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Re: Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Sounds like a power management issue on your laptop rather than NVDA.  This is borne out by the fact you say it works when plugged in.

 

Go into power management and increase the time things like the hard drive, monitor, etc, switch off.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: 04 February 2019 15:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

 

Hello especially to NVDA developers

 

I have encountered the very strange behaviour I will describe below and wonder if there is an explanation or fix for it. This is what happens:

 

I have noticed this only in Edge. When my laptop runs on its battery and I do a read to end in Edge, NVDA will read for a few minutes, maybe two or three minutes, then stops reading. When I move my arrow keys, I notice that the cursor position is far behind the point where NVDA stopped reading. When my laptop runs off the mains, this does not happen at all. NVDA reads continuously for however long I want it to read and the cursor keeps up with the reading position. I hope this makes sense, because it is quite bizarre to me.

 

Kind regards

Christo

 


Re: Need help learning Braille

Jackie
 

sociohack, learning Braille is extremely helpful for what you want.
You may not get good enough to read books, but that isn't what you
want anyway. You just want to get good enough to read notes, etc, &
that is very very doable, even when you're older--& believe me, 22
just is not that old. I can assure you I use it for just that purpose,
as well as to sing in choir when I did that. I've seen people who were
older & even older diabetics learn it enough for those kinds of uses.
Learn it. Start now. You'll be ecstatic you did. Don't let the
naysayers have their day.

On 2/5/19, Sociohack AC <acsociopath@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys!
I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning Braille.
I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent presentations in my
class, and for now, I try and memorize all the stuff I need to present. It's
a difficult and time consuming task, I'm thinking maybe learning Braille
could help me in this regard. I see myself in professions which might need
frequent public speaking.

What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this point? How
long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read on this forum
that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at it, if you start
leaning it at an advanced age.

All feedback is welcome.

Regards



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Need help learning Braille

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Hi guys!
I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning Braille. I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent presentations in my class, and for now, I try and memorize all the stuff I need to present. It's a difficult and time consuming task, I'm thinking maybe learning Braille could help me in this regard. I see myself in professions which might need frequent public speaking.

What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this point? How long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read on this forum that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at it, if you start leaning it at an advanced age.

All feedback is welcome.

Regards


Typo3 Backend Using NvDA

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello all,

I am using the latest version of NVDA and/or Jaws 18 on my work computer.

As we have switched to Typo3 for our CMS backend, I am looking for information about the accessibility of the Typo3 backend with NVDA.

Up to now, my search on the web wasn't successful.

If you could provide me with info on how to improve the accessibility of Typo3 backend with NVDA I'd appreciate it very much.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


update bug in NVDA 2018.4

Davy Cuppens
 

Hi folks
 
I set NVDA so that it is allowed to update automatically and new updates are allowed to be presented while starting up again.
 
However, I noticed that I was still on nvda 2018.4 and not 4.1. I did the update manually whithout any problem.
 
I can reproduce this update bug from several other belgian and dutch users.
Regards
Davy


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Gene
 

Adding the caps lock key doesn't stop the numpad insert from being used.  it adds another option.  In short, you can still use it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

 

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Re: Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Gene
 

I don't know how long you listen to material using read to end, but I doubt the screen uses that much power.  I would suggest having it on, constantly on.  You can save battery power by lowering the brightness of the screen, but I don't know how bright you should have it set for.  If you are only using the computer yourself, I would think you can set it as low as you are allowed.  The only thing I wonder about is if you set it too low, if sighted people would be able to see it if necessary.  But if you leave the setting at the default for when the computer is running on power, that may not matter.  I'm thinking particularly if you need sighted help with doing some sort of maintenance or with an inaccessible web site or program you have to use for some reason. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Hi Quentin

I have now figured out that it seems like the strangeness occurs when the screen gets turned off due to no keyboard activity for the duration specified in Power settings. This time was set very short for when the laptop is running on battery. I have substantially increased the time before the screen gets turned off and that fixes the problem for that duration. I am surprised,though, that it should matter to NVDA whether or not the screen turns off.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2019/02/05 12:25 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It does indeed sound as Brian describes, when running on battery, the computer is being throttled to conserve power.  I know this was a big issue in the early days of Windows 10 - I don't know whether it's got better, or whether it's just that all the people in the group it affected worked around it?  In any case, the workaround was to go into your power settings and set it for high performance rather than balanced on any of the conservative settings.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:27 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Sounds to me like the processor or some part of the system is slow on
batteries. I have noticed that they do tend to throttle  processors to
conserve battery  life. If you recall even Apple did this on their hardware,
but did not tell anyone.
 How old is the laptop and what sort of spec?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 3:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?


> Hello especially to NVDA developers
>
>
>
>
> I have encountered the very strange behaviour I will describe below and
> wonder if there is an explanation or fix for it. This is what happens:
>
>
>
>
> I have noticed this only in Edge. When my laptop runs on its battery and I
> do a read to end in Edge, NVDA will read for a few minutes, maybe two or
> three minutes, then stops reading. When I move my arrow keys, I notice
> that the cursor position is far behind the point where NVDA stopped
> reading. When my laptop runs off the mains, this does not happen at all.
> NVDA reads continuously for however long I want it to read and the cursor
> keeps up with the reading position. I hope this makes sense, because it is
> quite bizarre to me.
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Christo
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

molly the blind tech lover
 

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

 

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Re: Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Christo de Klerk
 

Hi Quentin

I have now figured out that it seems like the strangeness occurs when the screen gets turned off due to no keyboard activity for the duration specified in Power settings. This time was set very short for when the laptop is running on battery. I have substantially increased the time before the screen gets turned off and that fixes the problem for that duration. I am surprised,though, that it should matter to NVDA whether or not the screen turns off.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2019/02/05 12:25 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It does indeed sound as Brian describes, when running on battery, the computer is being throttled to conserve power.  I know this was a big issue in the early days of Windows 10 - I don't know whether it's got better, or whether it's just that all the people in the group it affected worked around it?  In any case, the workaround was to go into your power settings and set it for high performance rather than balanced on any of the conservative settings.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:27 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Sounds to me like the processor or some part of the system is slow on
batteries. I have noticed that they do tend to throttle  processors to
conserve battery  life. If you recall even Apple did this on their hardware,
but did not tell anyone.
 How old is the laptop and what sort of spec?

Brian

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Please address personal E-mail to:-
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 3:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?


> Hello especially to NVDA developers
>
>
>
>
> I have encountered the very strange behaviour I will describe below and
> wonder if there is an explanation or fix for it. This is what happens:
>
>
>
>
> I have noticed this only in Edge. When my laptop runs on its battery and I
> do a read to end in Edge, NVDA will read for a few minutes, maybe two or
> three minutes, then stops reading. When I move my arrow keys, I notice
> that the cursor position is far behind the point where NVDA stopped
> reading. When my laptop runs off the mains, this does not happen at all.
> NVDA reads continuously for however long I want it to read and the cursor
> keeps up with the reading position. I hope this makes sense, because it is
> quite bizarre to me.
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Christo
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Gene
 

The thread helps build a sense of community and also probably results in more people contributing to NVDA.  If you disagree with my assessment, you may contact the list owner at this address:
 
Both the owner and I see messages directed to that address.
 
Also, I haven't used it so I'll let others discuss the matter further, there is a mute thread feature on Groups.io lists.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

MODS please stop all these chatter threads.
 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
 

enes
You are one of those people who're trying to spread the panic, aren't you?
As for 64 bit, this is not the first time on this mailing list that you're complaining about. The truth is that there is no need to switch to 64-bit as it is not likely to increase performance or support of other software. So please stop using 64-bit support as the reason for imminent decline of NVDA. NVDA devs are not going to work on this just because you want it.
In another thread on this mailing list you also mentioned that NVDA should use SSE and multithreading. That's another ridiculous statement of yours. SSE is for floating point computations and therefore it's not applicable to NVDA. Multithreading is already being used in NVDA.
So, stop complaining. and stop spreading panic.

--Tony

 

On 2/4/2019 12:55 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

I will comment on this. While NVDA isn't dieing, development has certainly slowed down considerably since Jamy left the project. NVDA is falling behind jaws in adopting some newer introduced technologies, e.g, 64 bit, UIA support for office, which jaws has implemented completely for all office apps etc. Therefore the concern which was also expressed on the dev list is certainly understandable.

On 2/4/2019 8:52 PM, David Moore wrote:

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.

 

 

 

 


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Jacob Kruger
 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.


But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Davy Cuppens
 

MODS please stop all these chatter threads.
 

Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
 

enes
You are one of those people who're trying to spread the panic, aren't you?
As for 64 bit, this is not the first time on this mailing list that you're complaining about. The truth is that there is no need to switch to 64-bit as it is not likely to increase performance or support of other software. So please stop using 64-bit support as the reason for imminent decline of NVDA. NVDA devs are not going to work on this just because you want it.
In another thread on this mailing list you also mentioned that NVDA should use SSE and multithreading. That's another ridiculous statement of yours. SSE is for floating point computations and therefore it's not applicable to NVDA. Multithreading is already being used in NVDA.
So, stop complaining. and stop spreading panic.

--Tony

 

On 2/4/2019 12:55 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

I will comment on this. While NVDA isn't dieing, development has certainly slowed down considerably since Jamy left the project. NVDA is falling behind jaws in adopting some newer introduced technologies, e.g, 64 bit, UIA support for office, which jaws has implemented completely for all office apps etc. Therefore the concern which was also expressed on the dev list is certainly understandable.

On 2/4/2019 8:52 PM, David Moore wrote:

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.

 

 

 

 


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

molly the blind tech lover
 

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Gene
 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.
 
 
There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 
 
Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Re: Donating

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

I’d like to start donating to NV access. Do I need to use pay pal for that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donating

 

Yup! A subscription would help NV Access after the grants run out. Donating is the biggest and best way you can keep NV Access going. If you want something in return, buy a product or service from their store. Buy training materials. Throw money at them! :)


Re: Donating

 

Yup! A subscription would help NV Access after the grants run out. Donating is the biggest and best way you can keep NV Access going. If you want something in return, buy a product or service from their store. Buy training materials. Throw money at them! :)


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

molly the blind tech lover
 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Gene
 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


need help explaining object navigation to a friend

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi

Still here😊  

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 9:55 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Molly! Glad to see you on here again 😍

It's been a while since I heard anything from you, glad to know you still are here.
Ok I know I drifted a bit on the subject but well...

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 03/02/2019 22:11, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Hi.

NVDA is awesome

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 3:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

I second this.
Actually, NVDA is my only one screen reader for now (and I believe it'll keep this way, I just can't find another as good as this one).
So for the folks on NVDA developing side, thank you for all the things you've done for us over the years and please, keep up the good job. You guys are the best :)

Cheers,

Em 03/02/2019 15:10, Sam Bushman escreveu:

I am personally grateful for all the fantastic work you guys are doing. I have several screen readers but NVDA is my favorite. I will do all I can to see this project continue. Please pass along my gratitude to all involved.

Thanks again,

Sam

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 10:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Hi everyone,

Perhaps to clarify a few things:

  • The original Skype post: I think I know where it came from and the original author. The original context from the Skype post has to do with perceived issues with recent NVDA releases, especially performance in certain areas. Recent NVDA development builds have mitigated some issues, but we (developers) know that we have a mountain to climb over this. To those who say NVDA might be dying just because a Skype post said this, my last statement should serve as a fact check for some.
  • Support for Windows 7: yes, 2019.1 will support Windows 7. In fact, recent issues deals with Windows 7 support, so it is still alive. I’m sure NV Access will announce when we must say goodbye to Windows 7 from NVDA side, and that can take a while.
  • JAWS subscription model and pricing: currently JAWS annual subscription is available in select markets. Also, note that retail copies of JAWS (as in when you purchase it) costs slightly more now.
  • Narrator’s impact: some of us are already feeling the impact of Narrator improvements in recent Windows 10 releases. For instance, the fact that Narrator will try to use UI Automation to communicate with Google Chrome is a sign that others may follow suit if warranted.
  • So who are NVDA developers: currently, Mick Curran and Reef Turner are lead developers, with Quentin Christensen having a large say in community communication. Other than these three, there are numerous volunteer architects and engineers (architects are those specializing in one or more specialty areas), including James Teh (Australia/Mozilla Foundation and internal API/browse mode expert), Leonard de Ruijter (Netherlands/Babbage), Davy Kager (Netherlands and braille specialist), countless volunteer programmers, translators, and of course, me (United States and documentation/Windows 10 test pilot).
  • So who exactly am I: this is in response to someone mentioning my name as part of a group of volunteer developers (thank you). Yes, I am a certified NVDA Expert, a retired NVDA translator, an add-on author and reviewer, and tutorial producer. All this I do in my spare time; my official job is that of a student and competitive speaker (California State University, Los Angeles). And no, I perform NVDA work without pay because of my passion for this community since 2012. I do know that my work is influential and helped many of you in many ways, and I’m more proud of that fact than getting my pull requests integrated into NVDA (you’ll see some of my work in 2019.1, including improved support for emoji panel, Action Center, and some small work preparing NVDA for Python 3). But even then, I admit my work is small compared to other people’s work.

 

Hope this helps.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 5:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Hi!

Reading this thread about the rumours of NVDA dying, I couldn’t help thinking: would I be right in guessing that the people who mentioned this don’t use NVDA themselves? Over the years I’ve come across several users of other screenreaders who look down on NVDA for different reasons, so maybe the talk of the death of NVDA was wishful thinking on their part, hoping we’d all flock to use whatever screenreaders they have. Very cynical, I know, but I couldn’t get that thought out of my mind, that’s why I expressed it here; And no, I have no intention of being nasty to users of other screenreaders, I have simply noticed that some users of any screenreader or system, sometimes just a tiny minority, are quick to look down on anyone who doesn’t use the same thing.

However, I’m convinced that there’s plenty of life in NVDA as we discuss this: look how hard the developers are working to not only keep this screenreader alive, but also to improve it! We’re all grateful to them, I know, and I wish to add: keep up the good work! And I’m not just saying that to keep the rumour-mongers quiet, we want this excellent screenreader to keep existing for a long time to come. It may have its imperfections, every screenreader does, but it would only be worth killing off if it’s no good, and it’s exactly the opposite, an excellent way to access the Windows operating system for many blind people. Long live NVDA!

Bye for now!

From Clare

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: dimanche 3 février 2019 07:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

As far as I could tell, all of the people concerned were on Windows 10, not XP.

 

I know I'll have to shift away from 7 eventually, but hopefully not any time this year. I will when I must, but as long as the next release of NVDA will work on my Win 7 system, I'll be content.

On 3/02/2019 4:33 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Those rumors were probably from who have a Windows 10 phobia.  Now there are performance issues with people trying to run the latest version of NVDA on Windows XP or earlier.  That is flatly stated on this and other NVDA lists and websites.

 

Folks, you have to move on past XP and eventually even Windows 7.  I am very conservative when it comes to changing a system that works well.  I had an XP system at least one of the 3 systems I own until early 2018, but I now have 2 Windows 10 systems playing perfectly with NVDA and I feel a bit better than with JAWS latest release.  I still don't like JAWS identifying the Windows Explorer windows as multi select list boxes and reading every item in the displayed columns. Even with the updated scripts for Thunderbird, JAWS still seems sluggish and clunky when compared to NVDA in that program.   

 

So there you have it--just my 2 cents.

 

On 2/2/2019 10:36 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

It wasn't on an NVDA skype group, just a  misc one for someone's live streams where all sorts of topics come up. There were some complaints about performance issues a couple days ago, and that was where the sentiments I related were mentioned. It upset me quite a bit to hear such things...

On 3/02/2019 1:42 pm, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@...>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"