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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Brad Snyder
 

Correct again.

- Brad -




On Feb 6, 2019, at 20:37, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

Just played with something I hadn't ever done before when using WinKey+D.

If you use WinKey+D to go to the desktop, and do not open any additional windows while you're there, it toggles you right back to your former arrangement before having used it.

If, however, you open any new window or windows, those supplant the arrangement as far as the windows go, and hitting WinKey+D toggles back to the Desktop and those newly opened windows.

So WinKey+D is a toggle back to the windows arrangement prior to your having gone to the desktop if and only if you do not open any additional windows while on the desktop.  Since that's probably what any one of us is going to the desktop for most of the time falling back to point and click or ALT+TAB afterward actually makes sense.
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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Brad Snyder
 

Correct.

- Brad -




On Feb 6, 2019, at 20:30, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Gene wrote:
Windows d takes you to the desktop but doesn't minimize anything.
The two commands, visually and otherwise, have the same final outcome if the destination is the Desktop.  Either one presents the Desktop with no Windows open.  All are minimized to the taskbar.  The difference being that WinKey+D shifts the stacking order, bringing the Desktop to the front, while WinKey+M minimizes all open windows, leaving you on the desktop.

You are absolutely correct that WinKey+D is a toggle, where when on the Desktop will bring up every Window you had open in the precise stacked arrangement and physical location they were when you used the toggle to get to the Desktop.

I seldom see people use WinKey+D as a toggle even though it is.  The sighted tend to point and click on the taskbar to bring up various windows again and most of my blind and visually impaired clients go straight to ALT+TAB to find the window they wish to bring front and center.
 
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Re: Problems With NVDA

Quentin Christensen
 

Are you sure you are running NVDA 2018.4.1?  The COM registration fixing tool has been on the tools menu for a couple of versions now.

(You can find which version you are using by pressing NVDA+n, then H for the help menu, then A for about NVDA).

Otherwise, a copy of your log might help.  See https://github.com/nvaccess/nvda/wiki/LogFilesAndCrashDumps for information on the log, and email to info@...

Kind regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:49 PM Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:
Hello quinton. I'm sorry for spelling your name wrongly. I didn't find the registration fix under the tools menu.
All i found are view log speech view type and control manage ad on create portable copy and reload plugin. Regards.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Date: 07/02/2019 1:13 a.m. (GMT+01:00)
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

Where NVDA keeps reading "Unknown", the solution is to use the COM registration fixing tool:

1) Press NVDA+N to open the NVDA menu
2) Press T to open the tools menu
3) DOWN ARROW to "Run COM registration fixing tool"
4) Press ENTER, then ENTER again.

Let me know if that works (or doesn't).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:06 AM Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:
Hello:
I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading
documents off line, it is not slow.
This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have this
slow problems online with JAWS.  I use a demo copy of JAWS.
Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a
web browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet
explorer unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and
when I press the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing.  Some
times, when I am on a site, or trying to open a site, the screen
reader crashes, and disables the computer itself.  I just have to shut
it down, and then restart it all over again.
Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen reader?
I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
I have the latest update of the screen reader.
Hope to read a helpful response.
I am Ibrahim.





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Re: Stop saying Spelling Error

Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@...>
 

Thank you so much Quentin,
That worked perfectly.

Thanks.

Manoj

On 2/6/19, Quentin Christensen <quentin@...> wrote:
To stop NVDA reporting spelling errors can be adjusted on NVDA's document
formatting settings screen:

1) Press NVDA+control+d to open the settings to document formatting.
2) Press alt+r to toggle "Spelling errors".
3) Press ENTER to close the settings screen.

If you have NVDA set to save settings on exit, (the default setting) you
shouldn't need to do anything. If you have unchecked that option, press
NVDA+control+c to save your configuration so that spelling errors will not
be reported next time you use NVDA.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:38 PM Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@...>
wrote:

Friends,
Another small issue, whenever I type a word not there in the
dictionary, nvda says Spelling Error before reading the word. Can I
stop nvda from saying Spelling Error and just read the word?

Thanks.

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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Brad Snyder
 

This is incorrect.
Windows + M and Windows + D do the same thing.  Both minimize all windows and put focus on the desktop.  Only difference is that when Windows + D is repeated, focus is returned to the window that was in focus before executing the command the first time.

HTH

- Brad -




On Feb 6, 2019, at 19:57, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

Windows m moves you to the desktop and minimizes all windows.
 
Windows d takes you to the desktop but doesn't minimize anything.  I hadn't thought about this before, but the mnemonics make sense.  Windows m for minimize, and Windows d for desktop. 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 7:46 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Windows+M will minimize all the windows? Really?
I've always had the Windows+M as a way to access the desktop easily. Anyone can confirm this?

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 06/02/2019 22:38, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:

Hi


Windows + letter M is a windows command. It will minimize all windows that are open in front of you to the task bar.


Use the Windows key + letter D to jump to the desk top.


In some cases you might have to do it 2 times but in most cases only the once from any where on the desktop, task bar etc.


Gene nz


On 7/02/2019 12:03 PM, Manoj Govindraj wrote:
Hi,
For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus
M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda
and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I
click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure
I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this
issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj

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Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.



Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Brad Snyder
 

Confirmed. It's the same thing. When all the windows are minimized, focuses on the desktop.

- Brad -

On Feb 6, 2019, at 19:46, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21@...> wrote:

Windows+M will minimize all the windows? Really?
I've always had the Windows+M as a way to access the desktop easily. Anyone can confirm this?

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 06/02/2019 22:38, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:

Hi


Windows + letter M is a windows command. It will minimize all windows that are open in front of you to the task bar.


Use the Windows key + letter D to jump to the desk top.


In some cases you might have to do it 2 times but in most cases only the once from any where on the desktop, task bar etc.


Gene nz


On 7/02/2019 12:03 PM, Manoj Govindraj wrote:
Hi,
For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus
M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda
and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I
click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure
I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this
issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj

--
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.


NVDA and braille displays

Ivan pivac
 

Hi list members,

I have been using a BrailleConnect from Humanware using the Baum USB supervario deriver and NVDA for several years quite successfully.  With the new release of NVDA, the braille display for some reason has stopped working.

Previously, NVDA had the BrailleConnect as one of its braille displays.  In the latest release of NVDA, there is an automatic detection option under the Braille setting but it fails to detect my display.  I also have brltty as an option which, in the past, also drove the display but no longer.  When I choose the brltty option, I receive the error message that brltty cannot be installed.  Interestingly, even though the supervario USB driver from Baum has been installed, there is no mention of it under the Windows driver folder.  Despite the fact that the BrailleConnect appears under ports in the device manager in the control panel, I receive the message that no briver has been installed.  The braille display is set for USB not bluetooth and it is functioning as normal and I am using Windows 10 Pro.  I would appreciate receiving comments from list members as to what might be the problem.



Many thanks


Ivan

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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Brad Snyder
 

How about you try this. When your focus is on the Start button, you do the keyboard command Shift plus Tab and see if that moves your focus to the Desktop.

Just a thought. Hope it helps.

- Brad -

On Feb 6, 2019, at 19:31, Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@...> wrote:

Hi friends,
I tried all your suggestions but the problem still persists.
Interestingly, after I restart nvda, I see a back button that nvda
announces right next to the start button. As soon as I press that
button, the start window opens and I again lose access to the desktop.
Any thoughts?

Best,

Manoj

On 2/6/19, hurrikennyandopo ... <hurrikennyandopo@...> wrote:
Hi


Windows + letter M is a windows command. It will minimize all windows that
are open in front of you to the task bar.


Use the Windows key + letter D to jump to the desk top.


In some cases you might have to do it 2 times but in most cases only the
once from any where on the desktop, task bar etc.


Gene nz


On 7/02/2019 12:03 PM, Manoj Govindraj wrote:

Hi,
For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus
M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda
and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I
click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure
I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this
issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj



--
[Image NVDA certified expert]
Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material
at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net

Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK
sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their
computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you
please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries
(Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed
on the APNK network please visit the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use
NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link
http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda

To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library
network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following
links. Software available
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884 How to
start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers
https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/

To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link
https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the
official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have
sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.





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Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

Cristóbal
 

I use Excel, Word, am a heavy Outlook user (calendar, email and everything involved with office management). I need to do things like generate work orders, invoice for services provided, translate documents (maintaining formatting), virtual faxes, create PDFs, calendar scheduling and dispatching and so on.

Maybe Narrator will get there one day, but right now? No.

Different people have different needs. I as a business owner need robust screen reader support. Not just for farting around online.

So far, Jaws has met my needs. NVDA I’m sure is just a question of becoming more familiar with it. Narrator ... Wake me up after some more development. Again, it would be great if it gets there, but it’s not quite there yet.

Also, pro tip… less exclamation points.

Cristóbal

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 5:02 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

 

Wow!

In 1809, I am using Narrator to do the following tasks!

One: Do everything with MS Edge and Chrome!

Two: I do everything in the mail app with Narrator!

Three: I use Narrator with Waterfox to have it describe pictures on Facebook to me,

Four:

I use Narrator with the following Windows apps:

The news app, The twitter app, The weather app, The calculator, and more.

Narrator is so fast in Edge, that I have the best browsing experience.

In scan mode, I can use all of the navigation short cut keys that are in NVDA or JAWS.

Narrator works in Google Docs and Google Drive in MS Edge without a hitch.

This is just some of what I do with Narrator in Windows 1809, and with the latest insider build.

What you said about Narrator is completely untrue, and I can send you a video and you can hear what I do with Narrator with your own ears.

MS Edge and Narrator, is probably the best Internet experience I have.

Close to that, is Narrator in Chrome!

I am using Narrator more than JAWS now.

Take care, and please say what you have tried to do with Narrator without making a blanket statement like that without even knowing what you are talking about.

Read the Narrator guide, and if you have Windows 10 1809 build, you would not say what you did if you really tried to use Narrator.

David Moore

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: CristóbalOne:
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

 

Narrator while better than what it was, really still feels like an afterthought. I mean, Microsoft has had ample opportunity to really develop a screen reader. Be it when they partnered with Window Eyes for like 5 minutes or only until recently paying more attention to Narrator itself.

Not to mention the fact that if they wanted to, they could've bought Window Eyes outright or Vispero at any time for that matter.

Not really bashing MS even. More like I'll believe Narrator to be a viable screen reading option when it actually becomes one. Right now, outside of perhaps getting a machine up and running out of the box or maybe to try to get out of the odd situation where your main screen reader craps out on you, it's not much more than that.

Cristóbal

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria

Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 2:49 PM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

 

Maybe someday narrator will be a great screen reader. I too hope NVDA is around for many more years.

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H

Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:57 AM

To: nvda@nvda.groups.io

Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

 

You know that everything has a life span.  I hope NVDA still has a lot of years ahead of itself but maybe just maybe Narrator will become a great screen reader and there will be no need for NVDA or Jaws or any other screen reader.

Right now NVDA is my screen reader of choice with Jaws being my backup that I very seldom use.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Re: Problems With NVDA

 

My apologies. I should read more carefully. That is all. 😊

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:26 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but asking questions that have already been answered in the original post doesn't help anyone, it just adds unnecessary clutter to the list. Normally, I'd not say anything about this, but I've seen a rather large increase in this kind of behavior over the last couple months. It's almost like people are reading support scripts like when you call a help line, and the person on the other end of the line goes through their list of questions, regardless of what you told them when they answered the phone. Can we at least make an attempt to read messages before replying with questions that are already answered in the email to which we're replying? I think it would make everyone a lot happier.

On 2/6/2019 7:08 PM, Governor staten wrote:
What version of NVDA are you running? What Windows operating system are you running? That's enough to get us going.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim
Ajayi
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:07 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

Hello:
I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading documents off line, it is not slow.
This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have this slow problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS.
Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a web browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet explorer unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when I press the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some times, when I am on a site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and disables the computer itself. I just have to shut it down, and then restart it all over again.
Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen reader?
I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
I have the latest update of the screen reader.
Hope to read a helpful response.
I am Ibrahim.







Re: Problems With NVDA

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hello quinton. I'm sorry for spelling your name wrongly. I didn't find the registration fix under the tools menu.
All i found are view log speech view type and control manage ad on create portable copy and reload plugin. Regards.



Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.

-------- Original message --------
From: Quentin Christensen <quentin@...>
Date: 07/02/2019 1:13 a.m. (GMT+01:00)
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Cc: nvda@groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

Where NVDA keeps reading "Unknown", the solution is to use the COM registration fixing tool:

1) Press NVDA+N to open the NVDA menu
2) Press T to open the tools menu
3) DOWN ARROW to "Run COM registration fixing tool"
4) Press ENTER, then ENTER again.

Let me know if that works (or doesn't).

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 11:06 AM Ibrahim Ajayi <kobisko@...> wrote:
Hello:
I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading
documents off line, it is not slow.
This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have this
slow problems online with JAWS.  I use a demo copy of JAWS.
Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a
web browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet
explorer unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and
when I press the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing.  Some
times, when I am on a site, or trying to open a site, the screen
reader crashes, and disables the computer itself.  I just have to shut
it down, and then restart it all over again.
Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen reader?
I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
I have the latest update of the screen reader.
Hope to read a helpful response.
I am Ibrahim.





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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Gene
 

How does a sighted mouse user return to the desktop?  Is the desktop, or an icon, always visible? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Just played with something I hadn't ever done before when using WinKey+D.

If you use WinKey+D to go to the desktop, and do not open any additional windows while you're there, it toggles you right back to your former arrangement before having used it.

If, however, you open any new window or windows, those supplant the arrangement as far as the windows go, and hitting WinKey+D toggles back to the Desktop and those newly opened windows.

So WinKey+D is a toggle back to the windows arrangement prior to your having gone to the desktop if and only if you do not open any additional windows while on the desktop.  Since that's probably what any one of us is going to the desktop for most of the time falling back to point and click or ALT+TAB afterward actually makes sense.
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Re: Stop saying Spelling Error

Quentin Christensen
 

To stop NVDA reporting spelling errors can be adjusted on NVDA's document formatting settings screen:

1) Press NVDA+control+d to open the settings to document formatting.
2) Press alt+r to toggle "Spelling errors".
3) Press ENTER to close the settings screen.

If you have NVDA set to save settings on exit, (the default setting) you shouldn't need to do anything.  If you have unchecked that option, press NVDA+control+c to save your configuration so that spelling errors will not be reported next time you use NVDA.

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:38 PM Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@...> wrote:
Friends,
Another small issue, whenever I type a word not there in the
dictionary, nvda says Spelling Error before reading the word. Can I
stop nvda from saying Spelling Error and just read the word?

Thanks.

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Re: A couple of questions

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Ashleigh,

I know we have many users who run NVDA on a Mac and use VMWare Fusion.  It's not something I'm really familiar with, so I will leave that question to those more adept with that setup.

For your second question, the settings screen certainly shouldn't be freezing like that.  I would be interested in a copy of your NVDA log to try and get to the bottom of it.

One thing to try is to restart NVDA with add-ons disabled.  Press NVDA+Q as if you were going to quit, then down arrow to "Restart with add-ons disabled" and press ENTER.  See if the settings screen behaves normally now.  If it does, you likely have an add-on that either needs updating to a newer version (there is an add-on updater add-on to help with this) or which is otherwise misbehaving.


Email to me at info@... (you can share to the list of you want, but if you do that, copy the contents into the body of the message, as you can't attach files when sending to the list).

Regards

Quentin.


On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 12:52 PM Ashleigh Malone via Groups.Io <ashleigh.malone=icloud.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hi All,

A couple of questions.

I’ve recently changed my work set-up to allow me to work remotely. I am primarily a Mac user, however am happily using  NVDA with VMware Fusion. My questions relate mainly to setting up Capslock as an NVDA modifier key and making VMWare and windows generally work together. I have read extensively about this but am not having much joy. I feel sure this has been discussed extensively on this list and will do my own searching, but if anyone could post links to pertinent threads I’d be grateful.

My second issue is more confusing. I have a portable copy of NVDA that I have recently installed  natively on my windows machine. I am having a great deal of trouble changing the layout from desktop to laptop, or modifying any of the other settings eg. Level of punctuation etc. I can successfully change settings using keyboard commands, however whilst in the preferences dialogue both the apply and okay buttons just hang and my only option is to esc the settings dialogue completely. I find it odd that it will honour actions achieved using keyboard commands but not in the settings dialogue itself. Any assistance greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Ashleigh




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Stop saying Spelling Error

Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@...>
 

Friends,
Another small issue, whenever I type a word not there in the
dictionary, nvda says Spelling Error before reading the word. Can I
stop nvda from saying Spelling Error and just read the word?

Thanks.

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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

 

Just played with something I hadn't ever done before when using WinKey+D.

If you use WinKey+D to go to the desktop, and do not open any additional windows while you're there, it toggles you right back to your former arrangement before having used it.

If, however, you open any new window or windows, those supplant the arrangement as far as the windows go, and hitting WinKey+D toggles back to the Desktop and those newly opened windows.

So WinKey+D is a toggle back to the windows arrangement prior to your having gone to the desktop if and only if you do not open any additional windows while on the desktop.  Since that's probably what any one of us is going to the desktop for most of the time falling back to point and click or ALT+TAB afterward actually makes sense.
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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 08:57 PM, Gene wrote:
Windows d takes you to the desktop but doesn't minimize anything.
The two commands, visually and otherwise, have the same final outcome if the destination is the Desktop.  Either one presents the Desktop with no Windows open.  All are minimized to the taskbar.  The difference being that WinKey+D shifts the stacking order, bringing the Desktop to the front, while WinKey+M minimizes all open windows, leaving you on the desktop.

You are absolutely correct that WinKey+D is a toggle, where when on the Desktop will bring up every Window you had open in the precise stacked arrangement and physical location they were when you used the toggle to get to the Desktop.

I seldom see people use WinKey+D as a toggle even though it is.  The sighted tend to point and click on the taskbar to bring up various windows again and most of my blind and visually impaired clients go straight to ALT+TAB to find the window they wish to bring front and center.
 
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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@...>
 

Guys,
Problem solved. I just reset nvda to factory settings and now it is
working fine. Thanks for all your prompt help and valuable
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj

On 2/6/19, marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io> wrote:
Really, makes sense. I should have thought :)

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Em 06/02/2019 23:57, Gene escreveu:
Windows m moves you to the desktop and minimizes all windows.
Windows d takes you to the desktop but doesn't minimize anything. I
hadn't thought about this before, but the mnemonics make sense.
Windows m for minimize, and Windows d for desktop.
Gene
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*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Windows+M will minimize all the windows? Really?
I've always had the Windows+M as a way to access the desktop easily.
Anyone can confirm this?

Cheers,
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Em 06/02/2019 22:38, hurrikennyandopo ... escreveu:

Hi


Windows + letter M is a windows command. It will minimize all windows
that are open in front of you to the task bar.


Use the Windows key + letter D to jump to the desk top.


In some cases you might have to do it 2 times but in most cases only
the once from any where on the desktop, task bar etc.


Gene nz


On 7/02/2019 12:03 PM, Manoj Govindraj wrote:
Hi,
For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus
M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda
and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I
click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure
I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this
issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj
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Re: Problems With NVDA

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade here, but asking questions that have already been answered in the original post doesn't help anyone, it just adds unnecessary clutter to the list.  Normally, I'd not say anything about this, but I've seen a rather large increase in this kind of behavior over the last couple months.  It's almost like people are reading support scripts like when you call a help line, and the person on the other end of the line goes through their list of questions, regardless of what you told them when they answered the phone. Can we at least make an attempt to read messages before replying with questions that are already answered in the email to which we're replying? I think it would make everyone a lot happier.

On 2/6/2019 7:08 PM, Governor staten wrote:
What version of NVDA are you running? What Windows operating system are you running? That's enough to get us going.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 7:07 PM
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

Hello:
I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading documents off line, it is not slow.
This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have this slow problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS.
Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a web browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet explorer unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when I press the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some times, when I am on a site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and disables the computer itself. I just have to shut it down, and then restart it all over again.
Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen reader?
I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
I have the latest update of the screen reader.
Hope to read a helpful response.
I am Ibrahim.






Re: python

Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...>
 

You are correct.  Interpreted languages do indeed run slower than purely compiled languages.  However, python (like java) uses a virtual machine to run their code.  This gives them (almost) the speed of compiled languages,  while offering the developer a time savings/convenience of not needing to compile the code.  The python interpreter does that for you the first time you run a piece of python code.  It's also possible to save this compiled version so that the next time you run the code, it can skip the compile step, and just run the virtualized byte code, which saves time as well.

It's an attempt to have the best of both worlds, the compiled speed, and the interpreter ease of use, and interestingly enough, although I'm not a big fan of python, I do have to admit, that for the most part, it succeeds admirably at this task.

On 2/6/2019 8:28 PM, MAX wrote:

Thank you.  That’s interesting.  I have always been told that interpretive languages run more slowly than compiled ones.  Does python have some special feature that makes it fast?

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] python

 

No, python is an interpreted language, no compiler required.  If you have the python program, that's all you need. 

The IDE merely provides an integrated method of writing, running and editing your code, there's o real benefit to using an IDE over using a command-line stand-alone version of python other than convenience.

On 2/6/2019 4:16 PM, MAX wrote:

But don’t you need a compiler?

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Travis Siegel
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 12:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] python

 

You don't need to download anaconda, that's just the build environment they suggest.  I didn't use it, I just used the python 2.73 program, as that's the one I had at the time.  I would guess python 3.0 would probably work too, but I've not tried it with their course.  You don't need a special ide for using python, just a plain old text editor like notepad will work just fine.

On 2/5/2019 4:24 PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:



hi travis

thanks man

i tried once with edx and i had to download anaconda, which is not accessible

 

 

could you email me privately?

 

email is

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, February 5, 2019 9:05 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] python

 

As far as I know, (and I did take a couple of their courses), the EDX courses are completely accessible.  The courses I've taken didn't have any images showing data you needed to answer a question, so that's a good thing.  The discussions can get a bit heated, but that's normal, no matter what class you're in.  But, specifically the intro to python course is accessible, I know for sure, because I took that one, along with some others, like cell phone technology, and css creation.  (I still don't have a handle on css, but ...)

On 2/4/2019 9:45 PM, hurrikennyandopo ... wrote:

Hi

 

Sorry i can not help you there about any of the book or courses it was a list from other users that they have used or been pointed to.

 

But i do see the same sort of question asked  periodically about books etc so people can either help out or maybe learn to do a add on etc.

 

if i come across where some of these links are I plan sooner or later to add them to a page.

 

Gene nz

 

Gene nz

.

On 5/02/2019 2:23 PM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

the intro to python from edx, is it accessible?

thanks allot

 

kerryn

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Subject: Re: [nvda] python

 

Hi

 

A few people on the list gave books etc you can learn from. Some are free and some are paid.

 

I put them into a doc file just in case people wanted it.

 

They are below if i come across others I will add to the list.

 

 

 

Learning Python books and courses

 

 

 

 

 

Learn python the hard way https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

A python hands on tutorial http://anh.cs.luc.edu/python/hands-on/3.1/handsonHtml/index.html

 

Python for Everybody: Exploring Data Using Python 3 https://open.umn.edu/opentextbooks/textbooks/336

 

 

And some online courses,

 

These are free, but if you want a certificate of completion, you can pay for it if you pass the course.

 

 

Introduction to Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-for-data-science

 

Python for data science https://www.edx.org/course/python-for-data-science-1

 

Introduction to Python: Absolute Beginner https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-absolute-beginner-2

 

Introduction to Python: Fundamentals https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-fundamentals-2

 

Principles of Machine Learning: Python Edition https://www.edx.org/course/principles-of-machine-learning-python-edition

 

Computing in Python I: Fundamentals and Procedural Programming https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-i-fundamentals-and-procedural-programming-2

 

Computing in Python II: Control Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-ii-control-structures-2

 

Computing in Python III: Data Structures https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iii-data-structures-2

 

Computing in Python IV: Objects & Algorithms https://www.edx.org/course/computing-in-python-iv-objects-algorithms-2

 

Visualizing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-visualization-with-python

 

Advanced Algorithmics and Graph Theory with Python https://www.edx.org/course/advanced-algorithmics-and-graph-theory-with-python

 

Analyzing Data with Python https://www.edx.org/course/data-analysis-with-python

 

Deep Learning with Python and PyTorch https://www.edx.org/course/deep-learning-with-python-and-pytorch

 

Python Basics for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/python-basics-for-data-science

 

Machine Learning with Python: A Practical Introduction https://www.edx.org/course/machine-learning-with-python-for-edx

 

Using Python for Research https://www.edx.org/course/using-python-for-research

 

Introduction to Python: Creating Scalable, Robust, Interactive Code https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-python-creating-scalable-robust-interactive-code

 

Programming with Python for Data Science https://www.edx.org/course/programming-with-python-for-data-science

 

Introduction to Programming Using Python https://www.edx.org/course/introduction-to-programming-using-python

 

CS For All: Introduction to Computer Science and Python Programming https://www.edx.org/course/cs-all-introduction-computer-science-harveymuddx-cs005x-0

 

 

These are all pay courses, but if you are careful, you can buy bundles that have multiple courses in them.

 

 

Stone river elearning has 32 python courses at: https://stoneriverelearning.com/courses/category/Python

 

 

skillwise has several python courses, some of which are listed below.

 

Python Programming Bootcamp 2.0 https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-programming-bootcamp-2-2

 

Python 3 Bootcamp Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-bootcamp-2017-python-3

 

Machine Learning with Python Course and E-Book Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-machine-learning-online-course-and-book-bundle

 

Deep Learning: Convolutional Neural Networks in Python https://www.skillwise.com/sales/deep-learning-convolutional-neural-networks-in-python

 

The Python Power Coder BONUS Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/the-python-power-coder-bonus-bundle

 

Become a Professional Python Programmer https://www.skillwise.com/sales/become-a-professional-python-programmer

 

Python Tutorial: Python 100% Hands-On - Learn by Coding https://www.skillwise.com/sales/python-tutorial-python-100-hands-on-learn-by-coding

 

Pay What You Want: The Python Master Class Bundle https://www.skillwise.com/sales/pwyw-the-python-master-class-bundle

 

 

And, finally, educba.com also has python courses such as:

 

Become a Python Developer

 

Artificial Intelligence with python

python 3.5 Training

The Ultimate python Programming - Novice to Ninja

Practical Projects of python Programming

python:01 - python Fundamentals

Data Science with python

python for Beginners

Machine Learning using python

 

Now, I know the educba classes are expensive if bought separately, but if you hang out on stacksocial.com or even skillwise.com ( at times) you can purchase whole groups of training all at once.  I got a deal for all of stone river Elearning for $59, then for $99 I got the whole collection of educba classes.  (the next day, I saw it for $49) *grumble*), so if you're patient, and if you really want to learn, there's no reason why you can't learn anything you like.  This is just talking about python classes and books, but this works for just about any topic.

 

stackskills.com also has several python courses, and I got access to 1100 plus courses (all it/technology related for $19 again, from stacksocial.com

 

 

 

https://learnpythonthehardway.org/book/

 

 

Here's A Byte of Python.

 

 

https://python.swaroopch.com/

 

 

Here's Think Python.

 

 

http://www.greenteapress.com/thinkpython/html/index.html

 

 

Here's one on programming games.

 

 

http://inventwithpython.com/

 

 

Finally, here's a link somebody posted a while back to stuff Joseph

wrote up.

 

 

 

On 5/02/2019 9:31 AM, Kerryn Gunness via Groups.Io wrote:

hi group
do you have any tutorial or book on absolute basic course on python for beginners?
thanks

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Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetworkinfo/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetworkinfo/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.

--

Check out my website for NVDA tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net
 
Regardless of where you are in New Zealand if you are near one of the APNK sites you can use a copy of the NVDA screen reader on one of their computers. To find out which location (or locations) are nearest to you please visit http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.org/content/partner-libraries (Aotearoa People's Network Kaharoa). To find out which software is installed on the APNK network please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/software To find out how to use NVDA on APNK computers please visit the following link http://www.aotearoapeoplesnetwork.info/faq/nvda
 
To find out which software is available on the Christchurch City Library network, and how to start the NVDA screen reader, please go to the following links. Software available  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faq/computers/#faq_5884  How to start the NVDA screen reader on Christchurch City Library computers  https://my.christchurchcitylibraries.com/faqs/what-screen-reader-software-is-available/
 
To find an NVDA certified expert near you, please visit the following link https://certification.nvaccess.org/. The certification page contains the official list of NVDA certified individuals from around the world, who have sat and successfully passed the NVDA expert exam.