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Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator
molly the blind tech lover
Hi.
To read a Microsoft word document with Narrator I think you have to press
caps lock plus R. That will start reading from the Narrator cursor.
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-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 9:18 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator
Actually, it's narrator. I'm having trouble reading a Microsoft word
document. I can see the title bar and the items around it, but I'm having
trouble interacting with the text. b
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Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
One quarter of one second means that when reading
e-mail, you lose one second every four e-mails read. That means that if
you read twenty e-mails, you lose 5 seconds. You would have to read
120 e-mails to lose one minute and you could make up that time by setting your
speech just a bit faster, hardly noticeable. And we don't kno if that time
is actually being lost. By waiting for the screen-reader to start reading
on its own, the responsiveness may be slower than if you issue a command to
start reading. You may not be losing any time and when you get down to one
quarter of a second, if indeed the time is being lost in the first place, you
are talking about meaningless differences.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 6:29 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using
NVDA
Jean,
If you are using a
screen reader to do your job, the last thing you want is to have extra
keystrokes just for reading Email.
There is this thing
called efficiency, and JAWS has it more than NVDA at the moment for
me.
When NVDA starts
really addressing efficiency in terms of Outlook and stuff like that, then it’s
worth looking at again.
For example, in
NVDA, you can’t supress what columns are read in an Email, such as replied,
attached, unread, etc, in JAWS you can. This means you can remove some you
don’t want and make the listening experience much nicer. For example, I
remove the Importance flag, because I don’t often get messages that say
Importance High, but you can’t get rid of that with NVDA.
This is just
another area where JAWS is much more efficient than NVDA. If you are just
writing the odd Email at home and don’t use it for work, this is OK, but when
the rubber hits the road, JAWS has several efficiencies built in, regarding
verbosity and such, that NVDA doesn’t accomplish for me.
All the
best
Steve
From:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Gene
Sent: 08 February 2019 11:26
To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user
using NVDA
I'd use the one that is
free and performs very well. There is such a thing as being fanatically
demanding, expecting a screen-reader to do everything perfectly. I've seen
others engage in this sort of fanaticism. Because screen-readers are what
they are, and because Windows and Windows programs are what they are, there are
times when you get better performance and eliminate annoyances by maing very
minor adaptations to help your screen-reader do its job efficiently. I am
not saying you are fanatical, I don't know your general approach. But I've
seen people go through needless inconvenience and unsuccessful attempts to solve
very minor behaviors like this instead of adapting a solution that may take a
quarter second per message.
And here is an example
of a problem both the other screen-reader, I assume you are referring to JAWS,
and NVDA both have. If you do a search on a web page, you hear a lot of
extraneous text. Read current line as soon as the screen-reader starts to
speak eliminates this extra verbiage and may save half a second or a second or
more, when hearing the results of a search.
With the e-mail program
I use, Windows Live Mail, and as I recall, with Outlook Express in the old days,
NVDA would read extraneous information when I returned to the message list after
reading a message. It says things like inbox, Windows Live mail Outlook
Express message list. I can eliminate all this by simply using read
current line. How much time does one command take? a quarter of a
second? It's automatic if you do it for not too long a time.
----- Original Message
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Sent: Friday, February 08,
2019 5:02 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in
the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Yes, but if I don’t
need to perform that extra keystroke with every single Email I open with another
screen reader, which am I going to use?
All the
best
Steve
It is only one more
command. I use it regularly and it takes almost no time and effort because
it becomes automatic. it takes more time and is certainly more annoying to
hear the subject read again and I believe some e-mail programs may read other
extraneous information.
Gene
----- Original Message
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Sent: Thursday, February
07, 2019 9:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in
the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Too many
keystrokes.
All the
best
Steve
You can cause JAWS to
read the message body and not read all that extraneous information by getting in
the habit of issuing read to end after opening a message. You may have to
experiment to see if you have to wait at all before issuing the command.
If you get in the habit of doing this, it becomes automatic and you can do this
very quickly.
----- Original Message
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Sent: Thursday, February
07, 2019 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in
the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Hi
I have Outlook 2007 and
after pressing enter on a message in the folder
list, NVDA reads the text in
the subject box not the whole line, then it
announces the message format,
then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message
document, multi-line", then it
reads the first line of the message
body.
Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: 6 February 2019
15:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Hi,
I'm using Outlook
2016, and it does indeed read the subject line.
All the
best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte
Single
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
No. When I open your
message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject
line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013.
-----Original
Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19
6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Hi,
That's really nothing
to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same
programs.
NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very
good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.
It also
insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I
believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object
descriptions.
JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message
headers in outlook
verbosity.
This is why I say that JAWS is much more
intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of
NVDA's settings. There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like
to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.
All the
best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019
11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda]
OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Jaws seems unable any more to
read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued
software but many still use them like myself with
the former. Its only
Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable email
and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully
limited
windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full
outlook
route.
Brian
bglists@...
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----- Original Message
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From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday,
February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user
using NVDA
> Hi,
>
> In Windows 10, it still has a
hook loaded, but I think that's what
> gives it the
advantage.
>
> You can also run a portable version of JAWS without
the hook though.
>
> All the best
>
>
Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Brian's
> Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 05 February 2019
18:33
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re:
[nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
> OK we will just
use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
> then...grin I do agree
that although the screen and other navigation
> modes are powerful, the
issue is the way to use them for those not
> interested in understanding
objects children and all of that layered
> stuff. Flat review only seems
to be utilising half of the power, but
> since I am not sure what Jaws
actually is doing behind the scenes,
> given they probably harvest
similar data, I'll leave it at that.
> I do notice though that even today,
Jaws has a video interceptor
> loaded in windows 7.
>
Brian
>
> bglists@...
> Sent
via blueyonder.
> Please address personal E-mail to:-
> briang1@..., putting
'Brian Gaff'
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> ----- Original Message
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> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To:
<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
> Subject: [nvda] OK died in the
wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
>
>> Hi
all,
>>
>>
>>
>> With all this talk about
64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
>> say that NVDA, using
CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
>> responsive for me now than
JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, another piece of
good news, my Windows settings in Control
>> Panel in Windows 10 is
now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
>> wouldn't speak any
of that window. I realise it was limited to a few
>>
configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise
>> that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
>> problems with NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>>
In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
>> yet,
>
>> I
>> think that NVDA is coming on
in leaps and bounds.
>>
>>
>>
>> But there
are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example,
>> it
won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
>>
Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one
>>
reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS
>> reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it
too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, flat review and
object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
>> You can't just do
a screen find, and click on it. We really need an
>> equivalent
to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as
well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I keep coming back to
this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
>> screen reader for
everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
>> polish than
NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just one guy's opinion,
don't shoot me.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the
best
>>
>>
>>
Steve
>>
>>
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Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line
Those aren't NVDA commands. They are commands
for the plugin being discussed.
Gene
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 6:08 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's
line
Wow I must say I
didn’t know about those commands, and I thought I knew the NVDA command set
pretty well.
Thanks.
All the
best
steve
Did the friend know
about commands like, as I recall, NVDA shift page up and NVDA shift page
down? I read the included information in one of the e-mail messages and I
believe those are the commands for read to cursor from the left and read from
cursor to the right. If your friend tried the command that cycles through
different options, that would be more cumbersome than the JAWS
method.
-=---- Original Message
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Sent: Friday, February 08,
2019 3:22 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading
parts of the cursor's line
Hi Tyler,
As I'm
discovering NVDA and its famous add-ons, a friend tried yours for me. According
to what he explained to me, your add-on dos the job but using it seems longer
than reading the whole line, and coming back to the cursor whenever it has been
left.
I hoped I could have a way as simple as Jaws does: insert+7 reading
the beginning of the line until the cursor and insert+9 reading the end of the
line from the cursor. It could be nice if we had the same possibility with the
whole sentence, which I don't think Jaws
offers.
Regards,
Robert
-----Message
d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Tyler Spivey
Envoyé : jeudi 7
février 2019 16:33
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda]
Reading parts of the cursor's line
NVDA can't do what you want natively,
but my addon can.
Here's the link again, this time with the readme. I haven't
got it put
on the addons site yet because I didn't think it was all that
useful,
but maybe it is. Let me know how it breaks and I'll try to fix
it.
# Partial Lines
This addon has several operations dealing with
lines:
* NVDA+shift+delete changes the up/down arrows to read from the start
of
the line to the cursor, from the cursor to the end of the line, or the
entire line.
* NVDA+shift+page up reads from the start of the line to the
cursor
* NVDA+shift+page down reads from the cursor to the end of the
line.
https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partialLines-0.1.nvda-addon
On
2/7/2019 7:22 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
> Yes, it is!
>
>
Rkobert
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : nvda@nvda.groups.io
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Steve Nutt
> Envoyé : jeudi 7
février 2019 16:19
> À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Objet : Re:
[nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> I thought NVDA+Down
was read all.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly
the blind tech lover
> Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re:
[nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> Hi.
> Try
pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down
arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Molly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Robert Geoffroy
> Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject:
[nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> Hi, everyone,
>
> This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line
before the cursor and after the cursor as well?
>
> I'm discovering
NVDA with enjoyment!
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
>
Robert
>
>
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What are you basing your disagreement on?
Have you used 32bit Windows and with what memory? Let's see what the
minimum recommendation is for Windows 10 32 bit. I would bet it is 1gb,
perhaps less.
I just looked. Here is the
information:
Of course, people shouldn't run 64 bit Windows with
2GB of RAM. But I have a 4GB of RAM computer and it runs very well.
Maybe if I had programs using a fair amount of memory doing things in the
background, I would have a memory shortage. But in the ways I use the
computer, I don't.
I know that these days,
manufactures often provide 8GB with 64bit Windows and that is a good idea.
its better to have a certain amount extra just in case. But for years, 4GB
was provided by a lot of manufactures in the Windows 7 days and a lot of people
had good results. I doubt Windows 10 is less efficient in use of memory
than Windows 7.
And in the case of 32bit
Windows, since the minimum is 1GB, that means that the ratio is the
same. You have twice as much as the minimum which should be fine for a lot
of users.
Gene
----- Original Message
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
Wow I disagree,
especially if you are multi-tasking, or more accurately, task switching.
2GB isn’t enough with a screen reader.
All the
best
Steve
That is not true.
2GB is fine for 32bit versions of Windows.
----- Original Message
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Sent: Thursday, February
07, 2019 10:27 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems
With NVDA
umm, you're confusing ram and
storage. An SD card won't give you more
ram, that will only provide
more external storage. swapping SD cards
allows you to copy more files
to those cards, but does nothing for your
RAM, which is where programs
run. 2GB is poretty low for any version of
windows, except if you're
using a tablet, there's not much you can do
about it. If you're on a pc,
it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ram in
the computer, providing you have
empty slots or the ram you have isn't
maxed out. Most machines can
only take a limited amount of ram, and you
need to know what that limit is
before trying to upgrade the machine.
However, though I don't know for sure,
it sounds to me like you're
talking about a tablet, in which case, the ram
isn't upgradable.
On 2/7/2019 7:05 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
> Hello
again:
> I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue.
>
Brian, My GBRam is a low grid. It is just 2GB. But even with that
I
> don't have this problem with JAWS. But as I said yesterday,
chrome
> appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, although
firefox
> and internet explorer are almost unusable.
> I am thinking
of increasing my GB ram with an SDCard.
> Regards.
>
Ibrahim.
>
> On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via
Groups.Io
> <bglists@...>
wrote:
>> Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec
machines,
>> certainly.
>>
Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>>
Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>
briang1@..., putting
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>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original
Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
>> To:
<nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda]
Problems With NVDA
>>
>>
>> Use Chrome, it is better
than either Firefox or Internet Explorer.
>>
>> All the
best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original
Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ibrahim Ajayi
>> Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda]
Problems With NVDA
>>
>> Hello:
>> I am having
problems with my NVDA screen reader.
>> The screen reader is just too
slow when I am browsing the internet.
>> When I am doing some other
work like word processing or reading documents
>> off line, it is not
slow.
>> This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't
have this slow
>>
>> problems online with JAWS. I use a
demo copy of JAWS.
>> Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some
times when I launch a web
>> browser like internet explorer or firefox,
I hear "internet explorer
>> unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the
screen goes quiet, and when I press
>> the arrow down key, that is what
I keep hearing. Some times, when I am on a
>>
>> site,
or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and disables
the
>>
>> computer itself. I just have to shut it down,
and then restart it all over
>>
>> again.
>> Does
anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen
reader?
>> I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
>> I have the
latest update of the screen reader.
>> Hope to read a helpful
response.
>> I am
Ibrahim.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line
Yes.
Rui Fontes
Às 13:05 de 08/02/2019, Robert Geoffroy escreveu:
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Rui, are you meaning Tyler's add-on?
Best,
Robert
-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Rui Fontes
Envoyé : vendredi 8 février 2019 13:20
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Those commands are from an addon, they are not native from NVDA.
Rui Fontes
Às 12:08 de 08/02/2019, Steve Nutt escreveu:
Wow I must say I didn’t know about those commands, and I thought I knew
the NVDA command set pretty well.
Thanks.
All the best
steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 08 February 2019 11:06
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Did the friend know about commands like, as I recall, NVDA shift page up
and NVDA shift page down? I read the included information in one of the
e-mail messages and I believe those are the commands for read to cursor
from the left and read from cursor to the right. If your friend tried
the command that cycles through different options, that would be more
cumbersome than the JAWS method.
Gene
-=---- Original Message -----
*From:*Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@free.fr>
*Sent:*Friday, February 08, 2019 3:22 AM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi Tyler,
As I'm discovering NVDA and its famous add-ons, a friend tried yours for
me. According to what he explained to me, your add-on dos the job but
using it seems longer than reading the whole line, and coming back to
the cursor whenever it has been left.
I hoped I could have a way as simple as Jaws does: insert+7 reading the
beginning of the line until the cursor and insert+9 reading the end of
the line from the cursor. It could be nice if we had the same
possibility with the whole sentence, which I don't think Jaws offers.
Regards,
Robert
-----Message d'origine-----
De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Tyler Spivey
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:33
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
NVDA can't do what you want natively, but my addon can.
Here's the link again, this time with the readme. I haven't got it put
on the addons site yet because I didn't think it was all that useful,
but maybe it is. Let me know how it breaks and I'll try to fix it.
# Partial Lines
This addon has several operations dealing with lines:
* NVDA+shift+delete changes the up/down arrows to read from the start of
the line to the cursor, from the cursor to the end of the line, or the
entire line.
* NVDA+shift+page up reads from the start of the line to the cursor
* NVDA+shift+page down reads from the cursor to the end of the line.
https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partialLines-0.1.nvda-addon
On 2/7/2019 7:22 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
> Yes, it is!
>
> Rkobert
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Steve Nutt
> Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19
> À : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> I thought NVDA+Down was read all.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of molly
the blind tech lover
> Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> Hi.
> Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA
plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Molly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Robert
Geoffroy
> Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> Hi, everyone,
>
> This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line
before the cursor and after the cursor as well?
>
> I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Robert
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Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator
Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
Actually, it's narrator. I'm having trouble reading a Microsoft word document. I can see the title bar and the items around it, but I'm having trouble interacting with the text. b
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Re: Need help learning Braille
Thank you guys for your encouragement! I would definitely initiate learning Braille as soon as possible. As many of you have suggested, even if I don't become proficient enough to read books, I would definitely be able to read notes and make presentations more efficiently. Also, I would like to clarify, many of you talked about contracted Braille. Is that similar to learning short hand for the sighted people?
Once again, thank you all for your feedback and support.
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Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line
Rui, are you meaning Tyler's add-on?
Best,
Robert
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-----Message d'origine----- De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Rui Fontes Envoyé : vendredi 8 février 2019 13:20 À : nvda@nvda.groups.io Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line Those commands are from an addon, they are not native from NVDA. Rui Fontes Às 12:08 de 08/02/2019, Steve Nutt escreveu: Wow I must say I didn’t know about those commands, and I thought I knew
the NVDA command set pretty well.
Thanks.
All the best
steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 08 February 2019 11:06
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Did the friend know about commands like, as I recall, NVDA shift page up
and NVDA shift page down? I read the included information in one of the
e-mail messages and I believe those are the commands for read to cursor
from the left and read from cursor to the right. If your friend tried
the command that cycles through different options, that would be more
cumbersome than the JAWS method.
Gene
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*From:*Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@free.fr>
*Sent:*Friday, February 08, 2019 3:22 AM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi Tyler,
As I'm discovering NVDA and its famous add-ons, a friend tried yours for
me. According to what he explained to me, your add-on dos the job but
using it seems longer than reading the whole line, and coming back to
the cursor whenever it has been left.
I hoped I could have a way as simple as Jaws does: insert+7 reading the
beginning of the line until the cursor and insert+9 reading the end of
the line from the cursor. It could be nice if we had the same
possibility with the whole sentence, which I don't think Jaws offers.
Regards,
Robert
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De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Tyler Spivey
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:33
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
NVDA can't do what you want natively, but my addon can.
Here's the link again, this time with the readme. I haven't got it put
on the addons site yet because I didn't think it was all that useful,
but maybe it is. Let me know how it breaks and I'll try to fix it.
# Partial Lines
This addon has several operations dealing with lines:
* NVDA+shift+delete changes the up/down arrows to read from the start of
the line to the cursor, from the cursor to the end of the line, or the
entire line.
* NVDA+shift+page up reads from the start of the line to the cursor
* NVDA+shift+page down reads from the cursor to the end of the line.
https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partialLines-0.1.nvda-addon
On 2/7/2019 7:22 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
> Yes, it is!
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> Rkobert
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> De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Steve Nutt
> Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19
> À : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> I thought NVDA+Down was read all.
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> All the best
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> Steve
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> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of molly
the blind tech lover
> Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> Hi.
> Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA
plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Molly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Robert
Geoffroy
> Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> Hi, everyone,
>
> This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line
before the cursor and after the cursor as well?
>
> I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Robert
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Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?
molly the blind tech lover
NVDA will always be my favorite screen reader. It is very responsive and does everything I need it to do. It's the best ❤
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 12:42 AM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Is NVDA Really Dying? You know, I still have that issue with narator. In my opinion, nvda is what narator should be. I like narator's scan mode but thats it, if nvda could copy the scan mode of narator that would be fine. Narator is not a screen reader. It will never be a screen reader in my view. At most it has been upgraded from an useless crappy gimicy pit of junkware, to a handy and usefull tool with features like the supernova nav mode or jaws virtual curser. These modes can read to a limited extent buttons, images, and a few things. Granted, if you use microsoft programs narator is probably going to be fine with that. Its microsoft so you'd expect it. If all you want to do is use microsoft apps and microsoft software and nothing else, then I guess narator could be classed as a propper screen reader for microsoft software. Its a little hit and miss with everything else though. When it hits and it does mostly then it can be a real help but the chance of a hit and miss are 50 50. Narator is now a nice tool but thats it. To even get close to what nvda is. 1. be scriptable and or have addons to increase its functionality. 2. be able to have nvda's navigation features and usual features of a screenreader. Be able to be used by third parties. In order for the last one, narator source code needs to be released to just about everyone and microsoft won't do that because they won't. Its like windows and a few other things,some stuff ms just will not release. Interestingly I do know that its basically released for free the ms office file engine and most of its kernal, also a lot of windows itself and various components are opensourced or freely available. They don't make it easy though,you need to know how to use what they released to you. I'd really like to know for those that have reviewed narator with a really good rating how much money ms are giving them. Coolblindtech rave about how good narator is. Nvda connects with the os closer than any other reader I have. If narator was truely like that, nvda and just about everything else would be dead and gone. But narator isn't even interacting with the os to the fullest extent that it could. Narator is good to get things going and good to get you out of a tight spot but thats it. For those that say its good, then you are just using it in situations where it can understand things. Now don't get me wrong, narator is no longer crap, its actually a usefull support tool. But depending on it alone well its not really enough. Now if all you use are universal apps and microsoft only software then you don't need anything else. Since most people in this world at least I hope most do use other software then its fine. Actually the only reason mainly that apple voice over itself is so good is that you are locked in to use apple only software with it, there are limitations when using thirdparty software not as bad as narator but there are limits. It does concern me, like others are saying, that while they seem to be improving microsoft don't seem to be trying hard enough. They could distroy vispero, and dolphin and others if they really wanted to. Actually dolphin would probably just quit they seem to be going quite slowly and are still behind on internet brouser access and this is from a current ish user of their software and not a bash. If narator blitsed the industry, its not like they would care if they just went. Vispero would put up a challenge I am sure but exactly why that would be would be unknown. Its a lot of companies put together, its only defence is probably because microsoft didn't previde before they did and they are one of the oldest screenreader companies but thats about it. Lets face it, nvda's opensource nature means it can leap faster than well anyone including microsoft. And while it has its limits to, I do know if microsoft really wanted it they could smash everyone like the hulk, but they don't. There are barely 2 companies that stand in its way, one of them has become bloated and the other one just hangs in there. The only reason they don't is probably because of the reputation of narator mainly maybe and also that a lot of governments and others still use jaws and will do so for some time. Even if everyone went, somehow nvda would probably stay about, its not like nvda and its stuff will ever become an issue for microsoft to deal with, its not like it will ever be a competition type deal for us and microsoft, it does make me wander why they don't just move. Then again it could be simply because they either don't want to or just don't need to. With the net in general going tablet to a bigger degree maybe they want to push that boundary. I do think though that ms lost a great opertunity with windoweyes. There was a joke that ms would buy gwmicro etc but it never happened. They got it with office using windoweyes, but no further. If they brought windoweyes and improved it, then all they would need to do is keep it running with the latest bits and bobs, they wouldn't need narator, and if they did it right they could put it on their microsoft phones and game consoles and suddenly issue solved but they didn't. The only way this could improve would be if microsoft decided to use nvda freely as their reader of choice, maybe asking us first, and they could freely do whatever with the code in any case to a point. Then released narator as opensourced or gave the nvaccess group the source of narator and we combine those. Now that wouldn't be as good as actually grabbing windoweyes when they had the chance but at least there would be room for a functional reader then. Nvda still has some shortcomings but to be honest thats still fine. With the fact that we now need bits of nvda loaded anyway and installed to access some secure screens I want to revisit the interceptor display drivers a lot of readers have. Granted these would be only used if nvda was installed and not generally, heck maybe not all the time only when needed but even if it was all the time or when it was needed, the main reason I was against it is that you didn't have to install nvda, now with win10 you need to install nvda for full functionality so why not nvda needs to be installed anyway and I don't have an issue with that now. Of course interceptors have their issues, taking from and shifting the display devices about, potentially being unstable but still, now everything runs with uia even intercepts while a lot of stuff with the comercial ones has their own drivers it does interface with things. I know we have objectnav but I'd like a dolphin or jaws vertual curser and maybe some sort of scan mode to be toggled on and off. I think that functionality should eventually be something we can probably do without rocking the boat, will have to rename those to something else but we could do it. To my knowledge, nvda is one of the only programs which includes access to a synth like espeak directly as a low quality fast responce synth. Its why I put up with espeak, as while it can be robotic and crappy its really fast and works in most situations. On 8/02/2019 4:49 PM, zahra wrote: i really hate narrator.
do you remember narrator of windows xp which i use?
narrator never supports my native language and even if i can use it, i
can use it for just english!
iven3 and nvda are the best for me and i always appreciate God and
pray that God grants me this grace to use it forever even if one day i
become completely sighted!
i always appreciate developers and sincerely pray for them.
On 2/6/19, Don H <lmddh50@adams.net> wrote:
You know that everything has a life span. I hope NVDA still has a lot
of years ahead of itself but maybe just maybe Narrator will become a
great screen reader and there will be no need for NVDA or Jaws or any
other screen reader.
Right now NVDA is my screen reader of choice with Jaws being my backup
that I very seldom use.
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On 08/02/2019 12:36, Chantelle Buys wrote: Hi.
I'll email you on your own email now if you want?
Chantelle
On 2/8/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
Thanks for sharing some memories of Hula. Such a young dog to die. I
did notice some older dates by your Youtube films, so that explains it.
Some of our chat is going off topic for an NVDA list, so here is my own
E-mail:
TVZ@hotmail.co.uk
More success, I managed to get a WELCOME title on my timeline and it
appeared on the time line just above the first clip.
Best wishes
Andrew
On 08/02/2019 12:14, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hey, I like the video. Who's helping you with it?
Well, sadly my guide dog died last year, the videos on the channel is
all I have left of my guide dog.
She was 7 and a half years old when I had to put her down. I can send
you her story of how she died. She's a golden retriever. One who loved
everyone and who use to talk with a toy in her mouth or hide away your
keys if she got a hold of them.
She use to hug me around my legs when I wanted to leave her at home
and tried to hold on to me for dear life when she had to go for a
wash.
You should really try to get skype, then I could help you with your
videos by listening to where you are at on your movie maker.
Chantelle
On 2/8/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
I don't think I've ever found 'background' in the time line. I'll go
back
and have a look this afternoon, it sounds really useful.
Yes, I really like your channel. I have subscribed already! You have
so
much fun with Hula, what sort of dog is she?? I only have one video, so
far
and my channel is all about getting outside and enjoying nature, so I
have
created a character called Bryan who is far more out-spoken than I am,
here's the link:
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1N-o9BClk
Best wishes
Andrew
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1N-o9BClk
On 08/02/2019 11:46, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
Don't have anything to do so, ask as much as you like.
Well, you can read what you have written, even when you opened the
project again.
Just go to your timeline again and press your arrow keys way to the
right until you hear (Background) and press down. Then you can press
ault and move to the right until you get to text to change whatever
you like to change. You can also hit enter after moving to
(Background) and down to hear your text. So after moving to your text,
hit enter and then you can edit your text.
Did you find my channel and where's your channel so that I could
subscribe to it?
Chantelle
On 2/8/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hello Chantelle
OK. Thank you. I don't want to ask you too many questions, so I will
limit myself to one question a day. I'm sure you've got other things to
do instead of all this good advice for Movie Maker. So, for today I
tried adding a title and credit using the menu options in tools. I can
not find out how to read back what I have set as a title when I close
the project and open it up again. Any ideas or is this beyond the
skills of NVDA?
Andrew
On 08/02/2019 08:10, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
Yes, when you split the video into lets say, ten split videos, you
should have ten clips on the timeline. Just use the arrow kays to go
to each clip or if you know that it was the video after the second
split, you can go to the second video and press space to hear if it's
the one you are looking for and if it is, just press delete.
I always make double sure that it is the clip I want to delete and
then I'll hit delete.
You can also use undo like you would have done in word and the clip
will come back again or if you don't like the effect you have just put
in, you can use undo there as well.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
Thanks so much, that works. Now you say in your example, go back to
where the dog is barking and delete. How do you go back to the barking
part? Do I have to play the video from the start or can I jump from
split to split?
Best wishes
Andrew
On 07/02/2019 16:05, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Okay, here's what you do. If it's a long video, you'll have to listen
to the video and split it every 30/40 counts by pressing the spacebar
to stop the video and then pressing the applications key. There you'll
find the split option, entre on that. Do this throughout your video.
Then you can go back to the video where the part is that you want to
get rid of and split it again.
So, lets say you have a video of a dog running and the dog barks
without warning. You don't want that right?
So, after the barking the dog is still running. You just want the
video without the barking.
Play the video again and cause you might know after how many seconds
the dog will bark, you can stop the video just before the dog barks.
Split it, let the dog bark and split again. Then you can go back to
the bark part and press delete.
There you go, your dog is just running and there's no barking.
To be safe, you can add a cross fade or fade out and in from either
black or white to let people think that the dog was running for a long
time or that it is a new video.
Hope it helps.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
Great advice, thanks. My next challenge is to take out a few seconds
of
video clip from the middle of a longer video. It seems that people
who
can see set some kind of marker at the start and end of the section
they
want to cut out. I have tried using trim, but this cuts the video
before and after the bit I want to cut and when I press cut command
from
the edit menu I am left with only the bit I do not want and the video
parts I do want is deleted.
Andrew
On 07/02/2019 12:47, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
In movie maker you have to go to video tools and tab until you get to
speed. There you can speed up the video. I've tested it and it does
work there.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@gmail.com><mailto:cbuys6@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi.
Movie maker doesn't work as it use to but, wow, I've forgotten about
that effect.
Let me try to speed up a video I have and see if mine works?
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
I'm using NVDA and Windows 10 and I'm trying to apply an effect to
my
video. How can I do this with keyboard commands. I get to the
effects
list and choose 'speed up video' but I can't get it to work.
Andrew
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Chantelle Buys
Hi.
I'll email you on your own email now if you want?
Chantelle
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On 2/8/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: Hi Chantelle
Thanks for sharing some memories of Hula. Such a young dog to die. I
did notice some older dates by your Youtube films, so that explains it.
Some of our chat is going off topic for an NVDA list, so here is my own
E-mail:
TVZ@hotmail.co.uk
More success, I managed to get a WELCOME title on my timeline and it
appeared on the time line just above the first clip.
Best wishes
Andrew
On 08/02/2019 12:14, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hey, I like the video. Who's helping you with it?
Well, sadly my guide dog died last year, the videos on the channel is
all I have left of my guide dog.
She was 7 and a half years old when I had to put her down. I can send
you her story of how she died. She's a golden retriever. One who loved
everyone and who use to talk with a toy in her mouth or hide away your
keys if she got a hold of them.
She use to hug me around my legs when I wanted to leave her at home
and tried to hold on to me for dear life when she had to go for a
wash.
You should really try to get skype, then I could help you with your
videos by listening to where you are at on your movie maker.
Chantelle
On 2/8/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
I don't think I've ever found 'background' in the time line. I'll go
back
and have a look this afternoon, it sounds really useful.
Yes, I really like your channel. I have subscribed already! You have
so
much fun with Hula, what sort of dog is she?? I only have one video, so
far
and my channel is all about getting outside and enjoying nature, so I
have
created a character called Bryan who is far more out-spoken than I am,
here's the link:
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1N-o9BClk
Best wishes
Andrew
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1N-o9BClk
On 08/02/2019 11:46, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
Don't have anything to do so, ask as much as you like.
Well, you can read what you have written, even when you opened the
project again.
Just go to your timeline again and press your arrow keys way to the
right until you hear (Background) and press down. Then you can press
ault and move to the right until you get to text to change whatever
you like to change. You can also hit enter after moving to
(Background) and down to hear your text. So after moving to your text,
hit enter and then you can edit your text.
Did you find my channel and where's your channel so that I could
subscribe to it?
Chantelle
On 2/8/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hello Chantelle
OK. Thank you. I don't want to ask you too many questions, so I will
limit myself to one question a day. I'm sure you've got other things to
do instead of all this good advice for Movie Maker. So, for today I
tried adding a title and credit using the menu options in tools. I can
not find out how to read back what I have set as a title when I close
the project and open it up again. Any ideas or is this beyond the
skills of NVDA?
Andrew
On 08/02/2019 08:10, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
Yes, when you split the video into lets say, ten split videos, you
should have ten clips on the timeline. Just use the arrow kays to go
to each clip or if you know that it was the video after the second
split, you can go to the second video and press space to hear if it's
the one you are looking for and if it is, just press delete.
I always make double sure that it is the clip I want to delete and
then I'll hit delete.
You can also use undo like you would have done in word and the clip
will come back again or if you don't like the effect you have just put
in, you can use undo there as well.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
Thanks so much, that works. Now you say in your example, go back to
where the dog is barking and delete. How do you go back to the barking
part? Do I have to play the video from the start or can I jump from
split to split?
Best wishes
Andrew
On 07/02/2019 16:05, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Okay, here's what you do. If it's a long video, you'll have to listen
to the video and split it every 30/40 counts by pressing the spacebar
to stop the video and then pressing the applications key. There you'll
find the split option, entre on that. Do this throughout your video.
Then you can go back to the video where the part is that you want to
get rid of and split it again.
So, lets say you have a video of a dog running and the dog barks
without warning. You don't want that right?
So, after the barking the dog is still running. You just want the
video without the barking.
Play the video again and cause you might know after how many seconds
the dog will bark, you can stop the video just before the dog barks.
Split it, let the dog bark and split again. Then you can go back to
the bark part and press delete.
There you go, your dog is just running and there's no barking.
To be safe, you can add a cross fade or fade out and in from either
black or white to let people think that the dog was running for a long
time or that it is a new video.
Hope it helps.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
Great advice, thanks. My next challenge is to take out a few seconds
of
video clip from the middle of a longer video. It seems that people
who
can see set some kind of marker at the start and end of the section
they
want to cut out. I have tried using trim, but this cuts the video
before and after the bit I want to cut and when I press cut command
from
the edit menu I am left with only the bit I do not want and the video
parts I do want is deleted.
Andrew
On 07/02/2019 12:47, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
In movie maker you have to go to video tools and tab until you get to
speed. There you can speed up the video. I've tested it and it does
work there.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@gmail.com><mailto:cbuys6@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi.
Movie maker doesn't work as it use to but, wow, I've forgotten about
that effect.
Let me try to speed up a video I have and see if mine works?
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
I'm using NVDA and Windows 10 and I'm trying to apply an effect to
my
video. How can I do this with keyboard commands. I get to the
effects
list and choose 'speed up video' but I can't get it to work.
Andrew
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Hi Chantelle
Thanks for sharing some memories of Hula. Such a young dog to die. I
did notice some older dates by your Youtube films, so that explains it.
Some of our chat is going off topic for an NVDA list, so here is my own
E-mail:
TVZ@hotmail.co.uk
More success, I managed to get a WELCOME title on my timeline and it
appeared on the time line just above the first clip.
Best wishes
Andrew
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On 08/02/2019 12:14, Chantelle Buys wrote: Hey, I like the video. Who's helping you with it?
Well, sadly my guide dog died last year, the videos on the channel is
all I have left of my guide dog.
She was 7 and a half years old when I had to put her down. I can send
you her story of how she died. She's a golden retriever. One who loved
everyone and who use to talk with a toy in her mouth or hide away your
keys if she got a hold of them.
She use to hug me around my legs when I wanted to leave her at home
and tried to hold on to me for dear life when she had to go for a
wash.
You should really try to get skype, then I could help you with your
videos by listening to where you are at on your movie maker.
Chantelle
On 2/8/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
I don't think I've ever found 'background' in the time line. I'll go back
and have a look this afternoon, it sounds really useful.
Yes, I really like your channel. I have subscribed already! You have so
much fun with Hula, what sort of dog is she?? I only have one video, so far
and my channel is all about getting outside and enjoying nature, so I have
created a character called Bryan who is far more out-spoken than I am,
here's the link:
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1N-o9BClk
Best wishes
Andrew
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1N-o9BClk
On 08/02/2019 11:46, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
Don't have anything to do so, ask as much as you like.
Well, you can read what you have written, even when you opened the
project again.
Just go to your timeline again and press your arrow keys way to the
right until you hear (Background) and press down. Then you can press
ault and move to the right until you get to text to change whatever
you like to change. You can also hit enter after moving to
(Background) and down to hear your text. So after moving to your text,
hit enter and then you can edit your text.
Did you find my channel and where's your channel so that I could
subscribe to it?
Chantelle
On 2/8/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hello Chantelle
OK. Thank you. I don't want to ask you too many questions, so I will
limit myself to one question a day. I'm sure you've got other things to
do instead of all this good advice for Movie Maker. So, for today I
tried adding a title and credit using the menu options in tools. I can
not find out how to read back what I have set as a title when I close
the project and open it up again. Any ideas or is this beyond the
skills of NVDA?
Andrew
On 08/02/2019 08:10, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
Yes, when you split the video into lets say, ten split videos, you
should have ten clips on the timeline. Just use the arrow kays to go
to each clip or if you know that it was the video after the second
split, you can go to the second video and press space to hear if it's
the one you are looking for and if it is, just press delete.
I always make double sure that it is the clip I want to delete and
then I'll hit delete.
You can also use undo like you would have done in word and the clip
will come back again or if you don't like the effect you have just put
in, you can use undo there as well.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
Thanks so much, that works. Now you say in your example, go back to
where the dog is barking and delete. How do you go back to the barking
part? Do I have to play the video from the start or can I jump from
split to split?
Best wishes
Andrew
On 07/02/2019 16:05, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Okay, here's what you do. If it's a long video, you'll have to listen
to the video and split it every 30/40 counts by pressing the spacebar
to stop the video and then pressing the applications key. There you'll
find the split option, entre on that. Do this throughout your video.
Then you can go back to the video where the part is that you want to
get rid of and split it again.
So, lets say you have a video of a dog running and the dog barks
without warning. You don't want that right?
So, after the barking the dog is still running. You just want the
video without the barking.
Play the video again and cause you might know after how many seconds
the dog will bark, you can stop the video just before the dog barks.
Split it, let the dog bark and split again. Then you can go back to
the bark part and press delete.
There you go, your dog is just running and there's no barking.
To be safe, you can add a cross fade or fade out and in from either
black or white to let people think that the dog was running for a long
time or that it is a new video.
Hope it helps.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
Great advice, thanks. My next challenge is to take out a few seconds
of
video clip from the middle of a longer video. It seems that people
who
can see set some kind of marker at the start and end of the section
they
want to cut out. I have tried using trim, but this cuts the video
before and after the bit I want to cut and when I press cut command
from
the edit menu I am left with only the bit I do not want and the video
parts I do want is deleted.
Andrew
On 07/02/2019 12:47, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
In movie maker you have to go to video tools and tab until you get to
speed. There you can speed up the video. I've tested it and it does
work there.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@gmail.com><mailto:cbuys6@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi.
Movie maker doesn't work as it use to but, wow, I've forgotten about
that effect.
Let me try to speed up a video I have and see if mine works?
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
I'm using NVDA and Windows 10 and I'm trying to apply an effect to
my
video. How can I do this with keyboard commands. I get to the
effects
list and choose 'speed up video' but I can't get it to work.
Andrew
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Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line
Thought so, they don't work for me without an add-on.
All the best
Steve
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-----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Rui Fontes Sent: 08 February 2019 12:20 To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line Those commands are from an addon, they are not native from NVDA. Rui Fontes Às 12:08 de 08/02/2019, Steve Nutt escreveu: Wow I must say I didn’t know about those commands, and I thought I
knew the NVDA command set pretty well.
Thanks.
All the best
steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 08 February 2019 11:06
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Did the friend know about commands like, as I recall, NVDA shift page
up and NVDA shift page down? I read the included information in one
of the e-mail messages and I believe those are the commands for read
to cursor from the left and read from cursor to the right. If your
friend tried the command that cycles through different options, that
would be more cumbersome than the JAWS method.
Gene
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*From:*Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@free.fr>
*Sent:*Friday, February 08, 2019 3:22 AM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi Tyler,
As I'm discovering NVDA and its famous add-ons, a friend tried yours
for me. According to what he explained to me, your add-on dos the job
but using it seems longer than reading the whole line, and coming back
to the cursor whenever it has been left.
I hoped I could have a way as simple as Jaws does: insert+7 reading
the beginning of the line until the cursor and insert+9 reading the
end of the line from the cursor. It could be nice if we had the same
possibility with the whole sentence, which I don't think Jaws offers.
Regards,
Robert
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De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Tyler Spivey Envoyé : jeudi
7 février 2019 16:33 À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the
cursor's line
NVDA can't do what you want natively, but my addon can.
Here's the link again, this time with the readme. I haven't got it put
on the addons site yet because I didn't think it was all that useful,
but maybe it is. Let me know how it breaks and I'll try to fix it.
# Partial Lines
This addon has several operations dealing with lines:
* NVDA+shift+delete changes the up/down arrows to read from the start
of the line to the cursor, from the cursor to the end of the line, or
the entire line.
* NVDA+shift+page up reads from the start of the line to the cursor
* NVDA+shift+page down reads from the cursor to the end of the line.
https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partial
Lines-0.1.nvda-addon
On 2/7/2019 7:22 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
> Yes, it is!
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> Rkobert
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> De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Steve Nutt > Envoyé :
jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19 > À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of
the cursor's line > > I thought NVDA+Down was read all.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of molly
the blind tech lover > Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00 > To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Subject: Re:
[nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line > > Hi.
> Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press
NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Molly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Robert
Geoffroy > Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM > To:
nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> > Subject: [nvda]
Reading parts of the cursor's line > > Hi, everyone, > > This is
one first question: is there any way to read the current line before
the cursor and after the cursor as well?
>
> I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Robert
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Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
I totally agree, what I started out with were merely observations as to why NVDA isn’t for me the magic bullet. JAWS isn’t either, but it’s closest to it, since Window-Eyes no longer works. All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: 08 February 2019 11:44
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA So just where is this lengthy thread taking us? Where can it possibly go? Surely the jaws users would be better served on a jaws list. Cheers.
On Feb 8, 2019, at 6:02 AM, Steve Nutt <steve@...> wrote:
Yes, but if I don’t need to perform that extra keystroke with every single Email I open with another screen reader, which am I going to use? All the best Steve It is only one more command. I use it regularly and it takes almost no time and effort because it becomes automatic. it takes more time and is certainly more annoying to hear the subject read again and I believe some e-mail programs may read other extraneous information. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Too many keystrokes. All the best
Steve
You can cause JAWS to read the message body and not read all that extraneous information by getting in the habit of issuing read to end after opening a message. You may have to experiment to see if you have to wait at all before issuing the command. If you get in the habit of doing this, it becomes automatic and you can do this very quickly. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi
I have Outlook 2007 and after pressing enter on a message in the folder
list, NVDA reads the text in the subject box not the whole line, then it
announces the message format, then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message
document, multi-line", then it reads the first line of the message body.
Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: 6 February 2019 15:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Hi,
I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Hi,
That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.
NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.
It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.
JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.
This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.
All the best
Steve
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully
limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
Brian
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
> Hi,
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> In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
> gives it the advantage.
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> You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
> Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
> OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
> then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
> modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
> interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
> stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
> since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
> given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
> I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
> loaded in windows 7.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
> Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
>> say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
>> responsive for me now than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
>> Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
>> wouldn't speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few
>> configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise
>> that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
>> problems with NVDA.
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>> In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
>> yet,
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>> think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.
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>> But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example,
>> it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
>> Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one
>> reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS
>> reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.
>>
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>>
>> Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
>> You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an
>> equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
>> screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
>> polish than NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
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Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line
Yes, I take your point. Again, JAWS handles this better because it has beginning and end of table cells. All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 08 February 2019 11:28
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line Not if you are in a structure that sighted people see as a table but that isn't a table according to HTML implementation. And what about on a document that has two columns of text and you want to read one column, then move the cursor to the end of the first column and read the second one? ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line Hi, Wouldn’t control alt up/down arrows move you by table column? All the best Steve I knew about the feature in JAWS but I never understood what it would be used for. Where would it be used? Also, NVDA needs a way, I only saw this ability in the old ASAP DOS screen-reader, to define a column so you can move with the up and down arrow keys or use read to end and only have a certain column of the screen read. Let's say you have a document with three columns and you want to arrow through one column from top to bottom. This can't be done now. It would be useful in some documents and it would be useful on some web sites where tables are laid out visually to look like tables but have no formatting to tell a screen-reader that a table exists. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line Then you want my addon.
It's not on the addon site, but should do what you want.
https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partialLines-0.1.nvda-addon
On 2/7/2019 6:12 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
> No problem to read the current line. I often just need reading the line before and/or after the cursor. For instance, with Jaws, insert+7 enable to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 the line after the cursor ! I'd like to do the same with NVDA.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de molly the blind tech lover
> Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:00
> À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> Hi.
> Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Molly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
> Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> Hi, everyone,
>
> This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?
>
> I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Robert
>
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Re: OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Jean, If you are using a screen reader to do your job, the last thing you want is to have extra keystrokes just for reading Email. There is this thing called efficiency, and JAWS has it more than NVDA at the moment for me. When NVDA starts really addressing efficiency in terms of Outlook and stuff like that, then it’s worth looking at again. For example, in NVDA, you can’t supress what columns are read in an Email, such as replied, attached, unread, etc, in JAWS you can. This means you can remove some you don’t want and make the listening experience much nicer. For example, I remove the Importance flag, because I don’t often get messages that say Importance High, but you can’t get rid of that with NVDA. This is just another area where JAWS is much more efficient than NVDA. If you are just writing the odd Email at home and don’t use it for work, this is OK, but when the rubber hits the road, JAWS has several efficiencies built in, regarding verbosity and such, that NVDA doesn’t accomplish for me. All the best
Steve
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: 08 February 2019 11:26
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA I'd use the one that is free and performs very well. There is such a thing as being fanatically demanding, expecting a screen-reader to do everything perfectly. I've seen others engage in this sort of fanaticism. Because screen-readers are what they are, and because Windows and Windows programs are what they are, there are times when you get better performance and eliminate annoyances by maing very minor adaptations to help your screen-reader do its job efficiently. I am not saying you are fanatical, I don't know your general approach. But I've seen people go through needless inconvenience and unsuccessful attempts to solve very minor behaviors like this instead of adapting a solution that may take a quarter second per message. And here is an example of a problem both the other screen-reader, I assume you are referring to JAWS, and NVDA both have. If you do a search on a web page, you hear a lot of extraneous text. Read current line as soon as the screen-reader starts to speak eliminates this extra verbiage and may save half a second or a second or more, when hearing the results of a search. With the e-mail program I use, Windows Live Mail, and as I recall, with Outlook Express in the old days, NVDA would read extraneous information when I returned to the message list after reading a message. It says things like inbox, Windows Live mail Outlook Express message list. I can eliminate all this by simply using read current line. How much time does one command take? a quarter of a second? It's automatic if you do it for not too long a time. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 5:02 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Yes, but if I don’t need to perform that extra keystroke with every single Email I open with another screen reader, which am I going to use? All the best Steve It is only one more command. I use it regularly and it takes almost no time and effort because it becomes automatic. it takes more time and is certainly more annoying to hear the subject read again and I believe some e-mail programs may read other extraneous information. Gene ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Too many keystrokes. All the best
Steve
You can cause JAWS to read the message body and not read all that extraneous information by getting in the habit of issuing read to end after opening a message. You may have to experiment to see if you have to wait at all before issuing the command. If you get in the habit of doing this, it becomes automatic and you can do this very quickly. ----- Original Message ----- Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 5:33 AM Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA Hi
I have Outlook 2007 and after pressing enter on a message in the folder
list, NVDA reads the text in the subject box not the whole line, then it
announces the message format, then the control type i.e "Dialog, Message
document, multi-line", then it reads the first line of the message body.
Cheers
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: 6 February 2019 15:09
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Hi,
I'm using Outlook 2016, and it does indeed read the subject line.
All the best
Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: 06 February 2019 13:03
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
No. When I open your message, nvda reads the body of the message, it does
not read the subject line. Yes, I am using outlook 2013.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Steve
Nutt
Sent: February-06-19 6:50 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Hi,
That's really nothing to do with the differences between JAWS and NVDA,
performing with the same programs.
NVDA is a lot more responsive using Outlook, but it is not very good at
reading the unread messages in the folder tree.
It also insists on reading the subject line again when you open a message,
though I believe you can kill this by making a profile and turning off
object descriptions.
JAWS is more intuitive, just turn off reading message headers in outlook
verbosity.
This is why I say that JAWS is much more intuitive, you have to dive into
some techie detail to figure out some of NVDA's settings. There is also no
search for settings in NVDA, I'd like to see this kind of thing, JAWS does
it so well.
All the best
Steve
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail
list account via Groups.Io
Sent: 06 February 2019 11:41
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
Jaws seems unable any more to read some of the flags on Outlook Express and
live mail.OK discontinued software but many still use them like myself with
the former. Its only Microsoft who seem to not want to develop whatwas a
very capable email and newsgroup program and chose to use the awfully
limited windows 10 mail instead or force everyone down the full outlook
route.
Brian
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From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 9:17 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
> Hi,
>
> In Windows 10, it still has a hook loaded, but I think that's what
> gives it the advantage.
>
> You can also run a portable version of JAWS without the hook though.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's
> Mail list account via Groups.Io
> Sent: 05 February 2019 18:33
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
> OK we will just use a 1 ton weight instead hanging from a crane
> then...grin I do agree that although the screen and other navigation
> modes are powerful, the issue is the way to use them for those not
> interested in understanding objects children and all of that layered
> stuff. Flat review only seems to be utilising half of the power, but
> since I am not sure what Jaws actually is doing behind the scenes,
> given they probably harvest similar data, I'll leave it at that.
> I do notice though that even today, Jaws has a video interceptor
> loaded in windows 7.
> Brian
>
> bglists@...
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 5:03 PM
> Subject: [nvda] OK died in the wool JAWS user using NVDA
>
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>> With all this talk about 64-bit NVDA would be a lot better, I have to
>> say that NVDA, using CodeFactory's Eloquence add-on, is more
>> responsive for me now than JAWS.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, another piece of good news, my Windows settings in Control
>> Panel in Windows 10 is now accessible with NVDA, whereas for ages, it
>> wouldn't speak any of that window. I realise it was limited to a few
>> configurations, but it sure was annoying at the time. I also realise
>> that these problems are borne of problems with UIA, rather than
>> problems with NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> In short, although I have, and will continue to, use JAWS for a while
>> yet,
>
>> I
>> think that NVDA is coming on in leaps and bounds.
>>
>>
>>
>> But there are one or two very silly things about NVDA. For example,
>> it won't read how many messages are unread in a folder, when you
>> Control+Y in Outlook. This is seriously annoying to me and one
>> reason I couldn't use it full time. It is visually there, and JAWS
>> reads it, so in my view, by now, NVDA should read it too.
>>
>>
>>
>> Also, flat review and object nav is not as intuitive as the JAWS cursor.
>> You can't just do a screen find, and click on it. We really need an
>> equivalent to Hotspot Clicker in NVDA as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> I keep coming back to this, because I want NVDA to be the go-to
>> screen reader for everyone, but I think JAWS still has a little more
>> polish than NVDA.
>>
>>
>>
>> Just one guy's opinion, don't shoot me.
>>
>>
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
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Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator
Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
THank you for the information.
I'm trying narrator now to get a better feel for it, but I'm having trouble navigating word documents. It doesn't want to read the text in the document. Is there something special you have to do with Microsoft word to make it read the documents?
Thanks Chris
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Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line
Those commands are from an addon, they are not native from NVDA.
Rui Fontes
Às 12:08 de 08/02/2019, Steve Nutt escreveu:
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Wow I must say I didn’t know about those commands, and I thought I knew the NVDA command set pretty well.
Thanks.
All the best
steve
*From:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Gene
*Sent:* 08 February 2019 11:06
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Did the friend know about commands like, as I recall, NVDA shift page up and NVDA shift page down? I read the included information in one of the e-mail messages and I believe those are the commands for read to cursor from the left and read from cursor to the right. If your friend tried the command that cycles through different options, that would be more cumbersome than the JAWS method.
Gene
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*From:*Robert Geoffroy <mailto:robert.geoffroy77@free.fr>
*Sent:*Friday, February 08, 2019 3:22 AM
*To:*nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
*Subject:*Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi Tyler,
As I'm discovering NVDA and its famous add-ons, a friend tried yours for me. According to what he explained to me, your add-on dos the job but using it seems longer than reading the whole line, and coming back to the cursor whenever it has been left.
I hoped I could have a way as simple as Jaws does: insert+7 reading the beginning of the line until the cursor and insert+9 reading the end of the line from the cursor. It could be nice if we had the same possibility with the whole sentence, which I don't think Jaws offers.
Regards,
Robert
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De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Tyler Spivey
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:33
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
NVDA can't do what you want natively, but my addon can.
Here's the link again, this time with the readme. I haven't got it put
on the addons site yet because I didn't think it was all that useful,
but maybe it is. Let me know how it breaks and I'll try to fix it.
# Partial Lines
This addon has several operations dealing with lines:
* NVDA+shift+delete changes the up/down arrows to read from the start of
the line to the cursor, from the cursor to the end of the line, or the
entire line.
* NVDA+shift+page up reads from the start of the line to the cursor
* NVDA+shift+page down reads from the cursor to the end of the line.
https://github.com/tspivey/partialLines/releases/download/v0.1/partialLines-0.1.nvda-addon
On 2/7/2019 7:22 AM, Robert Geoffroy wrote:
> Yes, it is!
>
> Rkobert
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de Steve Nutt
> Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 16:19
> À : nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> I thought NVDA+Down was read all.
>
> All the best
>
> Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
> Sent: 07 February 2019 14:00
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> Hi.
> Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA
plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
> Hope this helps.
>
>
> Molly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
> Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
> Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
>
> Hi, everyone,
>
> This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line
before the cursor and after the cursor as well?
>
> I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!
>
> Thanks a lot,
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Chantelle Buys
Hey, I like the video. Who's helping you with it?
Well, sadly my guide dog died last year, the videos on the channel is
all I have left of my guide dog.
She was 7 and a half years old when I had to put her down. I can send
you her story of how she died. She's a golden retriever. One who loved
everyone and who use to talk with a toy in her mouth or hide away your
keys if she got a hold of them.
She use to hug me around my legs when I wanted to leave her at home
and tried to hold on to me for dear life when she had to go for a
wash.
You should really try to get skype, then I could help you with your
videos by listening to where you are at on your movie maker.
Chantelle
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On 2/8/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: Hi Chantelle
I don't think I've ever found 'background' in the time line. I'll go back
and have a look this afternoon, it sounds really useful.
Yes, I really like your channel. I have subscribed already! You have so
much fun with Hula, what sort of dog is she?? I only have one video, so far
and my channel is all about getting outside and enjoying nature, so I have
created a character called Bryan who is far more out-spoken than I am,
here's the link:
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1N-o9BClk
Best wishes
Andrew
Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yz1N-o9BClk
On 08/02/2019 11:46, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
Don't have anything to do so, ask as much as you like.
Well, you can read what you have written, even when you opened the
project again.
Just go to your timeline again and press your arrow keys way to the
right until you hear (Background) and press down. Then you can press
ault and move to the right until you get to text to change whatever
you like to change. You can also hit enter after moving to
(Background) and down to hear your text. So after moving to your text,
hit enter and then you can edit your text.
Did you find my channel and where's your channel so that I could
subscribe to it?
Chantelle
On 2/8/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hello Chantelle
OK. Thank you. I don't want to ask you too many questions, so I will
limit myself to one question a day. I'm sure you've got other things to
do instead of all this good advice for Movie Maker. So, for today I
tried adding a title and credit using the menu options in tools. I can
not find out how to read back what I have set as a title when I close
the project and open it up again. Any ideas or is this beyond the
skills of NVDA?
Andrew
On 08/02/2019 08:10, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
Yes, when you split the video into lets say, ten split videos, you
should have ten clips on the timeline. Just use the arrow kays to go
to each clip or if you know that it was the video after the second
split, you can go to the second video and press space to hear if it's
the one you are looking for and if it is, just press delete.
I always make double sure that it is the clip I want to delete and
then I'll hit delete.
You can also use undo like you would have done in word and the clip
will come back again or if you don't like the effect you have just put
in, you can use undo there as well.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
Thanks so much, that works. Now you say in your example, go back to
where the dog is barking and delete. How do you go back to the barking
part? Do I have to play the video from the start or can I jump from
split to split?
Best wishes
Andrew
On 07/02/2019 16:05, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Okay, here's what you do. If it's a long video, you'll have to listen
to the video and split it every 30/40 counts by pressing the spacebar
to stop the video and then pressing the applications key. There you'll
find the split option, entre on that. Do this throughout your video.
Then you can go back to the video where the part is that you want to
get rid of and split it again.
So, lets say you have a video of a dog running and the dog barks
without warning. You don't want that right?
So, after the barking the dog is still running. You just want the
video without the barking.
Play the video again and cause you might know after how many seconds
the dog will bark, you can stop the video just before the dog barks.
Split it, let the dog bark and split again. Then you can go back to
the bark part and press delete.
There you go, your dog is just running and there's no barking.
To be safe, you can add a cross fade or fade out and in from either
black or white to let people think that the dog was running for a long
time or that it is a new video.
Hope it helps.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Hi Chantelle
Great advice, thanks. My next challenge is to take out a few seconds
of
video clip from the middle of a longer video. It seems that people
who
can see set some kind of marker at the start and end of the section
they
want to cut out. I have tried using trim, but this cuts the video
before and after the bit I want to cut and when I press cut command
from
the edit menu I am left with only the bit I do not want and the video
parts I do want is deleted.
Andrew
On 07/02/2019 12:47, Chantelle Buys wrote:
Hi.
In movie maker you have to go to video tools and tab until you get to
speed. There you can speed up the video. I've tested it and it does
work there.
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, Chantelle Buys <cbuys6@gmail.com><mailto:cbuys6@gmail.com>
wrote:
Hi.
Movie maker doesn't work as it use to but, wow, I've forgotten about
that effect.
Let me try to speed up a video I have and see if mine works?
Chantelle
On 2/7/19, AKH AKH <tvz@hotmail.co.uk><mailto:tvz@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
I'm using NVDA and Windows 10 and I'm trying to apply an effect to
my
video. How can I do this with keyboard commands. I get to the
effects
list and choose 'speed up video' but I can't get it to work.
Andrew
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Re: Reading parts of the cursor's line
I tried this in ms Word and it works without moving the Word cursor. You can move any number of lines within the current screen, in addition, Numpad keys 4, 5 and 6 will read previous, current and next word on a line and numpad keys 1, 2 and 3 will do the same by character.
Cheers
Chris
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Chris Mullins via Groups.Io
Sent: 8 February 2019 11:27
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi Robert
Assuming desktop keyboard layout, try switching on "Caret moves review cursor" (NVDA+6 on number row), then use numpad 7, 8 and 9 keys alone to read previous, current and next lines.
Cheers
Chris
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: 7 February 2019 14:12
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
No problem to read the current line. I often just need reading the line before and/or after the cursor. For instance, with Jaws, insert+7 enable to read the line before the cursor and insert+9 the line after the cursor ! I'd like to do the same with NVDA.
Thanks,
Robert
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De : nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] De la part de molly the blind tech lover
Envoyé : jeudi 7 février 2019 15:00
À : nvda@nvda.groups.io
Objet : Re: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi.
Try pressing NVDA plus L. NVDA will read the current line. Press NVDA plus down arrow. NVDA will read the next line.
Hope this helps.
Molly
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Robert Geoffroy
Sent: Thursday, February 7, 2019 7:30 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] Reading parts of the cursor's line
Hi, everyone,
This is one first question: is there any way to read the current line before the cursor and after the cursor as well?
I'm discovering NVDA with enjoyment!
Thanks a lot,
Robert
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