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Re: Add-on Updater 19.02.2 coming soon (another mandatory update), enforcing three-part NVDA compatibility flags #addonrelease

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That explains why some are working but did not before but some are not which did.
You know, my brain is hurting already.. How about others?
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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater 19.02.2 coming soon (another mandatory update), enforcing three-part NVDA compatibility flags #AddonRelease


Hi,
When we compare the behavior from last year, the new approach partially
reverses the deal we went through in January. That is, any add-on with no
compatibility flags whatsoever will continue to work and seen as compatible,
whereas those that ships with these flags will need to be modified. This is
bound to change, as new NVDA releases may break compatibility (intentionally
or unintentionally due to something else).
Cheers,
Joseph

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update), enforcing three-part NVDA compatibility flags #AddonRelease

Joseph.
In the latest download of stable, there are very few add ons that are
allowed to be enabled. However only one is flagged at the start, indent nav.
All the others seem to have been disabled silently. It is a huge list of
them which I use on a regular basis, and as I said in my last message. I'm
considering disabling updates in the nvda main version and only having the
latest stable as a portable version until or unless more add ons can be made
to work.
Might I suggest that there is some form of test mode in nvda that allows
people to toggle on incompatible add ons to see if they actually work?
I think this would ease things a lot. I do understand that in the end many
will be seen to be incompatible, but I also feel that the lead time is far
too short to get part time writers to fix them before this new version of
nvda comes out.
People are not doing it as a job after all.
Anyone else care to offer some advice?

The crunch surely will come when python 3 is adopted completely. I do not
know when that will be, but until then I see no reason for doing more than
alerting people It would also be nice to see nvda produce a list of the add
ons that look like they are going to be a no go one when the time comes. At
present there seems no way other than to go to the manage add ons page and
manually list the ones turned off.
I think its quite legitimate to stop add ons being installed if they don't
work but not if they already exist as this is going to cause a lot fo aggro.
Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: "'NVDA screen reader development'" <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Add-on Updater 19.02.2 coming soon (another mandatory
update), enforcing three-part NVDA compatibility flags #AddonRelease


Dear NVDA community,



Yes, Add-on Updater 19.02.2 is coming soon. But before going into
that, a bit of an explanation regarding what will happen:



A few days ago NV Access people announced a revised approach to how
NVDA will check for add-on compatibility. Previously, add-on authors
were advised to specify minimum and last tested NVDA version in the
form year.major (e.g.
2018.4). Any add-ons that didn't come with these flags, especially
those that lacked last tested flag, were considered incompatible. In
contrast, the new approach will keep backward compatibility by having
a base API version to which all add-ons are considered compatible
with, and add-on authors advised to update minimum version flag when
breaking changes are introduced.



At the same time, the compatibility range manifest style has changed.
Previously ad-on authors were told to specify compatibility version in
the form year.major. Now, authors must include minor release as well,
so it becomes year.major.minor (e.g. 2018.4.0). For the most part,
authors can leave the minor release as 0.



To enforce the new approach, starting from version 19.02.2, Add-on
Updater will advise you to contact add-on authors and request for a
re-release if compatibility flags do not comply with the newly revised
format. For example, if an add-on update specifies 2018.4.0 as minimum
NVDA version, Add-on Updater won't complain; but if minimum NVDA
version is 2018.4 (just year.major), Add-on Updater will warn you of
this fact and refuse to update until a version of the add-on that does
come with revised compatibility flag format is released.



A few things to note:



* To give time for authors and users to communicate with each other
regarding add-on compatibility checks, this new check will be enforced
if and only if you are running any form of NVDA 2019.1 (alpha, beta,
RC, stable).
* This change will become permanent (as far as Add-on Updater is
concerned) around the time NVDA 2019.1 release candidate (RC) is released.
* For authors, you do not have to specify minor release as part of
compatibility range statement (if your add-on requires NVDA 2018.4.0
in the manifest, you can just say that NVDA 2018.4 is required).



In addition to the change outlined above, Add-on Updater 19.02.2 will
enable update checks for one or two add-ons approved for distribution
on community add-ons website.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph









Re: Add-on Updater 19.02.2 coming soon (another mandatory update), enforcing three-part NVDA compatibility flags #addonrelease

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By stable in this context I mean the test builds in alpha which seem pretty reliable to me now at any rate. As I said the download this morning has turned off two thirds of my usable add ons Having run all of them now, I think one perhaps easy to arrange idea might be to allow nvda to save a list of its add ons, versions and which are currently disabled due to them not being correctly flagged.
I have just spent an hour updating the flags on each of them and seeing what actually happens when they are run on the latest alpha. The good news is all of them actually work. One which is supposed to be working is giving odd errors. IE focus Highlight.

inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (15:20:01.243):
Input: kb(desktop):enter
DEBUG - editableText.EditableText._hasCaretMoved (15:20:01.292):
Caret move detected using bookmarks. Elapsed: 0 ms
ERROR - queueHandler.flushQueue (15:20:01.359):
Error in func update from eventQueue
Traceback (most recent call last):
File "queueHandler.pyc", line 53, in flushQueue
File "C:\nvda extra\userConfig\addons\focusHighlight\globalPlugins\focusHighlight.py", line 489, in update
File "C:\nvda extra\userConfig\addons\focusHighlight\globalPlugins\focusHighlight.py", line 393, in updateLocations
File "C:\nvda extra\userConfig\addons\focusHighlight\globalPlugins\focusHighlight.py", line 269, in updateFocusLocation
File "C:\nvda extra\userConfig\addons\focusHighlight\globalPlugins\focusHighlight.py", line 249, in locationAvailable
TypeError: object of type 'NoneType' has no len()
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (15:20:01.506):
Input: kb(desktop):space
IO - speech._speakSpellingGen (15:20:01.536):
Speaking character u'space'
DEBUG - queueHandler.registerGeneratorObject (15:20:01.536):
Adding generator 3446
DEBUG - queueHandler.pumpAll (15:20:01.559):
generator 3446 finished
IO - inputCore.InputManager.executeGesture (15:20:04.154):

However no effect of this is known to me as I normally only enable it when sighted people are here.
The other one is the 3D sound add on which is still giving the odd warning about the sntax etc.
Most of the others dev or stable seems to be doing what they always did.
Incidentally what is the meaning ofupdatechannel = none or stable?


I can see that the only change in add ons that already carried the correct flags but no longerr apparently do is a .x subversion flag in the manifest entries.

Could this not be assumed to be OK without the sub version if those flags make sense? Otherwise a lot of them will need a simple but time wasting tweak by authors.
Brian

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Subject: Re: [nvda] Add-on Updater 19.02.2 coming soon (another mandatory update), enforcing three-part NVDA compatibility flags #AddonRelease


Joseph.
In the latest download of stable, there are very few add ons that are allowed to be enabled. However only one is flagged at the start, indent nav.
All the others seem to have been disabled silently. It is a huge list of them which I use on a regular basis, and as I said in my last message. I'm considering disabling updates in the nvda main version and only having the latest stable as a portable version until or unless more add ons can be made to work.
Might I suggest that there is some form of test mode in nvda that allows people to toggle on incompatible add ons to see if they actually work?
I think this would ease things a lot. I do understand that in the end many will be seen to be incompatible, but I also feel that the lead time is far too short to get part time writers to fix them before this new version of nvda comes out.
People are not doing it as a job after all.
Anyone else care to offer some advice?

The crunch surely will come when python 3 is adopted completely. I do not know when that will be, but until then I see no reason for doing more than alerting people It would also be nice to see nvda produce a list of the add ons that look like they are going to be a no go one when the time comes. At present there seems no way other than to go to the manage add ons page and manually list the ones turned off.
I think its quite legitimate to stop add ons being installed if they don't work but not if they already exist as this is going to cause a lot fo aggro.
Brian

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From: "Joseph Lee" <joseph.lee22590@gmail.com>
To: "'NVDA screen reader development'" <nvda-devel@lists.sourceforge.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:40 AM
Subject: [nvda] Add-on Updater 19.02.2 coming soon (another mandatory update), enforcing three-part NVDA compatibility flags #AddonRelease


Dear NVDA community,



Yes, Add-on Updater 19.02.2 is coming soon. But before going into that, a
bit of an explanation regarding what will happen:



A few days ago NV Access people announced a revised approach to how NVDA
will check for add-on compatibility. Previously, add-on authors were advised
to specify minimum and last tested NVDA version in the form year.major (e.g.
2018.4). Any add-ons that didn't come with these flags, especially those
that lacked last tested flag, were considered incompatible. In contrast, the
new approach will keep backward compatibility by having a base API version
to which all add-ons are considered compatible with, and add-on authors
advised to update minimum version flag when breaking changes are introduced.



At the same time, the compatibility range manifest style has changed.
Previously ad-on authors were told to specify compatibility version in the
form year.major. Now, authors must include minor release as well, so it
becomes year.major.minor (e.g. 2018.4.0). For the most part, authors can
leave the minor release as 0.



To enforce the new approach, starting from version 19.02.2, Add-on Updater
will advise you to contact add-on authors and request for a re-release if
compatibility flags do not comply with the newly revised format. For
example, if an add-on update specifies 2018.4.0 as minimum NVDA version,
Add-on Updater won't complain; but if minimum NVDA version is 2018.4 (just
year.major), Add-on Updater will warn you of this fact and refuse to update
until a version of the add-on that does come with revised compatibility flag
format is released.



A few things to note:



* To give time for authors and users to communicate with each other
regarding add-on compatibility checks, this new check will be enforced if
and only if you are running any form of NVDA 2019.1 (alpha, beta, RC,
stable).
* This change will become permanent (as far as Add-on Updater is
concerned) around the time NVDA 2019.1 release candidate (RC) is released.
* For authors, you do not have to specify minor release as part of
compatibility range statement (if your add-on requires NVDA 2018.4.0 in the
manifest, you can just say that NVDA 2018.4 is required).



In addition to the change outlined above, Add-on Updater 19.02.2 will enable
update checks for one or two add-ons approved for distribution on community
add-ons website.



Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph





Re: Need help learning Braille

Brice Mijares
 

Hadley SCHOOL FOR THE BLIND WOULD BE A GOOD PLACE TO START.

On 2/5/2019 6:59 AM, Sociohack AC wrote:
Hi guys!
I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning Braille. I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent presentations in my class, and for now, I try and memorize all the stuff I need to present. It's a difficult and time consuming task, I'm thinking maybe learning Braille could help me in this regard. I see myself in professions which might need frequent public speaking.
What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this point? How long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read on this forum that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at it, if you start leaning it at an advanced age.
All feedback is welcome.
Regards


A weird one!

Roger Stewart
 

When I started my computer this morning I went to read my email and every key I pressed nvda kept saying "not in a table cell". I have no idea what that was about. I tried nvda key plus q to quit or restart nvda and it kept saying the same silly thing about table cells. Fortunately I have the Spydec P-View utility and I was able to find nvda.exe in the list of running apps and I was able to kill it from there. After I restarted nvda, everything was normal again! This is the first time I've ever had this happen in several years of using nvda. It was probably a one in a million glitch of some kind, but I'll watch and see if it ever happens again but I doubt it will. Any ideas on what might have happened? Just curious as I don't think this is a bug.

Roger


need download link for n v d a 2018.3

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Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

You can configure the caps lock key to be the NVDA key. You should definitely do this.

 

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:46 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Re: Need help learning Braille

Pascal Lambert <coccinelle86@...>
 

Yes, learning Braille is definitely an asset for a blind person and even for those who still have some vision. Listening to information is fine, however, there are times when you need to have your fingers on the info for spelling and for close analysis of what you are reading. You are still young and, with practice, you can become a proficient reader. I read books in Braille and I can read with both hands about 350 words per minute. I started learning Braille as a teen in France.
Best of luck. Any question, please do not hesitate to contact me.
Blessings
Pascal

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Jackie
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:08 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help learning Braille

sociohack, learning Braille is extremely helpful for what you want.
You may not get good enough to read books, but that isn't what you want anyway. You just want to get good enough to read notes, etc, & that is very very doable, even when you're older--& believe me, 22 just is not that old. I can assure you I use it for just that purpose, as well as to sing in choir when I did that. I've seen people who were older & even older diabetics learn it enough for those kinds of uses.
Learn it. Start now. You'll be ecstatic you did. Don't let the naysayers have their day.

On 2/5/19, Sociohack AC <acsociopath@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys!
I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning Braille.
I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent presentations
in my class, and for now, I try and memorize all the stuff I need to
present. It's a difficult and time consuming task, I'm thinking maybe
learning Braille could help me in this regard. I see myself in
professions which might need frequent public speaking.

What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this
point? How long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read
on this forum that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at
it, if you start leaning it at an advanced age.

All feedback is welcome.

Regards




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Re: Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

You can avoid this by setting power management to high performance, at the sacrifice of battery life.

All the best

Steve

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To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Sounds to me like the processor or some part of the system is slow on batteries. I have noticed that they do tend to throttle processors to conserve battery life. If you recall even Apple did this on their hardware, but did not tell anyone.
How old is the laptop and what sort of spec?

Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 3:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?


Hello especially to NVDA developers




I have encountered the very strange behaviour I will describe below and
wonder if there is an explanation or fix for it. This is what happens:




I have noticed this only in Edge. When my laptop runs on its battery and I
do a read to end in Edge, NVDA will read for a few minutes, maybe two or
three minutes, then stops reading. When I move my arrow keys, I notice
that the cursor position is far behind the point where NVDA stopped
reading. When my laptop runs off the mains, this does not happen at all.
NVDA reads continuously for however long I want it to read and the cursor
keeps up with the reading position. I hope this makes sense, because it is
quite bizarre to me.




Kind regards

Christo





Re: win 10 safe mode

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Right click the .reg file and you should have a Run As Admin option.  Or use the applications key.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: 04 February 2019 18:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] win 10 safe mode

 

I thought you could run a reg file as admin in Windows. I don't see that option in Windows 10. I'll try the built-in admin account later unless other answers say something else.

Travis

On 2/4/2019 11:22 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

Can you run that as admin, or using the hidden admin account?

Take care and happy Monday.

On 4 Feb 2019, at 10:17, Kwork wrote:

I got the following error when executing this command, and of course I don't know which entries failed:

"Cannot import C:\media\reg tweaks\Sound_in_Safe_Mode\Sound_in_Safe_Mode_RegFile.reg: Not all data was successfully written to the registry.  Some keys are open by the system or other processes, or you have insufficient privileges to perform this operation."

On 2/4/2019 10:54 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:

OK, here's the latest, and it should work.

Download the ZIP file on my Google Drive:  
Getting Sound in Safe Mode Under Windows 10

The ZIP contains 4 files:

  1. Step by step instructions in MS-Word format.
  2. Step by step instructions in plain text format.
  3. A copy of the registry edit file in plain text format for those who want to examine its contents before running it.
  4. The .reg file that can simply be activated once selected to get those registry entries into the system registry.


You only have to run the .reg file once.  Those entries remain in the system registry once they're placed there, so in the future when you boot into Safe Mode, however you do that, you should have sound.

I would appreciate reports back on how this works out as I do not have time to test myself but trust the folks who've examined the .reg script - they know what they're doing.
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Re: win 10 safe mode

Steve Nutt
 

Not only that, but it had the ability to switch it off and on in the UI.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: 04 February 2019 17:19
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] win 10 safe mode

Window eyes worked with safe mode so it must be possible.


Re: Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

 

Sounds like a power management issue on your laptop rather than NVDA.  This is borne out by the fact you say it works when plugged in.

 

Go into power management and increase the time things like the hard drive, monitor, etc, switch off.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Christo de Klerk
Sent: 04 February 2019 15:49
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

 

Hello especially to NVDA developers

 

I have encountered the very strange behaviour I will describe below and wonder if there is an explanation or fix for it. This is what happens:

 

I have noticed this only in Edge. When my laptop runs on its battery and I do a read to end in Edge, NVDA will read for a few minutes, maybe two or three minutes, then stops reading. When I move my arrow keys, I notice that the cursor position is far behind the point where NVDA stopped reading. When my laptop runs off the mains, this does not happen at all. NVDA reads continuously for however long I want it to read and the cursor keeps up with the reading position. I hope this makes sense, because it is quite bizarre to me.

 

Kind regards

Christo

 


Re: Need help learning Braille

Jackie
 

sociohack, learning Braille is extremely helpful for what you want.
You may not get good enough to read books, but that isn't what you
want anyway. You just want to get good enough to read notes, etc, &
that is very very doable, even when you're older--& believe me, 22
just is not that old. I can assure you I use it for just that purpose,
as well as to sing in choir when I did that. I've seen people who were
older & even older diabetics learn it enough for those kinds of uses.
Learn it. Start now. You'll be ecstatic you did. Don't let the
naysayers have their day.

On 2/5/19, Sociohack AC <acsociopath@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys!
I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning Braille.
I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent presentations in my
class, and for now, I try and memorize all the stuff I need to present. It's
a difficult and time consuming task, I'm thinking maybe learning Braille
could help me in this regard. I see myself in professions which might need
frequent public speaking.

What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this point? How
long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read on this forum
that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at it, if you start
leaning it at an advanced age.

All feedback is welcome.

Regards



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Need help learning Braille

Akshaya Choudhary
 

Hi guys!
I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning Braille. I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent presentations in my class, and for now, I try and memorize all the stuff I need to present. It's a difficult and time consuming task, I'm thinking maybe learning Braille could help me in this regard. I see myself in professions which might need frequent public speaking.

What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this point? How long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read on this forum that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at it, if you start leaning it at an advanced age.

All feedback is welcome.

Regards


Typo3 Backend Using NvDA

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello all,

I am using the latest version of NVDA and/or Jaws 18 on my work computer.

As we have switched to Typo3 for our CMS backend, I am looking for information about the accessibility of the Typo3 backend with NVDA.

Up to now, my search on the web wasn't successful.

If you could provide me with info on how to improve the accessibility of Typo3 backend with NVDA I'd appreciate it very much.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka


update bug in NVDA 2018.4

Davy Cuppens
 

Hi folks
 
I set NVDA so that it is allowed to update automatically and new updates are allowed to be presented while starting up again.
 
However, I noticed that I was still on nvda 2018.4 and not 4.1. I did the update manually whithout any problem.
 
I can reproduce this update bug from several other belgian and dutch users.
Regards
Davy


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Gene
 

Adding the caps lock key doesn't stop the numpad insert from being used.  it adds another option.  In short, you can still use it. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

 

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Re: Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Gene
 

I don't know how long you listen to material using read to end, but I doubt the screen uses that much power.  I would suggest having it on, constantly on.  You can save battery power by lowering the brightness of the screen, but I don't know how bright you should have it set for.  If you are only using the computer yourself, I would think you can set it as low as you are allowed.  The only thing I wonder about is if you set it too low, if sighted people would be able to see it if necessary.  But if you leave the setting at the default for when the computer is running on power, that may not matter.  I'm thinking particularly if you need sighted help with doing some sort of maintenance or with an inaccessible web site or program you have to use for some reason. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Hi Quentin

I have now figured out that it seems like the strangeness occurs when the screen gets turned off due to no keyboard activity for the duration specified in Power settings. This time was set very short for when the laptop is running on battery. I have substantially increased the time before the screen gets turned off and that fixes the problem for that duration. I am surprised,though, that it should matter to NVDA whether or not the screen turns off.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2019/02/05 12:25 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It does indeed sound as Brian describes, when running on battery, the computer is being throttled to conserve power.  I know this was a big issue in the early days of Windows 10 - I don't know whether it's got better, or whether it's just that all the people in the group it affected worked around it?  In any case, the workaround was to go into your power settings and set it for high performance rather than balanced on any of the conservative settings.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:27 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Sounds to me like the processor or some part of the system is slow on
batteries. I have noticed that they do tend to throttle  processors to
conserve battery  life. If you recall even Apple did this on their hardware,
but did not tell anyone.
 How old is the laptop and what sort of spec?

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 3:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?


> Hello especially to NVDA developers
>
>
>
>
> I have encountered the very strange behaviour I will describe below and
> wonder if there is an explanation or fix for it. This is what happens:
>
>
>
>
> I have noticed this only in Edge. When my laptop runs on its battery and I
> do a read to end in Edge, NVDA will read for a few minutes, maybe two or
> three minutes, then stops reading. When I move my arrow keys, I notice
> that the cursor position is far behind the point where NVDA stopped
> reading. When my laptop runs off the mains, this does not happen at all.
> NVDA reads continuously for however long I want it to read and the cursor
> keeps up with the reading position. I hope this makes sense, because it is
> quite bizarre to me.
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Christo
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

molly the blind tech lover
 

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

 

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


Re: Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?

Christo de Klerk
 

Hi Quentin

I have now figured out that it seems like the strangeness occurs when the screen gets turned off due to no keyboard activity for the duration specified in Power settings. This time was set very short for when the laptop is running on battery. I have substantially increased the time before the screen gets turned off and that fixes the problem for that duration. I am surprised,though, that it should matter to NVDA whether or not the screen turns off.

Kind regards

Christo

On 2019/02/05 12:25 AM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
It does indeed sound as Brian describes, when running on battery, the computer is being throttled to conserve power.  I know this was a big issue in the early days of Windows 10 - I don't know whether it's got better, or whether it's just that all the people in the group it affected worked around it?  In any case, the workaround was to go into your power settings and set it for high performance rather than balanced on any of the conservative settings.

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 8:27 AM Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
Sounds to me like the processor or some part of the system is slow on
batteries. I have noticed that they do tend to throttle  processors to
conserve battery  life. If you recall even Apple did this on their hardware,
but did not tell anyone.
 How old is the laptop and what sort of spec?

Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christo de Klerk" <christodeklerk@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 3:48 PM
Subject: [nvda] Is there an explanation for this strange NVDA behaviour?


> Hello especially to NVDA developers
>
>
>
>
> I have encountered the very strange behaviour I will describe below and
> wonder if there is an explanation or fix for it. This is what happens:
>
>
>
>
> I have noticed this only in Edge. When my laptop runs on its battery and I
> do a read to end in Edge, NVDA will read for a few minutes, maybe two or
> three minutes, then stops reading. When I move my arrow keys, I notice
> that the cursor position is far behind the point where NVDA stopped
> reading. When my laptop runs off the mains, this does not happen at all.
> NVDA reads continuously for however long I want it to read and the cursor
> keeps up with the reading position. I hope this makes sense, because it is
> quite bizarre to me.
>
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Christo
>
>
>
>







--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 



Re: Meandering NVDA Miscellany (including that it's alive and well)

Gene
 

The thread helps build a sense of community and also probably results in more people contributing to NVDA.  If you disagree with my assessment, you may contact the list owner at this address:
 
Both the owner and I see messages directed to that address.
 
Also, I haven't used it so I'll let others discuss the matter further, there is a mute thread feature on Groups.io lists.
 

Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

MODS please stop all these chatter threads.
 
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2019 11:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?
 

enes
You are one of those people who're trying to spread the panic, aren't you?
As for 64 bit, this is not the first time on this mailing list that you're complaining about. The truth is that there is no need to switch to 64-bit as it is not likely to increase performance or support of other software. So please stop using 64-bit support as the reason for imminent decline of NVDA. NVDA devs are not going to work on this just because you want it.
In another thread on this mailing list you also mentioned that NVDA should use SSE and multithreading. That's another ridiculous statement of yours. SSE is for floating point computations and therefore it's not applicable to NVDA. Multithreading is already being used in NVDA.
So, stop complaining. and stop spreading panic.

--Tony

 

On 2/4/2019 12:55 PM, enes sarıbaş wrote:

hi,

I will comment on this. While NVDA isn't dieing, development has certainly slowed down considerably since Jamy left the project. NVDA is falling behind jaws in adopting some newer introduced technologies, e.g, 64 bit, UIA support for office, which jaws has implemented completely for all office apps etc. Therefore the concern which was also expressed on the dev list is certainly understandable.

On 2/4/2019 8:52 PM, David Moore wrote:

This is just one issue showing that you cannot believe everything you hear.

Especially on computer groups and lists, there is a lot of fake roomers!

Fake news is getting very dangerous in every area of our lives!

We must research what we hear, and consider the source!

David Moore

David Moore

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Marco Oros
Sent: Monday, February 4, 2019 12:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

 

Thank You Joseph Lee, for Your answer.

 

I was also worried. There was also some alarmed message between people,

who speachs Czech and Slovak, but It was unnecessary alarm.