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Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 

hi group
do you have any tutorial or book on absolute basic course on python for beginners?
thanks


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

molly the blind tech lover
 

I'm sick of fake news.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gerardo Corripio
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 10:31 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Also spreading the word for those who colaborate on blindness podcasts online is a way to keep going strong, and hopefully in the long-run, little by little change the perception of those none-believers or sketpics, if we can call them that.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 4 feb 2019, a la(s) 9:26 a. m., Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> escribió:

Hello,


One thing you (and we all, more or less, I think) can do is donate to the project, so it can keep on growing.


Another thing you can probably do is tall your Skype group members to stop spreading fake news, although that's a very fationable sport these days.


I'm afraid the death of NVDA might be wishful thinking on the part of some blind people who have never believed in it, because by default they don't believe in free, open source software.


This sounds a lot like something an Italian guy said in an interview to a journalist and blogger years ago about Orca no longer being developed...


As far as I know, Orca is still going strong, in spite of that remark.


Ciao,

Ollie




Re: win 10 safe mode

 

I also got:  Some keys are open by the system or other processes, or you have insufficient privileges to perform this operation.

I have to presume the reason is the former, not the latter, as I know I've run .reg files when I'm logged in as my own account, which has admin privileges.  Since sound is active during a regular Windows session I'm guessing the keys tweaked are locked at that time.  This looks like it may pose a catch 22 in that you only have sound to run the reg file in regular windows, but under Safe Mode, until you have, you don't.  I'm in the process of trying to confirm I can do this when I'm logged in as me under safe mode but have a client to see.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: win 10 safe mode

Kwork
 

I thought you could run a reg file as admin in Windows. I don't see that option in Windows 10. I'll try the built-in admin account later unless other answers say something else.

Travis

On 2/4/2019 11:22 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can you run that as admin, or using the hidden admin account?

Take care and happy Monday.

On 4 Feb 2019, at 10:17, Kwork wrote:

I got the following error when executing this command, and of course I don't know which entries failed:

"Cannot import C:\media\reg tweaks\Sound_in_Safe_Mode\Sound_in_Safe_Mode_RegFile.reg: Not all data was successfully written to the registry.  Some keys are open by the system or other processes, or you have insufficient privileges to perform this operation."

On 2/4/2019 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
OK, here's the latest, and it should work.

Download the ZIP file on my Google Drive:  Getting Sound in Safe Mode Under Windows 10

The ZIP contains 4 files:
  1. Step by step instructions in MS-Word format.
  2. Step by step instructions in plain text format.
  3. A copy of the registry edit file in plain text format for those who want to examine its contents before running it.
  4. The .reg file that can simply be activated once selected to get those registry entries into the system registry.

You only have to run the .reg file once.  Those entries remain in the system registry once they're placed there, so in the future when you boot into Safe Mode, however you do that, you should have sound.

I would appreciate reports back on how this works out as I do not have time to test myself but trust the folks who've examined the .reg script - they know what they're doing.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: win 10 safe mode

Kwork
 

Good question. I'll need to try that a bit later when I have a few more minutes than I do now.

On 2/4/2019 11:22 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can you run that as admin, or using the hidden admin account?

Take care and happy Monday.

On 4 Feb 2019, at 10:17, Kwork wrote:

I got the following error when executing this command, and of course I don't know which entries failed:

"Cannot import C:\media\reg tweaks\Sound_in_Safe_Mode\Sound_in_Safe_Mode_RegFile.reg: Not all data was successfully written to the registry.  Some keys are open by the system or other processes, or you have insufficient privileges to perform this operation."

On 2/4/2019 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
OK, here's the latest, and it should work.

Download the ZIP file on my Google Drive:  Getting Sound in Safe Mode Under Windows 10

The ZIP contains 4 files:
  1. Step by step instructions in MS-Word format.
  2. Step by step instructions in plain text format.
  3. A copy of the registry edit file in plain text format for those who want to examine its contents before running it.
  4. The .reg file that can simply be activated once selected to get those registry entries into the system registry.

You only have to run the .reg file once.  Those entries remain in the system registry once they're placed there, so in the future when you boot into Safe Mode, however you do that, you should have sound.

I would appreciate reports back on how this works out as I do not have time to test myself but trust the folks who've examined the .reg script - they know what they're doing.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: win 10 safe mode

Sarah k Alawami
 

Can you run that as admin, or using the hidden admin account?

Take care and happy Monday.

On 4 Feb 2019, at 10:17, Kwork wrote:

I got the following error when executing this command, and of course I don't know which entries failed:

"Cannot import C:\media\reg tweaks\Sound_in_Safe_Mode\Sound_in_Safe_Mode_RegFile.reg: Not all data was successfully written to the registry.  Some keys are open by the system or other processes, or you have insufficient privileges to perform this operation."

On 2/4/2019 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
OK, here's the latest, and it should work.

Download the ZIP file on my Google Drive:  Getting Sound in Safe Mode Under Windows 10

The ZIP contains 4 files:
  1. Step by step instructions in MS-Word format.
  2. Step by step instructions in plain text format.
  3. A copy of the registry edit file in plain text format for those who want to examine its contents before running it.
  4. The .reg file that can simply be activated once selected to get those registry entries into the system registry.

You only have to run the .reg file once.  Those entries remain in the system registry once they're placed there, so in the future when you boot into Safe Mode, however you do that, you should have sound.

I would appreciate reports back on how this works out as I do not have time to test myself but trust the folks who've examined the .reg script - they know what they're doing.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: win 10 safe mode

Kwork
 

I got the following error when executing this command, and of course I don't know which entries failed:

"Cannot import C:\media\reg tweaks\Sound_in_Safe_Mode\Sound_in_Safe_Mode_RegFile.reg: Not all data was successfully written to the registry.  Some keys are open by the system or other processes, or you have insufficient privileges to perform this operation."

On 2/4/2019 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
OK, here's the latest, and it should work.

Download the ZIP file on my Google Drive:  Getting Sound in Safe Mode Under Windows 10

The ZIP contains 4 files:
  1. Step by step instructions in MS-Word format.
  2. Step by step instructions in plain text format.
  3. A copy of the registry edit file in plain text format for those who want to examine its contents before running it.
  4. The .reg file that can simply be activated once selected to get those registry entries into the system registry.

You only have to run the .reg file once.  Those entries remain in the system registry once they're placed there, so in the future when you boot into Safe Mode, however you do that, you should have sound.

I would appreciate reports back on how this works out as I do not have time to test myself but trust the folks who've examined the .reg script - they know what they're doing.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: win 10 safe mode

 

OK, here's the latest, and it should work.

Download the ZIP file on my Google Drive:  Getting Sound in Safe Mode Under Windows 10

The ZIP contains 4 files:
  1. Step by step instructions in MS-Word format.
  2. Step by step instructions in plain text format.
  3. A copy of the registry edit file in plain text format for those who want to examine its contents before running it.
  4. The .reg file that can simply be activated once selected to get those registry entries into the system registry.

You only have to run the .reg file once.  Those entries remain in the system registry once they're placed there, so in the future when you boot into Safe Mode, however you do that, you should have sound.

I would appreciate reports back on how this works out as I do not have time to test myself but trust the folks who've examined the .reg script - they know what they're doing.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: win 10 safe mode

Don H
 

Window eyes worked with safe mode so it must be possible.


Re: win 10 safe mode

 

And, ladies and gentlemen, I had my "group I'm replying to" confused.  This is also active on the Windows 10 group with regard to Narrator.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: win 10 safe mode

 

On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 10:58 AM, Brian's Mail list account wrote:
What is the point of having fixed Narrator if it did not allow access to the partially booted modes when installing the operating system?
Agreed.  This question is currently active on the NVDA group as well, but in regard to NVDA.

I have tried booting into Safe Mode several ways and none result in audio being available, so if you have no audio what's the point in having a screen reader?  It's like having a chopstick for a bowl of soup!

I have posted a question about how to enable sound in Safe Mode on Bleeping Computer and also provided the copy of the instructions and .REG file that Robert Wright gave the link to so that those could be examined further.  

I will report back on what I find out about having Safe Mode with sound.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: win 10 safe mode

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Well mine had it and I thought it was a great idea.
I am sure though that if you are the main admin you can still merge the required registry entries to load the drivers on safe mode.
What is the point of having fixed Narrator if it did not allow access to the partially booted modes when installing the operating system?
Brian

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in the display name field.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] win 10 safe mode


I never heard that there was audio added to safe mode

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 1:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] win 10 safe mode

I was under the impression that Windows 10 came already with sound drivers
loaded in one of the selections of safe mode.
just like you can have net support my old, now dead machine had an option
to run with sound as well. Has this now been discontinued then?
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Doc Wright godfearer" <godfearer@comcast.net>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 2:56 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] win 10 safe mode


Here is a link to information on activating sound in safe mode.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/coteu9agvp124tx/Activate%20Sound%20in%20SafeMode.zip?dl=0


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Don H
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] win 10 safe mode

Can NVDA be ran in safe mode on win 10 1809? If so how.
Thanks


Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Christo de Klerk
 

Hello especially to NVDA developers


I have encountered the very strange behaviour I will describe below and wonder if there is an explanation or fix for it. This is what happens:


I have noticed this only in Edge. When my laptop runs on its battery and I do a read to end in Edge, NVDA will read for a few minutes, maybe two or three minutes, then stops reading. When I move my arrow keys, I notice that the cursor position is far behind the point where NVDA stopped reading. When my laptop runs off the mains, this does not happen at all. NVDA reads continuously for however long I want it to read and the cursor keeps up with the reading position. I hope this makes sense, because it is quite bizarre to me.


Kind regards

Christo



Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Gerardo Corripio
 

Also spreading the word for those who colaborate on blindness podcasts online is a way to keep going strong, and hopefully in the long-run, little by little change the perception of those none-believers or sketpics, if we can call them that.

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone SE de Telcel

El 4 feb 2019, a la(s) 9:26 a. m., Mallard <mallard@kimabe.eu> escribió:

Hello,


One thing you (and we all, more or less, I think) can do is donate to the project, so it can keep on growing.


Another thing you can probably do is tall your Skype group members to stop spreading fake news, although that's a very fationable sport these days.


I'm afraid the death of NVDA might be wishful thinking on the part of some blind people who have never believed in it, because by default they don't believe in free, open source software.


This sounds a lot like something an Italian guy said in an interview to a journalist and blogger years ago about Orca no longer being developed...


As far as I know, Orca is still going strong, in spite of that remark.


Ciao,

Ollie




Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Mallard <mallard@...>
 

Hello,


One thing you (and we all, more or less, I think) can do is donate to the project, so it can keep on growing.


Another thing you can probably do is tall your Skype group members to stop spreading fake news, although that's a very fationable sport these days.


I'm afraid the death of NVDA might be wishful thinking on the part of some blind people who have never believed in it, because by default they don't believe in free, open source software.


This sounds a lot like something an Italian guy said in an interview to a journalist and blogger years ago about Orca no longer being developed...


As far as I know, Orca is still going strong, in spite of that remark.


Ciao,

Ollie


Donating was Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

It's up to each person how and what they donate, but here is what really helped me.

I set things up so that a very small amount comes out every month and goes to envy access. It's an amount that I don't miss. in fact, I would have to go over my financial records to actually determine how much I've donated to nvda over the years. Whatever the amount is, I'm sure nvda is worth far more to me than what I have actually paid. it also seems to me that the amount would be far more than I could contribute in one two or even three lump sums. If you set it up for a dollar a week, or a few dollars a month, the cumulative effect over time is amazing. If hundreds or thousands or even tens of thousands of people set up these small amounts, just think of the possibilities.

another thing to consider is sustainability. When applying for certain grants, and declaring Financial, some organizations are checking to see how viable you have been overtime. NV access probably gets lots of donations, but it would be difficult for a funding provider to determine the likelihood of future donations. By tracking these subscription donations, a funding provider can get an idea of what might be donated in the future. Many grants and funding providers feel better about giving to a sustainable project. Thus, setting up a small subscription amount has other benefits outside of the income generated for envy access.

Best,

Eeik

On February 3, 2019 2:02:23 AM "tapper via Groups.Io" <j.lancett=ntlworld.com@groups.io> wrote:

NVDA is not going anywhere! If you care so much about it, If you are
able you should donate. Even if it's just $10 Projects don't come for
free. I am not having a dig at any one I have bin running NVDA for about
4 years now and only donated twice, but I do it when I can. In fact I am
going to do it rite now. NVDA $20 comming your way!

Thanks Tapper


Re: how do I check for app updates in the microsoft store

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

Thanks. I’ll try it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris via Groups.Io
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 8:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] how do I check for app updates in the microsoft store

 

You could try open Microsoft store

Then shift+tab once to see more

Then hit enter

Then arrow down once to downloads

And then tab to get updates and hit enter

 

Hopefully that should work

 

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 04 February 2019 13:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how do I check for app updates in the microsoft store

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

How do I find where to check for app updates in the Microsoft store? I’ve been using the tab key, but I can’t find where to check for app updates.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

 

Molly

 


Re: how do I check for app updates in the microsoft store

Chris
 

You could try open Microsoft store

Then shift+tab once to see more

Then hit enter

Then arrow down once to downloads

And then tab to get updates and hit enter

 

Hopefully that should work

 

 

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 04 February 2019 13:48
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] how do I check for app updates in the microsoft store

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

How do I find where to check for app updates in the Microsoft store? I’ve been using the tab key, but I can’t find where to check for app updates.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

 

Molly

 


how do I check for app updates in the microsoft store

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

How do I find where to check for app updates in the Microsoft store? I’ve been using the tab key, but I can’t find where to check for app updates.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

 

Molly


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Jason White
 

Steve Nutt <steve@comproom.co.uk> wrote:
That's hardly a fair comparison though, comparing the latest NVDA with JAWS
14. If you compared like with like and said JAWS was less responsive, that
would be a more interesting data point. I personally don't hold that
sentiment though, JAWS is just as responsive, with the right synth, just as
NVDA would be.

I've used both on the same hardware, and didn't notice any performance issues
with either.