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Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

Lenron
 

No matter how you spin it narrator is really getting better.

On 2/7/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:
Hi.

Actually with narrator I got stuck on a webpage and couldn’t get out of it.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?



I solved hat easily enough. with narrator I navigated to where my ninite
folder was and installed nvda from there.

Take care

On 7 Feb 2019, at 2:52, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I agree.
I had to reinstall NVDA after reinstalling Windows. Trying to navigate the
website with Narrator was frustrating. I was so relieved once NVDA was up
and running.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Narrator while better than what it was, really still feels like an
afterthought. I mean, Microsoft has had ample opportunity to really develop
a screen reader. Be it when they partnered with Window Eyes for like 5
minutes or only until recently paying more attention to Narrator itself.
Not to mention the fact that if they wanted to, they could've bought Window
Eyes outright or Vispero at any time for that matter.
Not really bashing MS even. More like I'll believe Narrator to be a viable
screen reading option when it actually becomes one. Right now, outside of
perhaps getting a machine up and running out of the box or maybe to try to
get out of the odd situation where your main screen reader craps out on you,
it's not much more than that.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Maybe someday narrator will be a great screen reader. I too hope NVDA is
around for many more years.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

You know that everything has a life span. I hope NVDA still has a lot of
years ahead of itself but maybe just maybe Narrator will become a great
screen reader and there will be no need for NVDA or Jaws or any other screen
reader.
Right now NVDA is my screen reader of choice with Jaws being my backup that
I very seldom use.





















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Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.

Actually with narrator I got stuck on a webpage and couldn’t get out of it.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:07 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

 

I solved hat easily enough. with narrator I navigated to where my ninite folder was and installed nvda from there.

Take care

On 7 Feb 2019, at 2:52, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I agree.
I had to reinstall NVDA after reinstalling Windows. Trying to navigate the website with Narrator was frustrating. I was so relieved once NVDA was up and running.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Narrator while better than what it was, really still feels like an afterthought. I mean, Microsoft has had ample opportunity to really develop a screen reader. Be it when they partnered with Window Eyes for like 5 minutes or only until recently paying more attention to Narrator itself.
Not to mention the fact that if they wanted to, they could've bought Window Eyes outright or Vispero at any time for that matter.
Not really bashing MS even. More like I'll believe Narrator to be a viable screen reading option when it actually becomes one. Right now, outside of perhaps getting a machine up and running out of the box or maybe to try to get out of the odd situation where your main screen reader craps out on you, it's not much more than that.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Maybe someday narrator will be a great screen reader. I too hope NVDA is around for many more years.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

You know that everything has a life span. I hope NVDA still has a lot of years ahead of itself but maybe just maybe Narrator will become a great screen reader and there will be no need for NVDA or Jaws or any other screen reader.
Right now NVDA is my screen reader of choice with Jaws being my backup that I very seldom use.















Re: Problems With NVDA

Gene
 

Nothing you say supports the low RAM theory.  It contradicts it.  Why would JAWS work well with the browsers and not NVDA?  Assumedly, you have 32bit Windows.  If you didn't, you would need more than 2GB of RAM and you would be having a lot more performance issues.  You haven't even checked to see how much memory is being used and how much is free when your browser and screen-reader are running and you are working in the browser. 
 
There is a mistique about memory.  it gets blamed for things that often have nothing to do with it. 
 
If I'm wrong and you are running 64 bit Windows, you should get more memory.  I doubt you are.  And browsers don't use a lot of memory and as I said, since JAWS works properly with the browsers. that is very strong evidence that memory isn't the problem.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 6:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

Hello again:
I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue.
Brian, My GBRam is a low grid.  It is just 2GB.  But even with that I
don't have this problem with JAWS.  But as I said yesterday, chrome
appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, although firefox
and internet explorer are almost unusable.
I am thinking of increasing my GB ram with an SDCard.
Regards.
Ibrahim.

On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
> Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec machines,
> certainly.
>  Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
> in the display name field.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>
>
> Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
> Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07
> To: nvda@groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>
> Hello:
> I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
> The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
> When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading documents
> off line, it is not slow.
> This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have this slow
>
> problems online with JAWS.  I use a demo copy of JAWS.
> Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a web
> browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet explorer
> unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when I press
> the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing.  Some times, when I am on a
>
> site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and disables the
>
> computer itself.  I just have to shut it down, and then restart it all over
>
> again.
> Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen reader?
> I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
> I have the latest update of the screen reader.
> Hope to read a helpful response.
> I am Ibrahim.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



Re: Can't move between cells in Excel

Howard Traxler <howard@...>
 

I had exactly that same problem a few days ago.  It went away by itself when I rebooted windows and excel or maybe when I restarted NVDA.  But I'm using an older version of excel; from office 2003.

On 2/7/2019 4:07 PM, James Scholes wrote:
Hi all,

Using latest alpha build of NVDA, Excel 2010, Win 7 Pro.  I can't move between the cells of an Excel sheet using the arrow keys. When I use up, down, left and right, the value of the currently-focused cell is just read out again and the focus doesn't move.

I remember having this issue before, but can't remember how it was fixed.  I've tried NVDA without add-ons and with default settings, didn't make a difference.  Nor did running the COM registration fixing tool.

Any suggestions greatfully received.

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes



Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

Sarah k Alawami
 

I solved hat easily enough. with narrator I navigated to where my ninite folder was and installed nvda from there.

Take care

On 7 Feb 2019, at 2:52, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I agree.
I had to reinstall NVDA after reinstalling Windows. Trying to navigate the website with Narrator was frustrating. I was so relieved once NVDA was up and running.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Cristóbal
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Narrator while better than what it was, really still feels like an afterthought. I mean, Microsoft has had ample opportunity to really develop a screen reader. Be it when they partnered with Window Eyes for like 5 minutes or only until recently paying more attention to Narrator itself.
Not to mention the fact that if they wanted to, they could've bought Window Eyes outright or Vispero at any time for that matter.
Not really bashing MS even. More like I'll believe Narrator to be a viable screen reading option when it actually becomes one. Right now, outside of perhaps getting a machine up and running out of the box or maybe to try to get out of the odd situation where your main screen reader craps out on you, it's not much more than that.
Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

Maybe someday narrator will be a great screen reader. I too hope NVDA is around for many more years.



-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?

You know that everything has a life span. I hope NVDA still has a lot of years ahead of itself but maybe just maybe Narrator will become a great screen reader and there will be no need for NVDA or Jaws or any other screen reader.
Right now NVDA is my screen reader of choice with Jaws being my backup that I very seldom use.
















Re: Problems With NVDA

Ibrahim Ajayi
 

Hello again:
I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue.
Brian, My GBRam is a low grid. It is just 2GB. But even with that I
don't have this problem with JAWS. But as I said yesterday, chrome
appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, although firefox
and internet explorer are almost unusable.
I am thinking of increasing my GB ram with an SDCard.
Regards.
Ibrahim.

On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
<bglists@...> wrote:
Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec machines,
certainly.
Brian

bglists@...
Sent via blueyonder.
Please address personal E-mail to:-
briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
in the display name field.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim Ajayi
Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07
To: nvda@groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

Hello:
I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading documents
off line, it is not slow.
This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have this slow

problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS.
Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a web
browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet explorer
unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when I press
the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some times, when I am on a

site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and disables the

computer itself. I just have to shut it down, and then restart it all over

again.
Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen reader?
I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
I have the latest update of the screen reader.
Hope to read a helpful response.
I am Ibrahim.












Re: NVDA and braille displays

Ivan pivac
 

Hi Christopher,


Many thanks for your suggestion.  Yes, I have the Baum USB driver for the BrailleConnect then a supervario driver was released which worked fine too.  I haven't yet found an up-to-date driver as I believe the one I have is 2009 and Windows has moved along since then.  As Baum aren't no longer producing these displays, I don't know if Humanware are continuing to upgrade the drivers.   




Regards



Ivan

 

On 8/02/2019 9:28 AM, Christopher Kchao wrote:
Hi,
Have you tried looking into whether or not there is a driver specifically for the Vario Connect? As I understand it, the Humanware BrailleConnect and the Baum Vario Connect are identical units.
Best,
CK

On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:17 PM Ivan pivac <ivan@...> wrote:
Hi list members,

I have been using a BrailleConnect from Humanware using the Baum USB
supervario deriver and NVDA for several years quite successfully.  With
the new release of NVDA, the braille display for some reason has stopped
working.

Previously, NVDA had the BrailleConnect as one of its braille displays. 
In the latest release of NVDA, there is an automatic detection option
under the Braille setting but it fails to detect my display.  I also
have brltty as an option which, in the past, also drove the display but
no longer.  When I choose the brltty option, I receive the error message
that brltty cannot be installed.  Interestingly, even though the
supervario USB driver from Baum has been installed, there is no mention
of it under the Windows driver folder.  Despite the fact that the
BrailleConnect appears under ports in the device manager in the control
panel, I receive the message that no briver has been installed.  The
braille display is set for USB not bluetooth and it is functioning as
normal and I am using Windows 10 Pro.  I would appreciate receiving
comments from list members as to what might be the problem.



Many thanks


Ivan

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In-Process 8th February

Quentin Christensen
 

Hi everyone,

This week's In-Process features an interview with the NVDA Certified Expert who received our 100th certification, as well as some handy keystrokes to find where the focus is.  Thanks to the conversation on here which prompted that piece.


Kind regards

Quentin.

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Training and Support Manager

Official NVDA Training modules and expert certification now available: http://www.nvaccess.org/shop/

Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/NVAccess 
Twitter: @NVAccess 


OT: looking for a mailing list for buying and selling blindness products

Fernando Apan
 

Hi everyone, and sorry for the out of topic...

I would like to know if you have any suggestion for a mailing list where one can find used braille displays, embossers, etcetera. Of cource, in good conditions.

Thanks in advance.


Fernando Apan.


Re: video editting

Manoj Govindraj <manmusical9@...>
 

Hi Robert,
Virtual dub does look very accessible, but when I go to the source
from where I need to open a video, nvda does not read the list of
videos for me to select and open the desired video. Please help.

Manoj

On 2/7/19, Robert Kingett <kingettr@...> wrote:
The only up to date accessible video editor that is out now is Virtual Dub.
( https://sourceforge.net/p/vdfiltermod/ ) That link should take you to
version 2, but the file output is huge so use handbreak to trim the file
size down even more.




Re: Can't move between cells in Excel

James Scholes
 

Tyler Spivey wrote:
Try scroll lock?
Worked, thanks.

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes


Re: Can't move between cells in Excel

Adriani Botez
 

Is the sheet protected?




Von meinem iPhone gesendet

Am 07.02.2019 um 23:07 schrieb James Scholes <james@...>:

Hi all,

Using latest alpha build of NVDA, Excel 2010, Win 7 Pro. I can't move between the cells of an Excel sheet using the arrow keys. When I use up, down, left and right, the value of the currently-focused cell is just read out again and the focus doesn't move.

I remember having this issue before, but can't remember how it was fixed. I've tried NVDA without add-ons and with default settings, didn't make a difference. Nor did running the COM registration fixing tool.

Any suggestions greatfully received.

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes



Re: Can't move between cells in Excel

Tyler Spivey
 

Try scroll lock?

On 2/7/2019 2:07 PM, James Scholes wrote:
Hi all,
Using latest alpha build of NVDA, Excel 2010, Win 7 Pro.  I can't move between the cells of an Excel sheet using the arrow keys.  When I use up, down, left and right, the value of the currently-focused cell is just read out again and the focus doesn't move.
I remember having this issue before, but can't remember how it was fixed.  I've tried NVDA without add-ons and with default settings, didn't make a difference.  Nor did running the COM registration fixing tool.
Any suggestions greatfully received.
Regards,
James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes


Can't move between cells in Excel

James Scholes
 

Hi all,

Using latest alpha build of NVDA, Excel 2010, Win 7 Pro. I can't move between the cells of an Excel sheet using the arrow keys. When I use up, down, left and right, the value of the currently-focused cell is just read out again and the focus doesn't move.

I remember having this issue before, but can't remember how it was fixed. I've tried NVDA without add-ons and with default settings, didn't make a difference. Nor did running the COM registration fixing tool.

Any suggestions greatfully received.

Regards,

James Scholes
https://twitter.com/JamesScholes


Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

Kevin Cussick
 

Hi, I am one of these 10 minutes users. but I am not saying anything bad as I have to sit down and learn like I did with nvda. but what I have seen so far in this insider build is looking good and it seems to get better each time windows is updated no keep it up micro soft.

On 07/02/2019 08:39, Steve Nutt wrote:
Hi David,
The people that make blanket statements like that, have probably only used Narrator for ten minutes.
All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of David Moore
Sent: 07 February 2019 01:02
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?
Wow!
In 1809, I am using Narrator to do the following tasks!
One: Do everything with MS Edge and Chrome!
Two: I do everything in the mail app with Narrator!
Three: I use Narrator with Waterfox to have it describe pictures on Facebook to me,
Four:
I use Narrator with the following Windows apps:
The news app, The twitter app, The weather app, The calculator, and more.
Narrator is so fast in Edge, that I have the best browsing experience.
In scan mode, I can use all of the navigation short cut keys that are in NVDA or JAWS.
Narrator works in Google Docs and Google Drive in MS Edge without a hitch.
This is just some of what I do with Narrator in Windows 1809, and with the latest insider build.
What you said about Narrator is completely untrue, and I can send you a video and you can hear what I do with Narrator with your own ears.
MS Edge and Narrator, is probably the best Internet experience I have.
Close to that, is Narrator in Chrome!
I am using Narrator more than JAWS now.
Take care, and please say what you have tried to do with Narrator without making a blanket statement like that without even knowing what you are talking about.
Read the Narrator guide, and if you have Windows 10 1809 build, you would not say what you did if you really tried to use Narrator.
David Moore
Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10
From: Cristóbal <mailto:cristobalmuli@...> One:
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 6:58 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?
Narrator while better than what it was, really still feels like an afterthought. I mean, Microsoft has had ample opportunity to really develop a screen reader. Be it when they partnered with Window Eyes for like 5 minutes or only until recently paying more attention to Narrator itself.
Not to mention the fact that if they wanted to, they could've bought Window Eyes outright or Vispero at any time for that matter.
Not really bashing MS even. More like I'll believe Narrator to be a viable screen reading option when it actually becomes one. Right now, outside of perhaps getting a machine up and running out of the box or maybe to try to get out of the odd situation where your main screen reader craps out on you, it's not much more than that.
Cristóbal
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rosemarie Chavarria
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 2:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?
Maybe someday narrator will be a great screen reader. I too hope NVDA is around for many more years.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, February 6, 2019 9:57 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying?
You know that everything has a life span. I hope NVDA still has a lot of years ahead of itself but maybe just maybe Narrator will become a great screen reader and there will be no need for NVDA or Jaws or any other screen reader.
Right now NVDA is my screen reader of choice with Jaws being my backup that I very seldom use.


Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
Thanks. I don't want to have to pay for outlook again just to get the 2019
version. I'll just stick with outlook 2016. I'd rather spend my money on
something else, like you said.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 9:35 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

0Hi Molly,

You have Outlook 2016; you do not need Outlook 2019.
Lots of people are still using outlook 2010.
The only way to get Outlook 2019 is to buy it.
Spend your money on something you need. Or really want; you know, food,
clothes, shoes


-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly
the blind tech lover
Sent: February-07-19 5:45 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi.
I have outlook 2016. How do I get outlook 2019?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Mullins
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 6:33 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi
I have Outlook 2007 and after pressing enter on a message in the folder
list, NVDA reads the text in the subject box not the whole line, then it
announces the message format, then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message
document, multi-line", then it reads the first line of the message body.

Cheers
Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: 6 February 2019 15:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Hi,

That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.

NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.

It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.

JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.

This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully
limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi,

In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
gives it the advantage.

You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.

All the best

Steve

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Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA

OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
loaded in windows 7.
Brian

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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA


Hi all,



With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
responsive for me now than JAWS.



Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
wouldn't speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few
configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise
that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
problems with NVDA.



In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
yet,
I
think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.



But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example,
it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one
reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS
reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.



Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an
equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.



I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
polish than NVDA.



Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.



All the best


Steve



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Re: NVDA and braille displays

Christopher Kchao
 

Hi,
Have you tried looking into whether or not there is a driver specifically for the Vario Connect? As I understand it, the Humanware BrailleConnect and the Baum Vario Connect are identical units.
Best,
CK


On Wed, Feb 6, 2019 at 10:17 PM Ivan pivac <ivan@...> wrote:
Hi list members,

I have been using a BrailleConnect from Humanware using the Baum USB
supervario deriver and NVDA for several years quite successfully.  With
the new release of NVDA, the braille display for some reason has stopped
working.

Previously, NVDA had the BrailleConnect as one of its braille displays. 
In the latest release of NVDA, there is an automatic detection option
under the Braille setting but it fails to detect my display.  I also
have brltty as an option which, in the past, also drove the display but
no longer.  When I choose the brltty option, I receive the error message
that brltty cannot be installed.  Interestingly, even though the
supervario USB driver from Baum has been installed, there is no mention
of it under the Windows driver folder.  Despite the fact that the
BrailleConnect appears under ports in the device manager in the control
panel, I receive the message that no briver has been installed.  The
braille display is set for USB not bluetooth and it is functioning as
normal and I am using Windows 10 Pro.  I would appreciate receiving
comments from list members as to what might be the problem.



Many thanks


Ivan

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Re: Windows Movie Maker

AKH AKH
 

Hi Chantelle


Thanks so much, that works.  Now you say in your example, go back to
where the dog is barking and delete.  How do you go back to the barking
part?  Do I have to play the video from the start or can I jump from
split to split?


Best wishes


Andrew

On 07/02/2019 16:05, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Okay, here's what you do. If it's a long video, you'll have to listen
to the video and split it every 30/40 counts by pressing the spacebar
to stop the video and then pressing the applications key. There you'll
find the split option, entre on that. Do this throughout your video.
Then you can go back to the video where the part is that you want to
get rid of and split it again.

So, lets say you have a video of a dog running and the dog barks
without warning. You don't want that right?

So, after the barking the dog is still running. You just want the
video without the barking.

Play the video again and cause you might know after how many seconds
the dog will bark, you can stop the video just before the dog barks.
Split it, let the dog bark and split again. Then you can go back to
the bark part and press delete.

There you go, your dog is just running and there's no barking.

To be safe, you can add a cross fade or fade out and in from either
black or white to let people think that the dog was running for a long
time or that it is a new video.

Hope it helps.

Chantelle

On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@...> wrote:
Hi Chantelle


Great advice, thanks.  My next challenge is to take out a few seconds of
video clip from the middle of a longer video.  It seems that people who
can see set some kind of marker at the start and end of the section they
want to cut out.  I have tried using trim, but this cuts the video
before and after the bit I want to cut and when I press cut command from
the edit menu I am left with only the bit I do not want and the video
parts I do want is deleted.


Andrew


On 07/02/2019 12:47, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.

In movie maker you have to go to video tools and tab until you get to
speed. There you can speed up the video. I've tested it and it does
work there.

Chantelle

On 2/7/19, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@...> wrote:
Hi.

Movie maker doesn't work as it use to but, wow, I've forgotten about
that effect.

Let me try to speed up a video I have and see if mine works?

Chantelle

On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@...> wrote:
I'm using NVDA and Windows 10 and I'm trying to apply an effect to my
video.  How can I do this with keyboard commands.  I get to the effects
list and choose 'speed up video' but I can't get it to work.


Andrew





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Re: Braille request

John J. Boyer
 

I missed this feature in BrailleExtender because it's under Input Gestures, which I thought was for touch screens.

John

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Now don't get me started....
Braille Extender add on does this, but for some odd reason it has no key
defined for it by default. Surely such an option needs to be in the core
since there are a lot of users now, and getting more due to the cheaper
displays, though of course I think most of the cheap ones at the moment are
only 6 dot.
Brian

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Subject: [nvda] Braille request


My request is that NVDA have a way to turn off dots 7 and 8.

In standard brf files, such as those from the BARD website of the U.S.
National Library service, all letters and some
additional symbolls are in upper case. I have BraileExtender and can
switch between English U.S. Grade 2 and English
U.S. 6 dot computer Braille. But the latter is not 6 dot. Dot seven
sticks up almost continually, making
reading unpleasant. We need a way to tell NVDA that all letters and
symbolls are 6 dot.

Thamnks,
John

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Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line

Tony Malykh
 

Hi Tyler,

I find your add-on pretty useful too. When writing code I often have to deal with pretty long lines and it helps to figure out where I am within the long line.

--Tony

On 2/7/2019 7:32 AM, Tyler Spivey wrote:
NVDA can't do what you want natively, but my addon can.
Here's the link again, this time with the readme. I haven't got it put on the addons site yet because I didn't think it was all that useful, but maybe it is. Let me know how it breaks and I'll try to fix it.

# Partial Lines

This addon has several operations dealing with lines:
* NVDA+shift+delete changes the up/down arrows to read from the start of the line to the cursor, from the cursor to the end of the line, or the entire line.
* NVDA+shift+page up reads from the start of the line to the cursor
* NVDA+shift+page down reads from the cursor to the end of the line.

https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partialLines-0.1.nvda-addon

On 2/7/2019 7:22 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
Yes, it is!

Rkobert


-----Message d'origine-----
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Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19
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Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

I thought NVDA+Down was read all.

All the best

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.


Molly

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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line

Hi, everyone,

This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?

I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!

Thanks a lot,

Robert
















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