasn't my
>>             system's fault. It was NVDA not responding. That is, of
>>             course, if the
>>             problems are more widespread than I first thought.
>>
>>
>>             On 8/06/2016 5:08 PM, Mário Navarro wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>                 NVDA is not just slow in browsers, but also in the system.
>>                 after browsing for a while, it starts to get slow and I
>>                 have to turn
>>                 off and on to get normal again.
>>                 and my pc is a good machine with I5 processor, 4 RAM ..
>>                 with jaws these occurrences do not happen.
>>                 I now use the jaws 17 full-time for these reasons.
>>                 jaws is not slow in any situation like this occurred
>>                 with NVDA.
>>
>>                 I only use 3 extras.
>>                  I do not need anything else.
>>
>>                 NVDA is getting slower and every a new version.
>>                 this makes me worry.
>>
>>                 I think the team of NVDA has to think about this with
>>                 more seriously.
>>
>>                 cheers.
>>                 Às 01:25 de 08/06/2016, Kwork escreveu:
>>
>>                     Yes, but I've had this behavior in all three of the
>>                     main browsers,
>>                     with both
>>                     NVDA and Jaws, so I just close and re-open Firefox,
>>                     my main browser,
>>                     once in
>>                     a while, and only use the others when necessary.
>>                     Win 7, 64-bit.
>>                     Travis
>>                     ----- Original Message -----
>>                     From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...
>>                     <mailto:captinlogic@...>>
>>                     To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>>
>>                     Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:03 AM
>>                     Subject: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox
>>
>>
>>                     System: Windows 7, NVDA 2016.2, Firefox, any version.
>>                     This has always been an ongoing problem, but it
>>                     seems to be more
>>                     prevalent
>>                     now.
>>                     If you have a number of tabs open in Firefox, NVDA
>>                     will begin to slow
>>                     down
>>                     appreciably in the program. Responses to key presses
>>                     are delayed and
>>                     using
>>                     the browser becomes problematic and inefficient. The
>>                     only solution is
>>                     to
>>                     restart firefox.
>>                     In previous versions of NVDA, this decrease in
>>                     responsivness took a
>>                     while to
>>                     manifest--sometimes I could work for a whole day and
>>                     NVDA would not
>>                     slow
>>                     down until the next.
>>                     However, now it barely takes six to ten hours for
>>                     this slowness to
>>                     occur.
>>                     The only way to reproduce this step is to to work in
>>                     Firefox for a
>>                     while,
>>                     with a number of tabs open.
>>                     I do not know if this same slowness occurs in
>>                     Internet Explorer,
>>                     Chrome or
>>                     Edge.
>>                     I would like to know if others have experienced this
>>                     decrease in
>>                     performance, and what--if any--solutions are
>>                     available to counteract
>>                     this
>>                     problem.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                     .
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         --
>>         Those who follow the Messenger-Prophet, the Ummi, whom they find
>>         written down with them in the Taurat and the Injeel [who]
>>         enjoins them
>>         good and forbids them evil, and makes lawful to them the good things
>>         and makes unlawful to them impure things, and removes from them
>>         their
>>         burden and the shackles which were upon them; so [as for] those who
>>         believe in him and honor him and help him, and follow the light
>>         which
>>         has been sent down with him, these it is that are the successful.
>>         holy quran, chapter 7, verse 157.
>>         best website for studying islamic book in different languages
>>         al-islam.org <http://al-islam.org>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


Re: NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox

Semirhage
 

I use outlook express on my windows 10, and edge for searches.
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.


Re: NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox

Simone Dal Maso
 

this is a problem on windows10.
For example on windows7 I can use Firefox without problem. On Windows10 Firefox is slow and Thunderbird simply unusable. It is not a NVDA problem, there is something that I don't know between Mozilla products and Win10, but only on certain circumstances.
Try the 64 bit version.

Il 14/06/2016 23:37, Dave Grossoehme ha scritto:
Good Afternoon: How do you get Firefox to not speak busy when you go to
a web site?

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Brian's Mail list account
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Yes I often find though that the biggest slowing is when programs
are booting in for the first time. This is indeed often due to the
operating system allocating resources in a clumsy way, which is why
it appears to be nvda doing it as its hooked in to many bits of
software all the time.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox


NVDA is not being unresponsive, your computer is. These types of
activities are certainly not recommended for older operating systems.
What's more? You are using an outdated version of NVDA.

On 6/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com
<mailto:nasrinkhaksar3@gmail.com>> wrote:

hi.
i tested your problem and took the same result.
i use windows xp not powerful hardware nvda 2015.3 and firefox 41.
when i open many apps together nvda becomes very slow, not
responsive
and difficult to use.
it happens specially for example: when i am sending one file in the
skype and also opened many apps and many tab in my firefox browser.
in most cases, i quit nvda and open it again to resolve the issue.
also sometimes maybe you open a graphical website that makes your
system slow and its very hevy to load.
hope thats help and god bless you.

On 6/8/16, Gene <gsasner@ripco.com <mailto:gsasner@ripco.com>>
wrote:

NVdA, if it slows down, doesn't slow down as you reported
last year.
I've
never seen the kinds of slow downs you described last year
attributed to
NVDA.

Gene


From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox


I haven't noticed this so much with Firefox, but I have
noticed this a
couple times over the last few days in the ordinary system.
I don't have
heaps of RAM like the person who gave their specs, but I
have had this
problem crop up every now and again over the years. Usually,
I can
restart NVDA without having to restart the computer, but
when it came to
my Braille Display, things would lock up to the point where
I'd have to
restart the entire system, sometimes requiring sighted help
to do so. If
this hasn't been just me, then all those scans I did last
year to try
and make everything run faster weren't effective because it
wasn't my
system's fault. It was NVDA not responding. That is, of
course, if the
problems are more widespread than I first thought.


On 8/06/2016 5:08 PM, Mário Navarro wrote:



NVDA is not just slow in browsers, but also in the system.
after browsing for a while, it starts to get slow and I
have to turn
off and on to get normal again.
and my pc is a good machine with I5 processor, 4 RAM ..
with jaws these occurrences do not happen.
I now use the jaws 17 full-time for these reasons.
jaws is not slow in any situation like this occurred
with NVDA.

I only use 3 extras.
I do not need anything else.

NVDA is getting slower and every a new version.
this makes me worry.

I think the team of NVDA has to think about this with
more seriously.

cheers.
Às 01:25 de 08/06/2016, Kwork escreveu:

Yes, but I've had this behavior in all three of the
main browsers,
with both
NVDA and Jaws, so I just close and re-open Firefox,
my main browser,
once in
a while, and only use the others when necessary.
Win 7, 64-bit.
Travis
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Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox


System: Windows 7, NVDA 2016.2, Firefox, any version.
This has always been an ongoing problem, but it
seems to be more
prevalent
now.
If you have a number of tabs open in Firefox, NVDA
will begin to slow
down
appreciably in the program. Responses to key presses
are delayed and
using
the browser becomes problematic and inefficient. The
only solution is
to
restart firefox.
In previous versions of NVDA, this decrease in
responsivness took a
while to
manifest--sometimes I could work for a whole day and
NVDA would not
slow
down until the next.
However, now it barely takes six to ten hours for
this slowness to
occur.
The only way to reproduce this step is to to work in
Firefox for a
while,
with a number of tabs open.
I do not know if this same slowness occurs in
Internet Explorer,
Chrome or
Edge.
I would like to know if others have experienced this
decrease in
performance, and what--if any--solutions are
available to counteract
this
problem.






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Re: Interesting news

David Moore
 

Hi,
I have always said that one should use JAWS, NVDA, and even Narrator. All three screen readers can do a task that the other two cannot. JAWS can do tasks that NVDA cannot do, like putting all the words in a document into a list, but NVDA can allow one to navigate the screen with the mouse much more than JAWS. Narrator works great in the win10 Mail app, for example. So, it is not one screenreader over another, it is using all of the tools to maximize what you can do and be efficient.
Take care.
 
 

From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Interesting news
 
I don't have to agree with it.  You may not like certain default settings JAWS uses but that's a completely different question.

As has been said innumerable times before, they both have there advantages and disadvantages..
But I can make NVDA do certain things as a user that I cannot make JAWS do.  If I knew the necessary scripting language, I might be able to do so but user configurability is still an area in which NVDA is behind.  There may be technical reasons for this but I'm talking about what exists, not why. 

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Interesting news
 
One thing you have to agree with is that NVDA is ten times the screen reader that JAWS. That automatic forms mode is a pain. It activates whenever there's a forms field.
If Mocrosoft bought NVDA, that would solve their screen reader problem. Let NVDA continue to do their work with the screen reader aspect, and they just touch base with Microsoft to make sure everything works.
Chris


On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:58 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:


I guess also it would solve a lot of access problems as well around the world. I mean as to go up to any computer any where running Windows and use a screen reader. You can not really say narrator is one or if it is very basic. funny thing is that I did not know how many shortcuts etc it actually had until I looked at a list of shortcuts for it.
That is narrator.
If that was to happen they don't want it locked down you still want them to innovate.


Then again there is no reason why a government or governments can not just buy this project and pay there wages and flick off all the stuff that is plugged into the government
I mean as in a lot of countries there are certain projects for the blind and visually impaired that get there funding from the government no names mentioned.

These times are changing and hopefully prices will come down for adaptive technologies or the smart phone will do a lot more for us.

For example the new braille orbit reader that is coming out and will it be supported by NVDA?

Gene nz


like we have here.


On 15/06/2016 7:07 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I hear you and I'm a proud supporter of NVDA.  Here's my thinking though, and I'm sure it won't be popular but here goes.
 
Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to head the project.  Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built into windows.  That really rips up the open source model and that's bad; however, It trades narrater for a high end professional product for windows users across the board.  It could also be that in this sinareo, usb drivers for many supported braille displays would become plug and play supported with windows via the built in NVDA.  That would really be huge for some one like John.  Suddenly a person who is deaf-blind could have access to install or upgrade their own copy of windows, handle their own registration, and not have to have a sighted person drop buy to download packages off the internet and fiddle with wizards.
 
Apple desktop and mobile solutions already have this and android as it as well.  Windows is way behind and acquiring NVDA could be a great way to catch up to the pack as long as the quality of the product continues to be high.
 
Best,
 
Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android! 
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:
 
On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:11 AM, multi 85 <multi851@...> wrote:
 
Now there really is a David versus Goliath and thank goodness for
NVDA, because we'd definitely have very little innovation with this
new move if NVDA didn't exist. Must support.
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Re: NVDA Issues.

Quentin Christensen
 

I haven't seen this behaviour before, but if you have a specific situation that this happens consistently in, could you please try restarting with addons disabled and see if it still happens?

To restart with addons disabled, press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "Restart with addons disabled" and press ENTER (you'll need to have "show exit options when exiting NVDA checked in NVDA's general settings).

If it does still happen with addons disabled, please let me know.  If It doesn't still happen with addons disabled, could you please list the addons that you are using  (NVDA+n then go to "tools" then "manage add ons" to see the list).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Life My Way via Groups.io <lifemyway@...> wrote:

i also have the check box checked in the keyboard settings to use the numpad insert that is also checked.


On 6/14/2016 10:01 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi there,

So you're saying if you use extended insert in the NVDA+control+f command it works but not numpad insert+control+f?

Does numpad insert work for other NVDA commands?

If not, the two likely options are that you have numlock turned on, or that you perhaps in NVDA's keyboard settings have unchecked to use "numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key".  You can get to those settings by pressing NVDA+control+k or NVDA+n then choose preferences then keyboard settings (using whichever NVDA modifier key is working).

In terms of not saving settings, NVDA has a checkbox "Save settings on exit" in its general settings (NVDA+control+g or NVDA+n then preferences then general).  As long as that is set, the current settings should be saved when you exit NVDA.  If you don't exit NVDA but rather shut the computer down, they should still be saved as long as you do shut the computer down and don't just hold the power button down or pull the power cord out etc.

If you don't have that setting enabled, you can manually save settings from the NVDA menu.

The other thing that can cause settings to change is if you save configuration profiles for different programs (NVDA+n then choose "Configuration profiles").  There's more on configuration profiles in the NVDA user guide at: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc79  or more in depth instructions and activities in the NVDA training material at: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Life My Way via Groups.io <lifemyway@...> wrote:
Ok, i have some questions and hopefully something can be done.
My first question is about the find comand nvda control f the regular nvda control f for me does not work weather i use a whireless or USB computer keyboard.
the extended nvda control f works but I am used to the regular way of doing things; Yes i set up a different hot key  combo but would perfer to be able to use the regular nvda control f.
on a lap top i also have that key combo works fine.
and no i do not have the laptop layout on in nvda on my desktop.
Now as to the other question every so offten nvda goes into a read only mode.
That you can not save any settings why is this? and how can you fix it.
The only way i can fix it is by taking the half read only away from the folder.
but when i do i can not still save settings when shutting nvda down it will not come back when doing  alt control n.
So please help!!!!!!






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Re: libra office?

 

Danni,

          If by "shut off the chatter" you mean to stop NVDA from speaking while you type, etc., you can use NVDA Key+S to toggle speech mode.  I also use the No Beeps Speech Mode NVDA add-on so that I either have speech or silence, as there is a third feedback using beeps which I have no use for.  The NVDA Key+S is a true on/off toggle for speech if you use that add-on, otherwise it is a cycling switch between, off, beep mode, and speech mode.
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Re: NVDA Issues.

Life My Way
 

i also have the check box checked in the keyboard settings to use the numpad insert that is also checked.


On 6/14/2016 10:01 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi there,

So you're saying if you use extended insert in the NVDA+control+f command it works but not numpad insert+control+f?

Does numpad insert work for other NVDA commands?

If not, the two likely options are that you have numlock turned on, or that you perhaps in NVDA's keyboard settings have unchecked to use "numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key".  You can get to those settings by pressing NVDA+control+k or NVDA+n then choose preferences then keyboard settings (using whichever NVDA modifier key is working).

In terms of not saving settings, NVDA has a checkbox "Save settings on exit" in its general settings (NVDA+control+g or NVDA+n then preferences then general).  As long as that is set, the current settings should be saved when you exit NVDA.  If you don't exit NVDA but rather shut the computer down, they should still be saved as long as you do shut the computer down and don't just hold the power button down or pull the power cord out etc.

If you don't have that setting enabled, you can manually save settings from the NVDA menu.

The other thing that can cause settings to change is if you save configuration profiles for different programs (NVDA+n then choose "Configuration profiles").  There's more on configuration profiles in the NVDA user guide at: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc79  or more in depth instructions and activities in the NVDA training material at: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Life My Way via Groups.io <lifemyway@...> wrote:
Ok, i have some questions and hopefully something can be done.
My first question is about the find comand nvda control f the regular nvda control f for me does not work weather i use a whireless or USB computer keyboard.
the extended nvda control f works but I am used to the regular way of doing things; Yes i set up a different hot key  combo but would perfer to be able to use the regular nvda control f.
on a lap top i also have that key combo works fine.
and no i do not have the laptop layout on in nvda on my desktop.
Now as to the other question every so offten nvda goes into a read only mode.
That you can not save any settings why is this? and how can you fix it.
The only way i can fix it is by taking the half read only away from the folder.
but when i do i can not still save settings when shutting nvda down it will not come back when doing  alt control n.
So please help!!!!!!






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Re: NVDA Issues.

Life My Way
 

First Of all the other comands that the Insert key on the numpad that NVDA uses work just fine. it is just the NVDA Control F which the nvda key is the one on the numpad that  i am refering to.

as to the saving i have that check box checked in preferences general.

But like i said for some reason that i don't know it will sometimes to into read only mode.

What i find interesting is that on the laptop I have the NVDA control F works fine using the numpad on the laptop which has a full sized keyboard.


On 6/14/2016 10:01 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi there,

So you're saying if you use extended insert in the NVDA+control+f command it works but not numpad insert+control+f?

Does numpad insert work for other NVDA commands?

If not, the two likely options are that you have numlock turned on, or that you perhaps in NVDA's keyboard settings have unchecked to use "numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key".  You can get to those settings by pressing NVDA+control+k or NVDA+n then choose preferences then keyboard settings (using whichever NVDA modifier key is working).

In terms of not saving settings, NVDA has a checkbox "Save settings on exit" in its general settings (NVDA+control+g or NVDA+n then preferences then general).  As long as that is set, the current settings should be saved when you exit NVDA.  If you don't exit NVDA but rather shut the computer down, they should still be saved as long as you do shut the computer down and don't just hold the power button down or pull the power cord out etc.

If you don't have that setting enabled, you can manually save settings from the NVDA menu.

The other thing that can cause settings to change is if you save configuration profiles for different programs (NVDA+n then choose "Configuration profiles").  There's more on configuration profiles in the NVDA user guide at: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc79  or more in depth instructions and activities in the NVDA training material at: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Life My Way via Groups.io <lifemyway@...> wrote:
Ok, i have some questions and hopefully something can be done.
My first question is about the find comand nvda control f the regular nvda control f for me does not work weather i use a whireless or USB computer keyboard.
the extended nvda control f works but I am used to the regular way of doing things; Yes i set up a different hot key  combo but would perfer to be able to use the regular nvda control f.
on a lap top i also have that key combo works fine.
and no i do not have the laptop layout on in nvda on my desktop.
Now as to the other question every so offten nvda goes into a read only mode.
That you can not save any settings why is this? and how can you fix it.
The only way i can fix it is by taking the half read only away from the folder.
but when i do i can not still save settings when shutting nvda down it will not come back when doing  alt control n.
So please help!!!!!!






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: NVDA Issues.

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi there,

So you're saying if you use extended insert in the NVDA+control+f command it works but not numpad insert+control+f?

Does numpad insert work for other NVDA commands?

If not, the two likely options are that you have numlock turned on, or that you perhaps in NVDA's keyboard settings have unchecked to use "numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key".  You can get to those settings by pressing NVDA+control+k or NVDA+n then choose preferences then keyboard settings (using whichever NVDA modifier key is working).

In terms of not saving settings, NVDA has a checkbox "Save settings on exit" in its general settings (NVDA+control+g or NVDA+n then preferences then general).  As long as that is set, the current settings should be saved when you exit NVDA.  If you don't exit NVDA but rather shut the computer down, they should still be saved as long as you do shut the computer down and don't just hold the power button down or pull the power cord out etc.

If you don't have that setting enabled, you can manually save settings from the NVDA menu.

The other thing that can cause settings to change is if you save configuration profiles for different programs (NVDA+n then choose "Configuration profiles").  There's more on configuration profiles in the NVDA user guide at: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc79  or more in depth instructions and activities in the NVDA training material at: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Life My Way via Groups.io <lifemyway@...> wrote:
Ok, i have some questions and hopefully something can be done.
My first question is about the find comand nvda control f the regular nvda control f for me does not work weather i use a whireless or USB computer keyboard.
the extended nvda control f works but I am used to the regular way of doing things; Yes i set up a different hot key  combo but would perfer to be able to use the regular nvda control f.
on a lap top i also have that key combo works fine.
and no i do not have the laptop layout on in nvda on my desktop.
Now as to the other question every so offten nvda goes into a read only mode.
That you can not save any settings why is this? and how can you fix it.
The only way i can fix it is by taking the half read only away from the folder.
but when i do i can not still save settings when shutting nvda down it will not come back when doing  alt control n.
So please help!!!!!!






--
Quentin Christensen
Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: Interesting news

Gene
 

I don't have to agree with it.  You may not like certain default settings JAWS uses but that's a completely different question.

As has been said innumerable times before, they both have there advantages and disadvantages..
But I can make NVDA do certain things as a user that I cannot make JAWS do.  If I knew the necessary scripting language, I might be able to do so but user configurability is still an area in which NVDA is behind.  There may be technical reasons for this but I'm talking about what exists, not why. 

Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Interesting news

One thing you have to agree with is that NVDA is ten times the screen reader that JAWS. That automatic forms mode is a pain. It activates whenever there's a forms field.
If Mocrosoft bought NVDA, that would solve their screen reader problem. Let NVDA continue to do their work with the screen reader aspect, and they just touch base with Microsoft to make sure everything works.
Chris


On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:58 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:


I guess also it would solve a lot of access problems as well around the world. I mean as to go up to any computer any where running Windows and use a screen reader. You can not really say narrator is one or if it is very basic. funny thing is that I did not know how many shortcuts etc it actually had until I looked at a list of shortcuts for it.
That is narrator.
If that was to happen they don't want it locked down you still want them to innovate.


Then again there is no reason why a government or governments can not just buy this project and pay there wages and flick off all the stuff that is plugged into the government
I mean as in a lot of countries there are certain projects for the blind and visually impaired that get there funding from the government no names mentioned.

These times are changing and hopefully prices will come down for adaptive technologies or the smart phone will do a lot more for us.

For example the new braille orbit reader that is coming out and will it be supported by NVDA?

Gene nz


 like we have here.


On 15/06/2016 7:07 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I hear you and I'm a proud supporter of NVDA.  Here's my thinking though, and I'm sure it won't be popular but here goes.

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to head the project.  Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built into windows.  That really rips up the open source model and that's bad; however, It trades narrater for a high end professional product for windows users across the board.  It could also be that in this sinareo, usb drivers for many supported braille displays would become plug and play supported with windows via the built in NVDA.  That would really be huge for some one like John.  Suddenly a person who is deaf-blind could have access to install or upgrade their own copy of windows, handle their own registration, and not have to have a sighted person drop buy to download packages off the internet and fiddle with wizards.

Apple desktop and mobile solutions already have this and android as it as well.  Windows is way behind and acquiring NVDA could be a great way to catch up to the pack as long as the quality of the product continues to be high.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:

On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:11 AM, multi 85 <multi851@...> wrote:

Now there really is a David versus Goliath and thank goodness for
NVDA, because we'd definitely have very little innovation with this
new move if NVDA didn't exist. Must support.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html





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libra office?

Danni
 

Is there a way to shut off the chatter from NVDA? it's very annoying!
 

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Re: Interesting news

John J. Boyer
 

As I understand it, NVDA is maintained by a nonprofit and its community.
It can't be sold. However, I hear that Microsoft has partnered with
Cannon to include parts of Ubuntu in Windows 10, so they could partner
with nvaccess as wel. That would certainly be a good idea.

John

On Tue, Jun 14, 2016 at 04:59:05PM -0700, Erik Burggraaf wrote:
Hmmm, Well I don't agree that there wouldn't be anything in buying nvda for microsoft. Right now, microsoft is spending a lot of money to re-invent the wheel. Narrator was one of the first screen readers built into an operating system, and even in windows 10, look how far it hasn't come. Accessibility doesn't really make apple very much money, especially not compared to what they spend on developing it. The accessibility allows apple to keep it's high end government and education contracts and that's why we have it. The fact that it's state of the art is great for us, and that tim cook gets to pat us on the head at wwdc is great for apple and everybody wins. It's not for us though and never will be. As long as it works, I'm willing to tollerate being a turtiary target market for the products I purchase.

As far as NVDA goes, I can't disagree with corporate sponsorship from companies using NVDA in the workplace as long as narrateor continues to be unviable. That doesn't really solve the problem though which is that at the core, windows is inherantly inaccessible, and will continue to be so until it has a full suite of high quality accessibility features built in. Incorporating nvda directly would be a huge piece in that puzzle.

Best,

Erik
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On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Antony Stone <Antony.Stone@nvda.open.source.it> wrote:

What's in it for Microsoft to bother with such a move?

Do they sell more copies of Windows? Very very marginally, perhaps. They
seem to be giving Windows away for nothing these days anyway.

Will they gain market share over the competiton (ie: Apple)? I don't think so
- Apple has a very good screen reader built in to iOS, and people who like
Apple will continue to use Apple; those who like Windows will continue to use
Windows.

No, NV Access doesn't need to be bought by Microsoft - it needs investment
from a company which can get NVDA used by the big corporates and public sector
who currently pay for JAWS licences, but could do so much better with an open
source licence-free solution.

As with all open source software, the market is in support, not in supplying
it in the first place (look at Red Hat and their business model). Microsoft
has nothing to gain by acquiring NV Access, but someone with a brand name
behind them (so that they get taken seriously by large employers) and the
facilities to provide support for NVDA could do very well, both for themselves
and for NV Access.


Well, that's my opinion, anyway.


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 21:07:44, erik burggraaf wrote:

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to
head the project. Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built
into windows.
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Re: Interesting news

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

Hmmm,  Well I don't agree that there wouldn't be anything in buying nvda for microsoft.  Right now, microsoft is spending a lot of money to re-invent the wheel.  Narrator was one of the first screen readers built into an operating system, and even in windows 10, look how far it hasn't come.  Accessibility doesn't really make apple very much money, especially not compared to what they spend on developing it.  The accessibility allows apple to keep it's high end government and education contracts and that's why we have it.  The fact that it's state of the art is great for us, and that tim cook gets to pat us on the head at wwdc is great for apple and everybody wins.  It's not for us though and never will be.  As long as it works, I'm willing to tollerate being a turtiary target market for the products I purchase.

As far as NVDA goes, I can't disagree with corporate sponsorship from companies using NVDA in the workplace as long as narrateor continues to be unviable.  That doesn't really solve the problem though which is that at the core, windows is inherantly inaccessible, and will continue to be so until it has a full suite of high quality accessibility features built in.  Incorporating nvda directly would be a huge piece in that puzzle.

Best,

Erik
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On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Antony Stone <Antony.Stone@...> wrote:

What's in it for Microsoft to bother with such a move?

Do they sell more copies of Windows?  Very very marginally, perhaps.  They
seem to be giving Windows away for nothing these days anyway.

Will they gain market share over the competiton (ie: Apple)?  I don't think so
- Apple has a very good screen reader built in to iOS, and people who like
Apple will continue to use Apple; those who like Windows will continue to use
Windows.

No, NV Access doesn't need to be bought by Microsoft - it needs investment
from a company which can get NVDA used by the big corporates and public sector
who currently pay for JAWS licences, but could do so much better with an open
source licence-free solution.

As with all open source software, the market is in support, not in supplying
it in the first place (look at Red Hat and their business model).  Microsoft
has nothing to gain by acquiring NV Access, but someone with a brand name
behind them (so that they get taken seriously by large employers) and the
facilities to provide support for NVDA could do very well, both for themselves
and for NV Access.


Well, that's my opinion, anyway.


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 21:07:44, erik burggraaf wrote:

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to
head the project.  Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built
into windows.

--
A user interface is like a joke.
If you have to explain it, it didn't work.

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Re: Announcing NVDA 2016.2.1RS1 (20160613)

 

Hi,

The Anniversary Update (Redstone) is in the final development phase, so once it is officially released, your computer will upgrade it. But please hold off until NVDA 2016.3, as I, Jamie, Mick and others are working on some fixes at the moment.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Arianna Sepulveda
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 4:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing NVDA 2016.2.1RS1 (20160613)

 

Joseph, I've been a little confused by windows 10 and this Redstone thing. I am using Windows 10 home edition, so I don't have any control over what and when updates are installed. Do I need to be worried about Redstone? I don't want to suddenly find myself upgraded to it, and to be running a version of NVDA that doesn't work well with it, and not be able to get this try build version of NVDA onto my computer.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Some of you may recall a message I sent a few days ago announcing a try build of NVDA that supports Redstone. The update to this build is now out:

https://t.co/WasodNKlh5

 

Overview:

·         Includes features and sacrifices from NVDA 2016.2.1 (due to issues, grammar error announcement is gone in 2016.2.1 until a better solution is found).

·         Based on latest NVDA master (live beta) snapshot. Don’t worry if you hear error tones.

·         This build is optimized for Windows 10 Anniversary Update Preview build 14342 or later. The recommended build is 14361.

 

Differences from regular NVDA 2016.2.1 release:

·         Does not support updates.

·         Based on development branch code.

·         Do not install this build unless if you’d like to try out several items outlined below.

·         Due to ever-changing nature of Windows 10, updated builds of this kind will be released if accessibility fixes are required after Microsoft releases Insider builds.

·         Important: This is a third-party build. If you’d like to use snapshots from NV Access, please use either master or next snapshots, or use the latest released version (2016.2.1).

 

Changelog:

·         Redesigned UAC dialog is now announced (if you install this try build). In recent Redstone builds, UAC dialog has received a complete redesign – no longer a desktop dialog, it is now powered by Universal Windows Platform. This means all screen readers are affected when it comes to announcing UAC prompts.

·         NVDA now announces contents of sign-in and other secure screens in Redstone and other Windows 10 builds (also includes Threshold (10240 and 10586) builds).

·         You can now activate password edit box if you’re using touchscreens (may not work properly; don’t worry, all the provisions are there).

·         NVDA will announce status messages if you type a wrong password.

·         Browse mode makes a partial return in Microsoft Edge (ironically, it does not work in Edge itself, but it does work in Feedback Hub app).

 

Important things to note on current Windows 10 Redstone builds:

·         Invalid entry announcement: gone in build 14361 (a XAML (eXtensible Application Markup Language) markup problem in universal apps framework is to blame).

·         If you are using build 14361 and if you happen to restart NVDA, Start search suggestions will not be announced. The workaround is to launch Narrator, do a search, and then NVDA will start announcing suggestions (likely an issue with unresponsive or slow UI Automation).

·         Certain dialogs are not recognized as dialogs nor contents are announced. I’m actively hunting for these dialogs (partly caused by UI Automation tagging issue where NV Access and Microsoft have differing opinions on what a dialog is).

 

Contributing code: if you’d like to see the beauty of this build and/or help fix Windows 10 issues, please let me know. As always, source code of this and other NVDA artifacts can be obtained from the following location:

http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda

My own lab of NVDA code (where I have several experimental branches not found in NV Access repository) can be found at:

http://github.com/josephsl/nvda

 

Sending feedback: If you have feedback regarding this build, please send them to me directly (joseph.lee22590@...), via Twitter at @joslee or Facebook at josephsl. Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph


Re: Interesting news

Arianna Sepulveda
 

To be fair, you can turn off automatic forms mode in JAWS.

Thanks,
Ari

On Jun 14, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Chris Shook via Groups.io <cshook0309@...> wrote:

One thing you have to agree with is that NVDA is ten times the screen reader that JAWS. That automatic forms mode is a pain. It activates whenever there's a forms field.
If Mocrosoft bought NVDA, that would solve their screen reader problem. Let NVDA continue to do their work with the screen reader aspect, and they just touch base with Microsoft to make sure everything works.
Chris


On Tuesday, June 14, 2016 3:58 PM, Gene New Zealand <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:


I guess also it would solve a lot of access problems as well around the world. I mean as to go up to any computer any where running Windows and use a screen reader. You can not really say narrator is one or if it is very basic. funny thing is that I did not know how many shortcuts etc it actually had until I looked at a list of shortcuts for it.
That is narrator.
If that was to happen they don't want it locked down you still want them to innovate.


Then again there is no reason why a government or governments can not just buy this project and pay there wages and flick off all the stuff that is plugged into the government
I mean as in a lot of countries there are certain projects for the blind and visually impaired that get there funding from the government no names mentioned.

These times are changing and hopefully prices will come down for adaptive technologies or the smart phone will do a lot more for us.

For example the new braille orbit reader that is coming out and will it be supported by NVDA?

Gene nz


 like we have here.


On 15/06/2016 7:07 AM, erik burggraaf wrote:
I hear you and I'm a proud supporter of NVDA.  Here's my thinking though, and I'm sure it won't be popular but here goes.

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to head the project.  Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built into windows.  That really rips up the open source model and that's bad; however, It trades narrater for a high end professional product for windows users across the board.  It could also be that in this sinareo, usb drivers for many supported braille displays would become plug and play supported with windows via the built in NVDA.  That would really be huge for some one like John.  Suddenly a person who is deaf-blind could have access to install or upgrade their own copy of windows, handle their own registration, and not have to have a sighted person drop buy to download packages off the internet and fiddle with wizards.

Apple desktop and mobile solutions already have this and android as it as well.  Windows is way behind and acquiring NVDA could be a great way to catch up to the pack as long as the quality of the product continues to be high.

Best,

Erik Burggraaf
Visit the out of work bum for your chance to win one of 10 KNFB Reader or Nearby Explorer for IOS or android!  
Also check out my website for inclusion to the android platform for persons with sensery, physical or cognitive disabilities:

On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:11 AM, multi 85 <multi851@...> wrote:

Now there really is a David versus Goliath and thank goodness for
NVDA, because we'd definitely have very little innovation with this
new move if NVDA didn't exist. Must support.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html





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Re: Announcing NVDA 2016.2.1RS1 (20160613)

Arianna Sepulveda
 

Joseph, I've been a little confused by windows 10 and this Redstone thing. I am using Windows 10 home edition, so I don't have any control over what and when updates are installed. Do I need to be worried about Redstone? I don't want to suddenly find myself upgraded to it, and to be running a version of NVDA that doesn't work well with it, and not be able to get this try build version of NVDA onto my computer.


Thanks,
Ari

On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Some of you may recall a message I sent a few days ago announcing a try build of NVDA that supports Redstone. The update to this build is now out:

https://t.co/WasodNKlh5

 

Overview:

·         Includes features and sacrifices from NVDA 2016.2.1 (due to issues, grammar error announcement is gone in 2016.2.1 until a better solution is found).

·         Based on latest NVDA master (live beta) snapshot. Don’t worry if you hear error tones.

·         This build is optimized for Windows 10 Anniversary Update Preview build 14342 or later. The recommended build is 14361.

 

Differences from regular NVDA 2016.2.1 release:

·         Does not support updates.

·         Based on development branch code.

·         Do not install this build unless if you’d like to try out several items outlined below.

·         Due to ever-changing nature of Windows 10, updated builds of this kind will be released if accessibility fixes are required after Microsoft releases Insider builds.

·         Important: This is a third-party build. If you’d like to use snapshots from NV Access, please use either master or next snapshots, or use the latest released version (2016.2.1).

 

Changelog:

·         Redesigned UAC dialog is now announced (if you install this try build). In recent Redstone builds, UAC dialog has received a complete redesign – no longer a desktop dialog, it is now powered by Universal Windows Platform. This means all screen readers are affected when it comes to announcing UAC prompts.

·         NVDA now announces contents of sign-in and other secure screens in Redstone and other Windows 10 builds (also includes Threshold (10240 and 10586) builds).

·         You can now activate password edit box if you’re using touchscreens (may not work properly; don’t worry, all the provisions are there).

·         NVDA will announce status messages if you type a wrong password.

·         Browse mode makes a partial return in Microsoft Edge (ironically, it does not work in Edge itself, but it does work in Feedback Hub app).

 

Important things to note on current Windows 10 Redstone builds:

·         Invalid entry announcement: gone in build 14361 (a XAML (eXtensible Application Markup Language) markup problem in universal apps framework is to blame).

·         If you are using build 14361 and if you happen to restart NVDA, Start search suggestions will not be announced. The workaround is to launch Narrator, do a search, and then NVDA will start announcing suggestions (likely an issue with unresponsive or slow UI Automation).

·         Certain dialogs are not recognized as dialogs nor contents are announced. I’m actively hunting for these dialogs (partly caused by UI Automation tagging issue where NV Access and Microsoft have differing opinions on what a dialog is).

 

Contributing code: if you’d like to see the beauty of this build and/or help fix Windows 10 issues, please let me know. As always, source code of this and other NVDA artifacts can be obtained from the following location:

http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda

My own lab of NVDA code (where I have several experimental branches not found in NV Access repository) can be found at:

http://github.com/josephsl/nvda

 

Sending feedback: If you have feedback regarding this build, please send them to me directly (joseph.lee22590@...), via Twitter at @joslee or Facebook at josephsl. Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph