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Re: object navigation

Gene
 

I see others have told you how to find these documents.  They are actually html documents available in NVDA.  If you want to get to them more conveniently or read them with another screen-reader you are more familiar with or like the speech better with until you investigate other synthesizers you might want to use with NVDA, you can bookmark the pages just as you would any Internet Page.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 2:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] object navigation

At 02:54 AM 2/6/2019, Gene wrote:
 >You aren't using the correct object navigation and screen review
 >commands.  You use insert numpad and certain keys on the numpad to
 >move from object to object and you use certain numpad keys by
 >themselves to read information in the object where you are located.

That's actually quite helpful. I've already applied these principles
and have actually gotten some objects.

 >>There is at least one tutorial which I see no one has given
 >information for yet and you can get information about the commands by
 >looking in the NVDA manual or the quick reference keys document.  Do
 >you know how to get to these documents?
 >If no one sends information about the tutorial, I'll see if I can find it.


I do not own these documents, unless they come with the NVDA
installation. But I would definitely appreciate them.

Orlando Enrique Fiol




Re: object navigation

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
In the NVDA help menu, there is a commands quick reference guide. To get to
the NVDA help menu press NVDA plus N to activate the NVDA menu. Press the
letter H to activate the help menu. I think the quick reference guide is
the second option. The user guide is the first option you will see.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Orlando Enrique
Fiol
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] object navigation

At 02:54 AM 2/6/2019, Gene wrote:
>You aren't using the correct object navigation and screen review
commands. You use insert numpad and certain keys on the numpad to >move
from object to object and you use certain numpad keys by >themselves to
read information in the object where you are located.

That's actually quite helpful. I've already applied these principles and
have actually gotten some objects.

>>There is at least one tutorial which I see no one has given >information
for yet and you can get information about the commands by >looking in the
NVDA manual or the quick reference keys document. Do >you know how to get
to these documents?
>If no one sends information about the tutorial, I'll see if I can find it.


I do not own these documents, unless they come with the NVDA installation.
But I would definitely appreciate them.

Orlando Enrique Fiol


Re: object navigation

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 04:15 AM 2/6/2019, Jacob Kruger wrote:
NVDA key + letter N, arrow down to help, and, there are two items that
might be suitable - commands quick reference, and, user guide - in both
of those pages that will come up, you can jumpt down to relevant
headings, or just browse the content, etc. etc..
Thanks a lot for simplifying this process. I now have some reading to do.

Orlando Enrique Fiol
Ph.D. in Music Theory
University of Pennsylvania
Professional Pianist/Keyboardist, Percussionist, Arranger, Performer and Pedagogue
Home: (980) 585-1516
Mobile: (267) 971-7090
Email: ofiol@verizon.net


Re: A weird one!

 

I have had windows do things with wireless keyboard.

If its doing that a lot, then its probably your keyboard.

It could be dirty but most like you have a dieing battery.

Make sure you keep a spare wired keyboard and lots of power cells about.

I have had users that have run out of batteries, have noticed things getting unstable, but never bothered about them, or added it to a todo list and forgot.

So they need to get another computer and go out to the store to get a battery.

Its like printer ink, actually buy your drums and ink before you run oout of them.

On 6/02/2019 7:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It thinks you have pressed a combination of keys. I've definitely seen this in Windows 7. It seems quite random and I suspect its a windows issue myself. It is very rare but can for example appear if something is taking longer than normal to boot up I found.
If anyone has any idea let us know Often looking at the nvda log shos that several keys are pressed when only one or two are really pressed.
 I'm almost sure this goes back a very long way and had a ticket but nobody could get it to happen to order. I found often in my case it was windows and control.
Brian

bglists@blueyonder.co.uk
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@blueyonder.co.uk, putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: "NVDA List" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] A weird one!


When I started my computer this morning I went to read my email and every key I pressed nvda kept saying "not in a table cell". I have no idea what that was about. I tried nvda key plus q to quit or restart nvda and it kept saying the same silly thing about table cells. Fortunately I have the Spydec P-View utility and I was able to find nvda.exe in the list of running apps and I was able to kill it from there. After I restarted nvda, everything was normal again! This is the first time I've ever had this happen in several years of using nvda. It was probably a one in a million glitch of some kind, but I'll watch and see if it ever happens again but I doubt it will. Any ideas on what might have happened? Just curious as I don't think this is a bug.

Roger







Re: trouble closing NVDA

 

open the old log in your %temp% directory.



On 6/02/2019 12:52 PM, Sam Bushman wrote:

I tried to get a log entry for you but since it forced a reboot I am not able to get that.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin Christensen
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:51 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

 

Thanks Sam, that does help.  Whether it is the same issue Lou is having, we'll see, but at least I can add that bit of info to the issue we already know about.

 

Quentin.

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:49 AM Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:

I just tested. When it's on my computer crashed. With it off all is fine. Hope this helps.
Sam


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Lou Kolb
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA

If I recall, speech viewer is a way to show on the screen what the synth is speaking and, no, I don't use it. But I'll certainly check to make sure it hasn't been inadvertently turned on. I do know I've installed several updates with no change in this behavior. I used to run Vocalizer on this machine with no issues. I can't recall whether it started before or after I started using eloquence. Lou

On 2/5/19, Sam Bushman <libertyroundtable@...> wrote:
> I have Version: 2018.4.1
>
> I am using eloquence paid version – I have the speech viewer off and
> don’t have these issues.
>
>
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>
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Quentin
> Christensen
> Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:18 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>
>
>
> Ok, if you bought Eloquence from the AT Guys it will certainly be the
> legitimate version.  The latest version of NVDA is 2018.4.1.  We
> recommend being on the latest version generally, but I'm not
> specifically aware of any issues relating to this.
>
>
>
> Ok, I just had another look through our issues, and I did find one
> sounding very similar to yours, but the user was using Vocalizer
> rather than eloquence (though they come in the same bundle, so it
> could be related), and specifically, they had the speech viewer open.
> In that case, closing the speech viewer stopped NVDA crashing.  Do you use speech viewer?
>
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> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:56 PM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
> <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>
> Quentin,
> I believe I'm running 2018.3.2 on that system , and I only update when
> prompted to. Eloquence was bought from the AT guys, so should be
> legitimate. As I mentioned, I won't be at that location until
> Saturday, but I'll copy and send you the log then. FYI, I work at a
> radio station here in Pennsylvania and the computer I'm running NVDA
> on is used for accessing the net and recording and playing audio.
> However, I have plans to try it on the computer that actually runs the
> station, and a problem like this would be absolutely unacceptable on
> that system. Thanks, again for all the help and suggestions. Lou
>
>
>
> On 2/5/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io
> <mailto:blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> >
> wrote:
>> Well that depends on which version you have. the hacked one or the
>> legal one, but normally it does not seem either way to stop nvda
>> closing, its usually strange behaviour generally or just locking up
>> with the dodgy version.
>>
>> Another thought sprang into my mind. Could another user have done a
>> system restore on the machine?
>>  That can certainly cause all manner of confusion. The restarting of
>> nvda being one of them!
>>  Brian
>>
>> bglists@... <mailto:bglists@...> Sent via
>> blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@... <mailto:briang1@...> , putting
>> 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lou Kolb" <loukolb@... <mailto:loukolb@...> >
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> >
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 1:46 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] trouble closing NVDA
>>
>>
>>> By the way, the only add-on I'm aware of using is the Elloquence
>>> cynth, but I think I had that problem before I installed it. And,
>>> I'm not certain that that is an add-on anyway. Lou
>>>
>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>> Thanks Lou!
>>>>
>>>> Gene,  While such a setting might be useful in this particular
>>>> case, in most cases, where the crash is unexpected, it's not
>>>> necessarily when the user is trying to exit NVDA, and in that case,
>>>> restarting is a good thing.
>>>> In a case like this, I'd really like to get to the bottom of why it
>>>> is crashing and ideally fix the underlying cause.  If it happens
>>>> for multiple users, even more so.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 11:41 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>> <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Quentin,
>>>>>
>>>>> I won't be working again until Saturday, but I'll have a look at the
>>>>> log then and send it to you, as well. Many thanks. Lou
>>>>>
>>>>> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> > Sorry Lou, I should have specified that :)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If you have NVDA running, you can open the log either from NVDA's
>>>>> > tools
>>>>> > menu (NVDA+n, then T, the ENTER to view log, or by pressing
>>>>> > NVDA+F1).
>>>>> You
>>>>> > can also find it in the %temp% directory (both the current nvda.log
>>>>> > and
>>>>> the
>>>>> > previous nvda-old.log files are kept).  More info on log files is at
>>>>> > :
>>>>> > https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Regards
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Quentin.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 10:55 AM Lou Kolb <loukolb@...
>>>>> > <mailto:loukolb@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Thanks, all, for the very helpful information. I'll certainly try
>>>>> >> those line commands. I should mention that I generally use Jaws as
>>>>> >> my
>>>>> >> primary screen reader, mainly because I've used it for nearly 20
>>>>> >> years. But I find I'm using NVDA more often now, especially in
>>>>> >> situations where I don't want to get tangled in their licensing. In
>>>>> >> fact, I do find that NVDA works better in some cases
>>>>> >> Quentin, where do I find the NVDA log? Lou.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> On 2/4/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...
>>>>> >> <mailto:quentin@...> > wrote:
>>>>> >> > You can also quit NVDA with another comand-line switch - again
>>>>> >> > press
>>>>> >> > WINDOWS+R, then type:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > nvda -q
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > and press ENTER.  I would be interested in trying to work out
>>>>> >> > what
>>>>> >> > is
>>>>> >> > causing the problem in any case.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Kind regards
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Quentin.
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:36 AM Tony Malykh
>>>>> >> > <anton.malykh@... <mailto:anton.malykh@...> >
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >> As a workaround, you can kill NVDA by typing this command:
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> taskkill /f /im NVDA.exe
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> In Administrator command prompt.
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >> On 2/4/2019 11:23 AM, Lou Kolb wrote:
>>>>> >> >> > I'm using NVDA on 2 computers, a Windows 10 laptop at home and
>>>>> >> >> > a
>>>>> >> >> > Windows 10 desktop at work. At home, I have no problems. At
>>>>> >> >> > work,
>>>>> >> >> > however, NVDA will not close properly. I hit insert+q and I
>>>>> >> >> > get
>>>>> >> >> > the
>>>>> >> >> > Windows error sound and then the startup sound for NVDA and it
>>>>> >> >> > continues to run. The only way I've found to close it is to
>>>>> >> >> > restart
>>>>> >> >> > the computer. It's a shared machine, so I don't have NVDA set
>>>>> >> >> > to
>>>>> >> >> > start
>>>>> >> >> > on boot-up. Has anyone else experienced this? Is there any
>>>>> >> >> > known
>>>>> fix
>>>>> >> >> > for it? Thanks. Lou
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >> >
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >>
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > --
>>>>> >> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> >> > Training and Support Manager
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> >> > available:
>>>>> >> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>> >> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>> >> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >> >
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > --
>>>>> > Quentin Christensen
>>>>> > Training and Support Manager
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now
>>>>> > available:
>>>>> > http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>>> > Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>>> > Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Quentin Christensen
>>>> Training and Support Manager
>>>>
>>>> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
>>>> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>>>>
>>>> www.nvaccess.org <http://www.nvaccess.org>
>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
>>>> Twitter: @NVAccess
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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> --
>
> Quentin Christensen
> Training and Support Manager
>
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>
> Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available:
> <http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/> http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/
>
>
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>  <http://www.nvaccess.org/> www.nvaccess.org
>
> Facebook:  <http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess>
> http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess
> Twitter: @NVAccess
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--

Quentin Christensen
Training and Support Manager

 

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

 

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: ATTACHMENTS IN EMAILS

 

Sadly some stuff can say attatchments but not actually have anything.

Some stuff have automatic attachments like some outlook things, maybe some pictures, those usually are scrubbed with the message but not allways.



On 6/02/2019 1:09 PM, Stephen Thacker wrote:

Hi, I know this maybe slightly off topic but can you help me please? I recently bought a new pc quodcore machine with NVDA, Windows 10 Professional 64 bit. I’ve installed one or two items such as office etc. However when I receive emails and it says in the subject line attachments but does not detail what those attachments are, how do I detach the attachments? On my old machine I just clicked on the attachment bvut cannot find on the new machine the attachment to click on. Any thoughts please?

 

Thanks in advance of any help, Steve

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Re: Python

Larry Honaker <kc8pdx@...>
 

Thank you.

Larry W. Honaker

Kc8pdx@outlook.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of John Isige
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 3:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [NVDA] Python

Run python, not idle. Use whatever text editor you like for programming, the only thing you really need to know that's different is indentation level. As far as I know idle isn't accessible. Be nice if it was just to get a development environment, but really, I don't think you really need it. Plus it would be one more thing to learn on top of everything else.


On 2/6/2019 0:56, Larry Honaker wrote:

Greetings All,

I am beginning the process of learning NVDA and as a former programmer
am interested in trying my hand at a little Python programming.

I downloaded Python 3.7 and executed the Idle app.

The Python shell came up, but I do not see any prompts with NVDA or
Jaws.  What am I missing and how do I proceed?  Any guidance is welcome.

Thanks!  Lh

Larry W. Honaker

Kc8pdx@outlook.com


Re: object navigation

Jacob Kruger
 

NVDA key + letter N, arrow down to help, and, there are two items that
might be suitable - commands quick reference, and, user guide - in both
of those pages that will come up, you can jumpt down to relevant
headings, or just browse the content, etc. etc..


HTH


Jacob Kruger
082 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-06 10:58 AM, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
At 02:54 AM 2/6/2019, Gene wrote:
You aren't using the correct object navigation and screen review
commands.  You use insert numpad and certain keys on the numpad to
move from object to object and you use certain numpad keys by
themselves to read information in the object where you are located.
That's actually quite helpful. I've already applied these principles
and have actually gotten some objects.

There is at least one tutorial which I see no one has given
information for yet and you can get information about the commands by
looking in the NVDA manual or the quick reference keys document.  Do
you know how to get to these documents?
If no one sends information about the tutorial, I'll see if I can
find it.


I do not own these documents, unless they come with the NVDA
installation. But I would definitely appreciate them.

Orlando Enrique Fiol




Re: object navigation

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 02:54 AM 2/6/2019, Gene wrote:
You aren't using the correct object navigation and screen review
commands. You use insert numpad and certain keys on the numpad to
move from object to object and you use certain numpad keys by
themselves to read information in the object where you are located.
That's actually quite helpful. I've already applied these principles and have actually gotten some objects.

There is at least one tutorial which I see no one has given
information for yet and you can get information about the commands by
looking in the NVDA manual or the quick reference keys document. Do
you know how to get to these documents?
If no one sends information about the tutorial, I'll see if I can find it.

I do not own these documents, unless they come with the NVDA installation. But I would definitely appreciate them.

Orlando Enrique Fiol


calibre accessibility

enes sarıbaş
 

hi,

Is there special settings to make calibre more accessible? I cannot configure all the settings for pdf conversion. Also comboboxes aren't accessible. There must be a problem as calibre split a 541 page epub into 1390 pages.


Re: Python

John Isige
 

Run python, not idle. Use whatever text editor you like for programming,
the only thing you really need to know that's different is indentation
level. As far as I know idle isn't accessible. Be nice if it was just to
get a development environment, but really, I don't think you really need
it. Plus it would be one more thing to learn on top of everything else.

On 2/6/2019 0:56, Larry Honaker wrote:

Greetings All,

I am beginning the process of learning NVDA and as a former programmer
am interested in trying my hand at a little Python programming.

I downloaded Python 3.7 and executed the Idle app.

The Python shell came up, but I do not see any prompts with NVDA or
Jaws.  What am I missing and how do I proceed?  Any guidance is welcome.

Thanks!  Lh

Larry W. Honaker

Kc8pdx@outlook.com


Re: Microsoft Word and hearing document location information

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Jeff,

If you press NVDA+numpad delete, or if using laptop layout, NVDA+delete, NVDA will report the distance from the left and top edges of the page in whatever measurement unit you have Word set to report in (note this also includes the page margin).

Reading the status bar (NVDA+end for desktop layout or NVDA+shift+end for laptop layout) should tell you the section and page.  You can also set the status bar to tell you the line and column information.  To do that, press F6 to move the focus to the status bar, then press the applications key to open the context menu.  Arrow through the options and press space to check or uncheck any items you want (line and column are both in there).

Regards

Quentin.

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 5:51 PM Jeff Samco <jsamco@...> wrote:
When using Word how can I learn where the cursor is in the document?
That would be the distance from top of page, distance from left
margin, and page number.
Thanks,
Jeff






--
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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Gene
 

You aren't using the correct object navigation and screen review commands.  You use insert numpad and certain keys on the numpad to move from object to object and you use certain numpad keys by themselves to read information in the object where you are located. 
 
There is at least one tutorial which I see no one has given information for yet and you can get information about the commands by looking in the NVDA manual or the quick reference keys document.  Do you know how to get to these documents?
 
If no one sends information about the tutorial, I'll see if I can find it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 3:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Hi all. I'm Molly's mysterious friend. I have a laptop with a number
pad and a normal full qwerty keyboard on my desktop. Using the key
combination of NVDA+shift+arrows, I get no speech output other than
the actual pressed keys. I assume that object navigation would tell
me all sorts of things that I'm not hearing now.

Orlando Enrique Fiol




Python

Larry Honaker <kc8pdx@...>
 

Greetings All,

 

I am beginning the process of learning NVDA and as a former programmer am interested in trying my hand at a little Python programming.

 

I downloaded Python 3.7 and executed the Idle app.

 

The Python shell came up, but I do not see any prompts with NVDA or Jaws.  What am I missing and how do I proceed?  Any guidance is welcome.

 

Thanks!  Lh

 

Larry W. Honaker

 

Kc8pdx@...

 


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

At 06:28 PM 2/5/2019, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
Now as for object nav think of it this way. Youhave a box, and you open
the box. You look inside that box. If there are objects inside the box
you open each box to figure out what it is, or isn't in some cases.

Following Sarah's analogy, NVDA is not speaking anything about the box; it's just echoing my hotkey presses.
Orlando Enrique Fiol


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

Orlando Enrique Fiol
 

Hi all. I'm Molly's mysterious friend. I have a laptop with a number pad and a normal full qwerty keyboard on my desktop. Using the key combination of NVDA+shift+arrows, I get no speech output other than the actual pressed keys. I assume that object navigation would tell me all sorts of things that I'm not hearing now.

Orlando Enrique Fiol


Microsoft Word and hearing document location information

Jeff Samco
 

When using Word how can I learn where the cursor is in the document? That would be the distance from top of page, distance from left margin, and page number.
Thanks,
Jeff


Re: Need help learning Braille

Michael Munn
 

I have been reading braille for 10 years now. Braille for me is what print is for sighted. I urge you to sign up with Hadley Institute ASAP and begin reading Braille.
Thanks 
Best Regards 
Michael Munn 


Re: Need help learning Braille

chris miles
 

On 05/02/2019 14:59, Sociohack AC wrote:

Hi guys!
I always had enough vision that I never felt the need of learning Braille. I'm 22 and wish to learn it now. I need to make frequent presentations in my class, and for now, I try and memorize all the stuff I need to present. It's a difficult and time consuming task, I'm thinking maybe learning Braille could help me in this regard. I see myself in professions which might need frequent public speaking.

What do you guys suggest? Is learning Braille a good idea at this point? How long will it take and how efficient can I get? I have read on this forum that it is very difficult and you can't get very good at it, if you start leaning it at an advanced age.

All feedback is welcome.

Regards

Hi,


Braille is made up of 6 cells; 3 on one side of the 6 dots and 3 on the other side of the 6 dots.


So you have:-


.1    .4

.2    .5

.3    .6


All you need to do to learn the first 10 letters of the alphabet and then add .3 for the next 10 letters and .6 for the last 6 letters (W comes at the end)


Dot 1 is A

Dots 1 and 2 is B

Dots 1 and 4 is C

Dots 1, 3 & 4 is D

Dots 1 & 5 is E

Dots 1, 2 & 3 is F

Dots 1, 2, 4 & 5 is G

Dots 1, 2 & 5 is H

Dots 2 & 4 is I

Dots 2, 4 & 5 is J



N.B: If you put a number sign in front of the first 10 letters - a BLE sign - Dots 3, 4, 5 & 6 - A (Dot 1) becomes number 1. So B becomes 2, and J is zero..


If you add a Dot 3 to Dot 1 it becomes K (originally A)

Therefore Dots 1 & 2 (B) and add Dot 3 - becomes L

So you do this until you get to J and add Dot 3 - becomes T


To get the next 6 letters all you need to do is add a Dot 6.


So Dot 1 (A)

Add Dot 3 - becomes K

Add Dot 6 - becomes U


So B - becomes V and so on.


So when you get to J:

Add Dot 3 - becomes T

Add Dot 6 to Dots 2, 4 and 5 - becomes W.


If you press dots 1, 2, 3, 4 & 6 together - AND sign

If you press all 6 dots together - FOR sign

If you press dots 1, 3, 4, 5 & 6 together - YOU sign

If you press dots 1, 2, 3, 5 & 6 - Of sign

If you press dots 2, 3, 4, 5 & 6 together - WITH sign.


Once you have learned the alphabet, there are combinations of dots which are contractions; i.e. dot 6 with N - Nation....


I learned to type and read to grade 2 in about 6 months, generally about 3 days a week. I had a set of tapes whereby I had to type a number of words on a single line which included a certain contraction such as dis, etc. I used a Perkins to type on braille paper. A friend checked my work once a week and I learned a new contraction for the following week.


I hope this helps you.


I believe you can purchase braille learning materials from the RNIB; 03031239999


Re: need help explaining object navigation to a friend

hurrikennyandopo ...
 

Hi


Say in the case of a desk top computer which i use you use your modifier key  and the numeric keypad.

Make sure your num lock key is off.


you will need to put your self into that mode first press the nvda key +7 on the numeric keypad to do this make sure you hear it spoken.


NVDA key + 8 takes you up a level nvda key + 2 takes you down a level. NVDA key + 4 will take you to the left and nvda key + 6 will take you to the right and they will also say if you can not go any further to the left or right.



You will also see more if the check box under the review cursor settings called Simple review mode is unchecked.


Probably for a quick example open up note pad then type in some text then use the alt key + f4 key you will then be given some options like save cancel etc and you will only hear the message once. Even though you can tab between those buttons it will not read out the message again. So if you are in object navigation mode use the nvda key + 8 on the numeric key pad to go up one level to read the message.


You apart from that would not not really use it to get to the buttons you can already tab to.



There are other places you would use it on it would depend if you can get to it or not.


Gene nz




On 6/02/2019 10:40 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I think the problem was my friend tried using insert or caps lock while pressing the arrow keys and it didn't work. Or something like that. I realize I'm not explaining this very well, butI bet if we used NVDA remote support I could help figure it out. But then I'd feel like I was hijacking the computer. Not my intention 😉

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 4:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I don't know what the hang up is. 
Having one of the other type of physical machine doesn't prohibit you from using either layout. Indeed, since I can remember be it with Jaws or now that I'm trying to use NVDA more, every machine I've had, be it a laptop or desktop, one of the first things I've always done when doing the initial configuration is to enable the laptop keyboard layout. This doesn’t' mean that you can't use the desktop layout anymore. Simply that you will also have access to the laptop keystrokes in addition to the traditional desktop ones.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 1:04 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend

I honestly don't know if I'm the best person to help. Both my machines are laptop. I haven't used a desktop in years so I'm unfamiliar with that particular keyboard layout.

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I think though that the basic answer is that the caps lock can be used for the insert key by allowing it to do so in the settings, but that the keys needed for the navigation are different in the layouts.
 Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 2:11 PM
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It isn't Practical to help unless we know if the person is using the desktop

or laptop layout.  One system should be taught at a time.


There is a tutorial by Joseph Lee that teaches object navigation.  I may send my own in the not distant future.

Other list members can tell you where to get Joseph Lee's tutorial.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend


My friend has a desktop and a laptop. Not sure which one they're using.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 8:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Does the person have a numpad on their machine?  Which keyboard layout are they using?



Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: molly the blind tech lover

Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 7:46 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: [nvda] need help explaining object navigation to a friend



Hey guys, Molly here again.

I'm trying to help a friend with object navigation. Can the insert key be used in object navigation, or does it require just the caps lock key? I have

an insert key on my laptop, but it is physically impossible to use object navigation with the insert key due to where it is located on my machine.

Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.



Molly





















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