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Re: Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

Gene
 

Automatic say all is on by default.  It means that a web page will start reading automatically when it is loaded.  it is useful if you want to know when a page has loaded without repeatedly issuing the read to end command.  It has nothing to do with reader view. 
 
I am unaware of any Firefox shortcuts that use control alt.  I have seen commands that use shift alt.  I suspect it is shift alt r.  You can experiment.
 
Also, as I recall, and I haven't used reader view to any extent, it automatically reverts to standard view when you return to or open another page.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

thanks for your help.
do i need to check Automatic Say All on page load on brows mode or not?


On 2/3/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 06:48 AM, zahra wrote:
>
>>
>> but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
>
> Try CTRL+ALT+R.   It was that for a long time before F9 was finally adopted
> to make the shortcut much more convenient.
>
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
> illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

 

thanks so much for your help gene.
i sincerely appreciate and pray for you.
i did not try this method before, thanks again and God bless you!

On 2/3/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
Open the view menu with v. Up arrow to reader view. See if a short cut key
is given. If there isn't one, then there probably isn't one. My
recollection is that f9 is not a shortcut key option. But you will hear
something like r when you are on reader view. So use alt v then type r.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 5:48 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webpages and changing order of hearing control types
like "link," etc.


hello.
i heard somewhere that key for activating reader view is changed to f9.
but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
i really dont want and cant use newer versions of firefox.
how can i use this great feature in firefox 52?
also, should i check Automatic Say All on page load in brows mode?
thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 1/27/19, Desert Moon via Groups.Io
<desert.moon=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Jeff,

his feature in Firefox may interest you:

Reader View is a Firefox feature that strips away clutter like buttons,
ads
and background images, and changes the page's text size, contrast and
layout
for better readability. Reader View settings are easily customizable to
fit
your reading preferences.

Press F9. If supported, the webpage will change to Reader View and NVDA
will
start Say All. Press F9 again and the default layout of the webpage will
come back. Then, you can expolre other features and elements on that
page.

--
Desert




--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

Gene
 

Open the view menu with v.  Up arrow to reader view.  See if a short cut key is given.  If there isn't one, then there probably isn't one.  My recollection is that f9 is not a shortcut key option.  But you will hear something like r when you are on reader view.  So use alt v then type r.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

hello.
i heard somewhere that key for activating reader view is changed to f9.
but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
i really dont want and cant use newer versions of firefox.
how can i use this great feature in firefox 52?
also, should i check Automatic Say All on page load in brows mode?
thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 1/27/19, Desert Moon via Groups.Io
<desert.moon@...> wrote:
> Hello Jeff,
>
> his feature in Firefox may interest you:
>
> Reader View is a Firefox feature that strips away clutter like buttons, ads
> and background images, and changes the page's text size, contrast and layout
> for better readability. Reader View settings are easily customizable to fit
> your reading preferences.
>
> Press F9. If supported, the webpage will change to Reader View and NVDA will
> start Say All. Press F9 again and the default layout of the webpage will
> come back. Then, you can expolre other features and elements on that page.
>
> --
> Desert
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

 

thanks for your help.
do i need to check Automatic Say All on page load on brows mode or not?

On 2/3/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 06:48 AM, zahra wrote:


but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
Try CTRL+ALT+R. It was that for a long time before F9 was finally adopted
to make the shortcut much more convenient.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

 

On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 06:48 AM, zahra wrote:
but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
Try CTRL+ALT+R.   It was that for a long time before F9 was finally adopted to make the shortcut much more convenient.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Felix G.
 

Hi,
here's what I don't get: Why would some users of one screen reader
actually wish for another screen reader to disappear? I can understand
when a company decides it would be somewhat cool if the competition
didn't exist. But users? Why would I, for instance, as a Mac user want
Windows to die? Wouldn't it be logical for a JAWS user to be grateful
that NVDA exists because competition improves quality?
Best,
Felix

Am So., 3. Feb. 2019 um 14:35 Uhr schrieb molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@...>:


Hi.

I agree with everything you say.

I love NVDA.

I am so grateful that it exists as it has changed my life for the better. I am so grateful to all the NVDA developers and contributors.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



Hi!

Reading this thread about the rumours of NVDA dying, I couldn’t help thinking: would I be right in guessing that the people who mentioned this don’t use NVDA themselves? Over the years I’ve come across several users of other screenreaders who look down on NVDA for different reasons, so maybe the talk of the death of NVDA was wishful thinking on their part, hoping we’d all flock to use whatever screenreaders they have. Very cynical, I know, but I couldn’t get that thought out of my mind, that’s why I expressed it here; And no, I have no intention of being nasty to users of other screenreaders, I have simply noticed that some users of any screenreader or system, sometimes just a tiny minority, are quick to look down on anyone who doesn’t use the same thing.

However, I’m convinced that there’s plenty of life in NVDA as we discuss this: look how hard the developers are working to not only keep this screenreader alive, but also to improve it! We’re all grateful to them, I know, and I wish to add: keep up the good work! And I’m not just saying that to keep the rumour-mongers quiet, we want this excellent screenreader to keep existing for a long time to come. It may have its imperfections, every screenreader does, but it would only be worth killing off if it’s no good, and it’s exactly the opposite, an excellent way to access the Windows operating system for many blind people. Long live NVDA!

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: dimanche 3 février 2019 07:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



As far as I could tell, all of the people concerned were on Windows 10, not XP.



I know I'll have to shift away from 7 eventually, but hopefully not any time this year. I will when I must, but as long as the next release of NVDA will work on my Win 7 system, I'll be content.

On 3/02/2019 4:33 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Those rumors were probably from who have a Windows 10 phobia. Now there are performance issues with people trying to run the latest version of NVDA on Windows XP or earlier. That is flatly stated on this and other NVDA lists and websites.



Folks, you have to move on past XP and eventually even Windows 7. I am very conservative when it comes to changing a system that works well. I had an XP system at least one of the 3 systems I own until early 2018, but I now have 2 Windows 10 systems playing perfectly with NVDA and I feel a bit better than with JAWS latest release. I still don't like JAWS identifying the Windows Explorer windows as multi select list boxes and reading every item in the displayed columns. Even with the updated scripts for Thunderbird, JAWS still seems sluggish and clunky when compared to NVDA in that program.



So there you have it--just my 2 cents.



On 2/2/2019 10:36 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

It wasn't on an NVDA skype group, just a misc one for someone's live streams where all sorts of topics come up. There were some complaints about performance issues a couple days ago, and that was where the sentiments I related were mentioned. It upset me quite a bit to hear such things...

On 3/02/2019 1:42 pm, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10



________________________________

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.


--

They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.

They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: office 365 excel

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Excel File enu, Advanced and uncheck Allow direct edition on cells.

Best regards,

Rui Fontes


Às 11:04 de 03/02/2019, Robert Doc Wright godfearer escreveu:

I just installed this last night. When I tried to edit a formula by pressing f2 on the cell NVDA did not read what was there though narrator did. Is there something I forgot to do?
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

Re: Finding the comment's section on a YouTube video

AKH AKH
 

The same from me - a great help, thanks.


Andrew

On 02/02/2019 21:47, Felix G. wrote:
Hi,
I've been looking for a good way to do this for months. Thanks a lot
for pointing it out!
Best,
Felix

Am Sa., 2. Feb. 2019 um 22:39 Uhr schrieb marcio via Groups.Io
<marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>:
Man it worked like a charm! I'm, to say the least, surprised that I never have thought about trying this.
Many many thanks for the tip!
Btw, I'm using Firefox, so if there's someone with the same problem and using the same browser, just try this because it really works.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 02/02/2019 19:25, Marcio escreveu:

Thanks, I'll try it :)

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 02/02/2019 18:55, Tony Malykh escreveu:

It seems like the comments section is hidden by default, and it is only loaded when you scroll the page to a certain place.

Try this way:

1. Search for "show more" button using NVDA+Control+F.

2. Wait there for a second or two - the comments section is loading.

3. Press down arrow.You will be on Comments heading. Works reliably for me in Chrome.

--Tony


On 2/1/2019 4:07 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Hello folks,
Does anyone know how one can find, perhaps more easily than I've been doing, the comments' section on a YouTube video?
It seems like a bit of a random thing when and where it will appear the way I've doing to reach out it. Using NVDA, I've had to press N much more times than I actually would like to do just to reach the video's description and sometimes it'll be just after the description, sometimes it won't because it simply doesn't appear on any place at all.
So does anyone have any suggestion about it?

P.S.: If it's an offtopic, let me apologize. Just thought, since it has something to do with NVDA, well...

Thanks in advance :)

--

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter



Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I agree with everything you say.

I love NVDA.

I am so grateful that it exists as it has changed my life for the better. I am so grateful to all the NVDA  developers and contributors.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Hi!

Reading this thread about the rumours of NVDA dying, I couldn’t help thinking: would I be right in guessing that the people who mentioned this don’t use NVDA themselves? Over the years I’ve come across several users of other screenreaders who look down on NVDA for different reasons, so maybe the talk of the death of NVDA was wishful thinking on their part, hoping we’d all flock to use whatever screenreaders they have. Very cynical, I know, but I couldn’t get that thought out of my mind, that’s why I expressed it here; And no, I have no intention of being nasty to users of other screenreaders, I have simply noticed that some users of any screenreader or system, sometimes just a tiny minority, are quick to look down on anyone who doesn’t use the same thing.

However, I’m convinced that there’s plenty of life in NVDA as we discuss this: look how hard the developers are working to not only keep this screenreader alive, but also to improve it! We’re all grateful to them, I know, and I wish to add: keep up the good work! And I’m not just saying that to keep the rumour-mongers quiet, we want this excellent screenreader to keep existing for a long time to come. It may have its imperfections, every screenreader does, but it would only be worth killing off if it’s no good, and it’s exactly the opposite, an excellent way to access the Windows operating system for many blind people. Long live NVDA!

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: dimanche 3 février 2019 07:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

As far as I could tell, all of the people concerned were on Windows 10, not XP.

 

I know I'll have to shift away from 7 eventually, but hopefully not any time this year. I will when I must, but as long as the next release of NVDA will work on my Win 7 system, I'll be content.

On 3/02/2019 4:33 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Those rumors were probably from who have a Windows 10 phobia.  Now there are performance issues with people trying to run the latest version of NVDA on Windows XP or earlier.  That is flatly stated on this and other NVDA lists and websites.

 

Folks, you have to move on past XP and eventually even Windows 7.  I am very conservative when it comes to changing a system that works well.  I had an XP system at least one of the 3 systems I own until early 2018, but I now have 2 Windows 10 systems playing perfectly with NVDA and I feel a bit better than with JAWS latest release.  I still don't like JAWS identifying the Windows Explorer windows as multi select list boxes and reading every item in the displayed columns. Even with the updated scripts for Thunderbird, JAWS still seems sluggish and clunky when compared to NVDA in that program.   

 

So there you have it--just my 2 cents.

 

On 2/2/2019 10:36 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

It wasn't on an NVDA skype group, just a  misc one for someone's live streams where all sorts of topics come up. There were some complaints about performance issues a couple days ago, and that was where the sentiments I related were mentioned. It upset me quite a bit to hear such things...

On 3/02/2019 1:42 pm, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.


-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!

Reading this thread about the rumours of NVDA dying, I couldn’t help thinking: would I be right in guessing that the people who mentioned this don’t use NVDA themselves? Over the years I’ve come across several users of other screenreaders who look down on NVDA for different reasons, so maybe the talk of the death of NVDA was wishful thinking on their part, hoping we’d all flock to use whatever screenreaders they have. Very cynical, I know, but I couldn’t get that thought out of my mind, that’s why I expressed it here; And no, I have no intention of being nasty to users of other screenreaders, I have simply noticed that some users of any screenreader or system, sometimes just a tiny minority, are quick to look down on anyone who doesn’t use the same thing.

However, I’m convinced that there’s plenty of life in NVDA as we discuss this: look how hard the developers are working to not only keep this screenreader alive, but also to improve it! We’re all grateful to them, I know, and I wish to add: keep up the good work! And I’m not just saying that to keep the rumour-mongers quiet, we want this excellent screenreader to keep existing for a long time to come. It may have its imperfections, every screenreader does, but it would only be worth killing off if it’s no good, and it’s exactly the opposite, an excellent way to access the Windows operating system for many blind people. Long live NVDA!

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: dimanche 3 février 2019 07:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

As far as I could tell, all of the people concerned were on Windows 10, not XP.

 

I know I'll have to shift away from 7 eventually, but hopefully not any time this year. I will when I must, but as long as the next release of NVDA will work on my Win 7 system, I'll be content.

On 3/02/2019 4:33 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Those rumors were probably from who have a Windows 10 phobia.  Now there are performance issues with people trying to run the latest version of NVDA on Windows XP or earlier.  That is flatly stated on this and other NVDA lists and websites.

 

Folks, you have to move on past XP and eventually even Windows 7.  I am very conservative when it comes to changing a system that works well.  I had an XP system at least one of the 3 systems I own until early 2018, but I now have 2 Windows 10 systems playing perfectly with NVDA and I feel a bit better than with JAWS latest release.  I still don't like JAWS identifying the Windows Explorer windows as multi select list boxes and reading every item in the displayed columns. Even with the updated scripts for Thunderbird, JAWS still seems sluggish and clunky when compared to NVDA in that program.   

 

So there you have it--just my 2 cents.

 

On 2/2/2019 10:36 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

It wasn't on an NVDA skype group, just a  misc one for someone's live streams where all sorts of topics come up. There were some complaints about performance issues a couple days ago, and that was where the sentiments I related were mentioned. It upset me quite a bit to hear such things...

On 3/02/2019 1:42 pm, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.



-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Dan Thompson
 

NVDA is equal and in some areas superior to JAWS.  This program has helped many senior citizens I have worked with, who now have macular degeneration and thought their computer access was over.  The NVDA community answering questions and brilliant developers are gifted in producing this software.  A very big shout out and thanks to all who are responsible in keeping NVDA going!!!

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Mobeen Iqbal
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 8:22 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Well Said. NVDA certainly doesn't seem to be dying. That's the beauty of a community led and open source project. You should see some of the complaints I've seen on groups recently about jaws 2019. that's a commercial product and people are downgrading to jaws 2018 because that worked better for them, despite all the supposed improvements. Many people I know are switching from jaws to NVDA because it works much better for them, both in a business and home environment. No screen reader is perfect. But accessibility has come a really long way and long may NVDA continue to thrive.

 

Mo.

 

On 03/02/2019 02:10, Supanut Leepaisomboon wrote:

I totally disagree. NVDA has been great, and will continue to be great. I believe 2019.1 is due soon and I believe it fixes the problem I'm having with Excel.
You don't really need a professional developer for NVDA to be great, you just need community effort.
I know I haven't use NVDA much on my desktop, but that's just because I'm too lazy to upgrade to Windows 10. Right now I decided to just waited out until I can get a new desktop that already comes Windows 10.

Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Gerardo Corripio
 

As a ech instructor here in my city, I’ve a student who hopes with all his heart NVDA disappears; that there’s nothing better than the Shark. Hard as I try to make him see reason, and how one needs to be prepared in case, to learn all one can of NVDA, he insists. yes I too admit that some little things the Shark does a bit better, but me using NVDA as my main screen reader for the past 3 years, I find it amazing especially how thanks to NVDA, I was able to work on my recently-acquired Windows10 Laptop as soon as I was able to understand Narrator how to go onto the NVDA site and download! no having to worry about licenses and the rest; not having to worry upon a Windows update, if the screen reader works etc. NVDA, you’ve got still a little bit to go, to start changing peoples’ minds and to give you more of a chance; you’re slowly getting there! As long as we continue to try you out, and keep on giving suggestions to your developers, and getting more AddOns, we’ll get there! Hang in there!

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 2 feb 2019, a la(s) 10:49 p. m., Sky Mundell <skyt@...> escribió:

Yes I would feel that way as well. It seemed like those people wanted nvda dead right?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 7:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

There were like five people or more agreeing with each other about this, some of whom I consider friends and who I believed to be honest people. So when they were saying stuff like this I got anxious...

On 3/02/2019 2:42 pm, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 09:46 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

crying doom and saying Jaws was performing better than NVDA.

And?   There have been times where either one was generally more responsive than the other, and there are still specific tasks where one is more responsive than the other.  Tis' part and parcel of complex software like a screen reader.

Given the nature of NVDA, I doubt they'd disappear without a long (and public) fight first.  This strikes me very much in the same vein as Mark Twain's observations regarding rumors of his death:  "Reports of my death are greatly exaggerated."
 
--

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Re: turning off Back Stage View in Office 365

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

  1. Open file menu alt+1
  2.  Press t for options
  3. Press s for save
  4. Tab to “don’t show back stage” and check it.
  5. Enter on ok.

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From: Brad Snyder
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:36 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] turning off Back Stage View in Office 365

 

A few days ago, someone posted instructions on how to turn off “Back Stage View” in Office 365.

Apparently, I deleted the post before I could implement the change.  Could those instructions be reposted.

 

thanks much.


- Brad -


 

 

Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

molly the blind tech lover
 

Agreed.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 7:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

This is known as “Fake News”.


It may be motivated by a number of factors. Perhaps sales at Jaws are down. There are probably share holders with reduced profits, there will be a large number of employees and distributers and even some script writers with incomes at risk. Usually just follow the money but there may be other motivations for propagating false information.

Cheers and hopefully the traffic on this can stop.

Dale Leavens
On Feb 3, 2019, at 5:59 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.
I'm really glad NVDA is not dying. I don't think people should make
statements such as this without evidence to back up their claim.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Also of course the purpose of the recently created survey page on what
you think important to work on is hardly the thing any dying project
will do is it?
Note the earlier posts in this thread cam in after the last, so If I
have repeated myself sorry.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Also, consider what logic and common sense lead to as conclusions. If
NVDA were declining in the ways claimed, you would see a lot of
discussion and complaints on this list from users.

I'm not assuming that these people don't have performance issues, but
if that were the experience of most users, we'd hear a lot about it on
a list devoted to discussing NVDA.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 11:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


And don't forget Joseph Lee; he's not exactly chopped liver either. I
mean,

I hear so many rumors particularly on the blind lists.


For example, when Window-Eyes or G. W. Micro allied with Microsoft to
offer the software free with a purchase of an office product, the
blind lists were

going wild about the end of Freedom Scientific/VFO. It turns out that
this was not true. Longer ago than that rumor, we heard that
Microsoft was going

to get rid of most native Windows shortcut keystrokes: control + shift
+ N for folder creation; alt + Tab for moving from open window to open
window and so on--which would have rendered many navigational aids
with screen readers problematic and of course this never happened.




When you start seeing a lack of releases and a lack of updates on the
NVDA pages for both basic release and add ons, then you might have
something to worry about. Until then, sleep peacefully.




On 2/2/2019 9:42 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I don't know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are
you on the Skype English group? I've not seen any such messages about
NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner
are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of
the NVDA add-ons community.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of
Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop
up around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group
I'm a member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left
the project and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep
up with competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in
late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right
now, and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to
help? This project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to
fight for it in any way I possibly can.





--
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They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"










Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Dale Leavens
 

This is known as “Fake News”.


It may be motivated by a number of factors. Perhaps sales at Jaws are down. There are probably share holders with reduced profits, there will be a large number of employees and distributers and even some script writers with incomes at risk. Usually just follow the money but there may be other motivations for propagating false information.

Cheers and hopefully the traffic on this can stop.

Dale Leavens

On Feb 3, 2019, at 5:59 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.
I'm really glad NVDA is not dying. I don't think people should make
statements such as this without evidence to back up their claim.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:28 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Also of course the purpose of the recently created survey page on what you
think important to work on is hardly the thing any dying project will do is
it?
Note the earlier posts in this thread cam in after the last, so If I have
repeated myself sorry.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 6:43 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


Also, consider what logic and common sense lead to as conclusions. If NVDA
were declining in the ways claimed, you would see a lot of discussion and
complaints on this list from users.

I'm not assuming that these people don't have performance issues, but if
that were the experience of most users, we'd hear a lot about it on a list
devoted to discussing NVDA.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2019 11:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?


And don't forget Joseph Lee; he's not exactly chopped liver either. I mean,

I hear so many rumors particularly on the blind lists.


For example, when Window-Eyes or G. W. Micro allied with Microsoft to offer
the software free with a purchase of an office product, the blind lists were

going wild about the end of Freedom Scientific/VFO. It turns out that this
was not true. Longer ago than that rumor, we heard that Microsoft was going

to get rid of most native Windows shortcut keystrokes: control + shift + N
for folder creation; alt + Tab for moving from open window to open window
and so on--which would have rendered many navigational aids with screen
readers problematic and of course this never happened.




When you start seeing a lack of releases and a lack of updates on the NVDA
pages for both basic release and add ons, then you might have something to
worry about. Until then, sleep peacefully.




On 2/2/2019 9:42 PM, Lino Morales wrote:

I don't know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on
the Skype English group? I've not seen any such messages about NVDA going
down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine
job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons
community.



Sent from Mail for Windows 10




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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee
Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.





--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"










Re: Webpages and changing order of hearing control types like "link," etc.

 

hello.
i heard somewhere that key for activating reader view is changed to f9.
but i wish to know which key i should i use in firefox 52?
i really dont want and cant use newer versions of firefox.
how can i use this great feature in firefox 52?
also, should i check Automatic Say All on page load in brows mode?
thanks for your help, God bless you!

On 1/27/19, Desert Moon via Groups.Io
<desert.moon=protonmail.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hello Jeff,

his feature in Firefox may interest you:

Reader View is a Firefox feature that strips away clutter like buttons, ads
and background images, and changes the page's text size, contrast and layout
for better readability. Reader View settings are easily customizable to fit
your reading preferences.

Press F9. If supported, the webpage will change to Reader View and NVDA will
start Say All. Press F9 again and the default layout of the webpage will
come back. Then, you can expolre other features and elements on that page.

--
Desert




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with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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Re: web page clickables

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hmm, I think also they are deemed to be clickable when nvda detects some underlying code on the page that is obviously supposed to do something but the writer either never bothered to indicate what or did not care. I have found that some of these actually open invisible ie invisible to nvda, areas on or over a page with data in them. Its abit like on mouse up down left right hover things that seldom seem to work for us.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adriani Botez" <adriani.botez@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] web page clickables


These are elements which perform an action when you press enter on it. But they perform only an action if the developer of the website intended it to do so. Sometimes there are clickable elements which don’t do anything if you press enter on them.



Best

Adriani







Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2019 12:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] web page clickables



What exactly is this and how do I access it ?



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Re: Tutorial requirement

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Audio or text? I think the textual teaching aids are paid for products.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Meet modi" <meetmodi2359@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2019 10:51 AM
Subject: [nvda] Tutorial requirement


Hae Dear NVDA users i won't the tutorial of NVDA and also need Tutorial of
review cursor.
if possible so provide me source and website of tutorial.


Re: web page clickables

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

Thanks.

 

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From: Adriani Botez
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 4:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] web page clickables

 

These are elements which perform an action when you press enter on it. But they perform only an action if the developer of the website intended it to do so. Sometimes there are clickable elements which don’t do anything if you press enter on them.

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2019 12:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] web page clickables

 

What exactly is this and how do I access it                             ?

 

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Re: web page clickables

Adriani Botez
 

These are elements which perform an action when you press enter on it. But they perform only an action if the developer of the website intended it to do so. Sometimes there are clickable elements which don’t do anything if you press enter on them.

 

Best

Adriani

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Im Auftrag von Robert Doc Wright godfearer
Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Februar 2019 12:07
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] web page clickables

 

What exactly is this and how do I access it                             ?

 

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