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Re: trouble closing NVDA

Lou Kolb <loukolb@...>
 

If I recall, speech viewer is a way to show on the screen what the
synth is speaking and, no, I don't use it. But I'll certainly check to
make sure it hasn't been inadvertently turned on. I do know I've
installed several updates with no change in this behavior. I used to
run Vocalizer on this machine with no issues. I can't recall whether
it started before or after I started using eloquence. Lou

On 2/5/19, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@gmail.com> wrote:
I have Version: 2018.4.1

I am using eloquence paid version – I have the speech viewer off and don’t
have these issues.





From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin
Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA



Ok, if you bought Eloquence from the AT Guys it will certainly be the
legitimate version. The latest version of NVDA is 2018.4.1. We recommend
being on the latest version generally, but I'm not specifically aware of any
issues relating to this.



Ok, I just had another look through our issues, and I did find one sounding
very similar to yours, but the user was using Vocalizer rather than
eloquence (though they come in the same bundle, so it could be related), and
specifically, they had the speech viewer open. In that case, closing the
speech viewer stopped NVDA crashing. Do you use speech viewer?







On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Lou Kolb <loukolb@gmail.com
<mailto:loukolb@gmail.com> > wrote:

Quentin,
I believe I'm running 2018.3.2 on that system , and I only update when
prompted to. Eloquence was bought from the AT guys, so should be
legitimate. As I mentioned, I won't be at that location until
Saturday, but I'll copy and send you the log then. FYI, I work at a
radio station here in Pennsylvania and the computer I'm running NVDA
on is used for accessing the net and recording and playing audio.
However, I have plans to try it on the computer that actually runs the
station, and a problem like this would be absolutely unacceptable on
that system. Thanks, again for all the help and suggestions. Lou



On 2/5/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> >
wrote:
Well that depends on which version you have. the hacked one or the legal
one, but normally it does not seem either way to stop nvda closing, its
usually strange behaviour generally or just locking up with the dodgy
version.

Another thought sprang into my mind. Could another user have done a
system
restore on the machine?
That can certainly cause all manner of confusion. The restarting of nvda
being one of them!
Brian

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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 1:46 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA


By the way, the only add-on I'm aware of using is the Elloquence
cynth, but I think I had that problem before I installed it. And, I'm
not certain that that is an add-on anyway. Lou

On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org
<mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org> > wrote:
Thanks Lou!

Gene, While such a setting might be useful in this particular case, in
most cases, where the crash is unexpected, it's not necessarily when
the
user is trying to exit NVDA, and in that case, restarting is a good
thing.
In a case like this, I'd really like to get to the bottom of why it is
crashing and ideally fix the underlying cause. If it happens for
multiple
users, even more so.



On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:41 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@gmail.com
<mailto:loukolb@gmail.com> > wrote:

Quentin,

I won't be working again until Saturday, but I'll have a look at the
log then and send it to you, as well. Many thanks. Lou

On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org
<mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org> > wrote:
Sorry Lou, I should have specified that :)

If you have NVDA running, you can open the log either from NVDA's
tools
menu (NVDA+n, then T, the ENTER to view log, or by pressing
NVDA+F1).
You
can also find it in the %temp% directory (both the current nvda.log
and
the
previous nvda-old.log files are kept). More info on log files is at
:
https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps

Regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:55 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@gmail.com
<mailto:loukolb@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks, all, for the very helpful information. I'll certainly try
those line commands. I should mention that I generally use Jaws as
my
primary screen reader, mainly because I've used it for nearly 20
years. But I find I'm using NVDA more often now, especially in
situations where I don't want to get tangled in their licensing. In
fact, I do find that NVDA works better in some cases
Quentin, where do I find the NVDA log? Lou.

On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@nvaccess.org
<mailto:quentin@nvaccess.org> > wrote:
You can also quit NVDA with another comand-line switch - again
press
WINDOWS+R, then type:

nvda -q

and press ENTER. I would be interested in trying to work out
what
is
causing the problem in any case.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:36 AM Tony Malykh
<anton.malykh@gmail.com <mailto:anton.malykh@gmail.com> >
wrote:

As a workaround, you can kill NVDA by typing this command:

taskkill /f /im NVDA.exe

In Administrator command prompt.


On 2/4/2019 11:23 AM, Lou Kolb wrote:
I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and
a
Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At
work,
however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I
get
the
Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to
restart
the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set
to
start
on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any
known
fix
for it? Thanks. Lou




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Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Sarah k Alawami
 

I actually use laptop layout on my desktops and laptop It just feels a lot better and I don't have to move around all that much. My hands are in bad shape so the laptop layout helps a lot.

Now as for object nav think of it this way. Youhave a box, and you open the box. You look inside that box. If there are objects inside the box you open each box to figure out what it is, or isn't in some cases.

On 5 Feb 2019, at 13:42, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hmmm.  Interesting. I think I’ll experiment with desktop layout on my laptop.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

I just found another command that doesn't work in the laptop layout that is a desktop layout command, read current line, alt up arrow. 

 

However, you may have been referring to the numpad screen review and object navigation commands.  I believe that they work in both layouts, but that's beside the point.  If someone is using the laptop layout and doesn't have a numpad, they need to learn the laptop layout commands. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Some commands work in one layout and not in the other.  If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for read to end won't work, for example.  I don't know what other commands won't work. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly
















Re: trouble closing NVDA

Sam Bushman
 

I have Version: 2018.4.1

I am using eloquence paid version – I have the speech viewer off and don’t have these issues.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:18 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

 

Ok, if you bought Eloquence from the AT Guys it will certainly be the legitimate version.  The latest version of NVDA is 2018.4.1.  We recommend being on the latest version generally, but I'm not specifically aware of any issues relating to this.

 

Ok, I just had another look through our issues, and I did find one sounding very similar to yours, but the user was using Vocalizer rather than eloquence (though they come in the same bundle, so it could be related), and specifically, they had the speech viewer open.  In that case, closing the speech viewer stopped NVDA crashing.  Do you use speech viewer?

 

 

 

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...> wrote:

Quentin,
I believe I'm running 2018.3.2 on that system , and I only update when
prompted to. Eloquence was bought from the AT guys, so should be
legitimate. As I mentioned, I won't be at that location until
Saturday, but I'll copy and send you the log then. FYI, I work at a
radio station here in Pennsylvania and the computer I'm running NVDA
on is used for accessing the net and recording and playing audio.
However, I have plans to try it on the computer that actually runs the
station, and a problem like this would be absolutely unacceptable on
that system. Thanks, again for all the help and suggestions. Lou



On 2/5/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
> Well that depends on which version you have. the hacked one or the legal
> one, but normally it does not seem either way to stop nvda closing, its
> usually strange behaviour generally or just locking up with the dodgy
> version.
>
> Another thought sprang into my mind. Could another user have done a system
> restore on the machine?
>  That can certainly cause all manner of confusion. The restarting of nvda
> being one of them!
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lou Kolb" <loukolb@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 1:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>
>
>> By the way, the only add-on I'm aware of using is the Elloquence
>> cynth, but I think I had that problem before I installed it. And, I'm
>> not certain that that is an add-on anyway. Lou
>>
>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>>> Thanks Lou!
>>>
>>> Gene,  While such a setting might be useful in this particular case, in
>>> most cases, where the crash is unexpected, it's not necessarily when the
>>> user is trying to exit NVDA, and in that case, restarting is a good
>>> thing.
>>> In a case like this, I'd really like to get to the bottom of why it is
>>> crashing and ideally fix the underlying cause.  If it happens for
>>> multiple
>>> users, even more so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:41 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Quentin,
>>>>
>>>> I won't be working again until Saturday, but I'll have a look at the
>>>> log then and send it to you, as well. Many thanks. Lou
>>>>
>>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>>>> > Sorry Lou, I should have specified that :)
>>>> >
>>>> > If you have NVDA running, you can open the log either from NVDA's
>>>> > tools
>>>> > menu (NVDA+n, then T, the ENTER to view log, or by pressing NVDA+F1).
>>>> You
>>>> > can also find it in the %temp% directory (both the current nvda.log
>>>> > and
>>>> the
>>>> > previous nvda-old.log files are kept).  More info on log files is at
>>>> > :
>>>> > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> >
>>>> > Quentin.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:55 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Thanks, all, for the very helpful information. I'll certainly try
>>>> >> those line commands. I should mention that I generally use Jaws as
>>>> >> my
>>>> >> primary screen reader, mainly because I've used it for nearly 20
>>>> >> years. But I find I'm using NVDA more often now, especially in
>>>> >> situations where I don't want to get tangled in their licensing. In
>>>> >> fact, I do find that NVDA works better in some cases
>>>> >> Quentin, where do I find the NVDA log? Lou.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>>>> >> > You can also quit NVDA with another comand-line switch - again
>>>> >> > press
>>>> >> > WINDOWS+R, then type:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > nvda -q
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > and press ENTER.  I would be interested in trying to work out what
>>>> >> > is
>>>> >> > causing the problem in any case.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Kind regards
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Quentin.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:36 AM Tony Malykh
>>>> >> > <anton.malykh@...>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> As a workaround, you can kill NVDA by typing this command:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> taskkill /f /im NVDA.exe
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> In Administrator command prompt.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On 2/4/2019 11:23 AM, Lou Kolb wrote:
>>>> >> >> > I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and
>>>> >> >> > a
>>>> >> >> > Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At
>>>> >> >> > work,
>>>> >> >> > however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I get
>>>> >> >> > the
>>>> >> >> > Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
>>>> >> >> > continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to
>>>> >> >> > restart
>>>> >> >> > the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set
>>>> >> >> > to
>>>> >> >> > start
>>>> >> >> > on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any
>>>> >> >> > known
>>>> fix
>>>> >> >> > for it? Thanks. Lou
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > Quentin Christensen
>>>> >> > Training and Support Manager
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>> >> > available:
>>>> >> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > www.nvaccess.org
>>>> >> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>> >> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Quentin Christensen
>>>> > Training and Support Manager
>>>> >
>>>> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>> > available:
>>>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>> >
>>>> > www.nvaccess.org
>>>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Quentin Christensen
>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>
>>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>> www.nvaccess.org
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>



 

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Re: Donating

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Molly,

You don't need a PayPal account, although we use PayPal to process payment.  You can still donate with a credit card however.  When you get to checkout, it gives you the option to either enter credit card details, or log into PayPal.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 1:07 AM molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

Hi.

I’d like to start donating to NV access. Do I need to use pay pal for that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Kingett
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Donating

 

Yup! A subscription would help NV Access after the grants run out. Donating is the biggest and best way you can keep NV Access going. If you want something in return, buy a product or service from their store. Buy training materials. Throw money at them! :)



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Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
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Re: trouble closing NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Ok, if you bought Eloquence from the AT Guys it will certainly be the legitimate version.  The latest version of NVDA is 2018.4.1.  We recommend being on the latest version generally, but I'm not specifically aware of any issues relating to this.

Ok, I just had another look through our issues, and I did find one sounding very similar to yours, but the user was using Vocalizer rather than eloquence (though they come in the same bundle, so it could be related), and specifically, they had the speech viewer open.  In that case, closing the speech viewer stopped NVDA crashing.  Do you use speech viewer?



On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...> wrote:
Quentin,
I believe I'm running 2018.3.2 on that system , and I only update when
prompted to. Eloquence was bought from the AT guys, so should be
legitimate. As I mentioned, I won't be at that location until
Saturday, but I'll copy and send you the log then. FYI, I work at a
radio station here in Pennsylvania and the computer I'm running NVDA
on is used for accessing the net and recording and playing audio.
However, I have plans to try it on the computer that actually runs the
station, and a problem like this would be absolutely unacceptable on
that system. Thanks, again for all the help and suggestions. Lou



On 2/5/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
> Well that depends on which version you have. the hacked one or the legal
> one, but normally it does not seem either way to stop nvda closing, its
> usually strange behaviour generally or just locking up with the dodgy
> version.
>
> Another thought sprang into my mind. Could another user have done a system
> restore on the machine?
>  That can certainly cause all manner of confusion. The restarting of nvda
> being one of them!
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lou Kolb" <loukolb@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 1:46 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>
>
>> By the way, the only add-on I'm aware of using is the Elloquence
>> cynth, but I think I had that problem before I installed it. And, I'm
>> not certain that that is an add-on anyway. Lou
>>
>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>>> Thanks Lou!
>>>
>>> Gene,  While such a setting might be useful in this particular case, in
>>> most cases, where the crash is unexpected, it's not necessarily when the
>>> user is trying to exit NVDA, and in that case, restarting is a good
>>> thing.
>>> In a case like this, I'd really like to get to the bottom of why it is
>>> crashing and ideally fix the underlying cause.  If it happens for
>>> multiple
>>> users, even more so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:41 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Quentin,
>>>>
>>>> I won't be working again until Saturday, but I'll have a look at the
>>>> log then and send it to you, as well. Many thanks. Lou
>>>>
>>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>>>> > Sorry Lou, I should have specified that :)
>>>> >
>>>> > If you have NVDA running, you can open the log either from NVDA's
>>>> > tools
>>>> > menu (NVDA+n, then T, the ENTER to view log, or by pressing NVDA+F1).
>>>> You
>>>> > can also find it in the %temp% directory (both the current nvda.log
>>>> > and
>>>> the
>>>> > previous nvda-old.log files are kept).  More info on log files is at
>>>> > :
>>>> > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards
>>>> >
>>>> > Quentin.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:55 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> Thanks, all, for the very helpful information. I'll certainly try
>>>> >> those line commands. I should mention that I generally use Jaws as
>>>> >> my
>>>> >> primary screen reader, mainly because I've used it for nearly 20
>>>> >> years. But I find I'm using NVDA more often now, especially in
>>>> >> situations where I don't want to get tangled in their licensing. In
>>>> >> fact, I do find that NVDA works better in some cases
>>>> >> Quentin, where do I find the NVDA log? Lou.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
>>>> >> > You can also quit NVDA with another comand-line switch - again
>>>> >> > press
>>>> >> > WINDOWS+R, then type:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > nvda -q
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > and press ENTER.  I would be interested in trying to work out what
>>>> >> > is
>>>> >> > causing the problem in any case.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Kind regards
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Quentin.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:36 AM Tony Malykh
>>>> >> > <anton.malykh@...>
>>>> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> As a workaround, you can kill NVDA by typing this command:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> taskkill /f /im NVDA.exe
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> In Administrator command prompt.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On 2/4/2019 11:23 AM, Lou Kolb wrote:
>>>> >> >> > I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and
>>>> >> >> > a
>>>> >> >> > Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At
>>>> >> >> > work,
>>>> >> >> > however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I get
>>>> >> >> > the
>>>> >> >> > Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
>>>> >> >> > continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to
>>>> >> >> > restart
>>>> >> >> > the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set
>>>> >> >> > to
>>>> >> >> > start
>>>> >> >> > on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any
>>>> >> >> > known
>>>> fix
>>>> >> >> > for it? Thanks. Lou
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > Quentin Christensen
>>>> >> > Training and Support Manager
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>> >> > available:
>>>> >> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > www.nvaccess.org
>>>> >> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>> >> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > Quentin Christensen
>>>> > Training and Support Manager
>>>> >
>>>> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>> > available:
>>>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>> >
>>>> > www.nvaccess.org
>>>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Quentin Christensen
>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>
>>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>
>>> www.nvaccess.org
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0

Bob Jutzi
 

I installed the driver, then the compact voices and NVDA still comes up
with a No Voices are Installed error.  Should I be able to run as a
demo?  I am running the latest NVDA Alpha, 16709.

On 2/5/2019 2:44 PM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Sorry, I didn't place the quotes... Smile!

"Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0"

It is our old version of Vocalizer Expressive...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 16:35 de 05/02/2019, Don H escreveu:
Did I miss something here?  What is NVDA 2.0?

On 2/5/2019 10:30 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

All addons of Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0 are ready to last Alpha version
of NVDA...

The direct link for downloads page is:
https://www.tiflotecnia.net/downloads.htm

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.







.


Re: Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0

Jeff Samco
 

As a new NVDA user help me understand if these Vocalizer voices are free to install and use at no charge? If so, is this legitimate since I thought, like Eloquence, these Vocalizer voices require a purchase.
Thanks,
Jeff

At 11:44 AM 2/5/2019, you wrote:
Sorry, I didn't place the quotes... Smile!

"Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0"

It is our old version of Vocalizer Expressive...

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.


Às 16:35 de 05/02/2019, Don H escreveu:
Did I miss something here? What is NVDA 2.0?
On 2/5/2019 10:30 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

All addons of Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0 are ready to last Alpha version of NVDA...

The direct link for downloads page is:
https://www.tiflotecnia.net/downloads.htm

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.




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Re: Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0

Rui Fontes
 

Hello!

Try:
https://www.tiflotecnia.net/en/downloads.htm

Regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda


Às 20:38 de 05/02/2019, Richard Wells escreveu:

Rui: Would it be possible to get an English translation of this page? I am having lots of trouble navigating the Portuguese site.
On 2/5/2019 10:30 AM, Rui Fontes wrote:
Hello!

All addons of Vocalizer for NVDA 2.0 are ready to last Alpha version of NVDA...

The direct link for downloads page is:
https://www.tiflotecnia.net/downloads.htm

Best regards,

Rui Fontes
Tiflotecnia, Lda.



Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hmmm.  Interesting. I think I’ll experiment with desktop layout on my laptop.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

I just found another command that doesn't work in the laptop layout that is a desktop layout command, read current line, alt up arrow. 

 

However, you may have been referring to the numpad screen review and object navigation commands.  I believe that they work in both layouts, but that's beside the point.  If someone is using the laptop layout and doesn't have a numpad, they need to learn the laptop layout commands. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Gene

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Some commands work in one layout and not in the other.  If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for read to end won't work, for example.  I don't know what other commands won't work. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly
















Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

molly the blind tech lover
 

I think the problem was my friend tried using insert or caps lock while pressing the arrow keys and it didn't work. Or something like that. I realize I'm not explaining this very well, butI bet if we used NVDA remote support I could help figure it out. But then I'd feel like I was hijacking the computer. Not my intention 😉

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly


Re: python

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


nks


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Gene
 

Here is a correction.  Read current line in the desktop layout is NVDA key up arrow.  it doesn't work in the laptop layout.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I just found another command that doesn't work in the laptop layout that is a desktop layout command, read current line, alt up arrow. 
 
However, you may have been referring to the numpad screen review and object navigation commands.  I believe that they work in both layouts, but that's beside the point.  If someone is using the laptop layout and doesn't have a numpad, they need to learn the laptop layout commands. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Some commands work in one layout and not in the other.  If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for read to end won't work, for example.  I don't know what other commands won't work. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly

















Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Gene
 

I just found another command that doesn't work in the laptop layout that is a desktop layout command, read current line, alt up arrow. 
 
However, you may have been referring to the numpad screen review and object navigation commands.  I believe that they work in both layouts, but that's beside the point.  If someone is using the laptop layout and doesn't have a numpad, they need to learn the laptop layout commands. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Some commands work in one layout and not in the other.  If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for read to end won't work, for example.  I don't know what other commands won't work. 
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
 Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly

















Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

Thanks. This helps.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:09 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hi Molly

Rather than refer to these keys as CapsLock and Insert, refer to them as NVDA Modifier keys.  Irrespective of what keyboard layout you are using, you can designate  any or all of Capslock, NumPadInsert and Insert as NVDA modifiers. 

These are set to your choice in the Keyboard dialog (NVDA+ctrl+k) and appear in the “Select NVDA modifier keys list”.  So when you see something like NVDA+Ctrl+k, the NVDA reference in this command can be any of the keys you checked in this list.

 

Cheers

Chris

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 5 February 2019 14:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PCs, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, cant help much there.


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile...

On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isnt Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lees tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From:        molly the blind tech lover

Sent:          Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

To:             nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:     Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From:        molly the blind tech lover

Sent:          Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To:             nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:     [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly

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Re: python

Kerryn Gunness <k_gunness@...>
 


hi travis
thanks man
i tried once with edx and i had to download anaconda, which is not accessible
 
 
could you email me privately?
 
email is
 
 
 

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:05 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] python

As far as I know, (and I did take a couple of their courses), the EDX courses are completely accessible.  The courses I've taken didn't have any images showing data you needed to answer a question, so that's a good thing.  The discussions can get a bit heated, but that's normal, no matter what class you're in.  But, specifically the intro to python course is accessible, I know for sure, because I took that one, along with some others, like cell phone technology, and css creation.  (I still don't have a handle on css, but ...)

On 2/4/2019 9:45 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi


Sorry i can not help you there about any of the book or courses it was a list from other users that they have used or been pointed to.


But i do see the same sort of question asked  periodically about books etc so people can either help out or maybe learn to do a add on etc.


if i come across where some of these links are I plan sooner or later to add them to a page.


Gene nz


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On 5/02/2019 2:23 PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:
the intro to python from edx, is it accessible?
thanks allot
 
kerryn
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Subject: Re: [nvda] python

Hi


A few people on the list gave books etc you can learn from. Some are free and some are paid.


I put them into a doc file just in case people wanted it.


They are below if i come across others I will add to the list.




Learning Python books and courses

 

 

 

 

 

Learn python the hard way https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

A python hands on tutorial http://anh.cs.luc.edu/python/hands-on/3.1/handsonHtml/index.html

 

Python for Everybody: Exploring Data Using Python 3 https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/textbooks/336

 

 

And some online courses,

 

These are free, but if you want a certificate of completion, you can pay for it if you pass the course.

 

 

Introduction to Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-for-data-science

 

Python for data science https://www.edx.org/course/python-for-data-science-1

 

Introduction to Python: Absolute Beginner https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-absolute-beginner-2

 

Introduction to Python: Fundamentals https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-fundamentals-2

 

Principles of Machine Learning: Python Edition https://www.edx.org/course/principles-of-machine-learning-python-edition

 

Computing in Python I: Fundamentals and Procedural Programming https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-i-fundamentals-and-procedural-programming-2

 

Computing in Python II: Control Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-ii-control-structures-2

 

Computing in Python III: Data Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iii-data-structures-2

 

Computing in Python IV: Objects & Algorithms https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iv-objects-algorithms-2

 

Visualizing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-visualization-with-python

 

Advanced Algorithmics and Graph Theory with Python https://www.edx.org/course/advanced-algorithmics-and-graph-theory-with-python

 

Analyzing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-analysis-with-python

 

Deep Learning with Python and PyTorch https://www.edx.org/course/deep-learning-with-python-and-pytorch

 

Python Basics for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/python-basics-for-data-science

 

Machine Learning with Python: A Practical Introduction https://www.edx.org/course/machine-learning-with-python-for-edx

 

Using Python for Research https://www.edx.org/course/using-python-for-research

 

Introduction to Python: Creating Scalable, Robust, Interactive Code https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-creating-scalable-robust-interactive-code

 

Programming with Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/programming-with-python-for-data-science

 

Introduction to Programming Using Python https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-programming-using-python

 

CS For All: Introduction to Computer Science and Python Programming https://www.edx.org/course/cs-all-introduction-computer-science-harveymuddx-cs005x-0

 

 

These are all pay courses, but if you are careful, you can buy bundles that have multiple courses in them.

 

 

Stone river elearning has 32 python courses at: https://stoneriverelearning.com/courses/category/Python

 

 

skillwise has several python courses, some of which are listed below.

 

Python Programming Bootcamp 2.0 https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-programming-bootcamp-2-2

 

Python 3 Bootcamp Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-bootcamp-2017-python-3

 

Machine Learning with Python Course and E-Book Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-machine-learning-online-course-and-book-bundle

 

Deep Learning: Convolutional Neural Networks in Python https://www.skillwise.com/sales/deep-learning-convolutional-neural-networks-in-python

 

The Python Power Coder BONUS Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-power-coder-bonus-bundle

 

Become a Professional Python Programmer https://www.skillwise.com/sales/become-a-professional-python-programmer

 

Python Tutorial: Python 100% Hands-On - Learn by Coding https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-tutorial-python-100-hands-on-learn-by-coding

 

Pay What You Want: The Python Master Class Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/pwyw-the-python-master-class-bundle

 

 

And, finally, educba.com also has python courses such as:

 

Become a Python Developer

 

Artificial Intelligence with python

python 3.5 Training

The Ultimate python Programming - Novice to Ninja

Practical Projects of python Programming

python:01 - python Fundamentals

Data Science with python

python for Beginners

Machine Learning using python

 

Now, I know the educba classes are expensive if bought separately, but if you hang out on stacksocial.com or even skillwise.com ( at times) you can purchase whole groups of training all at once.  I got a deal for all of stone river Elearning for $59, then for $99 I got the whole collection of educba classes.  (the next day, I saw it for $49) *grumble*), so if you're patient, and if you really want to learn, there's no reason why you can't learn anything you like.  This is just talking about python classes and books, but this works for just about any topic.

 

stackskills.com also has several python courses, and I got access to 1100 plus courses (all it/technology related for $19 again, from stacksocial.com

 

 

 

https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

 

Here's A Byte of Python.

 

 

https://python.swaroopch.com/

 

 

Here's Think Python.

 

 

http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

 

 

Here's one on programming games.

 

 

http://inventwithpython.com/

 

 

Finally, here's a link somebody posted a while back to stuff Joseph

wrote up.

 

 

 

On 5/02/2019 9:31 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:
hi group
do you have any tutorial or book on absolute basic course on python for beginners?
thanks



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Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Gene
 

Some commands work in one layout and not in the other.  If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for read to end won't work, for example.  I don't know what other commands won't work. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
 Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly

















Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, but that’s not useful when you are traversing folders and want to know which ones have unread messages in them.  This should have been fixed a long time ago in NVDA, in my view.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 05 February 2019 20:34
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

 

Steve,

I am using nvda with win 7 and outlook 2013.

When I am in the message list of my inbox folder and want to  info on messages, I press insert plus end.  It tells me number of messages and number of unread messages.

hth

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: February-05-19 11:04 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

 

Hi all,

 

With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to say that NVDA, using CodeFactory’s Eloquence add-on, is more responsive for me now than JAWS.

 

Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it wouldn’t speak any of that window.  I realise it was limited to a few configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time.  I also realise that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than problems with NVDA.

 

In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while yet, I think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.

 

But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA.  For example, it won’t read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you Control+Y in Outlook.  This is seriously annoying to me and one reason I couldn’t use it full time.  It is visually there, and JAWS reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.

 

Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.  You can’t just do a screen find, and click on it.  We really need an equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.

 

I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more polish than NVDA.

 

Just one guy’s opinion, don’t shoot me.

 

All the best


Steve

 

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Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Hi,

In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what gives it
the advantage.

You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.

All the best

Steve

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OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane then...grin
I do agree that although the screen and other navigation modes are powerful,
the issue is the way to use them for those not interested in understanding
objects children and all of that layered stuff. Flat review only seems to be
utilising half of the power, but since I am not sure what Jaws actually is
doing behind the scenes, given they probably harvest similar data, I'll
leave it at that.
I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor loaded in
windows 7.
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi all,



With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to say
that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more responsive for me
now than JAWS.



Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control Panel in
Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it wouldn't
speak
any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few configurations, but
it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise that these problems are
borne of problems with UIA, rather than problems with NVDA.



In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while yet,
I
think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.



But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example, it
won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you Control+Y in
Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one reason I couldn't use
it
full time. It is visually there, and JAWS reads it, so in my view, by
now,
NVDA should read it too.



Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an
equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.



I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to screen
reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more polish than
NVDA.



Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.



All the best


Steve



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Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Cristóbal
 

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

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Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
Brian

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From: "Gene" <gsasner@gmail.com>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout. One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation. I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine? Which keyboard layout are
they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Chris Mullins
 

Hi Molly

Rather than refer to these keys as CapsLock and Insert, refer to them as NVDA Modifier keys.  Irrespective of what keyboard layout you are using, you can designate  any or all of Capslock, NumPadInsert and Insert as NVDA modifiers. 

These are set to your choice in the Keyboard dialog (NVDA+ctrl+k) and appear in the “Select NVDA modifier keys list”.  So when you see something like NVDA+Ctrl+k, the NVDA reference in this command can be any of the keys you checked in this list.

 

Cheers

Chris

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 5 February 2019 14:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Let’s assume it’s desktop layout. I’m assuming the insert key can still be used for object  navigation?

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:27 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Molly, FWIW, on all my desktop layout PCs, I do have the keyboard settings option turned on to also be able to use caps lock when it suits me.

But, have never worked with laptop layout as such, so, cant help much there.


Jacob Kruger
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On 2019-02-05 4:15 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’ll ask what layout he’s using.

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

It isnt Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

 

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future. 

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lees tutorial.


Gene

----- Original Message -----

From:        molly the blind tech lover

Sent:          Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM

To:             nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:     Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they’re using.

From:        nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From:        molly the blind tech lover

Sent:          Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To:             nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject:     [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

 

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I’m trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Molly

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