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Re: NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox

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Sometimes it does sometimes not, but often what does occur on a very slow site is that focus does not end up in the page correctly, but just hitting alt then escape seems to wake this up.
As for slow downs, I've decided to staywith 46 of Firefox just now, due to some very oddball effects in the late releases.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Grossoehme" <dave@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox


Good Afternoon: How do you get Firefox to not speak busy when you go to a
web site?

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:06 AM, Brian's Mail list account <
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Yes I often find though that the biggest slowing is when programs are
booting in for the first time. This is indeed often due to the operating
system allocating resources in a clumsy way, which is why it appears to be
nvda doing it as its hooked in to many bits of software all the time.
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Fisher" <
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To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox


NVDA is not being unresponsive, your computer is. These types of
activities are certainly not recommended for older operating systems.
What's more? You are using an outdated version of NVDA.

On 6/8/16, nasrin khaksar <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

hi.
i tested your problem and took the same result.
i use windows xp not powerful hardware nvda 2015.3 and firefox 41.
when i open many apps together nvda becomes very slow, not responsive
and difficult to use.
it happens specially for example: when i am sending one file in the
skype and also opened many apps and many tab in my firefox browser.
in most cases, i quit nvda and open it again to resolve the issue.
also sometimes maybe you open a graphical website that makes your
system slow and its very hevy to load.
hope thats help and god bless you.

On 6/8/16, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:

NVdA, if it slows down, doesn't slow down as you reported last year.
I've
never seen the kinds of slow downs you described last year attributed to
NVDA.

Gene


From: Sharni-Lee Ward
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 2:55 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox


I haven't noticed this so much with Firefox, but I have noticed this a
couple times over the last few days in the ordinary system. I don't have
heaps of RAM like the person who gave their specs, but I have had this
problem crop up every now and again over the years. Usually, I can
restart NVDA without having to restart the computer, but when it came to
my Braille Display, things would lock up to the point where I'd have to
restart the entire system, sometimes requiring sighted help to do so. If
this hasn't been just me, then all those scans I did last year to try
and make everything run faster weren't effective because it wasn't my
system's fault. It was NVDA not responding. That is, of course, if the
problems are more widespread than I first thought.


On 8/06/2016 5:08 PM, Mário Navarro wrote:



NVDA is not just slow in browsers, but also in the system.
after browsing for a while, it starts to get slow and I have to turn
off and on to get normal again.
and my pc is a good machine with I5 processor, 4 RAM ..
with jaws these occurrences do not happen.
I now use the jaws 17 full-time for these reasons.
jaws is not slow in any situation like this occurred with NVDA.

I only use 3 extras.
I do not need anything else.

NVDA is getting slower and every a new version.
this makes me worry.

I think the team of NVDA has to think about this with more seriously.

cheers.
Às 01:25 de 08/06/2016, Kwork escreveu:

Yes, but I've had this behavior in all three of the main browsers,
with both
NVDA and Jaws, so I just close and re-open Firefox, my main browser,
once in
a while, and only use the others when necessary.
Win 7, 64-bit.
Travis
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob" <captinlogic@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 9:03 AM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA-2016.2 Slows Down with Firefox


System: Windows 7, NVDA 2016.2, Firefox, any version.
This has always been an ongoing problem, but it seems to be more
prevalent
now.
If you have a number of tabs open in Firefox, NVDA will begin to slow
down
appreciably in the program. Responses to key presses are delayed and
using
the browser becomes problematic and inefficient. The only solution is
to
restart firefox.
In previous versions of NVDA, this decrease in responsivness took a
while to
manifest--sometimes I could work for a whole day and NVDA would not
slow
down until the next.
However, now it barely takes six to ten hours for this slowness to
occur.
The only way to reproduce this step is to to work in Firefox for a
while,
with a number of tabs open.
I do not know if this same slowness occurs in Internet Explorer,
Chrome or
Edge.
I would like to know if others have experienced this decrease in
performance, and what--if any--solutions are available to counteract
this
problem.






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Re: NVDA Issues.

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To be honest I don't understand what you are asking here. We need context in order to figure out what the issue is. Practical examples including software running version of windows etc.
I can only say that if you are a non admin user and are using a copy of nvda installed by another user who has not granted write status to you you are in effect stuck with the settings as they are or as you temporarily set them.
I do not understand the control f ref here as this does different things according to what softwar you are running and attempting to make it work as an nvda command is going to have clashes.
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:24 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA Issues.


Ok, i have some questions and hopefully something can be done.
My first question is about the find comand nvda control f the regular nvda control f for me does not work weather i use a whireless or USB computer keyboard.
the extended nvda control f works but I am used to the regular way of doing things; Yes i set up a different hot key combo but would perfer to be able to use the regular nvda control f.
on a lap top i also have that key combo works fine.
and no i do not have the laptop layout on in nvda on my desktop.
Now as to the other question every so offten nvda goes into a read only mode.
That you can not save any settings why is this? and how can you fix it.
The only way i can fix it is by taking the half read only away from the folder.
but when i do i can not still save settings when shutting nvda down it will not come back when doing alt control n.
So please help!!!!!!


Re: Interesting news

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not really that unexpected though is it.
In the end a small market is a small market, and it cannot support lots of players.
At the moment these companies are aiming third solutions at the workplace. This was also what Microsoft did with their free cut down licensing of Window eyes for Office of course.

Anyway, this is not really helping people use nvda is it?
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Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 7:11 PM
Subject: [nvda] Interesting news


Now there really is a David versus Goliath and thank goodness for
NVDA, because we'd definitely have very little innovation with this
new move if NVDA didn't exist. Must support.
http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/ai-squared-joins-vfo-home-of-freedom-scientific-and-optelec-300284405.html


Re: Interesting news

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The snag is that one would need to know who would maintain and test it. I'm sure that if Msoft did a deal with all screenreader companies to point at their latest versions and pricing it could be done that way. Increasingly, all software is supplied on line, and even dvds tend to include competing products such as firefox etc, so there is no real need to let nvda be 'owned' by a company.
Microsoft have no track record of making their new APIs available far enough in the future, or bug free enough for screenreader makeers to get to grips with it.
It would not be any better if it were theirs, as has been proved by Narrator.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "erik burggraaf" <erik@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Interesting news


Hmmm, Well I don't agree that there wouldn't be anything in buying nvda for microsoft. Right now, microsoft is spending a lot of money to re-invent the wheel. Narrator was one of the first screen readers built into an operating system, and even in windows 10, look how far it hasn't come. Accessibility doesn't really make apple very much money, especially not compared to what they spend on developing it. The accessibility allows apple to keep it's high end government and education contracts and that's why we have it. The fact that it's state of the art is great for us, and that tim cook gets to pat us on the head at wwdc is great for apple and everybody wins. It's not for us though and never will be. As long as it works, I'm willing to tollerate being a turtiary target market for the products I purchase.

As far as NVDA goes, I can't disagree with corporate sponsorship from companies using NVDA in the workplace as long as narrateor continues to be unviable. That doesn't really solve the problem though which is that at the core, windows is inherantly inaccessible, and will continue to be so until it has a full suite of high quality accessibility features built in. Incorporating nvda directly would be a huge piece in that puzzle.

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On Jun 14, 2016, at 1:09 PM, Antony Stone <Antony.Stone@...> wrote:

What's in it for Microsoft to bother with such a move?

Do they sell more copies of Windows? Very very marginally, perhaps. They
seem to be giving Windows away for nothing these days anyway.

Will they gain market share over the competiton (ie: Apple)? I don't think so
- Apple has a very good screen reader built in to iOS, and people who like
Apple will continue to use Apple; those who like Windows will continue to use
Windows.

No, NV Access doesn't need to be bought by Microsoft - it needs investment
from a company which can get NVDA used by the big corporates and public sector
who currently pay for JAWS licences, but could do so much better with an open
source licence-free solution.

As with all open source software, the market is in support, not in supplying
it in the first place (look at Red Hat and their business model). Microsoft
has nothing to gain by acquiring NV Access, but someone with a brand name
behind them (so that they get taken seriously by large employers) and the
facilities to provide support for NVDA could do very well, both for themselves
and for NV Access.


Well, that's my opinion, anyway.


Antony.

On Tuesday 14 June 2016 at 21:07:44, erik burggraaf wrote:

Microsoft should buy NVDA for a huge sum of money and hire mic and James to
head the project. Narrater should be scrapped and NVDA should be built
into windows.
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Re: NVDA commands on sites when doing a search

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi Sem,

First letter navigation in Browse mode is a handy way of getting around web pages.  That is, press d to go to a landmark, 1, 2 or 3 to go to a heading level 1, 2, 3 (or just h to go to the next heading).  If you do that, or if you arrow through the page, then it will stay in browse mode, even when it gets to say an edit box.

If you are in a form field like the search edit, you can press ENTER to go into focus mode.  Doing this will automatically revert back to browse mode when you move out of the form.  If you press NVDA+spacebar as Gene suggested that will also work, and it won't automatically revert back to browse mode when you leave the form.

If you press tab to move between links and form fields, NVDA will automatically go into focus mode when you get to a form field.

There is more information in the User guide (NVDA+n then help then user guide).  There is also more detailed information with activities in the NVDA training material, which will get you up to speed with all facets of the software.  The training material is available from the NV Access site at: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Kind regards

Quentin.

On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Semirhage <severus13@...> wrote:
So like if I am on a site to buy something and want to do a product search, like do they have so and so item, and it appears I'm in the search box typing and it doesn't want to take. Is the site just not blind friendly or is there an NVDA command I need to be using? Sorry if I sound stupid. I've only had time to mainly use NVDA for emails and don't really have to use commands for that so now having to learn the other stuff. This may be the site issue and nothing to do with NVDA but in case I am wrong I thought to ask.
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Re: NVDA commands on sites when doing a search

Gene
 

You can try but whether you will be successful at tabbing and shift tabbing to the field or typing in it are things you won't know until you try. 
 
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From: Semirhage
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2016 12:58 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA commands on sites when doing a search

Yeah sometimes it says search but you don't get t he little click like when in the search box and typing in the search anyway doesn't work. So that's when I'd need to switch modes with the nvda and space?
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Re: NVDA commands on sites when doing a search

Semirhage
 

Yeah sometimes it says search but you don't get t he little click like when in the search box and typing in the search anyway doesn't work. So that's when I'd need to switch modes with the nvda and space?
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Re: link for Hadley survey

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I didn't think about the commando.com site.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 5:03 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

You believe that it's the site's problem but that is a very questionable
belief. It's possible, but highly questionable and the problem needs to be
examined further, Especially since two people have now reported successfully
using the site.

When you go to
http://www.komando.com
do you see any message at the top of the screen about JAVA being disabled
in your browser?

Gene
there is no basis to assume it's the site's problem.
Gene


From: Rosemarie Chavarria <mailto:knitqueen2007@...>
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Hi,

I tried firefox, the webbie browser and inteernet explorer and none of the
browsers worked for me. None of the screen readers, NVDA and system access
to go worked for me. I think they need to do something about their site.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Hi Rosemarie,



I am using the latest Firefox, windows 10 and NVDA 2016.2.



I have no problem seeing each field. In fact I answered each question with
the adjusted combo box and entered a sample answer and explanations that I
was only testing. Finally I entered the submit button and my submission was
confirmed with the usual invitation to create my own Survey Monkey
questionnaire.



The interface was very clear and combo boxes and check lists were exactly
matched up and working perfectly.



I wonder why you were having difficulty?





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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: [nvda] link for Hadley survey



Hi, everyone,



Here's the link for the survey I was trying to fill out.



Rosemarie



https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZB552HL
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZB552HL>


Re: libra office?

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I use jarte and it's great.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Bobby
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:23 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?

Well if you want a good and lite wait word processer you could use a program called jarte


On 6/16/2016 9:58 PM, Danni wrote:
Aha I figured it out! the formula box was checked and as soon as I
clicked on that all the chatter went away yea!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Okay tried that didn't work!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Fisher"
<andrefisher729@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Have you tried disabling Report object descriptions in NVDA's object
presentation dialog?

On 6/15/16, Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:
I should have been more clear sorry!
It keeps saying what the file is and sheet and please hit enter for
child
... just seems to talk too much!
I don't mind it talking while i type but it's giving me too much
info about
what file am in and press this and that and ugg by the time it's
done I
forget which info I want to put in the cell!

I wish I could add more but my brain goes into meltdown mode when
it starts
talking so much haha

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Danni,

If by "shut off the chatter" you mean to stop NVDA from
speaking
while you type, etc., you can use NVDA Key+S to toggle speech
mode. I also
use the No Beeps Speech Mode NVDA add-on so that I either have
speech or
silence, as there is a third feedback using beeps which I have no
use for.
The NVDA Key+S is a true on/off toggle for speech if you use that
add-on,
otherwise it is a cycling switch between, off, beep mode, and
speech mode.
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Re: NVDA commands on sites when doing a search

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


If you know you are in a search box but not sure you can arrow up or down to confirm you are in a search box. you will usually hear something like search button just after the editable box.


if you are not sure which mode if any you can use the nvda key + the space bar to change from say browse mode to focus mode or back the other way.


On the machine I have hear I like hearing which mode it is in like in browse mode where I can use the single letter navigation keys or in focus mode where I can type in stuff like in the search box.


The other choice is to hear sounds you can try out the 2 different modes by going to the browse settings section in NVDA.


To quickly get to the browse mode section in NVDA use the nvda key + CTRL key + the letter B then tab until you hear NVDA say Audio indication of focus and browse modes

If the box is checked you will hear the sounds and if unchecked you will hear it spoken.

In some cases after you do a search to quickly get to the search results, most will be under a heading called search results. You can use the letter H in browse mode to do this, but usually done better from the top of the page.
I mean as in jump down by heading with NVDA.

hopefully this helps.

Gene nz

Gene nz

On 17/06/2016 3:22 PM, Semirhage wrote:
So like if I am on a site to buy something and want to do a product search, like do they have so and so item, and it appears I'm in the search box typing and it doesn't want to take. Is the site just not blind friendly or is there an NVDA command I need to be using? Sorry if I sound stupid. I've only had time to mainly use NVDA for emails and don't really have to use commands for that so now having to learn the other stuff. This may be the site issue and nothing to do with NVDA but in case I am wrong I thought to ask.
Sem
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Re: link for Hadley survey

Arlene
 

Hi, What version of windows are you using?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: June-16-16 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Rosemarie,

Normally, I would support you completely on your findings. Especially when a
survey is inaccessible. Could you explain what operating system, generation
of NVDA, and version of Firefox you are using?

After that I can compare my settings with yours and see why I have no
problem accessing the survey when you are having so much trouble.

For the record, here is a screen capture of what NVDA sees in the survey
after I filled it in with trial data:
Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually Impair
Pilot Course Evaluation
As one of the first students to take this course, your answers to the
following questions provide valuable feedback to improve the course. Please
complete this short eleven-question survey. Feel free to add comments in the
text boxes.
(Question 1 of 11) How many hours did you spend completing all of the
lessons and assignments in this course? Please approximate in the text box
below and use a number without a decimal:
Hours:
(Question 2 of 11) Which medium did you select for your course?
Online
(Question 3 of 11) How would you rate the course?
Very Good
(Question 4 of 11) Did each lesson clearly state what you were expected to
learn?
Yes
Please add comments:
I am testing this survey
(Question 5 of 11) Did each lesson sufficiently cover the topics described
in the objectives?
No
Please add comments:
Only the "yes" appears in teh response options in hhe drop down lsit.
(Question 6 of 11) Did the lesson enable you to complete the Practice
Exercises successfully?
No
Please add comments:
Althoguh the prompt says 2number 3 of 3" the display is "no" after I select
option 3.
(Question 7 of 11) Were the assignment instructions clearly stated and easy
to follow?
Yes
Please add comments:

(Question 8 of 11) Did the lessons give enough information to do the
assignments?
No
Please add comments:
Still showing number 3 of 3
(Question 9 of 11) Did you achieve the goals you had when you started this
course?
No
Please add comments:
My goal is to achieve full accessibility of this survey
(Question 10 of 11) Would you recommend this course to others?
No
Please add comments:
I am sure I woudl but the questionnaire needs soem attention
(Question 11 of 11) Overall, were you satisfied with your studies at Hadley?
No
Please add comments:
Same problem
(Optional) Please provide your contact information so that we may contact
you if we have some additional questions.
Name: Cearbhall
Email Address: cearbhall.omeadhra@...
Phone Number: +353 1 2864623
Submit

After I submitted it, this came up:
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Pilot Course Evaluation
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I pressed "submit" again and this was the result:

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After that, what could be happening to make it so difficult for you?


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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Hi,

I tried firefox, the webbie browser and inteernet explorer and none of the
browsers worked for me. None of the screen readers, NVDA and system access
to go worked for me. I think they need to do something about their site.

Rosemarie



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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Hi Rosemarie,



I am using the latest Firefox, windows 10 and NVDA 2016.2.



I have no problem seeing each field. In fact I answered each question with
the adjusted combo box and entered a sample answer and explanations that I
was only testing. Finally I entered the submit button and my submission was
confirmed with the usual invitation to create my own Survey Monkey
questionnaire.



The interface was very clear and combo boxes and check lists were exactly
matched up and working perfectly.



I wonder why you were having difficulty?





All the best,



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] link for Hadley survey



Hi, everyone,



Here's the link for the survey I was trying to fill out.



Rosemarie



https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZB552HL
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZB552HL>


Re: link for Hadley survey

Arlene
 

That is bizarre! I'll give it a try. I would have done today. But I was
busy.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: June-16-16 4:00 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Hi,

I'm not upset about the bad editting. I'm just wondering why I can't submit
the survey.



-----Original Message-----
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Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Rosemarie

Please forgive my bad editing. The software did enable me to correct typos
but I forgot to check so many of them!

All the best,

Cearbhall

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Rosemarie,

Normally, I would support you completely on your findings. Especially when a
survey is inaccessible. Could you explain what operating system, generation
of NVDA, and version of Firefox you are using?

After that I can compare my settings with yours and see why I have no
problem accessing the survey when you are having so much trouble.

For the record, here is a screen capture of what NVDA sees in the survey
after I filled it in with trial data:
Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually Impair Pilot Course Evaluation
As one of the first students to take this course, your answers to the
following questions provide valuable feedback to improve the course. Please
complete this short eleven-question survey. Feel free to add comments in the
text boxes.
(Question 1 of 11) How many hours did you spend completing all of the
lessons and assignments in this course? Please approximate in the text box
below and use a number without a decimal:
Hours:
(Question 2 of 11) Which medium did you select for your course?
Online
(Question 3 of 11) How would you rate the course?
Very Good
(Question 4 of 11) Did each lesson clearly state what you were expected to
learn?
Yes
Please add comments:
I am testing this survey
(Question 5 of 11) Did each lesson sufficiently cover the topics described
in the objectives?
No
Please add comments:
Only the "yes" appears in teh response options in hhe drop down lsit.
(Question 6 of 11) Did the lesson enable you to complete the Practice
Exercises successfully?
No
Please add comments:
Althoguh the prompt says 2number 3 of 3" the display is "no" after I select
option 3.
(Question 7 of 11) Were the assignment instructions clearly stated and easy
to follow?
Yes
Please add comments:

(Question 8 of 11) Did the lessons give enough information to do the
assignments?
No
Please add comments:
Still showing number 3 of 3
(Question 9 of 11) Did you achieve the goals you had when you started this
course?
No
Please add comments:
My goal is to achieve full accessibility of this survey (Question 10 of 11)
Would you recommend this course to others?
No
Please add comments:
I am sure I woudl but the questionnaire needs soem attention (Question 11 of
11) Overall, were you satisfied with your studies at Hadley?
No
Please add comments:
Same problem
(Optional) Please provide your contact information so that we may contact
you if we have some additional questions.
Name: Cearbhall
Email Address: cearbhall.omeadhra@... Phone Number: +353 1 2864623
Submit

After I submitted it, this came up:
Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually Impair Pilot Course Evaluation
Thank you for completing our survey!
Submit
T
-

I pressed "submit" again and this was the result:

Sign In
www.surveymonkey.com
Thanks for completing this survey.
Now create your own-it's free, quick & easy!
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After that, what could be happening to make it so difficult for you?


All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Hi,

I tried firefox, the webbie browser and inteernet explorer and none of the
browsers worked for me. None of the screen readers, NVDA and system access
to go worked for me. I think they need to do something about their site.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Hi Rosemarie,



I am using the latest Firefox, windows 10 and NVDA 2016.2.



I have no problem seeing each field. In fact I answered each question with
the adjusted combo box and entered a sample answer and explanations that I
was only testing. Finally I entered the submit button and my submission was
confirmed with the usual invitation to create my own Survey Monkey
questionnaire.



The interface was very clear and combo boxes and check lists were exactly
matched up and working perfectly.



I wonder why you were having difficulty?





All the best,



Cearbhall



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] link for Hadley survey



Hi, everyone,



Here's the link for the survey I was trying to fill out.



Rosemarie



https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZB552HL
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZB552HL>


Re: NVDA commands on sites when doing a search

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


If you know you are in a search box but not sure you can arrow up or down to confirm you are in a search box. you will usually hear something like search button just after the editable box.


if you are not sure which mode if any you can use the nvda key + the space bar to change from say browse mode to focus mode or back the other way.


On the machine I have hear I like hearing which mode it is in like in browse mode where I can use the single letter navigation keys or in focus mode where I can type in stuff like in the search box.


The other choice is to hear sounds you can try out the 2 different modes by going to the browse settings section in NVDA.


To quickly get to the browse mode section in NVDA use the nvda key + CTRL key + the letter B then tab until you hear NVDA say Audio indication of focus and browse modes

If the box is checked you will hear the sounds and if unchecked you will hear it spoken.

In some cases after you do a search to quickly get to the search results, most will be under a heading called search results. You can use the letter H in browse mode to do this, but usually done better from the top of the page.
I mean as in jump down by heading with NVDA.

hopefully this helps.

Gene nz

Gene nz

On 17/06/2016 3:22 PM, Semirhage wrote:
So like if I am on a site to buy something and want to do a product search, like do they have so and so item, and it appears I'm in the search box typing and it doesn't want to take. Is the site just not blind friendly or is there an NVDA command I need to be using? Sorry if I sound stupid. I've only had time to mainly use NVDA for emails and don't really have to use commands for that so now having to learn the other stuff. This may be the site issue and nothing to do with NVDA but in case I am wrong I thought to ask.
Sem
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I get along with the voices inside of my head.

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Re: NVDA commands on sites when doing a search

Kenny Dog <hurrikennyandopo@...>
 

Hi


If you know you are in a search box but not sure you can arrow up or down to confirm you are in a search box. you will usually hear something like search button just after the editable box.


if you are not sure which mode if any you can use the nvda key + the space bar to change from say browse mode to focus mode or back the other way.


On the machine I have hear I like hearing which mode it is in like in browse mode where I can use the single letter navigation keys or in focus mode where I can type in stuff like in the search box.


The other choice is to hear sounds you can try out the 2 different modes by going to the browse settings section in NVDA.


To quickly get to the browse mode section in NVDA use the nvda key + CTRL key + the letter B then tab until you hear NVDA say Audio indication of focus and browse modes

If the box is checked you will hear the sounds and if unchecked you will hear it spoken.

In some cases after you do a search to quickly get to the search results, most will be under a heading called search results. You can use the letter H in browse mode to do this, but usually done better from the top of the page.
I mean as in jump down by heading with NVDA.

hopefully this helps.

Gene nz

Gene nz

On 17/06/2016 3:22 PM, Semirhage wrote:
So like if I am on a site to buy something and want to do a product search, like do they have so and so item, and it appears I'm in the search box typing and it doesn't want to take. Is the site just not blind friendly or is there an NVDA command I need to be using? Sorry if I sound stupid. I've only had time to mainly use NVDA for emails and don't really have to use commands for that so now having to learn the other stuff. This may be the site issue and nothing to do with NVDA but in case I am wrong I thought to ask.
Sem
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.

Virus-free. www.avast.com

-- 
Check out my website for nvda tutorials and other blindness related material at http://www.accessibilitycentral.net


NVDA commands on sites when doing a search

Semirhage
 

So like if I am on a site to buy something and want to do a product search, like do they have so and so item, and it appears I'm in the search box typing and it doesn't want to take. Is the site just not blind friendly or is there an NVDA command I need to be using? Sorry if I sound stupid. I've only had time to mainly use NVDA for emails and don't really have to use commands for that so now having to learn the other stuff. This may be the site issue and nothing to do with NVDA but in case I am wrong I thought to ask.
Sem
I'm friends with the monster that's under my bed.
I get along with the voices inside of my head.

Virus-free. www.avast.com


Re: libra office?

Bobby <bvinton@...>
 

Well if you want a good and lite wait word processer you could use a program called jarte

On 6/16/2016 9:58 PM, Danni wrote:
Aha I figured it out! the formula box was checked and as soon as I clicked on that all the chatter went away yea!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Okay tried that didn't work!

----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Fisher" <andrefisher729@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Have you tried disabling Report object descriptions in NVDA's object
presentation dialog?

On 6/15/16, Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:
I should have been more clear sorry!
It keeps saying what the file is and sheet and please hit enter for child
... just seems to talk too much!
I don't mind it talking while i type but it's giving me too much info about
what file am in and press this and that and ugg by the time it's done I
forget which info I want to put in the cell!

I wish I could add more but my brain goes into meltdown mode when it starts
talking so much haha

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Danni,

If by "shut off the chatter" you mean to stop NVDA from speaking
while you type, etc., you can use NVDA Key+S to toggle speech mode. I also
use the No Beeps Speech Mode NVDA add-on so that I either have speech or
silence, as there is a third feedback using beeps which I have no use for.
The NVDA Key+S is a true on/off toggle for speech if you use that add-on,
otherwise it is a cycling switch between, off, beep mode, and speech mode.
--
Brian


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never enough to keep up.

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Re: libra office?

Danni
 

Aha I figured it out! the formula box was checked and as soon as I clicked on that all the chatter went away yea!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Danni" <luv2ride67@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Okay tried that didn't work!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Fisher" <andrefisher729@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2016 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Have you tried disabling Report object descriptions in NVDA's object
presentation dialog?

On 6/15/16, Danni <luv2ride67@...> wrote:
I should have been more clear sorry!
It keeps saying what the file is and sheet and please hit enter for child
... just seems to talk too much!
I don't mind it talking while i type but it's giving me too much info about
what file am in and press this and that and ugg by the time it's done I
forget which info I want to put in the cell!

I wish I could add more but my brain goes into meltdown mode when it starts
talking so much haha

----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Vogel
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2016 8:24 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] libra office?


Danni,

If by "shut off the chatter" you mean to stop NVDA from speaking
while you type, etc., you can use NVDA Key+S to toggle speech mode. I also
use the No Beeps Speech Mode NVDA add-on so that I either have speech or
silence, as there is a third feedback using beeps which I have no use for.
The NVDA Key+S is a true on/off toggle for speech if you use that add-on,
otherwise it is a cycling switch between, off, beep mode, and speech mode.
--
Brian


I worry a lot. . . I worry that no matter how cynical you become it's
never enough to keep up.

~ Trudy, in Jane Wagner's "Search for Signs of Intelligent Life
in the Universe"














edward voice for nvda

Bobby <bvinton@...>
 

Hay I was wondering if we will ever see an update for the speech player and e speek voices. It would be very sad to see them go away.


Re: link for Hadley survey

Gene
 

You believe that it's the site's problem but that is a very questionable belief.  It's possible, but highly questionable and the problem needs to be examined further, Especially since two people have now reported successfully using the site. 
 
When you go to
 do you see any message at the top of the screen about JAVA being disabled in your browser? 
 
Gene
there is no basis to assume it’s the site's problem.
Gene

Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Hi,

I tried firefox, the webbie browser and inteernet explorer and none of the
browsers worked for me. None of the screen readers, NVDA and system access
to go worked for me. I think they need to do something about their site.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Hi Rosemarie,

 

I am using the latest Firefox, windows 10 and NVDA 2016.2.

 

I have no problem  seeing each field. In fact I answered each question with
the adjusted combo box and entered a sample answer and explanations that I
was only testing. Finally I entered the submit button and my submission was
confirmed with the usual invitation to create my own Survey Monkey
questionnaire.

 

The interface was very clear and combo boxes and check lists were exactly
matched up and working perfectly.

 

I wonder why you were having difficulty?

 

 

All the best,

 

Cearbhall

 

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...

 

 

 

 

 

                                   

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

 

Hi, everyone,

 

Here's the link for the survey I was trying to fill out.

 

Rosemarie

 

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZB552HL
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZB552HL>






Re: link for Hadley survey

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

Hi,

I'm not upset about the bad editting. I'm just wondering why I can't submit
the survey.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 3:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Rosemarie

Please forgive my bad editing. The software did enable me to correct typos
but I forgot to check so many of them!

All the best,

Cearbhall

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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 11:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Rosemarie,

Normally, I would support you completely on your findings. Especially when a
survey is inaccessible. Could you explain what operating system, generation
of NVDA, and version of Firefox you are using?

After that I can compare my settings with yours and see why I have no
problem accessing the survey when you are having so much trouble.

For the record, here is a screen capture of what NVDA sees in the survey
after I filled it in with trial data:
Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually Impair Pilot Course Evaluation
As one of the first students to take this course, your answers to the
following questions provide valuable feedback to improve the course. Please
complete this short eleven-question survey. Feel free to add comments in the
text boxes.
(Question 1 of 11) How many hours did you spend completing all of the
lessons and assignments in this course? Please approximate in the text box
below and use a number without a decimal:
Hours:
(Question 2 of 11) Which medium did you select for your course?
Online
(Question 3 of 11) How would you rate the course?
Very Good
(Question 4 of 11) Did each lesson clearly state what you were expected to
learn?
Yes
Please add comments:
I am testing this survey
(Question 5 of 11) Did each lesson sufficiently cover the topics described
in the objectives?
No
Please add comments:
Only the "yes" appears in teh response options in hhe drop down lsit.
(Question 6 of 11) Did the lesson enable you to complete the Practice
Exercises successfully?
No
Please add comments:
Althoguh the prompt says 2number 3 of 3" the display is "no" after I select
option 3.
(Question 7 of 11) Were the assignment instructions clearly stated and easy
to follow?
Yes
Please add comments:

(Question 8 of 11) Did the lessons give enough information to do the
assignments?
No
Please add comments:
Still showing number 3 of 3
(Question 9 of 11) Did you achieve the goals you had when you started this
course?
No
Please add comments:
My goal is to achieve full accessibility of this survey (Question 10 of 11)
Would you recommend this course to others?
No
Please add comments:
I am sure I woudl but the questionnaire needs soem attention (Question 11 of
11) Overall, were you satisfied with your studies at Hadley?
No
Please add comments:
Same problem
(Optional) Please provide your contact information so that we may contact
you if we have some additional questions.
Name: Cearbhall
Email Address: cearbhall.omeadhra@... Phone Number: +353 1 2864623
Submit

After I submitted it, this came up:
Hadley Institute for the Blind and Visually Impair Pilot Course Evaluation
Thank you for completing our survey!
Submit
T
-

I pressed "submit" again and this was the result:

Sign In
www.surveymonkey.com
Thanks for completing this survey.
Now create your own-it's free, quick & easy!
3
Create free surveys in just a few minutes
3
Ask questions in a wide variety of formats - (configured for you and ready
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3
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Policy---------------------------------------------

After that, what could be happening to make it so difficult for you?


All the best,

Cearbhall

m +353 (0)833323487 Ph: _353 (0)1-2864623 e: cearbhall.omeadhra@...



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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 10:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Hi,

I tried firefox, the webbie browser and inteernet explorer and none of the
browsers worked for me. None of the screen readers, NVDA and system access
to go worked for me. I think they need to do something about their site.

Rosemarie



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Cearbhall O'Meadhra
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 1:54 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] link for Hadley survey

Hi Rosemarie,



I am using the latest Firefox, windows 10 and NVDA 2016.2.



I have no problem seeing each field. In fact I answered each question with
the adjusted combo box and entered a sample answer and explanations that I
was only testing. Finally I entered the submit button and my submission was
confirmed with the usual invitation to create my own Survey Monkey
questionnaire.



The interface was very clear and combo boxes and check lists were exactly
matched up and working perfectly.



I wonder why you were having difficulty?





All the best,



Cearbhall



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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2016 7:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] link for Hadley survey



Hi, everyone,



Here's the link for the survey I was trying to fill out.



Rosemarie



https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZB552HL
<https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/ZB552HL>