I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE
for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to
access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still
working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't
understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated
and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me,
there's really not that much difference in using one of the other
browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a
lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I
haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox
work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:

Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief
(
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired,
nothing will.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

.

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to windows 7 and that system had Microsoft Anna.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

 

On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.

- Brad -

 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

I hadn't thought of that.


On 2/8/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:

This is interesting. So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch
Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed it
since then, but how many people take the time to do so?


On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Article that came out today in /The Telegraph/ newspaper in the UK:

/Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/>/

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

.

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 03:42 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’m assuming Narrator in windows 7 was in the settings app?

Pretty much everything, prior to Windows 10 (maybe 8, but I ignore 8 by and large) that's now in Settings was in Control Panel.  I would be shocked if it weren't in Ease of Access (I think they called it that, otherwise check Accessibility).  My memory of Control Panel from 2 Windows OS generations ago is far from perfect.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

I’m assuming Narrator in windows 7 was in the settings app? I don’t think my machine even had a settings app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Yes.  Windows 7 had Narrator.

 

On 2/8/2019 3:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 03:06 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

There's been a version of Narrator around for a very long time.  Prior to Windows 10 it really was a joke.

Microsoft started taking accessibility much more seriously starting with Windows 8, with lots of refining occurring after that (and still ongoing).  Even Narrator in Windows 10 prior to Version 1809 is not the same animal as Narrator now (with now being Version 1809).

Hence my reaction earlier about talking about things that have the same name, under different versions of Windows, being senseless.  Even talking pre-1809 and post-1809 Narrator in Windows 10 is, if not apples and oranges, is kumquats and oranges.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

But again, you don't say if you have run 32bit Windows or just 64bit
windows. I don't think 64bit Windows 7 or higher, perhaps Vista as well,
should be run with less than 4GB. But 32bit Windows is a different matter.
Almost anyone who ran XP used 32bit Windows.

I'm not saying 32bit Windows 10 needs as little RAM as 32 bit XP. I'm
saying that it should run well with 2gb of ram in most or the majority of
cases.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


Xp would run on 1gb, but it didn't run well. windows 7 plus won't run well
on 2gb. I have 4 in my windows 8.1 machine, and most of the time it behaves
ok, but at times when I have things going on in the background while doing
other things, even that bogs down.

XP can certainly run on 512MB, Heck, I ran it on 256MB at times, though it's
not recommended. My personal experience is that windows is not happy with
less than 4GB once you get out of the XP stage.


On 2/8/2019 2:40 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you basing these comments on personal experience of running 32bit
Windows with 2GB? That is 1Gb over the Microsoft minimum. I don't agree
with your assessment. I had a Windows XP machine with only 512MB of RAM and
it ran well. I have a 32GB Windows 7 laptop with 4GB of RAM. It runs
well.


From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 12:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


Sure it is, if you don't multitask, (have multiple programs open at once),
leave programs open for hours at a time, and reboot regularly (meaning every
day or two), and don't run programs like microsoft office which has some
memory leaks that tend to eat memory the longer they're left open. For some
values of normal usage, yes, 2GB is fine, but for the rest of us, 2GB barely
qualifies as enough to run windows os by itself. Tablets are different,
since they have a (slightly) different version of windows that optimizes
memory usage, but normal windows, under normal usage patterns, it will not
be happy with only 2GB of ram, because it will have to swap a lot, and that
will slow things down. There's a reason computers seem to appear so much
faster when upgraded from 2 to 4GB of ram in every single case I've seen,
and it's because memory swapping doesn't have to occur nearly as often, and
that makes the system much faster overall. Sure, you can get along with 2GB
of ram, but it's like driving a bicycle to get around as opposed to a
motorcycle. Sure, the bicycle will work, but the motorcycle is considerably
faster, and can do things the bicycle can't. Same thing with 2 vs. 4 GB of
ram on windows.

Don't fool yourself, there's a reason windows states 2GB as a minimum,
it's just that, the minimum required to run the os. That doesn't mean the
os will run optimally or even perform adequately, just that it will run.


On 2/8/2019 5:54 AM, Gene wrote:

That is not true. 2GB is fine for 32bit versions of Windows.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 10:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


umm, you're confusing ram and storage. An SD card won't give you more
ram, that will only provide more external storage. swapping SD cards
allows you to copy more files to those cards, but does nothing for your

RAM, which is where programs run. 2GB is poretty low for any version of

windows, except if you're using a tablet, there's not much you can do
about it. If you're on a pc, it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ram in
the computer, providing you have empty slots or the ram you have isn't
maxed out. Most machines can only take a limited amount of ram, and you

need to know what that limit is before trying to upgrade the machine.
However, though I don't know for sure, it sounds to me like you're
talking about a tablet, in which case, the ram isn't upgradable.

On 2/7/2019 7:05 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
> Hello again:
> I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue.
> Brian, My GBRam is a low grid. It is just 2GB. But even with that I
> don't have this problem with JAWS. But as I said yesterday, chrome
> appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, although
firefox
> and internet explorer are almost unusable.
> I am thinking of increasing my GB ram with an SDCard.
> Regards.
> Ibrahim.
>
> On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>> Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec machines,
>> certainly.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>>
>>
>> Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim
Ajayi
>> Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>>
>> Hello:
>> I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
>> The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
>> When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading
documents
>> off line, it is not slow.
>> This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have
this slow
>>
>> problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS.
>> Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a
web
>> browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet explorer
>> unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when I
press
>> the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some times, when I
am on a
>>
>> site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and
disables the
>>
>> computer itself. I just have to shut it down, and then restart it
all over
>>
>> again.
>> Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen
reader?
>> I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
>> I have the latest update of the screen reader.
>> Hope to read a helpful response.
>> I am Ibrahim.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>





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On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:49 PM, zahra wrote:

i really hate narrator.
do you remember narrator of windows xp which i use?

Which has absolutely, positively nothing to do with Narrator as implemented
today. Just as the Windows Defender that's on XP has absolutely nothing to
do with the Windows Defender, now Windows Security as of Version 1809, on
Windows 10 today.

I have come to accept that, for whatever reason, you are clinging to XP like
it's God's gift to mankind. What I cannot accept is making any comments
about any software that happens to share the same name, but nothing else,
with the long unsupported Windows XP and it's components.

Talking about these as if they are even similar is senseless.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.

- Brad -

 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

Didn’t Narrator used to use something called Microsoft sam? I only know that because people have made hilarious youtube videos about Microsoft sam.

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.

- Brad -

 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
chief (
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

This is interesting.  So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed it since then, but how many people take the time to do so?

On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

          Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired, nothing will.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

This is interesting. So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch
Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed it
since then, but how many people take the time to do so?


On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Article that came out today in /The Telegraph/ newspaper in the UK:

/Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/>/

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"