Date   

link for Hadley survey

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

Here's the link for the survey I was trying to fill out.

 

Rosemarie

 

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZB552HL


Re: can't submit a survey to Hadley

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Ok.

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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:09 AM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] can't submit a survey to Hadley

Could you send us the link? I would like to have a go!



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 6:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't submit a survey to Hadley



Hi, everyone,



I just finished taking a course in independent living housekeeping. I was
able to answer the questions in the survey but when it came to trying to
submit it, I couldn't. I tried it with both NVDA and system access to go but
neither screen reader saw the submit button. I even tried it with object
navigation but that didn't work either. Have any of you had trouble with
submitting surveys to Hadley using NVDA? I had to send the email about the
survey to my sister to help me fill it out.



Rosemarie



P.S. I tried with webbie browser and firefox but the same thing happened.


Re: can't submit a survey to Hadley

Cearbhall O'Meadhra
 

Could you send us the link? I would like to have a go!

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 6:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't submit a survey to Hadley

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just finished taking a course in independent living housekeeping. I was able to answer the questions in the survey but when it came to trying to submit it, I couldn't. I tried it with both NVDA and system access to go but neither screen reader saw the submit button. I even tried it with object navigation but that didn't work either. Have any of you had trouble with submitting surveys to Hadley using NVDA? I had to send the email about the survey to my sister to help me fill it out.

 

Rosemarie

 

P.S. I tried with webbie browser and firefox but the same thing happened.

 

 


Re: can't submit a survey to Hadley

Arlene
 

Oh, not good! What windows is she using? Is it something to do with Windows ten?  Is it something neither of your screen readers see?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: June-16-16 10:49 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] can't submit a survey to Hadley

 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just finished taking a course in independent living housekeeping. I was able to answer the questions in the survey but when it came to trying to submit it, I couldn't. I tried it with both NVDA and system access to go but neither screen reader saw the submit button. I even tried it with object navigation but that didn't work either. Have any of you had trouble with submitting surveys to Hadley using NVDA? I had to send the email about the survey to my sister to help me fill it out.

 

Rosemarie

 

P.S. I tried with webbie browser and firefox but the same thing happened.

 

 


can't submit a survey to Hadley

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi, everyone,

 

I just finished taking a course in independent living housekeeping. I was able to answer the questions in the survey but when it came to trying to submit it, I couldn't. I tried it with both NVDA and system access to go but neither screen reader saw the submit button. I even tried it with object navigation but that didn't work either. Have any of you had trouble with submitting surveys to Hadley using NVDA? I had to send the email about the survey to my sister to help me fill it out.

 

Rosemarie

 

P.S. I tried with webbie browser and firefox but the same thing happened.

 

 


Re: espeak n g no good it sneezes on some words

Sharni-Lee Ward
 

Well, in the case of verbosity as I traverse the system, I do a lot of
rapid scrolling and pressing of ctrl. I know what my system says where
and am familiar enough with my computer to know where things are without
being told. :)


Reading stories and articles is most of what I do with NVDA. Changing
speeds from super fast to what I consider normal and back would be quite
as jarring as listening to a piece of music at double-speed and then
straight away listening to the same song at normal speed. Whenever I do
that the normal rate sounds too slow...

On 16/06/2016 7:42 AM, n8mnx@... wrote:
Some of us can certainly listen to fast rates of speed. I listen to
my reading machine at 500 words per minute and I will also listen to
my nls player at the highest speed. If I listen to slow that would
just put me to sleep.
Brian Sackrider

On 6/10/2016 3:00 AM, Pete wrote:

hi

I have been using screen readers since 95 in windows except for an
old apple 2 e in the late 80s with textalker.


I do slow down first thing in the morning, uncheck the rate boost
and set speed to 100 % .

To me nvda set to 30 % sounds like if you set yours to 0 % or slower.

I am just used to it fast.

Pete



On 6/9/2016 11:14 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
... How can anyone understand what's being read or enjoy what they're
reading at such outrageous speeds? I've never changed NVDA from its
default rate with espeak. And how can you even tell there's fluttering
if the synth is yammering on so fast you can barely make out the words?
I just tested it and I can't make out what's being said at all. If I
didn't know the contents of the dialogue, I'd be lost.


On 9/06/2016 9:12 PM, Pete wrote:
hi

I all ways used the default nvda max english voice, I am
disappointed in the changes made to espeak in nvda I think starting
with nvda 2015 or may be as far back as 2014. Were the changes made
to espeak by nvda devel or the creator of espeak. I would like a
choice in nvda setup to be able to pick witch espeak to install. I
feal the need for speed quite freequently and to have that fluttering
sound in there when the check box for rate boost is checked so I can
get up to a 600 to 800 words per min is disruptive. I am still trying
to get used to it.

Pete

On 6/8/2016 1:43 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i use iven3 which is the best voice and also with default rate of
nvda
which is 30!
its very perfect for me.

On 6/7/16, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
I have replaced the data from old espeak over and the syntth works a
lot
better one person had trouble however, espeak at least the word
stuff
works as I expect it so I am not to worried.



On 8/06/2016 3:31 a.m., Pete wrote:
as the s line says espeak n g makes a buzzing or sneezing sound
along
with some words.
NOT COOL AT ALL
along with the funny noises the voice flutters
This is default espeakng max voice set to en...
windows 7 x64 pro clean install
nvda installed using default settings except for speed set
to 100
percent
Can I replace the espeak n g with the older one by copying the
old one
over the new one in the program files x86 \ nvda folder?
Thanks for any help!
Pete




.








Re: libra office?

Danni
 

Okay tried that didn't work!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Fisher" <andrefisher729@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Have you tried disabling Report object descriptions in NVDA's object
presentation dialog?

On 6/15/16, Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:
I should have been more clear sorry!
It keeps saying what the file is and sheet and please hit enter for child
... just seems to talk too much!
I don't mind it talking while i type but it's giving me too much info about
what file am in and press this and that and ugg by the time it's done I
forget which info I want to put in the cell!

I wish I could add more but my brain goes into meltdown mode when it starts
talking so much haha

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Danni,

If by "shut off the chatter" you mean to stop NVDA from speaking
while you type, etc., you can use NVDA Key+S to toggle speech mode. I also
use the No Beeps Speech Mode NVDA add-on so that I either have speech or
silence, as there is a third feedback using beeps which I have no use for.
The NVDA Key+S is a true on/off toggle for speech if you use that add-on,
otherwise it is a cycling switch between, off, beep mode, and speech mode.
--
Brian


I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's
never enough to keep up.

~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life
in the Universe"











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Re: NVDA Issues.

Quentin Christensen
 

Ok, if you are getting formatting information, then it's actually control that's not being picked up, rather than the insert - are you using the same control key when you change insert keys?

I've found sometimes the control / shift or alt keys get "stuck" on - that is Windows thinks you are holding the key down when you aren't.  In that case I usually tap all the offending keys a few times quickly and it seems to sort itself out.

Another possibility, particularly if you are using the other control key, is that one of your control keys isn't working for some reason perhaps?

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 12:21 AM, Life My Way via Groups.io <lifemyway@...> wrote:

Ok, it did not work to disable add ons it still happens anyplace i use the numpad insert control f i get formating information instead of the find that nvda is supposed to be doing.


On 6/14/2016 10:38 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
I haven't seen this behaviour before, but if you have a specific situation that this happens consistently in, could you please try restarting with addons disabled and see if it still happens?

To restart with addons disabled, press NVDA+q, then down arrow to "Restart with addons disabled" and press ENTER (you'll need to have "show exit options when exiting NVDA checked in NVDA's general settings).

If it does still happen with addons disabled, please let me know.  If It doesn't still happen with addons disabled, could you please list the addons that you are using  (NVDA+n then go to "tools" then "manage add ons" to see the list).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 1:10 PM, Life My Way via Groups.io <lifemyway@...> wrote:

i also have the check box checked in the keyboard settings to use the numpad insert that is also checked.


On 6/14/2016 10:01 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
Hi there,

So you're saying if you use extended insert in the NVDA+control+f command it works but not numpad insert+control+f?

Does numpad insert work for other NVDA commands?

If not, the two likely options are that you have numlock turned on, or that you perhaps in NVDA's keyboard settings have unchecked to use "numpad insert as an NVDA modifier key".  You can get to those settings by pressing NVDA+control+k or NVDA+n then choose preferences then keyboard settings (using whichever NVDA modifier key is working).

In terms of not saving settings, NVDA has a checkbox "Save settings on exit" in its general settings (NVDA+control+g or NVDA+n then preferences then general).  As long as that is set, the current settings should be saved when you exit NVDA.  If you don't exit NVDA but rather shut the computer down, they should still be saved as long as you do shut the computer down and don't just hold the power button down or pull the power cord out etc.

If you don't have that setting enabled, you can manually save settings from the NVDA menu.

The other thing that can cause settings to change is if you save configuration profiles for different programs (NVDA+n then choose "Configuration profiles").  There's more on configuration profiles in the NVDA user guide at: http://www.nvaccess.org/files/nvda/documentation/userGuide.html?#toc79  or more in depth instructions and activities in the NVDA training material at: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Jun 15, 2016 at 4:24 AM, Life My Way via Groups.io <lifemyway@...> wrote:
Ok, i have some questions and hopefully something can be done.
My first question is about the find comand nvda control f the regular nvda control f for me does not work weather i use a whireless or USB computer keyboard.
the extended nvda control f works but I am used to the regular way of doing things; Yes i set up a different hot key  combo but would perfer to be able to use the regular nvda control f.
on a lap top i also have that key combo works fine.
and no i do not have the laptop layout on in nvda on my desktop.
Now as to the other question every so offten nvda goes into a read only mode.
That you can not save any settings why is this? and how can you fix it.
The only way i can fix it is by taking the half read only away from the folder.
but when i do i can not still save settings when shutting nvda down it will not come back when doing  alt control n.
So please help!!!!!!






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Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 





--
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Training Material Developer

Ph +61 7 3149 3306 
Direct: +61 413 904 383
www.nvaccess.org 
Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: espeak n g no good it sneezes on some words

n8mnx@att.net
 

Some of us can certainly listen to fast rates of speed. I listen to my reading machine at 500 words per minute and I will also listen to my nls player at the highest speed. If I listen to slow that would just put me to sleep.
Brian Sackrider

On 6/10/2016 3:00 AM, Pete wrote:

hi

I have been using screen readers since 95 in windows except for an old apple 2 e in the late 80s with textalker.


I do slow down first thing in the morning, uncheck the rate boost and set speed to 100 % .

To me nvda set to 30 % sounds like if you set yours to 0 % or slower.

I am just used to it fast.

Pete



On 6/9/2016 11:14 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:
... How can anyone understand what's being read or enjoy what they're
reading at such outrageous speeds? I've never changed NVDA from its
default rate with espeak. And how can you even tell there's fluttering
if the synth is yammering on so fast you can barely make out the words?
I just tested it and I can't make out what's being said at all. If I
didn't know the contents of the dialogue, I'd be lost.


On 9/06/2016 9:12 PM, Pete wrote:
hi

I all ways used the default nvda max english voice, I am
disappointed in the changes made to espeak in nvda I think starting
with nvda 2015 or may be as far back as 2014. Were the changes made
to espeak by nvda devel or the creator of espeak. I would like a
choice in nvda setup to be able to pick witch espeak to install. I
feal the need for speed quite freequently and to have that fluttering
sound in there when the check box for rate boost is checked so I can
get up to a 600 to 800 words per min is disruptive. I am still trying
to get used to it.

Pete

On 6/8/2016 1:43 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i use iven3 which is the best voice and also with default rate of nvda
which is 30!
its very perfect for me.

On 6/7/16, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
I have replaced the data from old espeak over and the syntth works a
lot
better one person had trouble however, espeak at least the word stuff
works as I expect it so I am not to worried.



On 8/06/2016 3:31 a.m., Pete wrote:
as the s line says espeak n g makes a buzzing or sneezing sound
along
with some words.
NOT COOL AT ALL
along with the funny noises the voice flutters
This is default espeakng max voice set to en...
windows 7 x64 pro clean install
nvda installed using default settings except for speed set to 100
percent
Can I replace the espeak n g with the older one by copying the
old one
over the new one in the program files x86 \ nvda folder?
Thanks for any help!
Pete




.





Re: libra office?

 

All screen readers, including NVDA, allow you to set verbosity modes, and the default one JAWS is called Beginner.  I am not quite sure how this is controlled in NVDA and am in a hurry at the moment.  Were I you I would start a separate thread asking about how to control verbosity level when working with NVDA, as it appears to be spread across more than one set of preferences and others can help better than I can.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



Re: libra office?

Andre Fisher
 

Have you tried disabling Report object descriptions in NVDA's object
presentation dialog?

On 6/15/16, Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:
I should have been more clear sorry!
It keeps saying what the file is and sheet and please hit enter for child
... just seems to talk too much!
I don't mind it talking while i type but it's giving me too much info about
what file am in and press this and that and ugg by the time it's done I
forget which info I want to put in the cell!

I wish I could add more but my brain goes into meltdown mode when it starts
talking so much haha

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Danni,

If by "shut off the chatter" you mean to stop NVDA from speaking
while you type, etc., you can use NVDA Key+S to toggle speech mode. I also
use the No Beeps Speech Mode NVDA add-on so that I either have speech or
silence, as there is a third feedback using beeps which I have no use for.
The NVDA Key+S is a true on/off toggle for speech if you use that add-on,
otherwise it is a cycling switch between, off, beep mode, and speech mode.
--
Brian


I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's
never enough to keep up.

~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life
in the Universe"











Re: libra office?

Danni
 


I should have been more clear sorry!
It keeps saying what the file is and sheet and please hit enter for child ... just seems to talk too much!
I don't mind it talking while i type but it's giving me too much info about what file am in and press this and that and ugg by the time it's done I forget which info I want to put in the cell!
 
I wish I could add more but my brain goes into meltdown mode when it starts talking so much haha
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?

Danni,

          If by "shut off the chatter" you mean to stop NVDA from speaking while you type, etc., you can use NVDA Key+S to toggle speech mode.  I also use the No Beeps Speech Mode NVDA add-on so that I either have speech or silence, as there is a third feedback using beeps which I have no use for.  The NVDA Key+S is a true on/off toggle for speech if you use that add-on, otherwise it is a cycling switch between, off, beep mode, and speech mode.
--
Brian

I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's never enough to keep up.

         ~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe"

    



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Re: Announcing NVDA 2016.2.1RS1 (20160613)

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 

  oh, ok, thanks 

no brainer right? 

  Pete 



On 6/15/2016 1:40 PM, Joseph Lee wrote:

Hi,

Codename for Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing NVDA 2016.2.1RS1 (20160613)

 

 

  Hi 

  What is red stone any ways? 

  Pete 

 

 

On 6/14/2016 7:09 PM, Arianna Sepulveda wrote:

Joseph, I've been a little confused by windows 10 and this Redstone thing. I am using Windows 10 home edition, so I don't have any control over what and when updates are installed. Do I need to be worried about Redstone? I don't want to suddenly find myself upgraded to it, and to be running a version of NVDA that doesn't work well with it, and not be able to get this try build version of NVDA onto my computer.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Some of you may recall a message I sent a few days ago announcing a try build of NVDA that supports Redstone. The update to this build is now out:

https://t.co/WasodNKlh5

 

Overview:

·         Includes features and sacrifices from NVDA 2016.2.1 (due to issues, grammar error announcement is gone in 2016.2.1 until a better solution is found).

·         Based on latest NVDA master (live beta) snapshot. Don’t worry if you hear error tones.

·         This build is optimized for Windows 10 Anniversary Update Preview build 14342 or later. The recommended build is 14361.

 

Differences from regular NVDA 2016.2.1 release:

·         Does not support updates.

·         Based on development branch code.

·         Do not install this build unless if you’d like to try out several items outlined below.

·         Due to ever-changing nature of Windows 10, updated builds of this kind will be released if accessibility fixes are required after Microsoft releases Insider builds.

·         Important: This is a third-party build. If you’d like to use snapshots from NV Access, please use either master or next snapshots, or use the latest released version (2016.2.1).

 

Changelog:

·         Redesigned UAC dialog is now announced (if you install this try build). In recent Redstone builds, UAC dialog has received a complete redesign – no longer a desktop dialog, it is now powered by Universal Windows Platform. This means all screen readers are affected when it comes to announcing UAC prompts.

·         NVDA now announces contents of sign-in and other secure screens in Redstone and other Windows 10 builds (also includes Threshold (10240 and 10586) builds).

·         You can now activate password edit box if you’re using touchscreens (may not work properly; don’t worry, all the provisions are there).

·         NVDA will announce status messages if you type a wrong password.

·         Browse mode makes a partial return in Microsoft Edge (ironically, it does not work in Edge itself, but it does work in Feedback Hub app).

 

Important things to note on current Windows 10 Redstone builds:

·         Invalid entry announcement: gone in build 14361 (a XAML (eXtensible Application Markup Language) markup problem in universal apps framework is to blame).

·         If you are using build 14361 and if you happen to restart NVDA, Start search suggestions will not be announced. The workaround is to launch Narrator, do a search, and then NVDA will start announcing suggestions (likely an issue with unresponsive or slow UI Automation).

·         Certain dialogs are not recognized as dialogs nor contents are announced. I’m actively hunting for these dialogs (partly caused by UI Automation tagging issue where NV Access and Microsoft have differing opinions on what a dialog is).

 

Contributing code: if you’d like to see the beauty of this build and/or help fix Windows 10 issues, please let me know. As always, source code of this and other NVDA artifacts can be obtained from the following location:

http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda

My own lab of NVDA code (where I have several experimental branches not found in NV Access repository) can be found at:

http://github.com/josephsl/nvda

 

Sending feedback: If you have feedback regarding this build, please send them to me directly (joseph.lee22590@...), via Twitter at @joslee or Facebook at josephsl. Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 



Re: Announcing NVDA 2016.2.1RS1 (20160613)

 

Hi,

Codename for Windows 10 Anniversary Update.

Cheers,

Joseph

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 10:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Announcing NVDA 2016.2.1RS1 (20160613)

 

 

  Hi 

  What is red stone any ways? 

  Pete 

 

 

On 6/14/2016 7:09 PM, Arianna Sepulveda wrote:

Joseph, I've been a little confused by windows 10 and this Redstone thing. I am using Windows 10 home edition, so I don't have any control over what and when updates are installed. Do I need to be worried about Redstone? I don't want to suddenly find myself upgraded to it, and to be running a version of NVDA that doesn't work well with it, and not be able to get this try build version of NVDA onto my computer.

 

 

Thanks,

Ari


On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Some of you may recall a message I sent a few days ago announcing a try build of NVDA that supports Redstone. The update to this build is now out:

https://t.co/WasodNKlh5

 

Overview:

·         Includes features and sacrifices from NVDA 2016.2.1 (due to issues, grammar error announcement is gone in 2016.2.1 until a better solution is found).

·         Based on latest NVDA master (live beta) snapshot. Don’t worry if you hear error tones.

·         This build is optimized for Windows 10 Anniversary Update Preview build 14342 or later. The recommended build is 14361.

 

Differences from regular NVDA 2016.2.1 release:

·         Does not support updates.

·         Based on development branch code.

·         Do not install this build unless if you’d like to try out several items outlined below.

·         Due to ever-changing nature of Windows 10, updated builds of this kind will be released if accessibility fixes are required after Microsoft releases Insider builds.

·         Important: This is a third-party build. If you’d like to use snapshots from NV Access, please use either master or next snapshots, or use the latest released version (2016.2.1).

 

Changelog:

·         Redesigned UAC dialog is now announced (if you install this try build). In recent Redstone builds, UAC dialog has received a complete redesign – no longer a desktop dialog, it is now powered by Universal Windows Platform. This means all screen readers are affected when it comes to announcing UAC prompts.

·         NVDA now announces contents of sign-in and other secure screens in Redstone and other Windows 10 builds (also includes Threshold (10240 and 10586) builds).

·         You can now activate password edit box if you’re using touchscreens (may not work properly; don’t worry, all the provisions are there).

·         NVDA will announce status messages if you type a wrong password.

·         Browse mode makes a partial return in Microsoft Edge (ironically, it does not work in Edge itself, but it does work in Feedback Hub app).

 

Important things to note on current Windows 10 Redstone builds:

·         Invalid entry announcement: gone in build 14361 (a XAML (eXtensible Application Markup Language) markup problem in universal apps framework is to blame).

·         If you are using build 14361 and if you happen to restart NVDA, Start search suggestions will not be announced. The workaround is to launch Narrator, do a search, and then NVDA will start announcing suggestions (likely an issue with unresponsive or slow UI Automation).

·         Certain dialogs are not recognized as dialogs nor contents are announced. I’m actively hunting for these dialogs (partly caused by UI Automation tagging issue where NV Access and Microsoft have differing opinions on what a dialog is).

 

Contributing code: if you’d like to see the beauty of this build and/or help fix Windows 10 issues, please let me know. As always, source code of this and other NVDA artifacts can be obtained from the following location:

http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda

My own lab of NVDA code (where I have several experimental branches not found in NV Access repository) can be found at:

http://github.com/josephsl/nvda

 

Sending feedback: If you have feedback regarding this build, please send them to me directly (joseph.lee22590@...), via Twitter at @joslee or Facebook at josephsl. Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph

 


Re: Announcing NVDA 2016.2.1RS1 (20160613)

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 

  Hi 

  What is red stone any ways? 

  Pete 



On 6/14/2016 7:09 PM, Arianna Sepulveda wrote:
Joseph, I've been a little confused by windows 10 and this Redstone thing. I am using Windows 10 home edition, so I don't have any control over what and when updates are installed. Do I need to be worried about Redstone? I don't want to suddenly find myself upgraded to it, and to be running a version of NVDA that doesn't work well with it, and not be able to get this try build version of NVDA onto my computer.


Thanks,
Ari

On Jun 14, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Joseph Lee <joseph.lee22590@...> wrote:

Hi everyone,

 

Some of you may recall a message I sent a few days ago announcing a try build of NVDA that supports Redstone. The update to this build is now out:

https://t.co/WasodNKlh5

 

Overview:

·         Includes features and sacrifices from NVDA 2016.2.1 (due to issues, grammar error announcement is gone in 2016.2.1 until a better solution is found).

·         Based on latest NVDA master (live beta) snapshot. Don’t worry if you hear error tones.

·         This build is optimized for Windows 10 Anniversary Update Preview build 14342 or later. The recommended build is 14361.

 

Differences from regular NVDA 2016.2.1 release:

·         Does not support updates.

·         Based on development branch code.

·         Do not install this build unless if you’d like to try out several items outlined below.

·         Due to ever-changing nature of Windows 10, updated builds of this kind will be released if accessibility fixes are required after Microsoft releases Insider builds.

·         Important: This is a third-party build. If you’d like to use snapshots from NV Access, please use either master or next snapshots, or use the latest released version (2016.2.1).

 

Changelog:

·         Redesigned UAC dialog is now announced (if you install this try build). In recent Redstone builds, UAC dialog has received a complete redesign – no longer a desktop dialog, it is now powered by Universal Windows Platform. This means all screen readers are affected when it comes to announcing UAC prompts.

·         NVDA now announces contents of sign-in and other secure screens in Redstone and other Windows 10 builds (also includes Threshold (10240 and 10586) builds).

·         You can now activate password edit box if you’re using touchscreens (may not work properly; don’t worry, all the provisions are there).

·         NVDA will announce status messages if you type a wrong password.

·         Browse mode makes a partial return in Microsoft Edge (ironically, it does not work in Edge itself, but it does work in Feedback Hub app).

 

Important things to note on current Windows 10 Redstone builds:

·         Invalid entry announcement: gone in build 14361 (a XAML (eXtensible Application Markup Language) markup problem in universal apps framework is to blame).

·         If you are using build 14361 and if you happen to restart NVDA, Start search suggestions will not be announced. The workaround is to launch Narrator, do a search, and then NVDA will start announcing suggestions (likely an issue with unresponsive or slow UI Automation).

·         Certain dialogs are not recognized as dialogs nor contents are announced. I’m actively hunting for these dialogs (partly caused by UI Automation tagging issue where NV Access and Microsoft have differing opinions on what a dialog is).

 

Contributing code: if you’d like to see the beauty of this build and/or help fix Windows 10 issues, please let me know. As always, source code of this and other NVDA artifacts can be obtained from the following location:

http://github.com/nvaccess/nvda

My own lab of NVDA code (where I have several experimental branches not found in NV Access repository) can be found at:

http://github.com/josephsl/nvda

 

Sending feedback: If you have feedback regarding this build, please send them to me directly (joseph.lee22590@...), via Twitter at @joslee or Facebook at josephsl. Thank you.

Cheers,

Joseph



Re: espeak n g no good it sneezes on some words

Pete <emac00@...>
 

Thanks Sukil

On 6/14/2016 6:00 AM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.io wrote:
Hi,

I've created the issue. It's at https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues/131 .

Regards,

Sukil



El 10/06/2016 a las 12:18, Pete escribió:

Hi Sukil

ok, I hear the anoying sound with rate set to 100%. It goes away set to 99% and below. Again the anoying sound starts with rate boost box checked at 19% and goes away at 18% and below. The anoying sound is there all the way up from it's starting point at 19% with rate boost box checked, well atleast up to 70%. I am not sure abuv 70% with check box checked, I can't process beyond that point. It sounds like it's still there. I am stuck using nvda with espeak set to about 40% with rate boost checked now. I feal like my computer is running on malassis.

The nvda settings are default except for the rate boost and the rate set high.

That would be greatly appriciated your filing this on github!

Thanks Pete

On 6/10/2016 4:43 AM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.io wrote:
Hi Pete,

I'd suggest the same thing I suggested before. That is, file an issue at <http:///github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues>. If you don't have an account on GitHub, I can do it for you.

Please describe the error in detail, as I use the same version of eSpeak (with occassionally the English voice) with rate set to 30 or 40 with rate boost and I find no problems. Or perhaps I missunderstood you, and you use different parameteres.


RegardsSukil



El 09/06/2016 a las 13:12, Pete escribió:

hi

I all ways used the default nvda max english voice, I am disappointed in the changes made to espeak in nvda I think starting with nvda 2015 or may be as far back as 2014. Were the changes made to espeak by nvda devel or the creator of espeak. I would like a choice in nvda setup to be able to pick witch espeak to install. I feal the need for speed quite freequently and to have that fluttering sound in there when the check box for rate boost is checked so I can get up to a 600 to 800 words per min is disruptive. I am still trying to get used to it.

Pete

On 6/8/2016 1:43 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i use iven3 which is the best voice and also with default rate of nvda
which is 30!
its very perfect for me.

On 6/7/16, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
I have replaced the data from old espeak over and the syntth works a lot
better one person had trouble however, espeak at least the word stuff
works as I expect it so I am not to worried.



On 8/06/2016 3:31 a.m., Pete wrote:
as the s line says espeak n g makes a buzzing or sneezing sound along
with some words.
NOT COOL AT ALL
along with the funny noises the voice flutters
This is default espeakng max voice set to en...
windows 7 x64 pro clean install
nvda installed using default settings except for speed set to 100
percent
Can I replace the espeak n g with the older one by copying the old one
over the new one in the program files x86 \ nvda folder?
Thanks for any help!
Pete




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Re: Creating a Message Filter in Thunderbird

Pete <emac00@...>
 

use alt down arrow to open up the folder list, it is like a tree view in places.

Pete

On 6/12/2016 7:07 PM, Rich De Steno wrote:
In attempting to create a message filter in Thunderbird, I press Enter on Message Filters in the Tools menu. I press Enter on New Filter. Everything is fine until I get to the point where I must designate a folder to which I want the particular Emails moved. I hear a list of my Email accounts, but I see no way of designating a folder within that account. For example, I hear in the combo box, ironrock@..., but I can not get to the Save folder within that account to which I want the Emails moved. How do I access the folders within an account?


Re: espeak n g no good it sneezes on some words

Bhavya shah
 

Hi Sharni,
LOL :D:D:D, outrageous may not be the most descriptive word for the
scenario. :) The reason for maintaining high listening speeds is to be
able to use the computer and navigate around faster, as there is a lot
of inevitable verbosity screen reader users have to encounter which is
not in the case of sighted people cursoring around, and to surmount
that slowdown, this is one of the techniques I deploy. As I said
previously, to read a book or an article very calmly or carefully, I
like to reduce my speech rate to as low as 20% with rate boost.
Thanks.

On 6/14/16, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.io <sukiletxe=yahoo.es@groups.io> wrote:
Hi,

I've created the issue. It's at
https://github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues/131 .

Regards,

Sukil



El 10/06/2016 a las 12:18, Pete escribió:

Hi Sukil

ok, I hear the anoying sound with rate set to 100%. It goes away
set to 99% and below. Again the anoying sound starts with rate boost
box checked at 19% and goes away at 18% and below. The anoying sound
is there all the way up from it's starting point at 19% with rate
boost box checked, well atleast up to 70%. I am not sure abuv 70%
with check box checked, I can't process beyond that point. It sounds
like it's still there. I am stuck using nvda with espeak set to about
40% with rate boost checked now. I feal like my computer is running
on malassis.

The nvda settings are default except for the rate boost and the rate
set high.

That would be greatly appriciated your filing this on github!

Thanks Pete

On 6/10/2016 4:43 AM, Sukil Etxenike via Groups.io wrote:
Hi Pete,

I'd suggest the same thing I suggested before. That is, file an issue
at <http:///github.com/espeak-ng/espeak-ng/issues>. If you don't have
an account on GitHub, I can do it for you.

Please describe the error in detail, as I use the same version of
eSpeak (with occassionally the English voice) with rate set to 30 or
40 with rate boost and I find no problems. Or perhaps I
missunderstood you, and you use different parameteres.


RegardsSukil



El 09/06/2016 a las 13:12, Pete escribió:

hi

I all ways used the default nvda max english voice, I am
disappointed in the changes made to espeak in nvda I think starting
with nvda 2015 or may be as far back as 2014. Were the changes made
to espeak by nvda devel or the creator of espeak. I would like a
choice in nvda setup to be able to pick witch espeak to install. I
feal the need for speed quite freequently and to have that
fluttering sound in there when the check box for rate boost is
checked so I can get up to a 600 to 800 words per min is
disruptive. I am still trying to get used to it.

Pete

On 6/8/2016 1:43 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i use iven3 which is the best voice and also with default rate of nvda
which is 30!
its very perfect for me.

On 6/7/16, Shaun Everiss <@smeveriss> wrote:
I have replaced the data from old espeak over and the syntth works
a lot
better one person had trouble however, espeak at least the word stuff
works as I expect it so I am not to worried.



On 8/06/2016 3:31 a.m., Pete wrote:
as the s line says espeak n g makes a buzzing or sneezing
sound along
with some words.
NOT COOL AT ALL
along with the funny noises the voice flutters
This is default espeakng max voice set to en...
windows 7 x64 pro clean install
nvda installed using default settings except for speed set to 100
percent
Can I replace the espeak n g with the older one by copying the
old one
over the new one in the program files x86 \ nvda folder?
Thanks for any help!
Pete




.











--
Warm Regards
Bhavya Shah
Using NVDA (Non Visual Desktop Access) free and open source screen
reader for Microsoft Windows
To download a copy of the free screen reader NVDA, please visit
http://www.nvaccess.org/
Using Google Talkback on Motorolla G second generation Lollipop 5.0.2
Reach me through the following means:
Mobile: +91 7506221750
E-mail id: bhavya.shah125@...
Skype id : bhavya.09


Re: espeak n g no good it sneezes on some words

Pete <emac00@...>
 

 

  It's informational, higher speech rate means more info in a shorter time. 

  Pete 



On 6/11/2016 11:59 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

But why? Why listen to something at outrageous speeds? How can you get any enjoyment out of a story or article at such speeds?


On 12/06/2016 8:47 AM, Greg Wocher wrote:
Hello,

I have espeak set at 22 percent with the rate boost on. The key is increasing the rate slowly over time. For example increase the rate each day by one or two percent. This will help your ears get used to listening at higher speeds.


Regards,

Greg WOcher


On 6/11/2016 4:04 PM, Life My Way via Groups.io wrote:
I could never understand it either why have the speed so fast that you could not understand it.


On 6/10/2016 1:31 AM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i completely aggree.
the best speed is only default speed and i cant understand how people
use screen readers with there higher speed!
its very annoying and untolerable using screen readers with high speed!

On 6/10/16, Rosemarie Chavarria <knitqueen2007@...> wrote:
I'd never be able to understand words at such high speed either. I don't
know how anybody can.


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2016 8:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] espeak n g no good it sneezes on some words

... How can anyone understand what's being read or enjoy what they're
reading at such outrageous speeds? I've never changed NVDA from its default
rate with espeak. And how can you even tell there's fluttering if the synth
is yammering on so fast you can barely make out the words?
I just tested it and I can't make out what's being said at all. If I didn't
know the contents of the dialogue, I'd be lost.


On 9/06/2016 9:12 PM, Pete wrote:
   hi

   I all ways used the default nvda max english voice, I am
disappointed in the changes made to espeak in nvda I think starting
with nvda 2015 or may be as far back as 2014.  Were the changes made
to espeak by nvda devel or the creator of espeak.  I would like a
choice in nvda setup to be able to pick witch espeak to install.  I
feal the need for speed quite freequently and to have that fluttering
sound in there when the check box for rate boost is checked so I can
get up to a 600 to 800 words per min is disruptive.  I am still trying
to get used to it.

   Pete

On 6/8/2016 1:43 PM, nasrin khaksar wrote:
hi.
i use iven3 which is the best voice and also with default rate of
nvda which is 30!
its very perfect for me.

On 6/7/16, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
I have replaced the data from old espeak over and the syntth works a
lot better one person had trouble however, espeak at least the word
stuff works as I expect it so I am not to worried.



On 8/06/2016 3:31 a.m., Pete wrote:
    as the s line says espeak n g makes a buzzing or sneezing sound
along with some words.
NOT COOL AT ALL
    along with the funny noises the voice flutters
    This is default espeakng max voice set to en...
    windows 7 x64 pro clean install
    nvda installed using default settings except for speed set to
100 percent
    Can I replace the espeak n g with the older one by copying the
old one over the new one in the program files x86 \ nvda folder?
    Thanks for any help!
    Pete




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