Re: Need help learning Braille

Michael Munn

I have been reading braille for 10 years now. Braille for me is what print is for sighted. I urge you to sign up with Hadley Institute ASAP and begin reading Braille.
Thanks
Best Regards
Michael Munn

Re: Need help learning Braille

chris miles

On 05/02/2019 14:59, Sociohack AC wrote:

Hi guys!
I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning Braille. I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent presentations in my class, and for now, I try and memorize all the stuff I need to present. It's a difficult and time consuming task, I'm thinking maybe learning Braille could help me in this regard. I see myself in professions which might need frequent public speaking.

What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this point? How long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read on this forum that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at it, if you start leaning it at an advanced age.

All feedback is welcome.

Regards

Hi,

Braille is made up of 6 cells; 3 on one side of the 6 dots and 3 on the other side of the 6 dots.

So you have:-

.1    .4

.2    .5

.3    .6

All you need to do to learn the first 10 letters of the alphabet and then add .3 for the next 10 letters and .6 for the last 6 letters (W comes at the end)

Dot 1 is A

Dots 1 and 2 is B

Dots 1 and 4 is C

Dots 1, 3 & 4 is D

Dots 1 & 5 is E

Dots 1, 2 & 3 is F

Dots 1, 2, 4 & 5 is G

Dots 1, 2 & 5 is H

Dots 2 & 4 is I

Dots 2, 4 & 5 is J

N.B: If you put a number sign in front of the first 10 letters - a BLE sign - Dots 3, 4, 5 & 6 - A (Dot 1) becomes number 1. So B becomes 2, and J is zero..

If you add a Dot 3 to Dot 1 it becomes K (originally A)

Therefore Dots 1 & 2 (B) and add Dot 3 - becomes L

So you do this until you get to J and add Dot 3 - becomes T

To get the next 6 letters all you need to do is add a Dot 6.

So Dot 1 (A)

Add Dot 3 - becomes K

Add Dot 6 - becomes U

So B - becomes V and so on.

So when you get to J:

Add Dot 3 - becomes T

Add Dot 6 to Dots 2, 4 and 5 - becomes W.

If you press dots 1, 2, 3, 4 & 6 together - AND sign

If you press all 6 dots together - FOR sign

If you press dots 1, 3, 4, 5 & 6 together - YOU sign

If you press dots 1, 2, 3, 5 & 6 - Of sign

If you press dots 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6 together - WITH sign.

Once you have learned the alphabet, there are combinations of dots which are contractions; i.e. dot 6 with N - Nation....

I learned to type and read to grade 2 in about 6 months, generally about 3 days a week. I had a set of tapes whereby I had to type a number of words on a single line which included a certain contraction such as dis, etc. I used a Perkins to type on braille paper. A friend checked my work once a week and I learned a new contraction for the following week.

I hope this helps you.

I believe you can purchase braille learning materials from the RNIB; 03031239999

Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

hurrikennyandopo ...

Hi

Say in the case of a desk top computer which i use you use your modifier key  and the numeric keypad.

Make sure your num lock key is off.

you will need to put your self into that mode first press the nvda key +7 on the numeric keypad to do this make sure you hear it spoken.

NVDA key + 8 takes you up a level nvda key + 2 takes you down a level. NVDA key + 4 will take you to the left and nvda key + 6 will take you to the right and they will also say if you can not go any further to the left or right.

You will also see more if the check box under the review cursor settings called Simple review mode is unchecked.

Probably for a quick example open up note pad then type in some text then use the alt key + f4 key you will then be given some options like save cancel etc and you will only hear the message once. Even though you can tab between those buttons it will not read out the message again. So if you are in object navigation mode use the nvda key + 8 on the numeric key pad to go up one level to read the message.

You apart from that would not not really use it to get to the buttons you can already tab to.

There are other places you would use it on it would depend if you can get to it or not.

Gene nz

On 6/02/2019 10:40 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
```I think the problem was my friend tried using insert or caps lock while pressing the arrow keys and it didn't work. Or something like that. I realize I'm not explaining this very well, butI bet if we used NVDA remote support I could help figure it out. But then I'd feel like I was hijacking the computer. Not my intention 😉

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Molly

```
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To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

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Re: trouble closing NVDA

Quentin Christensen

No problem, got them now, thank you!

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:39 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

Done!

Thanks,

Sam

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 5:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

The mailing list drops attachments, but if you can send them to me at info@... I will get them.

Thanks again.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:21 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

Thanks,

Sam

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

In the %temp% folder you should have the last two logs - nvda.log and nvda-old.log.  You can get to the %temp% folder in Windows 10 by opening File Explorer with WINDOWS+E, then press ALT+D to move to the address bar and type %temp% (percent sign, the word t e m p then the percent sign again, no spaces) and press enter.

Thanks heaps for helping with this.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:54 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

How do I get it? I can send it no problem.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

Actually Sam, do you have a copy of your log from the crash please?

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:50 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Thanks Sam, that does help.  Whether it is the same issue Lou is having, we'll see, but at least I can add that bit of info to the issue we already know about.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:49 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

I just tested. When it's on my computer crashed. With it off all is fine. Hope this helps.
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lou Kolb
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

If I recall, speech viewer is a way to show on the screen what the synth is speaking and, no, I don't use it. But I'll certainly check to make sure it hasn't been inadvertently turned on. I do know I've installed several updates with no change in this behavior. I used to run Vocalizer on this machine with no issues. I can't recall whether it started before or after I started using eloquence. Lou

On 2/5/19, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:
> I have Version: 2018.4.1
>
> I am using eloquence paid version – I have the speech viewer off and
> don’t have these issues.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin
> Christensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>
>
>
> Ok, if you bought Eloquence from the AT Guys it will certainly be the
> specifically aware of any issues relating to this.
>
>
>
> Ok, I just had another look through our issues, and I did find one
> sounding very similar to yours, but the user was using Vocalizer
> rather than eloquence (though they come in the same bundle, so it
> could be related), and specifically, they had the speech viewer open.
> In that case, closing the speech viewer stopped NVDA crashing.  Do you use speech viewer?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
> <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>
> Quentin,
> I believe I'm running 2018.3.2 on that system , and I only update when
> prompted to. Eloquence was bought from the AT guys, so should be
> legitimate. As I mentioned, I won't be at that location until
> Saturday, but I'll copy and send you the log then. FYI, I work at a
> radio station here in Pennsylvania and the computer I'm running NVDA
> on is used for accessing the net and recording and playing audio.
> However, I have plans to try it on the computer that actually runs the
> station, and a problem like this would be absolutely unacceptable on
> that system. Thanks, again for all the help and suggestions. Lou
>
>
>
> On 2/5/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io
> <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> >
> wrote:
>> Well that depends on which version you have. the hacked one or the
>> legal one, but normally it does not seem either way to stop nvda
>> closing, its usually strange behaviour generally or just locking up
>> with the dodgy version.
>>
>> Another thought sprang into my mind. Could another user have done a
>> system restore on the machine?
>>  That can certainly cause all manner of confusion. The restarting of
>> nvda being one of them!
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...> Sent via
>> blueyonder.
>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...> , putting
>> 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lou Kolb" <loukolb@... <mailto:loukolb@...> >
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 1:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>>
>>
>>> By the way, the only add-on I'm aware of using is the Elloquence
>>> cynth, but I think I had that problem before I installed it. And,
>>> I'm not certain that that is an add-on anyway. Lou
>>>
>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>> Thanks Lou!
>>>>
>>>> Gene,  While such a setting might be useful in this particular
>>>> case, in most cases, where the crash is unexpected, it's not
>>>> necessarily when the user is trying to exit NVDA, and in that case,
>>>> restarting is a good thing.
>>>> In a case like this, I'd really like to get to the bottom of why it
>>>> is crashing and ideally fix the underlying cause.  If it happens
>>>> for multiple users, even more so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:41 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>> <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Quentin,
>>>>>
>>>>> I won't be working again until Saturday, but I'll have a look at the
>>>>> log then and send it to you, as well. Many thanks. Lou
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> > Sorry Lou, I should have specified that :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you have NVDA running, you can open the log either from NVDA's
>>>>> > tools
>>>>> > menu (NVDA+n, then T, the ENTER to view log, or by pressing
>>>>> > NVDA+F1).
>>>>> You
>>>>> > can also find it in the %temp% directory (both the current nvda.log
>>>>> > and
>>>>> the
>>>>> > previous nvda-old.log files are kept).  More info on log files is at
>>>>> > :
>>>>> > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Quentin.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:55 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>>> > <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Thanks, all, for the very helpful information. I'll certainly try
>>>>> >> those line commands. I should mention that I generally use Jaws as
>>>>> >> my
>>>>> >> primary screen reader, mainly because I've used it for nearly 20
>>>>> >> years. But I find I'm using NVDA more often now, especially in
>>>>> >> situations where I don't want to get tangled in their licensing. In
>>>>> >> fact, I do find that NVDA works better in some cases
>>>>> >> Quentin, where do I find the NVDA log? Lou.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> >> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > You can also quit NVDA with another comand-line switch - again
>>>>> >> > press
>>>>> >> > WINDOWS+R, then type:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > nvda -q
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > and press ENTER.  I would be interested in trying to work out
>>>>> >> > what
>>>>> >> > is
>>>>> >> > causing the problem in any case.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Kind regards
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Quentin.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:36 AM Tony Malykh
>>>>> >> > <anton.malykh@... <mailto:anton.malykh@...> >
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> As a workaround, you can kill NVDA by typing this command:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> taskkill /f /im NVDA.exe
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> In Administrator command prompt.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> On 2/4/2019 11:23 AM, Lou Kolb wrote:
>>>>> >> >> > I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and
>>>>> >> >> > a
>>>>> >> >> > Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At
>>>>> >> >> > work,
>>>>> >> >> > however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I
>>>>> >> >> > get
>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> > Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
>>>>> >> >> > continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to
>>>>> >> >> > restart
>>>>> >> >> > the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set
>>>>> >> >> > to
>>>>> >> >> > start
>>>>> >> >> > on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any
>>>>> >> >> > known
>>>>> fix
>>>>> >> >> > for it? Thanks. Lou
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> >> > Training and Support Manager
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> >> > available:
>>>>> >> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> > Training and Support Manager
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> > available:
>>>>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>
>>>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>
>>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
>
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
>
>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Re: ATTACHMENTS IN EMAILS

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 07:38 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:
Then you press alt-down arrow on an attachment to get a menu. Choose save
You can also use SHIFT+F10 or the Menu/Applications key as well.  If you want to save the single attachment on which you have focus S is the shortcut key for doing so.  If you want to save all of the attachments, and all will be saved in the same folder, then N is the shortcut for doing so.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

Re: trouble closing NVDA

Sam Bushman

Done!

Thanks,

Sam

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 5:24 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

The mailing list drops attachments, but if you can send them to me at info@... I will get them.

Thanks again.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:21 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

Thanks,

Sam

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

In the %temp% folder you should have the last two logs - nvda.log and nvda-old.log.  You can get to the %temp% folder in Windows 10 by opening File Explorer with WINDOWS+E, then press ALT+D to move to the address bar and type %temp% (percent sign, the word t e m p then the percent sign again, no spaces) and press enter.

Thanks heaps for helping with this.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:54 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

How do I get it? I can send it no problem.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

Actually Sam, do you have a copy of your log from the crash please?

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:50 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Thanks Sam, that does help.  Whether it is the same issue Lou is having, we'll see, but at least I can add that bit of info to the issue we already know about.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:49 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

I just tested. When it's on my computer crashed. With it off all is fine. Hope this helps.
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lou Kolb
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

If I recall, speech viewer is a way to show on the screen what the synth is speaking and, no, I don't use it. But I'll certainly check to make sure it hasn't been inadvertently turned on. I do know I've installed several updates with no change in this behavior. I used to run Vocalizer on this machine with no issues. I can't recall whether it started before or after I started using eloquence. Lou

On 2/5/19, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:
> I have Version: 2018.4.1
>
> I am using eloquence paid version – I have the speech viewer off and
> don’t have these issues.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin
> Christensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>
>
>
> Ok, if you bought Eloquence from the AT Guys it will certainly be the
> specifically aware of any issues relating to this.
>
>
>
> Ok, I just had another look through our issues, and I did find one
> sounding very similar to yours, but the user was using Vocalizer
> rather than eloquence (though they come in the same bundle, so it
> could be related), and specifically, they had the speech viewer open.
> In that case, closing the speech viewer stopped NVDA crashing.  Do you use speech viewer?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
> <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>
> Quentin,
> I believe I'm running 2018.3.2 on that system , and I only update when
> prompted to. Eloquence was bought from the AT guys, so should be
> legitimate. As I mentioned, I won't be at that location until
> Saturday, but I'll copy and send you the log then. FYI, I work at a
> radio station here in Pennsylvania and the computer I'm running NVDA
> on is used for accessing the net and recording and playing audio.
> However, I have plans to try it on the computer that actually runs the
> station, and a problem like this would be absolutely unacceptable on
> that system. Thanks, again for all the help and suggestions. Lou
>
>
>
> On 2/5/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io
> <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> >
> wrote:
>> Well that depends on which version you have. the hacked one or the
>> legal one, but normally it does not seem either way to stop nvda
>> closing, its usually strange behaviour generally or just locking up
>> with the dodgy version.
>>
>> Another thought sprang into my mind. Could another user have done a
>> system restore on the machine?
>>  That can certainly cause all manner of confusion. The restarting of
>> nvda being one of them!
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...> Sent via
>> blueyonder.
>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...> , putting
>> 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lou Kolb" <loukolb@... <mailto:loukolb@...> >
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 1:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>>
>>
>>> By the way, the only add-on I'm aware of using is the Elloquence
>>> cynth, but I think I had that problem before I installed it. And,
>>> I'm not certain that that is an add-on anyway. Lou
>>>
>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>> Thanks Lou!
>>>>
>>>> Gene,  While such a setting might be useful in this particular
>>>> case, in most cases, where the crash is unexpected, it's not
>>>> necessarily when the user is trying to exit NVDA, and in that case,
>>>> restarting is a good thing.
>>>> In a case like this, I'd really like to get to the bottom of why it
>>>> is crashing and ideally fix the underlying cause.  If it happens
>>>> for multiple users, even more so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:41 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>> <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Quentin,
>>>>>
>>>>> I won't be working again until Saturday, but I'll have a look at the
>>>>> log then and send it to you, as well. Many thanks. Lou
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> > Sorry Lou, I should have specified that :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you have NVDA running, you can open the log either from NVDA's
>>>>> > tools
>>>>> > menu (NVDA+n, then T, the ENTER to view log, or by pressing
>>>>> > NVDA+F1).
>>>>> You
>>>>> > can also find it in the %temp% directory (both the current nvda.log
>>>>> > and
>>>>> the
>>>>> > previous nvda-old.log files are kept).  More info on log files is at
>>>>> > :
>>>>> > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Quentin.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:55 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>>> > <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Thanks, all, for the very helpful information. I'll certainly try
>>>>> >> those line commands. I should mention that I generally use Jaws as
>>>>> >> my
>>>>> >> primary screen reader, mainly because I've used it for nearly 20
>>>>> >> years. But I find I'm using NVDA more often now, especially in
>>>>> >> situations where I don't want to get tangled in their licensing. In
>>>>> >> fact, I do find that NVDA works better in some cases
>>>>> >> Quentin, where do I find the NVDA log? Lou.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> >> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > You can also quit NVDA with another comand-line switch - again
>>>>> >> > press
>>>>> >> > WINDOWS+R, then type:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > nvda -q
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > and press ENTER.  I would be interested in trying to work out
>>>>> >> > what
>>>>> >> > is
>>>>> >> > causing the problem in any case.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Kind regards
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Quentin.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:36 AM Tony Malykh
>>>>> >> > <anton.malykh@... <mailto:anton.malykh@...> >
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> As a workaround, you can kill NVDA by typing this command:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> taskkill /f /im NVDA.exe
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> In Administrator command prompt.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> On 2/4/2019 11:23 AM, Lou Kolb wrote:
>>>>> >> >> > I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and
>>>>> >> >> > a
>>>>> >> >> > Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At
>>>>> >> >> > work,
>>>>> >> >> > however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I
>>>>> >> >> > get
>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> > Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
>>>>> >> >> > continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to
>>>>> >> >> > restart
>>>>> >> >> > the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set
>>>>> >> >> > to
>>>>> >> >> > start
>>>>> >> >> > on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any
>>>>> >> >> > known
>>>>> fix
>>>>> >> >> > for it? Thanks. Lou
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> >> > Training and Support Manager
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> >> > available:
>>>>> >> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> > Training and Support Manager
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> > available:
>>>>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>
>>>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>
>>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
>
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
>
>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Re: ATTACHMENTS IN EMAILS

Sam Bushman

Then you press alt-down arrow on an attachment to get a menu. Choose save

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 5:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] ATTACHMENTS IN EMAILS

I've been using SHIFT+TAB from within the message body to throw focus to the Attachments for "forever."  You can then right/left arrow through the attachments present.  If you hit either end of the list you'll sit there if you try to move any further in the same direction.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

Re: FORMATING WITH NVDA

Stephen Thacker

Hi, I received an email from someone and in the subject line it said attachments but I couldn’t click on it as with my old machine and there was no text to tell me what the attachment(s) was/were. Do I ignore this as it hasn’t been set out correctly or what do I do here and in later emails to open attachments if I know them to be genuine otherwise obviously I would delete without opening?

Thanks, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Quentin Christensen
Sent: 06 February 2019 00:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FORMATING WITH NVDA

Glad you got it working Steven - note it's NVDA+3, not F3 :)

I saw your other message, but I was busy working on something in Word so just answered this one since I could off the top of my head.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:22 AM Stephen Thacker <stephenthacker3@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin, it was not configured correctly it seems: I went into NVDA with NVDA key plus n, clicked on settings and cursored down to keyboard. I tabbed across and it appeared the checkbox for both characters and words had been checked so I unchecked the characters and left words checked and then pressed ok. It seems to be ok now. This professional machine seems to do things in its own way and f3 didn’t do anything. But I’m satisfied at the moment. Did you read my message about attachments?

Cheers, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Stephen Thacker via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 00:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FORMATING WITH NVDA

Hi,I’ve fixed it now thanks, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 00:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FORMATING WITH NVDA

After redoing the change, NVDA+CTRL+C should do the trick for you.
I'd think it won't affect any future update of the program since it's just a custom setting, nothing systematical so to speak.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 05/02/2019 21:56, Stephen Thacker escreveu:

Hi list, Please can you help? I’m using a Windows 10 Professional machine with 64 bit and it’s a quodcore running NVDA the latest version as far as I know and Windows 10 Professional.

shortly after I bought my latest machine I pressed the nvda key with f3 to change to words so the word is spoken when you press the spacebar. Unfortunately it has somehow gone back to characters ie spoken after each character press which is annoying and I don’t seem to be able to fix this. So is there a better way to permanently have NVDA speak only words ie a word after I’ve pressed the spacebar and save this setting as somehow I’ve unsaved it – does it change after an update of NVDA or a general update of anything on my pc?

Thanks for any help, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Re: ATTACHMENTS IN EMAILS

I've been using SHIFT+TAB from within the message body to throw focus to the Attachments for "forever."  You can then right/left arrow through the attachments present.  If you hit either end of the list you'll sit there if you try to move any further in the same direction.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

Re: FORMATING WITH NVDA

Quentin Christensen

Glad you got it working Steven - note it's NVDA+3, not F3 :)

I saw your other message, but I was busy working on something in Word so just answered this one since I could off the top of my head.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:22 AM Stephen Thacker <stephenthacker3@...> wrote:

Hi Quentin, it was not configured correctly it seems: I went into NVDA with NVDA key plus n, clicked on settings and cursored down to keyboard. I tabbed across and it appeared the checkbox for both characters and words had been checked so I unchecked the characters and left words checked and then pressed ok. It seems to be ok now. This professional machine seems to do things in its own way and f3 didn’t do anything. But I’m satisfied at the moment. Did you read my message about attachments?

Cheers, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Stephen Thacker via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 00:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FORMATING WITH NVDA

Hi,I’ve fixed it now thanks, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 00:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FORMATING WITH NVDA

After redoing the change, NVDA+CTRL+C should do the trick for you.
I'd think it won't affect any future update of the program since it's just a custom setting, nothing systematical so to speak.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 05/02/2019 21:56, Stephen Thacker escreveu:

Hi list, Please can you help? I’m using a Windows 10 Professional machine with 64 bit and it’s a quodcore running NVDA the latest version as far as I know and Windows 10 Professional.

shortly after I bought my latest machine I pressed the nvda key with f3 to change to words so the word is spoken when you press the spacebar. Unfortunately it has somehow gone back to characters ie spoken after each character press which is annoying and I don’t seem to be able to fix this. So is there a better way to permanently have NVDA speak only words ie a word after I’ve pressed the spacebar and save this setting as somehow I’ve unsaved it – does it change after an update of NVDA or a general update of anything on my pc?

Thanks for any help, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Re: ATTACHMENTS IN EMAILS

Stephen Thacker

Hi, yes I’m well. Yes I’m using Outlook, does it need updating and if so how is this done please?

Cheers, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Nimer Jaber
Sent: 06 February 2019 00:23
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Group Moderators
Subject: Re: [nvda] ATTACHMENTS IN EMAILS

Hello,

How are you checking e-mail, are you using Outlook?

Thanks.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 5:09 PM Stephen Thacker <stephenthacker3@...> wrote:

Hi, I know this maybe slightly off topic but can you help me please? I recently bought a new pc quodcore machine with NVDA, Windows 10 Professional 64 bit. I’ve installed one or two items such as office etc. However when I receive emails and it says in the subject line attachments but does not detail what those attachments are, how do I detach the attachments? On my old machine I just clicked on the attachment bvut cannot find on the new machine the attachment to click on. Any thoughts please?

Thanks in advance of any help, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Cordially,

Nimer Jaber

Please take the time to read this signature completely as it contains
attachments contained within as well as some valuable resources and
methods for contacting me if you have any questions or wish to talk.

The message above is intended for the recipient to whom it was
addressed. If you believe that you are not the intended recipient,
please notify me via reply email and destroy all copies of this
correspondence. Action taken as a result of this email or its contents
by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) may result in civil or
criminal charges. I have checked this email and all corresponding
attachments for security threats. However, security of your machine is
up to you. Thanks.

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To find out about a free and versatile screen reader for windows XP
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To contact me, you can reply to this email or you may call me at (970) (658-0358) and I will do my best to respond to you promptly. Thank
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Re: trouble closing NVDA

Quentin Christensen

The mailing list drops attachments, but if you can send them to me at info@... I will get them.

Thanks again.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 11:21 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

Thanks,

Sam

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

In the %temp% folder you should have the last two logs - nvda.log and nvda-old.log.  You can get to the %temp% folder in Windows 10 by opening File Explorer with WINDOWS+E, then press ALT+D to move to the address bar and type %temp% (percent sign, the word t e m p then the percent sign again, no spaces) and press enter.

Thanks heaps for helping with this.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:54 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

How do I get it? I can send it no problem.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

Actually Sam, do you have a copy of your log from the crash please?

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:50 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Thanks Sam, that does help.  Whether it is the same issue Lou is having, we'll see, but at least I can add that bit of info to the issue we already know about.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:49 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

I just tested. When it's on my computer crashed. With it off all is fine. Hope this helps.
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lou Kolb
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

If I recall, speech viewer is a way to show on the screen what the synth is speaking and, no, I don't use it. But I'll certainly check to make sure it hasn't been inadvertently turned on. I do know I've installed several updates with no change in this behavior. I used to run Vocalizer on this machine with no issues. I can't recall whether it started before or after I started using eloquence. Lou

On 2/5/19, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:
> I have Version: 2018.4.1
>
> I am using eloquence paid version – I have the speech viewer off and
> don’t have these issues.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin
> Christensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>
>
>
> Ok, if you bought Eloquence from the AT Guys it will certainly be the
> specifically aware of any issues relating to this.
>
>
>
> Ok, I just had another look through our issues, and I did find one
> sounding very similar to yours, but the user was using Vocalizer
> rather than eloquence (though they come in the same bundle, so it
> could be related), and specifically, they had the speech viewer open.
> In that case, closing the speech viewer stopped NVDA crashing.  Do you use speech viewer?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
> <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>
> Quentin,
> I believe I'm running 2018.3.2 on that system , and I only update when
> prompted to. Eloquence was bought from the AT guys, so should be
> legitimate. As I mentioned, I won't be at that location until
> Saturday, but I'll copy and send you the log then. FYI, I work at a
> radio station here in Pennsylvania and the computer I'm running NVDA
> on is used for accessing the net and recording and playing audio.
> However, I have plans to try it on the computer that actually runs the
> station, and a problem like this would be absolutely unacceptable on
> that system. Thanks, again for all the help and suggestions. Lou
>
>
>
> On 2/5/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io
> <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> >
> wrote:
>> Well that depends on which version you have. the hacked one or the
>> legal one, but normally it does not seem either way to stop nvda
>> closing, its usually strange behaviour generally or just locking up
>> with the dodgy version.
>>
>> Another thought sprang into my mind. Could another user have done a
>> system restore on the machine?
>>  That can certainly cause all manner of confusion. The restarting of
>> nvda being one of them!
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...> Sent via
>> blueyonder.
>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...> , putting
>> 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lou Kolb" <loukolb@... <mailto:loukolb@...> >
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 1:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>>
>>
>>> By the way, the only add-on I'm aware of using is the Elloquence
>>> cynth, but I think I had that problem before I installed it. And,
>>> I'm not certain that that is an add-on anyway. Lou
>>>
>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>> Thanks Lou!
>>>>
>>>> Gene,  While such a setting might be useful in this particular
>>>> case, in most cases, where the crash is unexpected, it's not
>>>> necessarily when the user is trying to exit NVDA, and in that case,
>>>> restarting is a good thing.
>>>> In a case like this, I'd really like to get to the bottom of why it
>>>> is crashing and ideally fix the underlying cause.  If it happens
>>>> for multiple users, even more so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:41 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>> <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Quentin,
>>>>>
>>>>> I won't be working again until Saturday, but I'll have a look at the
>>>>> log then and send it to you, as well. Many thanks. Lou
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> > Sorry Lou, I should have specified that :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you have NVDA running, you can open the log either from NVDA's
>>>>> > tools
>>>>> > menu (NVDA+n, then T, the ENTER to view log, or by pressing
>>>>> > NVDA+F1).
>>>>> You
>>>>> > can also find it in the %temp% directory (both the current nvda.log
>>>>> > and
>>>>> the
>>>>> > previous nvda-old.log files are kept).  More info on log files is at
>>>>> > :
>>>>> > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Quentin.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:55 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>>> > <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Thanks, all, for the very helpful information. I'll certainly try
>>>>> >> those line commands. I should mention that I generally use Jaws as
>>>>> >> my
>>>>> >> primary screen reader, mainly because I've used it for nearly 20
>>>>> >> years. But I find I'm using NVDA more often now, especially in
>>>>> >> situations where I don't want to get tangled in their licensing. In
>>>>> >> fact, I do find that NVDA works better in some cases
>>>>> >> Quentin, where do I find the NVDA log? Lou.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> >> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > You can also quit NVDA with another comand-line switch - again
>>>>> >> > press
>>>>> >> > WINDOWS+R, then type:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > nvda -q
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > and press ENTER.  I would be interested in trying to work out
>>>>> >> > what
>>>>> >> > is
>>>>> >> > causing the problem in any case.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Kind regards
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Quentin.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:36 AM Tony Malykh
>>>>> >> > <anton.malykh@... <mailto:anton.malykh@...> >
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> As a workaround, you can kill NVDA by typing this command:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> taskkill /f /im NVDA.exe
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> In Administrator command prompt.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> On 2/4/2019 11:23 AM, Lou Kolb wrote:
>>>>> >> >> > I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and
>>>>> >> >> > a
>>>>> >> >> > Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At
>>>>> >> >> > work,
>>>>> >> >> > however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I
>>>>> >> >> > get
>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> > Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
>>>>> >> >> > continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to
>>>>> >> >> > restart
>>>>> >> >> > the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set
>>>>> >> >> > to
>>>>> >> >> > start
>>>>> >> >> > on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any
>>>>> >> >> > known
>>>>> fix
>>>>> >> >> > for it? Thanks. Lou
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> >> > Training and Support Manager
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> >> > available:
>>>>> >> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> > Training and Support Manager
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> > available:
>>>>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>
>>>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>
>>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
>
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
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Re: ATTACHMENTS IN EMAILS

Nimer Jaber

Hello,

How are you checking e-mail, are you using Outlook?

Thanks.

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 5:09 PM Stephen Thacker <stephenthacker3@...> wrote:

Hi, I know this maybe slightly off topic but can you help me please? I recently bought a new pc quodcore machine with NVDA, Windows 10 Professional 64 bit. I’ve installed one or two items such as office etc. However when I receive emails and it says in the subject line attachments but does not detail what those attachments are, how do I detach the attachments? On my old machine I just clicked on the attachment bvut cannot find on the new machine the attachment to click on. Any thoughts please?

Thanks in advance of any help, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

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Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Gene

I don't know if it is a random handful.  I just tried one I know to see what would happen.  I already knew about read to end.  Others who use the laptop layout may compare further.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Two things. If in fact there are keystrokes in the desktop layout that don’t’ work if the laptop layout is configured. Well, I guess I stand corrected then.

The second thing  is ... why on earth would they not be and if so, why just a random handful? That seems so … pointless .

Cristóbal

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 3:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Yeah. I like the laptop layout.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 6:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I actually use laptop layout on my desktops and laptop It just feels a lot better and I don't have to move around all that much. My hands are in bad shape so the laptop layout helps a lot.

Now as for object nav think of it this way. Youhave a box, and you open the box. You look inside that box. If there are objects inside the box you open each box to figure out what it is, or isn't in some cases.

On 5 Feb 2019, at 13:42, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Hmmm.  Interesting. I think I’ll experiment with desktop layout on my laptop.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:32 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I just found another command that doesn't work in the laptop layout that is a desktop layout command, read current line, alt up arrow.

However, you may have been referring to the numpad screen review and object navigation commands.  I believe that they work in both layouts, but that's beside the point.  If someone is using the laptop layout and doesn't have a numpad, they need to learn the laptop layout commands.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From:

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:25 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Some commands work in one layout and not in the other.  If you turn on the laptop layout, the desktop layout command for read to end won't work, for example.  I don't know what other commands won't work.

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From:

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:12 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I don't know what the hang up is.
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from
using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now
that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or
desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial
configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean
that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also
ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are
laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that
particular keyboard layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 10:54 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for
the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys
needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene" <gsasner@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.

There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may
send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are
they using?

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be
used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object
navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Molly

Re: FORMATING WITH NVDA

Stephen Thacker

Hi Quentin, it was not configured correctly it seems: I went into NVDA with NVDA key plus n, clicked on settings and cursored down to keyboard. I tabbed across and it appeared the checkbox for both characters and words had been checked so I unchecked the characters and left words checked and then pressed ok. It seems to be ok now. This professional machine seems to do things in its own way and f3 didn’t do anything. But I’m satisfied at the moment. Did you read my message about attachments?

Cheers, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Stephen Thacker via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 00:18
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FORMATING WITH NVDA

Hi,I’ve fixed it now thanks, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 00:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FORMATING WITH NVDA

After redoing the change, NVDA+CTRL+C should do the trick for you.
I'd think it won't affect any future update of the program since it's just a custom setting, nothing systematical so to speak.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 05/02/2019 21:56, Stephen Thacker escreveu:

Hi list, Please can you help? I’m using a Windows 10 Professional machine with 64 bit and it’s a quodcore running NVDA the latest version as far as I know and Windows 10 Professional.

shortly after I bought my latest machine I pressed the nvda key with f3 to change to words so the word is spoken when you press the spacebar. Unfortunately it has somehow gone back to characters ie spoken after each character press which is annoying and I don’t seem to be able to fix this. So is there a better way to permanently have NVDA speak only words ie a word after I’ve pressed the spacebar and save this setting as somehow I’ve unsaved it – does it change after an update of NVDA or a general update of anything on my pc?

Thanks for any help, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Re: trouble closing NVDA

Sam Bushman

Thanks,

Sam

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

In the %temp% folder you should have the last two logs - nvda.log and nvda-old.log.  You can get to the %temp% folder in Windows 10 by opening File Explorer with WINDOWS+E, then press ALT+D to move to the address bar and type %temp% (percent sign, the word t e m p then the percent sign again, no spaces) and press enter.

Thanks heaps for helping with this.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:54 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

How do I get it? I can send it no problem.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

Actually Sam, do you have a copy of your log from the crash please?

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:50 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Thanks Sam, that does help.  Whether it is the same issue Lou is having, we'll see, but at least I can add that bit of info to the issue we already know about.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:49 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

I just tested. When it's on my computer crashed. With it off all is fine. Hope this helps.
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lou Kolb
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

If I recall, speech viewer is a way to show on the screen what the synth is speaking and, no, I don't use it. But I'll certainly check to make sure it hasn't been inadvertently turned on. I do know I've installed several updates with no change in this behavior. I used to run Vocalizer on this machine with no issues. I can't recall whether it started before or after I started using eloquence. Lou

On 2/5/19, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:
> I have Version: 2018.4.1
>
> I am using eloquence paid version – I have the speech viewer off and
> don’t have these issues.
>
>
>
>
>
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin
> Christensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>
>
>
> Ok, if you bought Eloquence from the AT Guys it will certainly be the
> specifically aware of any issues relating to this.
>
>
>
> Ok, I just had another look through our issues, and I did find one
> sounding very similar to yours, but the user was using Vocalizer
> rather than eloquence (though they come in the same bundle, so it
> could be related), and specifically, they had the speech viewer open.
> In that case, closing the speech viewer stopped NVDA crashing.  Do you use speech viewer?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
> <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>
> Quentin,
> I believe I'm running 2018.3.2 on that system , and I only update when
> prompted to. Eloquence was bought from the AT guys, so should be
> legitimate. As I mentioned, I won't be at that location until
> Saturday, but I'll copy and send you the log then. FYI, I work at a
> radio station here in Pennsylvania and the computer I'm running NVDA
> on is used for accessing the net and recording and playing audio.
> However, I have plans to try it on the computer that actually runs the
> station, and a problem like this would be absolutely unacceptable on
> that system. Thanks, again for all the help and suggestions. Lou
>
>
>
> On 2/5/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io
> <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> >
> wrote:
>> Well that depends on which version you have. the hacked one or the
>> legal one, but normally it does not seem either way to stop nvda
>> closing, its usually strange behaviour generally or just locking up
>> with the dodgy version.
>>
>> Another thought sprang into my mind. Could another user have done a
>> system restore on the machine?
>>  That can certainly cause all manner of confusion. The restarting of
>> nvda being one of them!
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...> Sent via
>> blueyonder.
>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...> , putting
>> 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lou Kolb" <loukolb@... <mailto:loukolb@...> >
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 1:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>>
>>
>>> By the way, the only add-on I'm aware of using is the Elloquence
>>> cynth, but I think I had that problem before I installed it. And,
>>> I'm not certain that that is an add-on anyway. Lou
>>>
>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>> Thanks Lou!
>>>>
>>>> Gene,  While such a setting might be useful in this particular
>>>> case, in most cases, where the crash is unexpected, it's not
>>>> necessarily when the user is trying to exit NVDA, and in that case,
>>>> restarting is a good thing.
>>>> In a case like this, I'd really like to get to the bottom of why it
>>>> is crashing and ideally fix the underlying cause.  If it happens
>>>> for multiple users, even more so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:41 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>> <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Quentin,
>>>>>
>>>>> I won't be working again until Saturday, but I'll have a look at the
>>>>> log then and send it to you, as well. Many thanks. Lou
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> > Sorry Lou, I should have specified that :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you have NVDA running, you can open the log either from NVDA's
>>>>> > tools
>>>>> > menu (NVDA+n, then T, the ENTER to view log, or by pressing
>>>>> > NVDA+F1).
>>>>> You
>>>>> > can also find it in the %temp% directory (both the current nvda.log
>>>>> > and
>>>>> the
>>>>> > previous nvda-old.log files are kept).  More info on log files is at
>>>>> > :
>>>>> > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Quentin.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:55 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>>> > <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Thanks, all, for the very helpful information. I'll certainly try
>>>>> >> those line commands. I should mention that I generally use Jaws as
>>>>> >> my
>>>>> >> primary screen reader, mainly because I've used it for nearly 20
>>>>> >> years. But I find I'm using NVDA more often now, especially in
>>>>> >> situations where I don't want to get tangled in their licensing. In
>>>>> >> fact, I do find that NVDA works better in some cases
>>>>> >> Quentin, where do I find the NVDA log? Lou.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> >> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > You can also quit NVDA with another comand-line switch - again
>>>>> >> > press
>>>>> >> > WINDOWS+R, then type:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > nvda -q
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > and press ENTER.  I would be interested in trying to work out
>>>>> >> > what
>>>>> >> > is
>>>>> >> > causing the problem in any case.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Kind regards
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Quentin.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:36 AM Tony Malykh
>>>>> >> > <anton.malykh@... <mailto:anton.malykh@...> >
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> As a workaround, you can kill NVDA by typing this command:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> taskkill /f /im NVDA.exe
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> In Administrator command prompt.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> On 2/4/2019 11:23 AM, Lou Kolb wrote:
>>>>> >> >> > I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and
>>>>> >> >> > a
>>>>> >> >> > Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At
>>>>> >> >> > work,
>>>>> >> >> > however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I
>>>>> >> >> > get
>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> > Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
>>>>> >> >> > continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to
>>>>> >> >> > restart
>>>>> >> >> > the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set
>>>>> >> >> > to
>>>>> >> >> > start
>>>>> >> >> > on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any
>>>>> >> >> > known
>>>>> fix
>>>>> >> >> > for it? Thanks. Lou
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> >> > Training and Support Manager
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> >> > available:
>>>>> >> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> > Training and Support Manager
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> > available:
>>>>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>
>>>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>
>>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
>
>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
>
>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Re: FORMATING WITH NVDA

Any time.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 05/02/2019 22:18, Stephen Thacker escreveu:

Hi,I’ve fixed it now thanks, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 00:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FORMATING WITH NVDA

After redoing the change, NVDA+CTRL+C should do the trick for you.
I'd think it won't affect any future update of the program since it's just a custom setting, nothing systematical so to speak.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 05/02/2019 21:56, Stephen Thacker escreveu:

Hi list, Please can you help? I’m using a Windows 10 Professional machine with 64 bit and it’s a quodcore running NVDA the latest version as far as I know and Windows 10 Professional.

shortly after I bought my latest machine I pressed the nvda key with f3 to change to words so the word is spoken when you press the spacebar. Unfortunately it has somehow gone back to characters ie spoken after each character press which is annoying and I don’t seem to be able to fix this. So is there a better way to permanently have NVDA speak only words ie a word after I’ve pressed the spacebar and save this setting as somehow I’ve unsaved it – does it change after an update of NVDA or a general update of anything on my pc?

Thanks for any help, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Re: FORMATING WITH NVDA

Stephen Thacker

Hi,I’ve fixed it now thanks, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 00:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] FORMATING WITH NVDA

After redoing the change, NVDA+CTRL+C should do the trick for you.
I'd think it won't affect any future update of the program since it's just a custom setting, nothing systematical so to speak.

Cheers,
Marcio

Em 05/02/2019 21:56, Stephen Thacker escreveu:

Hi list, Please can you help? I’m using a Windows 10 Professional machine with 64 bit and it’s a quodcore running NVDA the latest version as far as I know and Windows 10 Professional.

shortly after I bought my latest machine I pressed the nvda key with f3 to change to words so the word is spoken when you press the spacebar. Unfortunately it has somehow gone back to characters ie spoken after each character press which is annoying and I don’t seem to be able to fix this. So is there a better way to permanently have NVDA speak only words ie a word after I’ve pressed the spacebar and save this setting as somehow I’ve unsaved it – does it change after an update of NVDA or a general update of anything on my pc?

Thanks for any help, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Re: FORMATING WITH NVDA

Quentin Christensen

Hi Stephen,

NVDA+3 (the number 3 above the letters) is the keystroke to toggle NVDA echoing typed words rather than f3.

And also for anyone wondering, NVDA+2 toggles whether typed characters are echoed, and NVDA+4 toggles command keys (arrows, spacebar, enter, escape, page down etc).

NVDA is set to save the configuration on exit automatically, but just in case you've turned that off, as Marcio said, NVDA+control+c or choose "Save configuration" from the NVDA menu.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:56 AM Stephen Thacker <stephenthacker3@...> wrote:

Hi list, Please can you help? I’m using a Windows 10 Professional machine with 64 bit and it’s a quodcore running NVDA the latest version as far as I know and Windows 10 Professional.

shortly after I bought my latest machine I pressed the nvda key with f3 to change to words so the word is spoken when you press the spacebar. Unfortunately it has somehow gone back to characters ie spoken after each character press which is annoying and I don’t seem to be able to fix this. So is there a better way to permanently have NVDA speak only words ie a word after I’ve pressed the spacebar and save this setting as somehow I’ve unsaved it – does it change after an update of NVDA or a general update of anything on my pc?

Thanks for any help, Steve

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

--
Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Re: trouble closing NVDA

Quentin Christensen

In the %temp% folder you should have the last two logs - nvda.log and nvda-old.log.  You can get to the %temp% folder in Windows 10 by opening File Explorer with WINDOWS+E, then press ALT+D to move to the address bar and type %temp% (percent sign, the word t e m p then the percent sign again, no spaces) and press enter.

Thanks heaps for helping with this.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:54 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

How do I get it? I can send it no problem.

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

Actually Sam, do you have a copy of your log from the crash please?

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:50 AM Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:

Thanks Sam, that does help.  Whether it is the same issue Lou is having, we'll see, but at least I can add that bit of info to the issue we already know about.

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:49 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

I just tested. When it's on my computer crashed. With it off all is fine. Hope this helps.
Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lou Kolb
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

If I recall, speech viewer is a way to show on the screen what the synth is speaking and, no, I don't use it. But I'll certainly check to make sure it hasn't been inadvertently turned on. I do know I've installed several updates with no change in this behavior. I used to run Vocalizer on this machine with no issues. I can't recall whether it started before or after I started using eloquence. Lou

On 2/5/19, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:
> I have Version: 2018.4.1
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> I am using eloquence paid version – I have the speech viewer off and
> don’t have these issues.
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin
> Christensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
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> Ok, if you bought Eloquence from the AT Guys it will certainly be the
> specifically aware of any issues relating to this.
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> Ok, I just had another look through our issues, and I did find one
> sounding very similar to yours, but the user was using Vocalizer
> rather than eloquence (though they come in the same bundle, so it
> could be related), and specifically, they had the speech viewer open.
> In that case, closing the speech viewer stopped NVDA crashing.  Do you use speech viewer?
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> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
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> Quentin,
> I believe I'm running 2018.3.2 on that system , and I only update when
> prompted to. Eloquence was bought from the AT guys, so should be
> legitimate. As I mentioned, I won't be at that location until
> Saturday, but I'll copy and send you the log then. FYI, I work at a
> radio station here in Pennsylvania and the computer I'm running NVDA
> on is used for accessing the net and recording and playing audio.
> However, I have plans to try it on the computer that actually runs the
> station, and a problem like this would be absolutely unacceptable on
> that system. Thanks, again for all the help and suggestions. Lou
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> On 2/5/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
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>> Well that depends on which version you have. the hacked one or the
>> legal one, but normally it does not seem either way to stop nvda
>> closing, its usually strange behaviour generally or just locking up
>> with the dodgy version.
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>> Another thought sprang into my mind. Could another user have done a
>> system restore on the machine?
>>  That can certainly cause all manner of confusion. The restarting of
>> nvda being one of them!
>>  Brian
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>> From: "Lou Kolb" <loukolb@... <mailto:loukolb@...> >
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 1:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
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>>> By the way, the only add-on I'm aware of using is the Elloquence
>>> cynth, but I think I had that problem before I installed it. And,
>>> I'm not certain that that is an add-on anyway. Lou
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>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>> Thanks Lou!
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>>>> Gene,  While such a setting might be useful in this particular
>>>> case, in most cases, where the crash is unexpected, it's not
>>>> necessarily when the user is trying to exit NVDA, and in that case,
>>>> restarting is a good thing.
>>>> In a case like this, I'd really like to get to the bottom of why it
>>>> is crashing and ideally fix the underlying cause.  If it happens
>>>> for multiple users, even more so.
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>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:41 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>> <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
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>>>>> Quentin,
>>>>>
>>>>> I won't be working again until Saturday, but I'll have a look at the
>>>>> log then and send it to you, as well. Many thanks. Lou
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> > Sorry Lou, I should have specified that :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you have NVDA running, you can open the log either from NVDA's
>>>>> > tools
>>>>> > menu (NVDA+n, then T, the ENTER to view log, or by pressing
>>>>> > NVDA+F1).
>>>>> You
>>>>> > can also find it in the %temp% directory (both the current nvda.log
>>>>> > and
>>>>> the
>>>>> > previous nvda-old.log files are kept).  More info on log files is at
>>>>> > :
>>>>> > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Quentin.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:55 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>>> > <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Thanks, all, for the very helpful information. I'll certainly try
>>>>> >> those line commands. I should mention that I generally use Jaws as
>>>>> >> my
>>>>> >> primary screen reader, mainly because I've used it for nearly 20
>>>>> >> years. But I find I'm using NVDA more often now, especially in
>>>>> >> situations where I don't want to get tangled in their licensing. In
>>>>> >> fact, I do find that NVDA works better in some cases
>>>>> >> Quentin, where do I find the NVDA log? Lou.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> >> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > You can also quit NVDA with another comand-line switch - again
>>>>> >> > press
>>>>> >> > WINDOWS+R, then type:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > nvda -q
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > and press ENTER.  I would be interested in trying to work out
>>>>> >> > what
>>>>> >> > is
>>>>> >> > causing the problem in any case.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Kind regards
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Quentin.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:36 AM Tony Malykh
>>>>> >> > <anton.malykh@... <mailto:anton.malykh@...> >
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> As a workaround, you can kill NVDA by typing this command:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> taskkill /f /im NVDA.exe
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> In Administrator command prompt.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> On 2/4/2019 11:23 AM, Lou Kolb wrote:
>>>>> >> >> > I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and
>>>>> >> >> > a
>>>>> >> >> > Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At
>>>>> >> >> > work,
>>>>> >> >> > however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I
>>>>> >> >> > get
>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> > Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
>>>>> >> >> > continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to
>>>>> >> >> > restart
>>>>> >> >> > the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set
>>>>> >> >> > to
>>>>> >> >> > start
>>>>> >> >> > on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any
>>>>> >> >> > known
>>>>> fix
>>>>> >> >> > for it? Thanks. Lou
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> >> > Training and Support Manager
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> >> > available:
>>>>> >> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> > Training and Support Manager
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>>>>> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> > available:
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>>>>> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
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>>>>> >
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>>>> --
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