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Re: A weird one!

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

It thinks you have pressed a combination of keys. I've definitely seen this in Windows 7. It seems quite random and I suspect its a windows issue myself. It is very rare but can for example appear if something is taking longer than normal to boot up I found.
If anyone has any idea let us know Often looking at the nvda log shos that several keys are pressed when only one or two are really pressed.
I'm almost sure this goes back a very long way and had a ticket but nobody could get it to happen to order. I found often in my case it was windows and control.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: "NVDA List" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] A weird one!


When I started my computer this morning I went to read my email and every key I pressed nvda kept saying "not in a table cell". I have no idea what that was about. I tried nvda key plus q to quit or restart nvda and it kept saying the same silly thing about table cells. Fortunately I have the Spydec P-View utility and I was able to find nvda.exe in the list of running apps and I was able to kill it from there. After I restarted nvda, everything was normal again! This is the first time I've ever had this happen in several years of using nvda. It was probably a one in a million glitch of some kind, but I'll watch and see if it ever happens again but I doubt it will. Any ideas on what might have happened? Just curious as I don't think this is a bug.

Roger




Re: print screen

Brice Mijares
 

Thanks for the link, I'll check it out.

On 2/5/2019 9:11 AM, Dang Manh Cuong wrote:
Hi
If you're using Windows 10, read this: https://saomaicenter.org/en/blog/access-tech/using-windows-10-ocr-feature-nvda Cuong
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@att.net>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 11:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] print screen

Say I took a scrren shot of my bank accounts , using NVDA, what are the step by step I'd use to read the screen shot using an OCR feature? If I remember correctly, NVDA had such capabilities. thanks



Re: Need help learning Braille

Jackie
 

Or you can check out Hadley School for the blind at:
www.hadley.edu .

On 2/5/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
If you start now you can get to atbest 80 words per minute which is
slow but doable. I would talk to yoru voc rehab for classes.

Good luck.

On 5 Feb 2019, at 6:59, Sociohack AC wrote:

Hi guys!
I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning
Braille. I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent
presentations in my class, and for now, I try and memorize all the
stuff I need to present. It's a difficult and time consuming task, I'm
thinking maybe learning Braille could help me in this regard. I see
myself in professions which might need frequent public speaking.

What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this
point? How long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read
on this forum that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at
it, if you start leaning it at an advanced age.

All feedback is welcome.

Regards





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Re: Typo3 Backend Using NvDA

Christian Schoepplein
 

Hej,

On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 15:58:28 -0000, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
I don't know what that even is. Maybe one for the developers perhaps.
Typo3 is a content management system. Its very often used by companies to build their internet or intranet site, so it is a very common CMS in commercial environments.

@Bianka: I was able to use the typo3 backend with older versions. It was not nice, but at the end I was able to work with itt. I don't know how good accessibility is in newer versions, but if you tell more about the problems you have, maybe someone is able to help.

Cheers,

Schoepp


Re: Need help learning Braille

Sarah k Alawami
 

If you start now you can get to atbest 80 words per minute which is slow but doable. I would talk to yoru voc rehab for classes.

Good luck.

On 5 Feb 2019, at 6:59, Sociohack AC wrote:

Hi guys!
I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning Braille. I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent presentations in my class, and for now, I try and memorize all the stuff I need to present. It's a difficult and time consuming task, I'm thinking maybe learning Braille could help me in this regard. I see myself in professions which might need frequent public speaking.

What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this point? How long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read on this forum that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at it, if you start leaning it at an advanced age.

All feedback is welcome.

Regards


Re: A weird one!

Gene
 

My guess is that you had sticky keys, for some reason.  This appears to be rare now, it used to be rather common with JAWS, but as far as I know, it either didn't happen or was very rare with NVDA.  Sticky keys means that, for some reason, keys are active whether you are holding them or not.  In your case, control and alt appear to have been active.  Since those are the keys for reading in tables when browse mode is on, you probably heard the announcement because those keys were both on.  Unloading and running NVDA caused the keys to be unlocked.  Also, if you had tried pressing control perhaps twenty times fast and then alt twenty times fast, while letting NVDA run, that might have solved the problem, too.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] A weird one!

I was getting the table message in Thunderbird. However, the nvda keys were not working at all and that was global. I was able to hear the names of the running applications list so I could find and stop nvda. There was no way to stop nvda except using P-View as I couldn't bring up the shutdown dialogue or the nvda menu at all.

Roger












On 2/5/2019 10:28 AM, Gene wrote:
Are you saying this happened everywhere or just in certain places?  that may be important in guessing what occurred.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] A weird one!

When I started my computer this morning I went to read my email and
every key I pressed nvda kept saying "not in a table cell". I have no
idea what that was about. I tried nvda key plus q to quit or restart
nvda and it kept saying the same silly thing about table cells.
Fortunately I have the Spydec P-View utility and I was able to find
nvda.exe in the list of running apps and I was able to kill it from
there. After I restarted nvda, everything was normal again! This is the
first time I've ever had this happen in several years of using nvda. It
was probably a one in a million glitch of some kind, but I'll watch and
see if it ever happens again but I doubt it will. Any ideas on what
might have happened? Just curious as I don't think this is a bug.

Roger






Re: print screen

 

Hi
If you're using Windows 10, read this: https://saomaicenter.org/en/blog/access-tech/using-windows-10-ocr-feature-nvda
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brice Mijares" <bricemijares@att.net>
To: "nvda" <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 11:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] print screen


Say I took a scrren shot of my bank accounts , using NVDA, what are the step by step I'd use to read the screen shot using an OCR feature? If I remember correctly, NVDA had such capabilities. thanks


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

molly the blind tech lover
 

I forgot desktop computers have a num pad key.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:40 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Adding the caps lock key doesn't stop the numpad insert from being used.  it adds another option.  In short, you can still use it. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 8:31 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PC's, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

 

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, can't help much there.


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On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly


OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Hi all,

 

With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to say that NVDA, using CodeFactory’s Eloquence add-on, is more responsive for me now than JAWS.

 

Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it wouldn’t speak any of that window.  I realise it was limited to a few configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time.  I also realise that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than problems with NVDA.

 

In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while yet, I think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.

 

But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA.  For example, it won’t read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you Control+Y in Outlook.  This is seriously annoying to me and one reason I couldn’t use it full time.  It is visually there, and JAWS reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.

 

Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.  You can’t just do a screen find, and click on it.  We really need an equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.

 

I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more polish than NVDA.

 

Just one guy’s opinion, don’t shoot me.

 

All the best


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Re: A weird one!

Roger Stewart
 

I was getting the table message in Thunderbird. However, the nvda keys were not working at all and that was global. I was able to hear the names of the running applications list so I could find and stop nvda. There was no way to stop nvda except using P-View as I couldn't bring up the shutdown dialogue or the nvda menu at all.

Roger












On 2/5/2019 10:28 AM, Gene wrote:
Are you saying this happened everywhere or just in certain places?  that may be important in guessing what occurred.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] A weird one!

When I started my computer this morning I went to read my email and
every key I pressed nvda kept saying "not in a table cell". I have no
idea what that was about. I tried nvda key plus q to quit or restart
nvda and it kept saying the same silly thing about table cells.
Fortunately I have the Spydec P-View utility and I was able to find
nvda.exe in the list of running apps and I was able to kill it from
there. After I restarted nvda, everything was normal again! This is the
first time I've ever had this happen in several years of using nvda. It
was probably a one in a million glitch of some kind, but I'll watch and
see if it ever happens again but I doubt it will. Any ideas on what
might have happened? Just curious as I don't think this is a bug.

Roger






print screen

Brice Mijares
 

Say I took a scrren shot of my bank accounts , using NVDA, what are the step by step I'd use to read the screen shot using an OCR feature? If I remember correctly, NVDA had such capabilities. thanks


Re: Getting Sound in Windows 10 Safe Mode

 

Also, though I know this topic is a spin-off on getting NVDA working in Safe Mode, its focus is really specific to Windows 10.  I have a dedicated topic, under the same name:
       Getting Sound in Windows 10 Safe Mode    
on the Windows 10 for Screen Reader Users Group, which can be read by anyone, and all ongoing information and discussion will be conducted on that topic.        
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Re: Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0

Gerardo Corripio
 

For those who have the voices, is it the same process to download and install the driver Add-on and the voices package_

 

                                                                                              Enviado desde Correo para Windows 10

 

De: Rui Fontes
Enviado: martes, 5 de febrero de 2019 10:30 a. m.
Para: Lista Internacional NVDA; Lista NVDA Addons; NVDA - Traduções
Asunto: [nvda] Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0

 

Hello!

 

All addons of Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0 are ready to last Alpha version of

NVDA...

 

The direct link for downloads page is:

https://www.tiflotecnia.net/downloads.htm

 

Best regards,

 

Rui Fontes

Tiflotecnia, Lda.

 

 

 


Re: Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0

Don H
 

Did I miss something here? What is NVDA 2.0?

On 2/5/2019 10:30 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!
All addons of Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0 are ready to last Alpha version of NVDA...
The direct link for downloads page is:
https://www.tiflotecnia.net/downloads.htm
Best regards,
Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

All addons of Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0 are ready to last Alpha version of NVDA...

The direct link for downloads page is:
https://www.tiflotecnia.net/downloads.htm

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Getting Sound in Windows 10 Safe Mode

 

Hello All,

         Mission has been accomplished, but I am trying to get one or two additional pieces of information regarding ownership of the registry key in question before writing up the instructions.

          The process involves manually editing the registry with regard to changing the ownership of the key (and there's only one) involved and granting full access to your Administrators group to it before running a 2-line registry edit script that deletes the existing key then reinserts it with the necessary value to allow sound in Safe Mode.

          Do I need to write up step-by-step instructions for regedit (and, if so, might someone know of an existing tutorial that I can use as a baseline rather than reinventing the wheel for that part)?  I'd rather refer folks to an existing tutorial if there's a good one on using regedit with a screen reader than having to write anything at all, but I will if I must.

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Re: A weird one!

Gene
 

Are you saying this happened everywhere or just in certain places?  that may be important in guessing what occurred.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:46 AM
Subject: [nvda] A weird one!

When I started my computer this morning I went to read my email and
every key I pressed nvda kept saying "not in a table cell". I have no
idea what that was about. I tried nvda key plus q to quit or restart
nvda and it kept saying the same silly thing about table cells.
Fortunately I have the Spydec P-View utility and I was able to find
nvda.exe in the list of running apps and I was able to kill it from
there. After I restarted nvda, everything was normal again! This is the
first time I've ever had this happen in several years of using nvda. It
was probably a one in a million glitch of some kind, but I'll watch and
see if it ever happens again but I doubt it will. Any ideas on what
might have happened? Just curious as I don't think this is a bug.

Roger





Re: Need help learning Braille

Gene
 

In the meantime, there are other ways you can give presentations without having to memorize.  I don't know what equipment you have, but you can use an earphone, over one ear, to play notes to yourself using something a laptop, a phone, a tablet, whatever is convenient.  If you were in a professional setting, such methods might be a detraction as opposed to Braille.  But in the classroom and as a temporary measure, I don't think they would matter.  I think that Braille, when used in such settings, makes you look more professional or equivalent to sighted people using printed notes.  But if you learn Braille, you can use this as a temporary measure. 
 
Also, you can learn as much Braille as you want.  Really strong Braille advocates may overemphasize what you will be able to do efficiently.  Many people who don't learn Braille as children don't develop the kind of speed to allow them to use Braille for reading books, for example.  They can do it, but their speed is too slow to be pleasant or practical.  And it isn't for lack of practice in many cases.  I know someone who learned Braille as a teenager and who is in the slow reader category. 
 
I should add that there may be ways of teaching and learning Braille that reduce or eliminate the problem, but that is what I gather is often the case with later Braille learners.  Others on the list may have comments that provide more information.  
 
And for your classroom settings, your use of computer equipment may be much shorter than you might expect.  You can learn contracted Braille but as you are starting, once you know the Braille alphabet and practice reading uncontracted Braille enough to be comfortable, if slow, you may find you can use your own Braille notes for presentations.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Jackie
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Need help learning Braille

sociohack, learning Braille is extremely helpful for what you want.
You may not get good enough to read books, but that isn't what you
want anyway. You just want to get good enough to read notes, etc, &
that is very very doable, even when you're older--& believe me, 22
just is not that old. I can assure you I use it for just that purpose,
as well as to sing in choir when I did that. I've seen people who were
older & even older diabetics learn it enough for those kinds of uses.
Learn it. Start now. You'll be ecstatic you did. Don't let the
naysayers have their day.

On 2/5/19, Sociohack AC <acsociopath@...> wrote:
> Hi guys!
> I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning Braille.
> I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent presentations in my
> class, and for now, I try and memorize all the stuff I need to present. It's
> a difficult and time consuming task, I'm thinking maybe learning Braille
> could help me in this regard. I see myself in professions which might need
> frequent public speaking.
>
> What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this point? How
> long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read on this forum
> that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at it, if you start
> leaning it at an advanced age.
>
> All feedback is welcome.
>
> Regards
>
>
>
>


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Re: Need help learning Braille

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Well I learned it at age 50 plus. I am not a brilliant reader but I do have a label machine and can read most things given time. Notes are OK. I suggest fingerprint if you want a DIY course but obviously its better if you can find a tutor as the texts to read on in many of the courses are about as thrilling as watching paint dry.
Probably not a subject for here though. However with the cheaper displays coming on the market with much harder to push down pins then if you are a scrubber or hard presser you can even learn on a computer.
One caveat is that if you have any nerve issues in the fingers you are going to struggle. I'd also say that do not expect that always your dominant hand or expected finger will be the best one to use, oh and if you find you have to read those horrid plastic thermally made texts, use a bite talk on your finger to stop it sticking if you sweat.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Sociohack AC" <acsociopath@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:59 PM
Subject: [nvda] Need help learning Braille


Hi guys!
I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning Braille. I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent presentations in my class, and for now, I try and memorize all the stuff I need to present. It's a difficult and time consuming task, I'm thinking maybe learning Braille could help me in this regard. I see myself in professions which might need frequent public speaking.

What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this point? How long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read on this forum that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at it, if you start leaning it at an advanced age.

All feedback is welcome.

Regards


Re: Need help learning Braille

Ervin, Glenn
 

Hi,

It is never too late.

Your state agency should teach you, but if not, Hadley School has a Braille curriculum for folks who are Blind.

I have taught it to people in their 90s, and I had one lady in her 90s who learned the entire alphabet in two weeks.

I know of diabetics with neuropathy who could read it faster than me, and I learned it at age 21, and although I’m not real fast, it meets my needs, but you can get much faster than I if you are motivated to learn it.

If I could not listen to audio feedback, I would be a lot faster, just from using it every day.

 

Glenn

 

 

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