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Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Sky Mundell
 

Yes I would feel that way as well. It seemed like those people wanted nvda dead right?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 7:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

There were like five people or more agreeing with each other about this, some of whom I consider friends and who I believed to be honest people. So when they were saying stuff like this I got anxious...

On 3/02/2019 2:42 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 09:46 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

crying doom and saying Jaws was performing better than NVDA.

And?   There have been times where either one was generally more responsive than the other, and there are still specific tasks where one is more responsive than the other.  Tis' part and parcel of complex software like a screen reader.

Given the nature of NVDA, I doubt they'd disappear without a long (and public) fight first.  This strikes me very much in the same vein as Mark Twain's observations regarding rumors of his death:  "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

 

Sadly, thats just some ignorant people being the helpless blind type thing<grin>

Actually this stuff goes on more than the blind.

There are some people that assume to much even in organisations.

X software is cheaper than y software which is better but we are the bosses and the techs don't know what they are talking about.

I had an admin of a large educational institute who has since left now.

THe institute switched  from government control to its own control under a new educational union itself under its own control.

There were a lot of people to comfortable with their positions thats probably changed, anyway, they were happy rubber stamping anything and as long as the price was good or they would have an advantage from it then it worked.

I was told of things like repairs that were cheap to computers to well software not secure but that was cheap so it was  brought, and that no one seem to read up on things before jumping in.

You can actually be totally fine in this day and age being a helpless retard, blind or not.

But if it screws up then you are the headless chicken.

Sadly there are a lot of people, blind, disabled, sightlings that are that way, its probably human nature, I even have family like this so I should know.

Even those that are smart my only conclusion, is that  even if you are smart there is a certain type of smarts to use a computer effectively, and a lot of probably don't have it, or at least not all we should.

I have it but I know I do lack in some places.

My father is partly this way, smart enough but never reads more than half a screen.

A simple task may have him on the other side of the net, not knowing where he went and or how he got there.



On 3/02/2019 4:50 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

There were like five people or more agreeing with each other about this, some of whom I consider friends and who I believed to be honest people. So when they were saying stuff like this I got anxious...

On 3/02/2019 2:42 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 09:46 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
crying doom and saying Jaws was performing better than NVDA.
And?   There have been times where either one was generally more responsive than the other, and there are still specific tasks where one is more responsive than the other.  Tis' part and parcel of complex software like a screen reader.

Given the nature of NVDA, I doubt they'd disappear without a long (and public) fight first.  This strikes me very much in the same vein as Mark Twain's observations regarding rumors of his death:  "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

There were like five people or more agreeing with each other about this, some of whom I consider friends and who I believed to be honest people. So when they were saying stuff like this I got anxious...

On 3/02/2019 2:42 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 09:46 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
crying doom and saying Jaws was performing better than NVDA.
And?   There have been times where either one was generally more responsive than the other, and there are still specific tasks where one is more responsive than the other.  Tis' part and parcel of complex software like a screen reader.

Given the nature of NVDA, I doubt they'd disappear without a long (and public) fight first.  This strikes me very much in the same vein as Mark Twain's observations regarding rumors of his death:  "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

 

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 09:46 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
crying doom and saying Jaws was performing better than NVDA.
And?   There have been times where either one was generally more responsive than the other, and there are still specific tasks where one is more responsive than the other.  Tis' part and parcel of complex software like a screen reader.

Given the nature of NVDA, I doubt they'd disappear without a long (and public) fight first.  This strikes me very much in the same vein as Mark Twain's observations regarding rumors of his death:  "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

It wasn't on an NVDA skype group, just a  misc one for someone's live streams where all sorts of topics come up. There were some complaints about performance issues a couple days ago, and that was where the sentiments I related were mentioned. It upset me quite a bit to hear such things...

On 3/02/2019 1:42 pm, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
 
Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.





Re: Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

Mário Navarro
 



hi Brian , thank you.

cheers.


Às 16:27 de 31/01/2019, Brian Vogel escreveu:
On Thu, Jan 31, 2019 at 08:56 AM, Mário Navarro wrote:
Where the reader view is configured.
It's not configured anywhere.   It's a built-in feature that, as previously noted, is toggled on/off by an F9 press.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


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A acção pode nem sempre ser felicidade, mas não há felicidade sem acção...


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Is 2019.1 still going to be compatible with Windows 7? Because I'm still using Win 7 on my current computer.


It's really wonderful to hear some more hopeful/positive words on this topic. I've been hearing that NVDA is lagging on the systems of the people in this Skype group and they were crying doom and saying Jaws was performing better than NVDA.

On 3/02/2019 1:21 pm, Mobeen Iqbal wrote:

Well Said. NVDA certainly doesn't seem to be dying. That's the beauty of a community led and open source project. You should see some of the complaints I've seen on groups recently about jaws 2019. that's a commercial product and people are downgrading to jaws 2018 because that worked better for them, despite all the supposed improvements. Many people I know are switching from jaws to NVDA because it works much better for them, both in a business and home environment. No screen reader is perfect. But accessibility has come a really long way and long may NVDA continue to thrive.


Mo.


On 03/02/2019 02:10, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:
I totally disagree. NVDA has been great, and will continue to be great. I believe 2019.1 is due soon and I believe it fixes the problem I'm having with Excel.
You don't really need a professional developer for NVDA to be great, you just need community effort.
I know I haven't use NVDA much on my desktop, but that's just because I'm too lazy to upgrade to Windows 10. Right now I decided to just waited out until I can get a new desktop that already comes Windows 10.


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Lino Morales <linomorales001@...>
 

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
 
Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.





Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Mobeen Iqbal
 

Well Said. NVDA certainly doesn't seem to be dying. That's the beauty of a community led and open source project. You should see some of the complaints I've seen on groups recently about jaws 2019. that's a commercial product and people are downgrading to jaws 2018 because that worked better for them, despite all the supposed improvements. Many people I know are switching from jaws to NVDA because it works much better for them, both in a business and home environment. No screen reader is perfect. But accessibility has come a really long way and long may NVDA continue to thrive.


Mo.


On 03/02/2019 02:10, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

I totally disagree. NVDA has been great, and will continue to be great. I believe 2019.1 is due soon and I believe it fixes the problem I'm having with Excel.
You don't really need a professional developer for NVDA to be great, you just need community effort.
I know I haven't use NVDA much on my desktop, but that's just because I'm too lazy to upgrade to Windows 10. Right now I decided to just waited out until I can get a new desktop that already comes Windows 10.


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

 

I totally disagree. NVDA has been great, and will continue to be great. I believe 2019.1 is due soon and I believe it fixes the problem I'm having with Excel.
You don't really need a professional developer for NVDA to be great, you just need community effort.
I know I haven't use NVDA much on my desktop, but that's just because I'm too lazy to upgrade to Windows 10. Right now I decided to just waited out until I can get a new desktop that already comes Windows 10.


fast browse mode

Josh Kennedy
 

Hi,

 

I hope fast browse mode becomes a part of NVDA soon.  NVDA 2018.4.1 jumps around a lot on websites and sometimes it is nearly impossible to read even a simple web article.

 

Josh

 

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

The people saying this were saying if it was going to keep up, you'd
need a professional programmer who would need to be paid...

On 3/02/2019 12:52 pm, Sky Mundell wrote:
I don't want it to die, and I don't think it will die because if it does the community can pick up where they left off, and that is the beauty of an open source product.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 5:41 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.








Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Sky Mundell
 

I don't want it to die, and I don't think it will die because if it does the community can pick up where they left off, and that is the beauty of an open source product.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 5:41 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.


Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.


Re: Latest download?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe ninite has the updated version, or did as of last ear.

Take care

On 2 Feb 2019, at 14:33, Kliph via Groups.Io wrote:

Ok, about to do a clean install of windows, looking for the latest update of NVDA so I can install from launch once all updates and drivers are done installing. Thanks.



Re: NVDA Phantom Windows At Start Up

Sarah k Alawami
 

I believe I get this as well. I get "please eter the password for " etc etc etc. And an edit field I can't type into. I hit windows d and it goes away. Odd?

Take care

On 2 Feb 2019, at 14:17, Annette Moore wrote:

Ron, this happens to me as well. It's usually always Team viewer, but I've seen other phantom windows come up as well. I never mentioned it though because I am able to get out of it by hitting Windows+d or Windows+m for the desktop. Come to think of it, though, I don't remember this happening when I used system Access, but it could have. not saying it didn't, I just don't remember. I'm glad the windows do go away, though.

Annette

On 2/2/2019 7:19 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Hi Group,


One of the things that really used to bother me when I used JAWS from the nineties through 2011 was that at start up, there were phantom windows being displayed at start up from almost everything that ran in the system tray.  Such programs as Avast anti virus, Drop Box, action center or in the old days network neighborhood and even JAWS itself were involved.  As thing were loading, you would be presented with windows identified as being part of the aforementioned programs but when you tried navigating to them, the windows were blank and contained nothing.


When I first started using NVDA, this never happened.  Sometime in the 2018 cycle (I can't quite remember when) this began happening more and more with NVDA.  Now when I boot the system, Drop Box, Action Center, one drive, volume panel (from Realtech sound manager) and one or two others show up with a blank window. Moving the cursor or mouse or moving to the desktop and back clears up the issue but this is somewhat annoying--just as it used to be with JAWS.


I am wondering if this is causing some of the confusion with some people reporting blank windows for such programs as Drop Box that are being reported on this list.  It would be nice if this issue could be addressed in future releases.



Re: Latest download?

 

No matter when, the latest version is always downloadable from:  https://www.nvaccess.org/download/
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Latest download?

Kliph <kliphnsharrie.sr@...>
 

Ok, about to do a clean install of windows, looking for the latest update of NVDA so I can install from launch once all updates and drivers are done installing. Thanks.


Re: NVDA Phantom Windows At Start Up

Annette Moore
 

Ron, this happens to me as well. It's usually always Team viewer, but I've seen other phantom windows come up as well. I never mentioned it though because I am able to get out of it by hitting Windows+d or Windows+m for the desktop. Come to think of it, though, I don't remember this happening when I used system Access, but it could have. not saying it didn't, I just don't remember. I'm glad the windows do go away, though.

Annette

On 2/2/2019 7:19 AM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
Hi Group,


One of the things that really used to bother me when I used JAWS from the nineties through 2011 was that at start up, there were phantom windows being displayed at start up from almost everything that ran in the system tray.  Such programs as Avast anti virus, Drop Box, action center or in the old days network neighborhood and even JAWS itself were involved.  As thing were loading, you would be presented with windows identified as being part of the aforementioned programs but when you tried navigating to them, the windows were blank and contained nothing.


When I first started using NVDA, this never happened.  Sometime in the 2018 cycle (I can't quite remember when) this began happening more and more with NVDA.  Now when I boot the system, Drop Box, Action Center, one drive, volume panel (from Realtech sound manager) and one or two others show up with a blank window. Moving the cursor or mouse or moving to the desktop and back clears up the issue but this is somewhat annoying--just as it used to be with JAWS.


I am wondering if this is causing some of the confusion with some people reporting blank windows for such programs as Drop Box that are being reported on this list.  It would be nice if this issue could be addressed in future releases.



Re: Finding the comment's section on a YouTube video

Felix G.
 

Hi,
I've been looking for a good way to do this for months. Thanks a lot
for pointing it out!
Best,
Felix

Am Sa., 2. Feb. 2019 um 22:39 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21@...>:


Man it worked like a charm! I'm, to say the least, surprised that I never have thought about trying this.
Many many thanks for the tip!
Btw, I'm using Firefox, so if there's someone with the same problem and using the same browser, just try this because it really works.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 02/02/2019 19:25, Marcio escreveu:

Thanks, I'll try it :)

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 02/02/2019 18:55, Tony Malykh escreveu:

It seems like the comments section is hidden by default, and it is only loaded when you scroll the page to a certain place.

Try this way:

1. Search for "show more" button using NVDA+Control+F.

2. Wait there for a second or two - the comments section is loading.

3. Press down arrow.You will be on Comments heading. Works reliably for me in Chrome.

--Tony


On 2/1/2019 4:07 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello folks,
Does anyone know how one can find, perhaps more easily than I've been doing, the comments' section on a YouTube video?
It seems like a bit of a random thing when and where it will appear the way I've doing to reach out it. Using NVDA, I've had to press N much more times than I actually would like to do just to reach the video's description and sometimes it'll be just after the description, sometimes it won't because it simply doesn't appear on any place at all.
So does anyone have any suggestion about it?

P.S.: If it's an offtopic, let me apologize. Just thought, since it has something to do with NVDA, well...

Thanks in advance :)

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Marcio
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