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Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

Tyler Spivey
 

NVDA can't do what you want natively, but my addon can.
Here's the link again, this time with the readme. I haven't got it put on the addons site yet because I didn't think it was all that useful, but maybe it is. Let me know how it breaks and I'll try to fix it.

# Partial Lines

This addon has several operations dealing with lines:
* NVDA+shift+delete changes the up/down arrows to read from the start of the line to the cursor, from the cursor to the end of the line, or the entire line.
* NVDA+shift+page up reads from the start of the line to the cursor
* NVDA+shift+page down reads from the cursor to the end of the line.

https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partialLines-0.1.nvda-addon

On 2/7/2019 7:22 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
Yes, it is!
Rkobert
-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Steve Nutt
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
I thought NVDA+Down was read all.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.
Molly
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi, everyone,
This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?
I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!
Thanks a lot,
Robert


Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

Robert Geoffroy
 

Yes, it is!

Rkobert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Steve Nutt
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

I thought NVDA+Down was read all.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert


Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

Steve Nutt
 

I thought NVDA+Down was read all.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert


Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Steve Nutt
 

Too many keystrokes.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 07 February 2019 12:53
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

 

You can cause JAWS to read the message body and not read all that extraneous information by getting in the habit of issuing read to end after opening a message.  You may have to experiment to see if you have to wait at all before issuing the command.  If you get in the habit of doing this, it becomes automatic and you can do this very quickly.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 5:33 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

 

Hi
I have Outlook 2007 and after pressing enter on a message in the folder
list, NVDA reads the text in the subject box not the whole line, then it
announces the message format, then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message
document, multi-line", then it reads the first line of the message body.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: 6 February 2019 15:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

No.  When I open  your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject line.  Yes, I am using outlook 2013.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.

NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.

It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.

JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.

This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings.  There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many  still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable  email and newsgroup  program and chose to use the awfully
limited  windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
 Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


> Hi,
>
> In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
> gives it the advantage.
>
> You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
> Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
> OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
> then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
> modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
> interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
> stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
> since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
> given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
> I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
> loaded in windows 7.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
> Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
>> say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
>> responsive for me now than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
>> Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
>> wouldn't speak any of that window.  I realise it was limited to a few
>> configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time.  I also realise
>> that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
>> problems with NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
>> yet,
>
>> I
>> think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.
>>
>>
>>
>> But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA.  For example,
>> it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
>> Control+Y in Outlook.  This is seriously annoying to me and one
>> reason I couldn't use it full time.  It is visually there, and JAWS
>> reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
>> You can't just do a screen find, and click on it.  We really need an
>> equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
>> screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
>> polish than NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

Steve Nutt
 

Since Windows D always works, that’s my advice.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 07 February 2019 12:33
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

 

I doubt one is more reliable than the other.  At times, in later versions of Windows, I have to execute Windows m more than once to go to the desktop but it isn't worth the trouble of changing from the now automatic use of Windows m when, if I issue the command twice, that usually works if once doesn't. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Steve Nutt

Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 2:33 AM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

 

Or you could use Windows D, which is more reliable.  M just means Minimise everything, whereas D takes you to the Desktop.

 

All the best


Steve

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Michael Munn
Sent: 06 February 2019 23:16
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Windows key plus M suddenly stopped working

 

hi there, follow up this thread. Sometime I experience this issue also. I  would restart the Screen reader and turning it back on. or do a full restart of your machine.

Thanks 

Best Regards 

Michael Munn 

Michael Munn

Member: Virginia Association of Blind students

 National Federation of the Blind of   Virginia   www.nfbv.org

Member: Maryland Association of Blind Students

National Federation of the Blind of  Maryland www.nfbmd.org

Students of: Hadley Institute of the Blind

 

 

 

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 6:03 PM Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@...> wrote:

Hi,
For some reason from last few hours, the nvda command windows key plus
M to go to the desktop has stopped working for me. When I quit nvda
and restart it again, I am able to go to the desktop. But as soon as I
click on start button, I am not able to access the desktop. I am sure
I have accidently disabled some command which is why I am facing this
issue. I use a laptop with windows 10. Would wait for your
suggestions.

Best,

Manoj

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http://www.swar-ras.com


Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

Robert Geoffroy
 

Yes, and it's not what I ask for! With Jaws, insert+7 enable you to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 to read the same line but just after the cursor. Does NVDA enable to do the same?

I need this when working documents with MsWord.

Thanks,

Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Gene
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:43
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

NVDA up arrow reads the current line. NVDA down arrow is the read to end command, which reads from your current position to the end of the document.

Gene
----- Original Message -----
From: molly the blind tech lover <mailto:brainardmolly@...>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Sorry.
Use NVDA plus up arrow. Then NVDA plus down arrow.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

No problem to read the current line. I often just need reading the line before and/or after the cursor. For instance, with Jaws, insert+7 enable to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 the line after the cursor ! I'd like to do the same with NVDA.

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de molly the blind tech lover Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:00 À : nvda@nvda.groups.io Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert


Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

Jacob Kruger
 

Molly, on an off-list, side note, some of us use desktop/full qwerty
keyboards even when working with laptops - my largish hands wouldn't
really be compatible with a compact laptop keyboard, but anyway...<smile>


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
Blind Biker
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-07 4:31 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
Hey guys.
My apologies. I'm so used to laptops that I forget desktop machines still exist. From what I gather, the NVDA commands are different in desktop layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

If in object navigation/default mode, just hit numpad 7 and 9, without the insert key - in the documentation/command quick reference, it says something along the lines of numpad 7 = Moves the review cursor to the previous line of the current navigator object and speaks it, and, numpad
9 = Moves the review cursor to the next line of the current navigator object and speaks it.


The wording in the documentation might be slightly different since I just extracted those form the input help - also NVDA key + number row 1 to toggle that on/off, but anyway.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
082 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."
On 2019-02-07 4:12 PM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
No problem to read the current line. I often just need reading the line before and/or after the cursor. For instance, with Jaws, insert+7 enable to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 the line after the cursor ! I'd like to do the same with NVDA.

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de
molly the blind tech lover Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:00 À :
nvda@nvda.groups.io Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's
line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert
Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert
















Re: Windows Movie Maker

AKH AKH
 

Hi Chantelle


Great advice, thanks.  My next challenge is to take out a few seconds of
video clip from the middle of a longer video.  It seems that people who
can see set some kind of marker at the start and end of the section they
want to cut out.  I have tried using trim, but this cuts the video
before and after the bit I want to cut and when I press cut command from
the edit menu I am left with only the bit I do not want and the video
parts I do want is deleted.


Andrew

On 07/02/2019 12:47, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

In movie maker you have to go to video tools and tab until you get to
speed. There you can speed up the video. I've tested it and it does
work there.

Chantelle

On 2/7/19, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@...> wrote:
Hi.

Movie maker doesn't work as it use to but, wow, I've forgotten about
that effect.

Let me try to speed up a video I have and see if mine works?

Chantelle

On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@...> wrote:
I'm using NVDA and Windows 10 and I'm trying to apply an effect to my
video.  How can I do this with keyboard commands.  I get to the effects
list and choose 'speed up video' but I can't get it to work.


Andrew





--
Never give up, at any cost.


Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

Tyler Spivey
 

Then you want my addon.
It's not on the addon site, but should do what you want.

https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partialLines-0.1.nvda-addon

On 2/7/2019 6:12 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
No problem to read the current line. I often just need reading the line before and/or after the cursor. For instance, with Jaws, insert+7 enable to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 the line after the cursor ! I'd like to do the same with NVDA.
Thanks,
Robert
-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de molly the blind tech lover
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:00
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.
Molly
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi, everyone,
This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?
I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!
Thanks a lot,
Robert


Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

Gene
 

NVDA up arrow reads the current line.  NVDA down arrow is the read to end command, which reads from your current position to the end of the document.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Sorry.
Use NVDA plus up arrow. Then NVDA plus down arrow.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

No problem to read the current line. I often just need reading the line before and/or after the cursor. For instance, with Jaws, insert+7 enable to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 the line after the cursor ! I'd like to do the same with NVDA.

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de molly the blind tech lover Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:00 À : nvda@nvda.groups.io Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert















Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Monte Single
 

0Hi Molly,

You have Outlook 2016; you do not need Outlook 2019.
Lots of people are still using outlook 2010.
The only way to get Outlook 2019 is to buy it.
Spend your money on something you need. Or really want; you know, food,
clothes, shoes

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly
the blind tech lover
Sent: February-07-19 5:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi.
I have outlook 2016. How do I get outlook 2019?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 6:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi
I have Outlook 2007 and after pressing enter on a message in the folder
list, NVDA reads the text in the subject box not the whole line, then it
announces the message format, then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message
document, multi-line", then it reads the first line of the message body.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: 6 February 2019 15:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.

NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.

It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.

JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.

This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully
limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi,

In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
gives it the advantage.

You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.

All the best

Steve

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OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
loaded in windows 7.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi all,



With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
responsive for me now than JAWS.



Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
wouldn't speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few
configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise
that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
problems with NVDA.



In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
yet,
I
think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.



But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example,
it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one
reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS
reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.



Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an
equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.



I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
polish than NVDA.



Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.



All the best


Steve



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Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hey guys.
My apologies. I'm so used to laptops that I forget desktop machines still exist. From what I gather, the NVDA commands are different in desktop layout.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jacob Kruger
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:22 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

If in object navigation/default mode, just hit numpad 7 and 9, without the insert key - in the documentation/command quick reference, it says something along the lines of numpad 7 = Moves the review cursor to the previous line of the current navigator object and speaks it, and, numpad
9 = Moves the review cursor to the next line of the current navigator object and speaks it.


The wording in the documentation might be slightly different since I just extracted those form the input help - also NVDA key + number row 1 to toggle that on/off, but anyway.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
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Skype: BlindZA
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On 2019-02-07 4:12 PM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
No problem to read the current line. I often just need reading the line before and/or after the cursor. For instance, with Jaws, insert+7 enable to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 the line after the cursor ! I'd like to do the same with NVDA.

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de
molly the blind tech lover Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:00 À :
nvda@nvda.groups.io Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's
line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert
Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert












Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

molly the blind tech lover
 

Sorry.
Use NVDA plus up arrow. Then NVDA plus down arrow.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:12 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

No problem to read the current line. I often just need reading the line before and/or after the cursor. For instance, with Jaws, insert+7 enable to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 the line after the cursor ! I'd like to do the same with NVDA.

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de molly the blind tech lover Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:00 À : nvda@nvda.groups.io Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert


Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

Jacob Kruger
 

If in object navigation/default mode, just hit numpad 7 and 9, without
the insert key - in the documentation/command quick reference, it says
something along the lines of numpad 7 = Moves the review cursor to the
previous line of the current navigator object and speaks it, and, numpad
9 = Moves the review cursor to the next line of the current navigator
object and speaks it.


The wording in the documentation might be slightly different since I
just extracted those form the input help - also NVDA key + number row 1
to toggle that on/off, but anyway.


Stay well


Jacob Kruger
082 413 4791
Skype: BlindZA
"Resistance is futile...but, acceptance is versatile..."

On 2019-02-07 4:12 PM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
No problem to read the current line. I often just need reading the line before and/or after the cursor. For instance, with Jaws, insert+7 enable to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 the line after the cursor ! I'd like to do the same with NVDA.

Thanks,

Robert


-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de molly the blind tech lover
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:00
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert











Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

Gene
 

Those are laptop layout commands.  You need to specify the keyboard layout you are referencing. 
 
Using the desktop layout, the default, read the current line is NVDA up arrow.  Read the current line of the current object when you are in object navigation mode, the default, is numpad 8. 
Read the current word, numpad 5.
Read the current character is numpad 2.
Read the previous line is numpad 7.  The previous word is numpad 4.  The previous character is numpad 1.
The next line is numpad 9.  Next Word is numpad 6, next character is numpad 3.  Note the patterns.  The larger numbers read the larger units and the left keys read previous, middle keys read current and keys to the right read next.
 
For example, read previous line is numpad 7.  Read current is numpad 8.  Read next is numpad 9.  The cursor isn't moved by any of these commands.
 
That answers what you asked but you need to know how to get to documentation in NVDA.  Use the command NVDA key n.  You are in the NVDA menu.  I haven't used newer NVDA versions but if you type h, you will probably be in the help submenu. 
You are on the user guide option.  Press enter and it will open in your browser.
Following the same procedure, after you type h, down arrow and look for the quick keys reference.  Press enter and it will open in the default browser.
 
The guide and the reference are both web pages.  If you book mark them as you would any other web page, you can open them more conveniently.  You can also read them with other screen-readers if you aren't comfortable with NVDA yet.
 
Gene
----- Original Message From: molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 7:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert








Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

Robert Geoffroy
 

No problem to read the current line. I often just need reading the line before and/or after the cursor. For instance, with Jaws, insert+7 enable to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 the line after the cursor ! I'd like to do the same with NVDA.

Thanks,

Robert

-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de molly the blind tech lover
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:00
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert


Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert


Reading parts of the cursor's line

Robert Geoffroy
 

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert


Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Gene
 

You can cause JAWS to read the message body and not read all that extraneous information by getting in the habit of issuing read to end after opening a message.  You may have to experiment to see if you have to wait at all before issuing the command.  If you get in the habit of doing this, it becomes automatic and you can do this very quickly.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi
I have Outlook 2007 and after pressing enter on a message in the folder
list, NVDA reads the text in the subject box not the whole line, then it
announces the message format, then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message
document, multi-line", then it reads the first line of the message body.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: 6 February 2019 15:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

No.  When I open  your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject line.  Yes, I am using outlook 2013.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.

NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.

It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.

JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.

This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings.  There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.

All the best

Steve

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Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many  still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable  email and newsgroup  program and chose to use the awfully
limited  windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
 Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


> Hi,
>
> In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
> gives it the advantage.
>
> You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
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> Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
> OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
> then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
> modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
> interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
> stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
> since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
> given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
> I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
> loaded in windows 7.
> Brian
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> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
> Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
>> say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
>> responsive for me now than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
>> Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
>> wouldn't speak any of that window.  I realise it was limited to a few
>> configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time.  I also realise
>> that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
>> problems with NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
>> yet,
>
>> I
>> think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.
>>
>>
>>
>> But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA.  For example,
>> it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
>> Control+Y in Outlook.  This is seriously annoying to me and one
>> reason I couldn't use it full time.  It is visually there, and JAWS
>> reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
>> You can't just do a screen find, and click on it.  We really need an
>> equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
>> screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
>> polish than NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
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Re: Windows Movie Maker

Chantelle Buys
 

Hi.

In movie maker you have to go to video tools and tab until you get to
speed. There you can speed up the video. I've tested it and it does
work there.

Chantelle

On 2/7/19, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@...> wrote:
Hi.

Movie maker doesn't work as it use to but, wow, I've forgotten about
that effect.

Let me try to speed up a video I have and see if mine works?

Chantelle

On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@...> wrote:
I'm using NVDA and Windows 10 and I'm trying to apply an effect to my
video.  How can I do this with keyboard commands.  I get to the effects
list and choose 'speed up video' but I can't get it to work.


Andrew






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