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Re: video editting

Chantelle Buys
 

Hi.

I've tried reaper. but, either I'm doing something wrong or I don't
have everything installed?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@gmail.com> wrote:
I use reaper. My video edits are not clean, but they work.

Take care

On 6 Feb 2019, at 6:51, AKH AKH wrote:

Is it even possible to edit a video with NVDA?  Has anyone tried any
applications?  AVS Video Editor does not work.


Andrew





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Re: video editting

Sarah k Alawami
 

I use reaper. My video edits are not clean, but they work.

Take care

On 6 Feb 2019, at 6:51, AKH AKH wrote:

Is it even possible to edit a video with NVDA?  Has anyone tried any
applications?  AVS Video Editor does not work.


Andrew




Re: video editting

Chantelle Buys
 

Do you have Skype?

Movie Maker's easy to use, you have to move to the timeline to play the video.

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle


Yes please, very helpful.


Andrew


On 06/02/2019 15:57, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

My channel is at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzDN2rSkVPXSPtbLavhglmQ?view_as=subscriber

Tell you what. I'll get that link where I've gotten my movie maker and
send it to you here. Will that help?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@gmail.com> wrote:
You can actually download Windows movie maker for free from the
Internet.
You can do a Google search and you will get the correct link from where
you
could download.
Cheers,
Manoj

http://www.swar-ras.com

On Feb 6, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew.

Well, I'm a YouTuber and since Microsoft took Movie Maker out, I've
been left hanging.

I to am looking for someone to create an addon or something to use
with Plotagon which is a fun program to play with. A program that
brings your thoughts to life.

Do you have a Movie Maker file?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle


We will have to ask the NVDA developers. I'm even prepared to pay to
get a video editor made!


Andrew


On 06/02/2019 14:55, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

I've found an old Movie Maker file and so, I'm using Movie Maker
again.

Only problem now is that I also have to convert some of my video
files
with Handbrake which sometimes also doesn't help much.

I to am wondering if there's any video editor that would work with
NVDA?

Microsoft aren't really helping either.

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Is it even possible to edit a video with NVDA? Has anyone tried any
applications? AVS Video Editor does not work.


Andrew






--
Never give up, at any cost.





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Never give up, at any cost.


Re: video editting

AKH AKH
 

Hi Chantelle


Yes please, very helpful.


Andrew

On 06/02/2019 15:57, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

My channel is at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzDN2rSkVPXSPtbLavhglmQ?view_as=subscriber

Tell you what. I'll get that link where I've gotten my movie maker and
send it to you here. Will that help?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@gmail.com> wrote:
You can actually download Windows movie maker for free from the Internet.
You can do a Google search and you will get the correct link from where you
could download.
Cheers,
Manoj

http://www.swar-ras.com

On Feb 6, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew.

Well, I'm a YouTuber and since Microsoft took Movie Maker out, I've
been left hanging.

I to am looking for someone to create an addon or something to use
with Plotagon which is a fun program to play with. A program that
brings your thoughts to life.

Do you have a Movie Maker file?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle


We will have to ask the NVDA developers. I'm even prepared to pay to
get a video editor made!


Andrew


On 06/02/2019 14:55, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

I've found an old Movie Maker file and so, I'm using Movie Maker again.

Only problem now is that I also have to convert some of my video files
with Handbrake which sometimes also doesn't help much.

I to am wondering if there's any video editor that would work with
NVDA?

Microsoft aren't really helping either.

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Is it even possible to edit a video with NVDA? Has anyone tried any
applications? AVS Video Editor does not work.


Andrew






--
Never give up, at any cost.




Re: Competition was Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

Devin Prater
 

Eric, thanks so much for this enlightening message.

On Feb 6, 2019, at 9:34 AM, erik burggraaf <erik@erik-burggraaf.com> wrote:

The key to this situation as many have said is self-interest. As a programming student, I have a lot of computers around my house. my personal preference is for Mac, but the college is using absolutely nothing but visual studio for Windows. The complete Monopoly of visual studio in the college is extremely frustrating to me. Microsoft, for all its vaunted accessibility spending, still builds apps the way they did in the early 2000. Accessibility continues to be an afterthought despite millions of dollars spent on artificial intelligence is that are supposed to make our lives better in the future. They haven't told us how we're supposed to pay for those brand new accessibility features, when we can't get jobs because we can't get access to visual studio features and SharePoint team site. VScode accessibility is under development on Windows, though Microsoft admits, it is currently ignoring accessibility on the Mack. as a person who wants very much to develop on Mac OS, I find Microsoft limited attention to accessibility on the Mac extremely irritating. Since accessibility on Windows is only slightly better, a part of me wishes Windows would simply implode and go away. As a systems technician formerly earning my bread cleaning up viruses and security threats, I learned to revile parts of the windows computing experience.


the days of high-cost accessibility are not nearly as far behind us as we would all like to believe. customers investing thousands of dollars each overtime had a right to feel proprietary about the products they bought, even if they never saw the money they paid in. 即日factor in the extremely preferential nature of speech synthesizers and Braille displays used for screen reader output, and the politics of screen reader manufacturers, and you had a real soup of excessive loyalties. That situation still holds true today, even though there are far fewer of those high-cost screen readers than there once were. the fact is, customers are now far more in control of what they spend, and they see much more of the money, then they did in the days of expensive screen readers.

despite the idealistic belief of many learned people who ought to know better, there is very little evidence to support the idea that competition was good for screen reader manufacturers, and evidence in abundance to support the idea that it was never good. In fact it was bad. Over the last 20 years, competition in the screen reader market has been based not on quality, performance, and features, but on exclusivity agreements, and corporate litigation. accessibility continue to be an afterthought, and only the manufacturer with the right high-level access in any given situation could develop accessibility for a given product. Wait times for accessibility to off-the-shelf products could you take years. Software developers used their products to try to freeze out hardware manufacturers.

I wish Jaws would die, because it's expensive, proprietary, unnecessary, and I revile the politics of the people who develop it. Competition between nvda and Jaws is not good for customers, and it's not good for the market. obsolescence of jaws has major ramifications for companies such as Banks using old proprietary systems, but I think it would be a mistake to feel too Sorry for those types of companies. increased adoption of nvda with the right advocacy could lead to higher employment, better education and training, and better design practices for commercial software. we are all good and valuable things, not merely for blind people, but for businesses, infrastructures, economies, and society in general.

a competition between nvda and narrator may have some positive ramifications, especially on the narrator side, but the sooner freedom scientific gets out of the way, the better.

Best,

Th
erik


On February 3, 2019 9:43:12 AM "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
here's what I don't get: Why would some users of one screen reader
actually wish for another screen reader to disappear? I can understand
when a company decides it would be somewhat cool if the competition
didn't exist. But users? Why would I, for instance, as a Mac user want
Windows to die? Wouldn't it be logical for a JAWS user to be grateful
that NVDA exists because competition improves quality?
Best,
Felix

Am So., 3. Feb. 2019 um 14:35 Uhr schrieb molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@gmail.com>:

Hi.

I agree with everything you say.

I love NVDA.

I am so grateful that it exists as it has changed my life for the better. I am so grateful to all the NVDA developers and contributors.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



Hi!

Reading this thread about the rumours of NVDA dying, I couldn’t help thinking: would I be right in guessing that the people who mentioned this don’t use NVDA themselves? Over the years I’ve come across several users of other screenreaders who look down on NVDA for different reasons, so maybe the talk of the death of NVDA was wishful thinking on their part, hoping we’d all flock to use whatever screenreaders they have. Very cynical, I know, but I couldn’t get that thought out of my mind, that’s why I expressed it here; And no, I have no intention of being nasty to users of other screenreaders, I have simply noticed that some users of any screenreader or system, sometimes just a tiny minority, are quick to look down on anyone who doesn’t use the same thing.

However, I’m convinced that there’s plenty of life in NVDA as we discuss this: look how hard the developers are working to not only keep this screenreader alive, but also to improve it! We’re all grateful to them, I know, and I wish to add: keep up the good work! And I’m not just saying that to keep the rumour-mongers quiet, we want this excellent screenreader to keep existing for a long time to come. It may have its imperfections, every screenreader does, but it would only be worth killing off if it’s no good, and it’s exactly the opposite, an excellent way to access the Windows operating system for many blind people. Long live NVDA!

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: dimanche 3 février 2019 07:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



As far as I could tell, all of the people concerned were on Windows 10, not XP.



I know I'll have to shift away from 7 eventually, but hopefully not any time this year. I will when I must, but as long as the next release of NVDA will work on my Win 7 system, I'll be content.

On 3/02/2019 4:33 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Those rumors were probably from who have a Windows 10 phobia. Now there are performance issues with people trying to run the latest version of NVDA on Windows XP or earlier. That is flatly stated on this and other NVDA lists and websites.



Folks, you have to move on past XP and eventually even Windows 7. I am very conservative when it comes to changing a system that works well. I had an XP system at least one of the 3 systems I own until early 2018, but I now have 2 Windows 10 systems playing perfectly with NVDA and I feel a bit better than with JAWS latest release. I still don't like JAWS identifying the Windows Explorer windows as multi select list boxes and reading every item in the displayed columns. Even with the updated scripts for Thunderbird, JAWS still seems sluggish and clunky when compared to NVDA in that program.



So there you have it--just my 2 cents.



On 2/2/2019 10:36 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

It wasn't on an NVDA skype group, just a misc one for someone's live streams where all sorts of topics come up. There were some complaints about performance issues a couple days ago, and that was where the sentiments I related were mentioned. It upset me quite a bit to hear such things...

On 3/02/2019 1:42 pm, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.


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They ask: "How Happy are You?"

I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"







Re: video editting

AKH AKH
 

Hi Manoj


Great suggestion.  I've just got the Windows Editor - do you know how I
actually play the file I have just imported in to my first project?  I
note that space bar should play, but it says not available.


Andrew

On 06/02/2019 15:43, Manoj Govindraj wrote:
You can actually download Windows movie maker for free from the Internet. You can do a Google search and you will get the correct link from where you could download.
Cheers,
Manoj

http://www.swar-ras.com

On Feb 6, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew.

Well, I'm a YouTuber and since Microsoft took Movie Maker out, I've
been left hanging.

I to am looking for someone to create an addon or something to use
with Plotagon which is a fun program to play with. A program that
brings your thoughts to life.

Do you have a Movie Maker file?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle


We will have to ask the NVDA developers. I'm even prepared to pay to
get a video editor made!


Andrew


On 06/02/2019 14:55, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

I've found an old Movie Maker file and so, I'm using Movie Maker again.

Only problem now is that I also have to convert some of my video files
with Handbrake which sometimes also doesn't help much.

I to am wondering if there's any video editor that would work with NVDA?

Microsoft aren't really helping either.

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Is it even possible to edit a video with NVDA? Has anyone tried any
applications? AVS Video Editor does not work.


Andrew






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Re: video editting

Chantelle Buys
 

Here we go.

http://web.archive.org/web/20170112124505/http:/wl.dlservice.microsoft.com/download/C/1/B/C1BA42D6-6A50-4A4A-90E5-FA9347E9360C/en/wlsetup-all.exe

Your computer might say that it's not downloading or something but, if
you are using Google Chrome, you can just check on the download page
on its progress.

When installing, just uncheck all the other things like messenger and
everything else and leave movie maker checked.

Hope it helps?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi.

My channel is at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzDN2rSkVPXSPtbLavhglmQ?view_as=subscriber

Tell you what. I'll get that link where I've gotten my movie maker and
send it to you here. Will that help?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@gmail.com> wrote:
You can actually download Windows movie maker for free from the Internet.
You can do a Google search and you will get the correct link from where
you
could download.
Cheers,
Manoj

http://www.swar-ras.com

On Feb 6, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew.

Well, I'm a YouTuber and since Microsoft took Movie Maker out, I've
been left hanging.

I to am looking for someone to create an addon or something to use
with Plotagon which is a fun program to play with. A program that
brings your thoughts to life.

Do you have a Movie Maker file?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle


We will have to ask the NVDA developers. I'm even prepared to pay to
get a video editor made!


Andrew


On 06/02/2019 14:55, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

I've found an old Movie Maker file and so, I'm using Movie Maker
again.

Only problem now is that I also have to convert some of my video files
with Handbrake which sometimes also doesn't help much.

I to am wondering if there's any video editor that would work with
NVDA?

Microsoft aren't really helping either.

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Is it even possible to edit a video with NVDA? Has anyone tried any
applications? AVS Video Editor does not work.


Andrew








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Re: video editting

Chantelle Buys
 

Hi.

My channel is at

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzDN2rSkVPXSPtbLavhglmQ?view_as=subscriber

Tell you what. I'll get that link where I've gotten my movie maker and
send it to you here. Will that help?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@gmail.com> wrote:
You can actually download Windows movie maker for free from the Internet.
You can do a Google search and you will get the correct link from where you
could download.
Cheers,
Manoj

http://www.swar-ras.com

On Feb 6, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew.

Well, I'm a YouTuber and since Microsoft took Movie Maker out, I've
been left hanging.

I to am looking for someone to create an addon or something to use
with Plotagon which is a fun program to play with. A program that
brings your thoughts to life.

Do you have a Movie Maker file?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle


We will have to ask the NVDA developers. I'm even prepared to pay to
get a video editor made!


Andrew


On 06/02/2019 14:55, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

I've found an old Movie Maker file and so, I'm using Movie Maker again.

Only problem now is that I also have to convert some of my video files
with Handbrake which sometimes also doesn't help much.

I to am wondering if there's any video editor that would work with
NVDA?

Microsoft aren't really helping either.

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Is it even possible to edit a video with NVDA? Has anyone tried any
applications? AVS Video Editor does not work.


Andrew








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Never give up, at any cost.




--
Never give up, at any cost.


Re: Extra stuff announced

Roger Stewart
 

This might be what you are looking for. Open nvda menu, open preferences, go down to Object Presentation tab into there and look for Report Object Description and uncheck it and ok out of there to save.  Hope that does what you want.
Roger

On 2/6/2019 9:04 AM, Howard Traxler wrote:
GM all,


When I'm looking at a list of files in a folder, as I go down the list, NVDA interjects extra words in addition to what's on the line.  These must be column headers or something?  Someone told me, a long time ago, where in NVDA I can go to turn that off. Very sorry I didn't save that note or write it down somewhere. Could someone please tell me again?  I'll save it this time.


Thank you.


Howard




Re: video editting

Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@...>
 

You can actually download Windows movie maker for free from the Internet. You can do a Google search and you will get the correct link from where you could download.
Cheers,
Manoj

http://www.swar-ras.com

On Feb 6, 2019, at 10:10 AM, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Andrew.

Well, I'm a YouTuber and since Microsoft took Movie Maker out, I've
been left hanging.

I to am looking for someone to create an addon or something to use
with Plotagon which is a fun program to play with. A program that
brings your thoughts to life.

Do you have a Movie Maker file?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle


We will have to ask the NVDA developers. I'm even prepared to pay to
get a video editor made!


Andrew


On 06/02/2019 14:55, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

I've found an old Movie Maker file and so, I'm using Movie Maker again.

Only problem now is that I also have to convert some of my video files
with Handbrake which sometimes also doesn't help much.

I to am wondering if there's any video editor that would work with NVDA?

Microsoft aren't really helping either.

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Is it even possible to edit a video with NVDA? Has anyone tried any
applications? AVS Video Editor does not work.


Andrew








--
Never give up, at any cost.



Re: video editting

AKH AKH
 

Hi Chantelle


Very interesting.  I don't have a Movie Maker file.  I use AVS and get
someone else to edit for me.  I wish I could do it myself.  I love
editing audio on Goldwave.  I'm a new Youtuber, if it's not Off Topic,
what's your channel?


Andrew

On 06/02/2019 15:10, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi Andrew.

Well, I'm a YouTuber and since Microsoft took Movie Maker out, I've
been left hanging.

I to am looking for someone to create an addon or something to use
with Plotagon which is a fun program to play with. A program that
brings your thoughts to life.

Do you have a Movie Maker file?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle


We will have to ask the NVDA developers.  I'm even prepared to pay to
get a video editor made!


Andrew


On 06/02/2019 14:55, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

I've found an old Movie Maker file and so, I'm using Movie Maker again.

Only problem now is that I also have to convert some of my video files
with Handbrake which sometimes also doesn't help much.

I to am wondering if there's any video editor that would work with NVDA?

Microsoft aren't really helping either.

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Is it even possible to edit a video with NVDA?  Has anyone tried any
applications?  AVS Video Editor does not work.


Andrew







Competition was Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?

erik burggraaf <erik@...>
 

The key to this situation as many have said is self-interest. As a programming student, I have a lot of computers around my house. my personal preference is for Mac, but the college is using absolutely nothing but visual studio for Windows. The complete Monopoly of visual studio in the college is extremely frustrating to me. Microsoft, for all its vaunted accessibility spending, still builds apps the way they did in the early 2000. Accessibility continues to be an afterthought despite millions of dollars spent on artificial intelligence is that are supposed to make our lives better in the future. They haven't told us how we're supposed to pay for those brand new accessibility features, when we can't get jobs because we can't get access to visual studio features and SharePoint team site. VScode accessibility is under development on Windows, though Microsoft admits, it is currently ignoring accessibility on the Mack. as a person who wants very much to develop on Mac OS, I find Microsoft limited attention to accessibility on the Mac extremely irritating. Since accessibility on Windows is only slightly better, a part of me wishes Windows would simply implode and go away. As a systems technician formerly earning my bread cleaning up viruses and security threats, I learned to revile parts of the windows computing experience.


the days of high-cost accessibility are not nearly as far behind us as we would all like to believe. customers investing thousands of dollars each overtime had a right to feel proprietary about the products they bought, even if they never saw the money they paid in. 即日factor in the extremely preferential nature of speech synthesizers and Braille displays used for screen reader output, and the politics of screen reader manufacturers, and you had a real soup of excessive loyalties. That situation still holds true today, even though there are far fewer of those high-cost screen readers than there once were. the fact is, customers are now far more in control of what they spend, and they see much more of the money, then they did in the days of expensive screen readers.

despite the idealistic belief of many learned people who ought to know better, there is very little evidence to support the idea that competition was good for screen reader manufacturers, and evidence in abundance to support the idea that it was never good. In fact it was bad. Over the last 20 years, competition in the screen reader market has been based not on quality, performance, and features, but on exclusivity agreements, and corporate litigation. accessibility continue to be an afterthought, and only the manufacturer with the right high-level access in any given situation could develop accessibility for a given product. Wait times for accessibility to off-the-shelf products could you take years. Software developers used their products to try to freeze out hardware manufacturers.

I wish Jaws would die, because it's expensive, proprietary, unnecessary, and I revile the politics of the people who develop it. Competition between nvda and Jaws is not good for customers, and it's not good for the market. obsolescence of jaws has major ramifications for companies such as Banks using old proprietary systems, but I think it would be a mistake to feel too Sorry for those types of companies. increased adoption of nvda with the right advocacy could lead to higher employment, better education and training, and better design practices for commercial software. we are all good and valuable things, not merely for blind people, but for businesses, infrastructures, economies, and society in general.

a competition between nvda and narrator may have some positive ramifications, especially on the narrator side, but the sooner freedom scientific gets out of the way, the better.

Best,

Th
erik

On February 3, 2019 9:43:12 AM "Felix G." <constantlyvariable@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi,
here's what I don't get: Why would some users of one screen reader
actually wish for another screen reader to disappear? I can understand
when a company decides it would be somewhat cool if the competition
didn't exist. But users? Why would I, for instance, as a Mac user want
Windows to die? Wouldn't it be logical for a JAWS user to be grateful
that NVDA exists because competition improves quality?
Best,
Felix

Am So., 3. Feb. 2019 um 14:35 Uhr schrieb molly the blind tech lover
<brainardmolly@gmail.com>:

Hi.

I agree with everything you say.

I love NVDA.

I am so grateful that it exists as it has changed my life for the better. I am so grateful to all the NVDA developers and contributors.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2019 8:26 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



Hi!

Reading this thread about the rumours of NVDA dying, I couldn’t help thinking: would I be right in guessing that the people who mentioned this don’t use NVDA themselves? Over the years I’ve come across several users of other screenreaders who look down on NVDA for different reasons, so maybe the talk of the death of NVDA was wishful thinking on their part, hoping we’d all flock to use whatever screenreaders they have. Very cynical, I know, but I couldn’t get that thought out of my mind, that’s why I expressed it here; And no, I have no intention of being nasty to users of other screenreaders, I have simply noticed that some users of any screenreader or system, sometimes just a tiny minority, are quick to look down on anyone who doesn’t use the same thing.

However, I’m convinced that there’s plenty of life in NVDA as we discuss this: look how hard the developers are working to not only keep this screenreader alive, but also to improve it! We’re all grateful to them, I know, and I wish to add: keep up the good work! And I’m not just saying that to keep the rumour-mongers quiet, we want this excellent screenreader to keep existing for a long time to come. It may have its imperfections, every screenreader does, but it would only be worth killing off if it’s no good, and it’s exactly the opposite, an excellent way to access the Windows operating system for many blind people. Long live NVDA!

Bye for now!

From Clare



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: dimanche 3 février 2019 07:32
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



As far as I could tell, all of the people concerned were on Windows 10, not XP.



I know I'll have to shift away from 7 eventually, but hopefully not any time this year. I will when I must, but as long as the next release of NVDA will work on my Win 7 system, I'll be content.

On 3/02/2019 4:33 pm, Ron Canazzi wrote:

Those rumors were probably from who have a Windows 10 phobia. Now there are performance issues with people trying to run the latest version of NVDA on Windows XP or earlier. That is flatly stated on this and other NVDA lists and websites.



Folks, you have to move on past XP and eventually even Windows 7. I am very conservative when it comes to changing a system that works well. I had an XP system at least one of the 3 systems I own until early 2018, but I now have 2 Windows 10 systems playing perfectly with NVDA and I feel a bit better than with JAWS latest release. I still don't like JAWS identifying the Windows Explorer windows as multi select list boxes and reading every item in the displayed columns. Even with the updated scripts for Thunderbird, JAWS still seems sluggish and clunky when compared to NVDA in that program.



So there you have it--just my 2 cents.



On 2/2/2019 10:36 PM, Sharni-Lee Ward wrote:

It wasn't on an NVDA skype group, just a misc one for someone's live streams where all sorts of topics come up. There were some complaints about performance issues a couple days ago, and that was where the sentiments I related were mentioned. It upset me quite a bit to hear such things...

On 3/02/2019 1:42 pm, Lino Morales wrote:

I don’t know where the hell you heard that on the Skype group. Are you on the Skype English group? I’ve not seen any such messages about NVDA going down hill since James left. Mike, Quenton, and Rafe Turner are doing a fine job down under along with the devs who are part of the NVDA add-ons community.



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> on behalf of Sharni-Lee Ward <sharni-lee.ward@hotmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 2, 2019 8:41:06 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Is NVDA really dying? Can I do anything to help?



Hi,


I haven't updated NVDA since 2018.1 due to issues that seemed to crop up
around every release. Now I'm hearing from others in a Skype group I'm a
member of that NVDA has been going downhill since Jamie left the project
and it's going to die outright soon because it can't keep up with
competition.


NVDA has been my screen-reader of choice since I discovered it in late
2011 and I don't want it to be forever lost. I can't donate right now,
and I'm not a programmer, but is there anything I can do to help? This
project has been a faithful friend to me and I want to fight for it in
any way I possibly can.


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Re: A weird one!

Roger Stewart
 

Good idea, but not the problem here. I'm using a hard wired keyboard. Anyhow, it didn't happen this morning and probably won't happen again until I win the Power Ball! :-)
Roger

On 2/6/2019 3:51 AM, Shaun Everiss wrote:
I have had windows do things with wireless keyboard.

If its doing that a lot, then its probably your keyboard.

It could be dirty but most like you have a dieing battery.

Make sure you keep a spare wired keyboard and lots of power cells about.

I have had users that have run out of batteries, have noticed things getting unstable, but never bothered about them, or added it to a todo list and forgot.

So they need to get another computer and go out to the store to get a battery.

Its like printer ink, actually buy your drums and ink before you run oout of them.



On 6/02/2019 7:18 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
It thinks you have pressed a combination of keys. I've definitely seen this in Windows 7. It seems quite random and I suspect its a windows issue myself. It is very rare but can for example appear if something is taking longer than normal to boot up I found.
If anyone has any idea let us know Often looking at the nvda log shos that several keys are pressed when only one or two are really pressed.
 I'm almost sure this goes back a very long way and had a ticket but nobody could get it to happen to order. I found often in my case it was windows and control.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Stewart" <paganus2@gmail.com>
To: "NVDA List" <nvda@groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 3:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] A weird one!


When I started my computer this morning I went to read my email and every key I pressed nvda kept saying "not in a table cell". I have no idea what that was about. I tried nvda key plus q to quit or restart nvda and it kept saying the same silly thing about table cells. Fortunately I have the Spydec P-View utility and I was able to find nvda.exe in the list of running apps and I was able to kill it from there. After I restarted nvda, everything was normal again! This is the first time I've ever had this happen in several years of using nvda. It was probably a one in a million glitch of some kind, but I'll watch and see if it ever happens again but I doubt it will. Any ideas on what might have happened? Just curious as I don't think this is a bug.

Roger









Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Gene
 

I don't know what accounts for the different reports, but if the subject line is read redundantly, you can stop this behavior in e-mail programs by opening the message and then executing the read to end command. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

No.  When I open  your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject line.  Yes, I am using outlook 2013.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.

NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.

It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.

JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.

This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings.  There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.

All the best

Steve

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Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many  still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable  email and newsgroup  program and chose to use the awfully
limited  windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


> Hi,
>
> In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
> gives it the advantage.
>
> You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
> Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
> OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
> then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
> modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
> interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
> stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
> since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
> given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
> I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
> loaded in windows 7.
> Brian
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
> Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
>> say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
>> responsive for me now than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
>> Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
>> wouldn't speak any of that window.  I realise it was limited to a few
>> configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time.  I also realise
>> that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
>> problems with NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
>> yet,
>
>> I
>> think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.
>>
>>
>>
>> But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA.  For example,
>> it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
>> Control+Y in Outlook.  This is seriously annoying to me and one
>> reason I couldn't use it full time.  It is visually there, and JAWS
>> reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
>> You can't just do a screen find, and click on it.  We really need an
>> equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
>> screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
>> polish than NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Extra stuff announced

Gene
 

What sort of extra words?  You may be able to change this in NVDA but it may be a change in Windows such as from details to list. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 9:04 AM
Subject: [nvda] Extra stuff announced

GM all,


When I'm looking at a list of files in a folder, as I go down the list,
NVDA interjects extra words in addition to what's on the line.  These
must be column headers or something?  Someone told me, a long time ago,
where in NVDA I can go to turn that off. Very sorry I didn't save that
note or write it down somewhere. Could someone please tell me again? 
I'll save it this time.


Thank you.


Howard




Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

 

Hi,
Ah, found a possible cause: some parts of the message window is recognized
as a dialog, hence explaining why you may hear header info as that's what
accessibility API's will return as description text. The thing is, the
"descriptor" for this dialog (window class name, MSAA info, etc.) is the
kind used for generic dialogs, so there may not be an easy fix (isolating
the dialog that shows up when you open a message, and telling NVDA that this
is not really a dialog).
I may need to test it with stable releases to find out if a future NVDA
release fixed it.
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:10 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Yes, it reads the subject and the body when you open it.

If however, you turn off object descriptions, it won't read the subject when
you go into the message.

I have had to create an Outlook profile just to do that.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi.
NVDA also reads the message body on my machine. However it reads the subject
when I click on the message but then it reads the message body. I'm using
outlook 2016.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 8:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.

NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.

It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.

JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.

This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully
limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi,

In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
gives it the advantage.

You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
loaded in windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi all,



With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
responsive for me now than JAWS.



Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
wouldn't speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few
configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise
that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
problems with NVDA.



In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
yet,
I
think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.



But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example,
it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one
reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS
reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.



Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an
equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.



I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
polish than NVDA.



Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.



All the best


Steve



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Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Hi Joseph,

That surprises me. As I say, unless you have object descriptions turned
off, you will hear the subject again, when you enter the message.

No big deal, it just takes longer, and makes JAWS more efficient <Smile>.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Joseph Lee
Sent: 06 February 2019 14:45
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,
The ability to search for NVDA settings is something NVDA developers would
like to see, too.
As for Outlook message headers, I don't hear other header info spoken in
Office 365 (February 2019 release).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 4:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.

NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.

It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.

JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.

This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully
limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi,

In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
gives it the advantage.

You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
loaded in windows 7.
Brian

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From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi all,



With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
responsive for me now than JAWS.



Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
wouldn't speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few
configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise
that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
problems with NVDA.



In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
yet,
I
think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.



But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example,
it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one
reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS
reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.



Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an
equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.



I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
polish than NVDA.



Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.



All the best


Steve



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Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

 

Hi,
Steve is correct: NVDA Will indeed read the subject line because it is the
title of the temporary document that opens (technical: focus event).
Cheers,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Steve Nutt
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:09 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.

NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.

It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.

JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.

This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.

All the best

Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
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Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully
limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi,

In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
gives it the advantage.

You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.

All the best

Steve

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
loaded in windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi all,



With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
responsive for me now than JAWS.



Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
wouldn't speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few
configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise
that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
problems with NVDA.



In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
yet,
I
think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.



But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example,
it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one
reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS
reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.



Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an
equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.



I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
polish than NVDA.



Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.



All the best


Steve



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Re: video editting

Chantelle Buys
 

Hi Andrew.

Well, I'm a YouTuber and since Microsoft took Movie Maker out, I've
been left hanging.

I to am looking for someone to create an addon or something to use
with Plotagon which is a fun program to play with. A program that
brings your thoughts to life.

Do you have a Movie Maker file?

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle


We will have to ask the NVDA developers.  I'm even prepared to pay to
get a video editor made!


Andrew


On 06/02/2019 14:55, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

I've found an old Movie Maker file and so, I'm using Movie Maker again.

Only problem now is that I also have to convert some of my video files
with Handbrake which sometimes also doesn't help much.

I to am wondering if there's any video editor that would work with NVDA?

Microsoft aren't really helping either.

Chantelle

On 2/6/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Is it even possible to edit a video with NVDA?  Has anyone tried any
applications?  AVS Video Editor does not work.


Andrew







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Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Yes, it reads the subject and the body when you open it.

If however, you turn off object descriptions, it won't read the subject when
you go into the message.

I have had to create an Outlook profile just to do that.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind
tech lover
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:07
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi.
NVDA also reads the message body on my machine. However it reads the subject
when I click on the message but then it reads the message body. I'm using
outlook 2016.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 8:03 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.

NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.

It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.

JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.

This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully
limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi,

In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
gives it the advantage.

You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
loaded in windows 7.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@comproom.co.uk>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi all,



With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
responsive for me now than JAWS.



Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
wouldn't speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few
configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise
that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
problems with NVDA.



In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
yet,
I
think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.



But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example,
it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one
reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS
reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.



Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an
equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.



I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
polish than NVDA.



Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.



All the best


Steve



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