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Re: Problems With NVDA

Gene
 

I don't know anything about your computer and whether it meets the Microsoft specifications for Windows 7.  there is a lot more involved than RAM in determining whether a computer can run Windows 7.  I don't have the technical knowledge to discuss the question but maybe others will.  2.5GB is enough for 32 bit Windows 7.  I would think it wouldn't matter whether you are using Home or Pro.  It's mostly the same but pro has more features.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 12:17 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

how about windows 7?
i just requested one computer service to install windows 7 for me,
when i used it, i experienced heating my system and even wordpad was
unusable for me.
using firefox was more difficult than xp for me and caused more
heating my system and more slowness and silence in nvda!
the windows 7 was 32bit pro, but now, someone told me that if i use
windows 7 home premium, i dont experience such issues and this version
of windows can make me satisfied.

On 2/8/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> If you are using 32 bit Windows, you have plenty of RAM.  Especially if you
> are using XP, that is much more than is needed by most people..
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: zahra
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:04 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>
>
> hi gene and all again.
> whats the best memory for my system?
> i turn on my laptop in the morning and use it till the midnight.
> then i turn it off until tomorrow.
>
> i only use my system for, browsing, notepad plus plus, playing audio
> files with mpchc and sometimes editing files with mp3 direct cut or
> converting video files in to audio.
> i also had libreoffice previously and wish to install it again, but
> using it is difficult specially for me who want to read and edit
> Islamic books with it.
> but for browsing the web, when javascript is enabled, nvda most times
> is slow and even silent when i use it for example in quora websites
> and other sites that require javascript.
> even nvda is silent and does not work and does not say anything when i
> use arrow keys, brows mode does not work and i only hear the name of
> website without anything else!
> i heard that i cant upgrade my cpu, but my system has 2core cpu and
> 2.5 gb of ram.
> this is the reason that i sometimes the best version of nvda which i
> use forever is 2017.1 and sometimes told 2017.2 or maybe 2016.4!
> because 2017.2 has one important bug fix which i really need to
> preserve my numeroussettings, but it has the issue which i mentioned
> in firefox.
> also, 2017.1 is very better than other version for me in using
> firefox, i believe at least since 2016.1 or even maybe 2015.4!
> what should i do in this case?
> On 2/8/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
>> But again, you don't say if you have run 32bit Windows or just 64bit
>> windows.  I don't think 64bit Windows 7 or higher, perhaps Vista as well,
>> should be run with less than 4GB.  But 32bit Windows is a different
>> matter.
>> Almost anyone who ran XP used 32bit Windows.
>>
>> I'm not saying 32bit Windows 10 needs as little RAM as 32 bit XP.  I'm
>> saying that it should run well with 2gb of ram in most or the majority of
>> cases.
>>
>> Gene
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Travis Siegel
>> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 2:14 PM
>> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>>
>>
>> Xp would run on 1gb, but it didn't run well.  windows 7 plus won't run
>> well
>> on 2gb.  I have 4 in my windows 8.1 machine, and most of the time it
>> behaves
>> ok, but at times when I have things going on in the background while
>> doing
>> other things, even that bogs down.
>>
>> XP can certainly run on 512MB, Heck, I ran it on 256MB at times, though
>> it's
>> not recommended.  My personal experience is that windows is not happy
>> with
>> less than 4GB once you get out of the XP stage.
>>
>>
>> On 2/8/2019 2:40 PM, Gene wrote:
>>
>>   Are you basing these comments on personal experience of running 32bit
>> Windows with 2GB?  That is 1Gb over the Microsoft minimum.  I don't agree
>> with your assessment.  I had a Windows XP machine with only 512MB of RAM
>> and
>> it ran well.  I have a 32GB Windows 7 laptop with 4GB of RAM.  It runs
>> well.
>>
>>
>>   From: Travis Siegel
>>   Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 12:50 PM
>>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>   Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>>
>>
>>   Sure it is, if you don't multitask, (have multiple programs open at
>> once),
>> leave programs open for hours at a time, and reboot regularly (meaning
>> every
>> day or two), and don't run programs like microsoft office which has some
>> memory leaks that tend to eat memory the longer they're left open.  For
>> some
>> values of normal usage, yes, 2GB is fine, but for the rest of us, 2GB
>> barely
>> qualifies as enough to run windows os by itself.  Tablets are different,
>> since they have a (slightly) different version of windows that optimizes
>> memory usage, but normal windows, under normal usage patterns, it will
>> not
>> be happy with only 2GB of ram, because it will have to swap a lot, and
>> that
>> will slow things down.  There's a reason computers seem to appear so much
>> faster when upgraded from 2 to 4GB of ram in every single case I've seen,
>> and it's because memory swapping doesn't have to occur nearly as often,
>> and
>> that makes the system much faster overall.  Sure, you can get along with
>> 2GB
>> of ram, but it's like driving a bicycle to get around as opposed to a
>> motorcycle.  Sure, the bicycle will work, but the motorcycle is
>> considerably
>> faster, and can do things the bicycle can't.  Same thing with 2 vs. 4 GB
>> of
>> ram on windows.
>>
>>   Don't fool yourself, there's a reason windows states 2GB as a minimum,
>> it's just that, the minimum required to run the os.  That doesn't mean
>> the
>> os will run optimally or even perform adequately, just that it will run.
>>
>>
>>   On 2/8/2019 5:54 AM, Gene wrote:
>>
>>     That is not true.  2GB is fine for 32bit versions of Windows.
>>
>>     Gene
>>     ----- Original Message -----
>>
>>     From: Travis Siegel
>>     Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 10:27 PM
>>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>>     Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>>
>>
>>     umm, you're confusing ram and storage.  An SD card won't give you
>> more
>>     ram, that will only provide more external storage.  swapping SD cards
>>     allows you to copy more files to those cards, but does nothing for
>> your
>>
>>     RAM, which is where programs run.  2GB is poretty low for any version
>> of
>>
>>     windows, except if you're using a tablet, there's not much you can do
>>     about it. If you're on a pc, it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ram
>> in
>>     the computer, providing you have empty slots or the ram you have
>> isn't
>>     maxed out.  Most machines can only take a limited amount of ram, and
>> you
>>
>>     need to know what that limit is before trying to upgrade the machine.
>>     However, though I don't know for sure, it sounds to me like you're
>>     talking about a tablet, in which case, the ram isn't upgradable.
>>
>>     On 2/7/2019 7:05 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
>>     > Hello again:
>>     > I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue.
>>     > Brian, My GBRam is a low grid.  It is just 2GB.  But even with that
>> I
>>     > don't have this problem with JAWS.  But as I said yesterday, chrome
>>     > appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, although
>> firefox
>>     > and internet explorer are almost unusable.
>>     > I am thinking of increasing my GB ram with an SDCard.
>>     > Regards.
>>     > Ibrahim.
>>     >
>>     > On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>>     > <bglists@...> wrote:
>>     >> Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec machines,
>>     >> certainly.
>>     >>   Brian
>>     >>
>>     >> bglists@...
>>     >> Sent via blueyonder.
>>     >> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>>     >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>>     >> in the display name field.
>>     >> ----- Original Message -----
>>     >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
>>     >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>>     >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM
>>     >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >> Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer.
>>     >>
>>     >> All the best
>>     >>
>>     >> Steve
>>     >>
>>     >> -----Original Message-----
>>     >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
>> Ibrahim
>> Ajayi
>>     >> Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07
>>     >> To: nvda@groups.io
>>     >> Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>>     >>
>>     >> Hello:
>>     >> I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
>>     >> The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the
>> internet.
>>     >> When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading
>> documents
>>     >> off line, it is not slow.
>>     >> This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have
>> this slow
>>     >>
>>     >> problems online with JAWS.  I use a demo copy of JAWS.
>>     >> Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch
>> a
>> web
>>     >> browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet
>> explorer
>>     >> unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when
>> I
>> press
>>     >> the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing.  Some times, when
>> I
>> am on a
>>     >>
>>     >> site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and
>> disables the
>>     >>
>>     >> computer itself.  I just have to shut it down, and then restart it
>> all over
>>     >>
>>     >> again.
>>     >> Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen
>> reader?
>>     >> I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
>>     >> I have the latest update of the screen reader.
>>     >> Hope to read a helpful response.
>>     >> I am Ibrahim.
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >>
>>     >
>>     >
>>     >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
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> were I given all the seven heavens
> with all they contain
> in order that
> I may disobey God
> by depriving an ant
> from the husk of a grain of barley,
> I would not do it.
> imam ali
>
>
>
>
>
>


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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Problems With NVDA

 

how about windows 7?
i just requested one computer service to install windows 7 for me,
when i used it, i experienced heating my system and even wordpad was
unusable for me.
using firefox was more difficult than xp for me and caused more
heating my system and more slowness and silence in nvda!
the windows 7 was 32bit pro, but now, someone told me that if i use
windows 7 home premium, i dont experience such issues and this version
of windows can make me satisfied.

On 2/8/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
If you are using 32 bit Windows, you have plenty of RAM. Especially if you
are using XP, that is much more than is needed by most people..

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: zahra
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


hi gene and all again.
whats the best memory for my system?
i turn on my laptop in the morning and use it till the midnight.
then i turn it off until tomorrow.

i only use my system for, browsing, notepad plus plus, playing audio
files with mpchc and sometimes editing files with mp3 direct cut or
converting video files in to audio.
i also had libreoffice previously and wish to install it again, but
using it is difficult specially for me who want to read and edit
Islamic books with it.
but for browsing the web, when javascript is enabled, nvda most times
is slow and even silent when i use it for example in quora websites
and other sites that require javascript.
even nvda is silent and does not work and does not say anything when i
use arrow keys, brows mode does not work and i only hear the name of
website without anything else!
i heard that i cant upgrade my cpu, but my system has 2core cpu and
2.5 gb of ram.
this is the reason that i sometimes the best version of nvda which i
use forever is 2017.1 and sometimes told 2017.2 or maybe 2016.4!
because 2017.2 has one important bug fix which i really need to
preserve my numeroussettings, but it has the issue which i mentioned
in firefox.
also, 2017.1 is very better than other version for me in using
firefox, i believe at least since 2016.1 or even maybe 2015.4!
what should i do in this case?
On 2/8/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But again, you don't say if you have run 32bit Windows or just 64bit
windows. I don't think 64bit Windows 7 or higher, perhaps Vista as well,
should be run with less than 4GB. But 32bit Windows is a different
matter.
Almost anyone who ran XP used 32bit Windows.

I'm not saying 32bit Windows 10 needs as little RAM as 32 bit XP. I'm
saying that it should run well with 2gb of ram in most or the majority of
cases.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


Xp would run on 1gb, but it didn't run well. windows 7 plus won't run
well
on 2gb. I have 4 in my windows 8.1 machine, and most of the time it
behaves
ok, but at times when I have things going on in the background while
doing
other things, even that bogs down.

XP can certainly run on 512MB, Heck, I ran it on 256MB at times, though
it's
not recommended. My personal experience is that windows is not happy
with
less than 4GB once you get out of the XP stage.


On 2/8/2019 2:40 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you basing these comments on personal experience of running 32bit
Windows with 2GB? That is 1Gb over the Microsoft minimum. I don't agree
with your assessment. I had a Windows XP machine with only 512MB of RAM
and
it ran well. I have a 32GB Windows 7 laptop with 4GB of RAM. It runs
well.


From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 12:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


Sure it is, if you don't multitask, (have multiple programs open at
once),
leave programs open for hours at a time, and reboot regularly (meaning
every
day or two), and don't run programs like microsoft office which has some
memory leaks that tend to eat memory the longer they're left open. For
some
values of normal usage, yes, 2GB is fine, but for the rest of us, 2GB
barely
qualifies as enough to run windows os by itself. Tablets are different,
since they have a (slightly) different version of windows that optimizes
memory usage, but normal windows, under normal usage patterns, it will
not
be happy with only 2GB of ram, because it will have to swap a lot, and
that
will slow things down. There's a reason computers seem to appear so much
faster when upgraded from 2 to 4GB of ram in every single case I've seen,
and it's because memory swapping doesn't have to occur nearly as often,
and
that makes the system much faster overall. Sure, you can get along with
2GB
of ram, but it's like driving a bicycle to get around as opposed to a
motorcycle. Sure, the bicycle will work, but the motorcycle is
considerably
faster, and can do things the bicycle can't. Same thing with 2 vs. 4 GB
of
ram on windows.

Don't fool yourself, there's a reason windows states 2GB as a minimum,
it's just that, the minimum required to run the os. That doesn't mean
the
os will run optimally or even perform adequately, just that it will run.


On 2/8/2019 5:54 AM, Gene wrote:

That is not true. 2GB is fine for 32bit versions of Windows.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 10:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


umm, you're confusing ram and storage. An SD card won't give you
more
ram, that will only provide more external storage. swapping SD cards
allows you to copy more files to those cards, but does nothing for
your

RAM, which is where programs run. 2GB is poretty low for any version
of

windows, except if you're using a tablet, there's not much you can do
about it. If you're on a pc, it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ram
in
the computer, providing you have empty slots or the ram you have
isn't
maxed out. Most machines can only take a limited amount of ram, and
you

need to know what that limit is before trying to upgrade the machine.
However, though I don't know for sure, it sounds to me like you're
talking about a tablet, in which case, the ram isn't upgradable.

On 2/7/2019 7:05 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
> Hello again:
> I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue.
> Brian, My GBRam is a low grid. It is just 2GB. But even with that
I
> don't have this problem with JAWS. But as I said yesterday, chrome
> appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, although
firefox
> and internet explorer are almost unusable.
> I am thinking of increasing my GB ram with an SDCard.
> Regards.
> Ibrahim.
>
> On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>> Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec machines,
>> certainly.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>>
>>
>> Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of
Ibrahim
Ajayi
>> Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>>
>> Hello:
>> I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
>> The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the
internet.
>> When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading
documents
>> off line, it is not slow.
>> This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have
this slow
>>
>> problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS.
>> Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch
a
web
>> browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet
explorer
>> unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when
I
press
>> the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some times, when
I
am on a
>>
>> site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and
disables the
>>
>> computer itself. I just have to shut it down, and then restart it
all over
>>
>> again.
>> Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen
reader?
>> I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
>> I have the latest update of the screen reader.
>> Hope to read a helpful response.
>> I am Ibrahim.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>





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By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali





--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

To be honest, jaws is a screen reader.

Nvda is what narator should have been a basic screen reader with extra features.

Narator is well, people call it a screen reader.

Thats true if its an ms app, but it doesn't do everything, even nvda does more than that.

But this poster is right, narator carries such a stigma with it that when it finally gets good, its name carries a crappy past.

I would rely on narator for some stuff but its more limited than nvda.

The only reason nvda is better than jaws and others in most respects is because it uses the os for most of its access and not some interseptor.

I am unsure why the rest don't inovate but neither jaws or dolphin seem to be moving fast, or in the case of jaws like microsoft seem to be trying to reinvent themselves all the time with stuff that makes you shake your head.

For nvda what I can see as advantage is mainly the speed of development, and the fact if say I want a feature, I put it out there and see.

Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not, and if a user wants to experiment they can go here is this thing, does it work or is it crap.

And then its a hit, no strings.

Look at toolbars explorer.

I remember when it was an idea.

It caught on so quick.

Firstly it was an idea.

By the end of the day an item, 2 days, something that could be something.

A week later it was something, and a month or so later its a really good thing that is making a mark.

There is no high pricetag to get that extra module for no reason or extra licence to access another windows addition without any new features.

There is no lagging behind with things.

Everyone has advantages for and against but still.



On 9/02/2019 6:29 PM, Kwork wrote:

Narrator in Windows 7 was a joke. Not even worth talking about in my opinion. It could read its own introduction screen and not much more. LOL! Microsoft Anna was a decent enough text to speech voice, but she worked better in NVDA as a SAPI 5 voice rather than windows' joke of a screenreader they called Narrator.

Brian V is correct. The name of the Windows native screenreader should probably be changed. Otherwise we'll be educating people for years who remember the joke that first debuted, to the best of my knowledge, in Windows xp.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 1:42 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’m assuming Narrator in windows 7 was in the settings app? I don’t think my machine even had a settings app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Yes.  Windows 7 had Narrator.

 

On 2/8/2019 3:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 03:06 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

There's been a version of Narrator around for a very long time.  Prior to Windows 10 it really was a joke.

Microsoft started taking accessibility much more seriously starting with Windows 8, with lots of refining occurring after that (and still ongoing).  Even Narrator in Windows 10 prior to Version 1809 is not the same animal as Narrator now (with now being Version 1809).

Hence my reaction earlier about talking about things that have the same name, under different versions of Windows, being senseless.  Even talking pre-1809 and post-1809 Narrator in Windows 10 is, if not apples and oranges, is kumquats and oranges.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

Some mouse navigation questions

Jed Barton
 

Hey guys,
Jed here, 1st post.  So, i'm taking the nvda plunge coming from jawas.
I have used nvda a little bit, but am trying to get familiar with some
more of the keyboard commands.
So, what's the best way to navigate using the mouse in NVDA?? With jfw,
we have the jaws and PC cursor.  Also, what's the best way to get to
the preferences?
Cheers,
Jed

Re: Problems With NVDA

Gene
 

If you are using 32 bit Windows, you have plenty of RAM.  Especially if you are using XP, that is much more than is needed by most people..
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: zahra
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA

hi gene and all again.
whats the best memory for my system?
i turn on my laptop in the morning and use it till the midnight.
then i turn it off until tomorrow.

i only use my system for, browsing, notepad plus plus, playing audio
files with mpchc and sometimes editing files with mp3 direct cut or
converting video files in to audio.
i also had libreoffice previously and wish to install it again, but
using it is difficult specially for me who want to read and edit
Islamic books with it.
but for browsing the web, when javascript is enabled, nvda most times
is slow and even silent when i use it for example in quora websites
and other sites that require javascript.
even nvda is silent and does not work and does not say anything when i
use arrow keys, brows mode does not work and i only hear the name of
website without anything else!
i heard that i cant upgrade my cpu, but my system has 2core cpu and
2.5 gb of ram.
this is the reason that i sometimes the best version of nvda which i
use forever is 2017.1 and sometimes told 2017.2 or maybe 2016.4!
because 2017.2 has one important bug fix which i really need to
preserve my numeroussettings, but it has the issue which i mentioned
in firefox.
also, 2017.1 is very better than other version for me in using
firefox, i believe at least since 2016.1 or even maybe 2015.4!
what should i do in this case?
On 2/8/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
> But again, you don't say if you have run 32bit Windows or just 64bit
> windows.  I don't think 64bit Windows 7 or higher, perhaps Vista as well,
> should be run with less than 4GB.  But 32bit Windows is a different matter.
> Almost anyone who ran XP used 32bit Windows.
>
> I'm not saying 32bit Windows 10 needs as little RAM as 32 bit XP.  I'm
> saying that it should run well with 2gb of ram in most or the majority of
> cases.
>
> Gene
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Travis Siegel
> Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 2:14 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>
>
> Xp would run on 1gb, but it didn't run well.  windows 7 plus won't run well
> on 2gb.  I have 4 in my windows 8.1 machine, and most of the time it behaves
> ok, but at times when I have things going on in the background while doing
> other things, even that bogs down.
>
> XP can certainly run on 512MB, Heck, I ran it on 256MB at times, though it's
> not recommended.  My personal experience is that windows is not happy with
> less than 4GB once you get out of the XP stage.
>
>
> On 2/8/2019 2:40 PM, Gene wrote:
>
>   Are you basing these comments on personal experience of running 32bit
> Windows with 2GB?  That is 1Gb over the Microsoft minimum.  I don't agree
> with your assessment.  I had a Windows XP machine with only 512MB of RAM and
> it ran well.  I have a 32GB Windows 7 laptop with 4GB of RAM.  It runs
> well.
>
>
>   From: Travis Siegel
>   Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 12:50 PM
>   To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>   Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>
>
>   Sure it is, if you don't multitask, (have multiple programs open at once),
> leave programs open for hours at a time, and reboot regularly (meaning every
> day or two), and don't run programs like microsoft office which has some
> memory leaks that tend to eat memory the longer they're left open.  For some
> values of normal usage, yes, 2GB is fine, but for the rest of us, 2GB barely
> qualifies as enough to run windows os by itself.  Tablets are different,
> since they have a (slightly) different version of windows that optimizes
> memory usage, but normal windows, under normal usage patterns, it will not
> be happy with only 2GB of ram, because it will have to swap a lot, and that
> will slow things down.  There's a reason computers seem to appear so much
> faster when upgraded from 2 to 4GB of ram in every single case I've seen,
> and it's because memory swapping doesn't have to occur nearly as often, and
> that makes the system much faster overall.  Sure, you can get along with 2GB
> of ram, but it's like driving a bicycle to get around as opposed to a
> motorcycle.  Sure, the bicycle will work, but the motorcycle is considerably
> faster, and can do things the bicycle can't.  Same thing with 2 vs. 4 GB of
> ram on windows.
>
>   Don't fool yourself, there's a reason windows states 2GB as a minimum,
> it's just that, the minimum required to run the os.  That doesn't mean the
> os will run optimally or even perform adequately, just that it will run.
>
>
>   On 2/8/2019 5:54 AM, Gene wrote:
>
>     That is not true.  2GB is fine for 32bit versions of Windows.
>
>     Gene
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     From: Travis Siegel
>     Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 10:27 PM
>     To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
>     Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>
>
>     umm, you're confusing ram and storage.  An SD card won't give you more
>     ram, that will only provide more external storage.  swapping SD cards
>     allows you to copy more files to those cards, but does nothing for your
>
>     RAM, which is where programs run.  2GB is poretty low for any version of
>
>     windows, except if you're using a tablet, there's not much you can do
>     about it. If you're on a pc, it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ram in
>     the computer, providing you have empty slots or the ram you have isn't
>     maxed out.  Most machines can only take a limited amount of ram, and you
>
>     need to know what that limit is before trying to upgrade the machine.
>     However, though I don't know for sure, it sounds to me like you're
>     talking about a tablet, in which case, the ram isn't upgradable.
>
>     On 2/7/2019 7:05 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
>     > Hello again:
>     > I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue.
>     > Brian, My GBRam is a low grid.  It is just 2GB.  But even with that I
>     > don't have this problem with JAWS.  But as I said yesterday, chrome
>     > appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, although
> firefox
>     > and internet explorer are almost unusable.
>     > I am thinking of increasing my GB ram with an SDCard.
>     > Regards.
>     > Ibrahim.
>     >
>     > On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
>     > <bglists@...> wrote:
>     >> Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec machines,
>     >> certainly.
>     >>   Brian
>     >>
>     >> bglists@...
>     >> Sent via blueyonder.
>     >> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>     >> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>     >> in the display name field.
>     >> ----- Original Message -----
>     >> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
>     >> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>     >> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM
>     >> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer.
>     >>
>     >> All the best
>     >>
>     >> Steve
>     >>
>     >> -----Original Message-----
>     >> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim
> Ajayi
>     >> Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07
>     >> To: nvda@groups.io
>     >> Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>     >>
>     >> Hello:
>     >> I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
>     >> The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
>     >> When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading
> documents
>     >> off line, it is not slow.
>     >> This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have
> this slow
>     >>
>     >> problems online with JAWS.  I use a demo copy of JAWS.
>     >> Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a
> web
>     >> browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet explorer
>     >> unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when I
> press
>     >> the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing.  Some times, when I
> am on a
>     >>
>     >> site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and
> disables the
>     >>
>     >> computer itself.  I just have to shut it down, and then restart it
> all over
>     >>
>     >> again.
>     >> Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen
> reader?
>     >> I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
>     >> I have the latest update of the screen reader.
>     >> Hope to read a helpful response.
>     >> I am Ibrahim.
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >>
>     >
>     >
>     >
>
>
>
>
>
>        Virus-free. www.avast.com
>
>
>
>
>


--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali


Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Ron Canazzi
 

When I first got Windows 10 on this newer 64 bit system, when I used Cortana, it launched Internet Explorer--not Edge.


On 2/8/2019 8:21 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
As far as I know, plans for Windows 10 were to replace IE with Edge, what they did, so Cortana actually uses Edge, not IE.
However, IE is still there, for a reason that heavens only knows.
Maybe if they remove it they'll break something on Windows? I don't know, but well...

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 08/02/2019 23:16, Ron Canazzi escreveu:

This is interesting.  So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed it since then, but how many people take the time to do so?


On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

          Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired, nothing will.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Kwork
 

Clarissa, you may not need to use the current implementation of Edge much anyway as Microsoft will be adapting their web browser shortly to something different, with more Chromium based features.

As for using IE, I won't get rid of it as I do find the occasional site that works best on it, even now. Waterfox, Firefox, then Chrome, have become my main browsers in that order. Usually one of those gets done what I want except for that 2% of the time when IE still works best.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 6:09 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote:
I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE
for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to
access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still
working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't
understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated
and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me,
there's really not that much difference in using one of the other
browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a
lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I
haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox
work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief
(
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired,
nothing will.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



.

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Sarah k Alawami
 

Windows 2000 had sam. I remember using it on someone's very old computer in 2004. I think it was baught in 98? I wouldn't know as I was not around then at this person's house.



On 8 Feb 2019, at 18:09, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to windows 7 and that system had Microsoft Anna.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

 

On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -



 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Kwork
 

Actually mine launched Edge by default. Not sure why it launched IE for others.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 6:23 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote:
I hadn't thought of that.


On 2/8/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
This is interesting. So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch
Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed it
since then, but how many people take the time to do so?


On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Article that came out today in /The Telegraph/ newspaper in the UK:

/Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/>/

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




.

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Kwork
 

Ease of Access was correct. Under Utilities, if I remember right. Win+u would bring up the Utilities screen, which turned on Narrator by default.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 1:45 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 03:42 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I’m assuming Narrator in windows 7 was in the settings app?
Pretty much everything, prior to Windows 10 (maybe 8, but I ignore 8 by and large) that's now in Settings was in Control Panel.  I would be shocked if it weren't in Ease of Access (I think they called it that, otherwise check Accessibility).  My memory of Control Panel from 2 Windows OS generations ago is far from perfect.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Kwork
 

Narrator in Windows 7 was a joke. Not even worth talking about in my opinion. It could read its own introduction screen and not much more. LOL! Microsoft Anna was a decent enough text to speech voice, but she worked better in NVDA as a SAPI 5 voice rather than windows' joke of a screenreader they called Narrator.

Brian V is correct. The name of the Windows native screenreader should probably be changed. Otherwise we'll be educating people for years who remember the joke that first debuted, to the best of my knowledge, in Windows xp.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 1:42 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’m assuming Narrator in windows 7 was in the settings app? I don’t think my machine even had a settings app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Yes.  Windows 7 had Narrator.

 

On 2/8/2019 3:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 03:06 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

There's been a version of Narrator around for a very long time.  Prior to Windows 10 it really was a joke.

Microsoft started taking accessibility much more seriously starting with Windows 8, with lots of refining occurring after that (and still ongoing).  Even Narrator in Windows 10 prior to Version 1809 is not the same animal as Narrator now (with now being Version 1809).

Hence my reaction earlier about talking about things that have the same name, under different versions of Windows, being senseless.  Even talking pre-1809 and post-1809 Narrator in Windows 10 is, if not apples and oranges, is kumquats and oranges.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Gene
 

What do you mean by the management is almost nonexistent?  You can move bookmarks around in Firefox.  I assume you can in Chrome as well.  Instead of assuming something isn't available or doesn't exist, ask here or get some sort of documentation or tutorial.  You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.
 
Open the bookmarks menu with alt b.
Move to a bookmark in Firefox.  Open the context menu.  Down arrow to cut.  Press enter.
Then move to where you want the bookmark to be.  Open the context menu and find paste.  Press enter.
The bookmark has been moved.
However, I almost never move or organize bookmarks in Firefox because of the very good search for bookmarks feature.  If you are interested, I'll describe it.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: MAX
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>





Re: Problems With NVDA

 

hi gene and all again.
whats the best memory for my system?
i turn on my laptop in the morning and use it till the midnight.
then i turn it off until tomorrow.

i only use my system for, browsing, notepad plus plus, playing audio
files with mpchc and sometimes editing files with mp3 direct cut or
converting video files in to audio.
i also had libreoffice previously and wish to install it again, but
using it is difficult specially for me who want to read and edit
Islamic books with it.
but for browsing the web, when javascript is enabled, nvda most times
is slow and even silent when i use it for example in quora websites
and other sites that require javascript.
even nvda is silent and does not work and does not say anything when i
use arrow keys, brows mode does not work and i only hear the name of
website without anything else!
i heard that i cant upgrade my cpu, but my system has 2core cpu and
2.5 gb of ram.
this is the reason that i sometimes the best version of nvda which i
use forever is 2017.1 and sometimes told 2017.2 or maybe 2016.4!
because 2017.2 has one important bug fix which i really need to
preserve my numeroussettings, but it has the issue which i mentioned
in firefox.
also, 2017.1 is very better than other version for me in using
firefox, i believe at least since 2016.1 or even maybe 2015.4!
what should i do in this case?

On 2/8/19, Gene <gsasner@...> wrote:
But again, you don't say if you have run 32bit Windows or just 64bit
windows. I don't think 64bit Windows 7 or higher, perhaps Vista as well,
should be run with less than 4GB. But 32bit Windows is a different matter.
Almost anyone who ran XP used 32bit Windows.

I'm not saying 32bit Windows 10 needs as little RAM as 32 bit XP. I'm
saying that it should run well with 2gb of ram in most or the majority of
cases.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 2:14 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


Xp would run on 1gb, but it didn't run well. windows 7 plus won't run well
on 2gb. I have 4 in my windows 8.1 machine, and most of the time it behaves
ok, but at times when I have things going on in the background while doing
other things, even that bogs down.

XP can certainly run on 512MB, Heck, I ran it on 256MB at times, though it's
not recommended. My personal experience is that windows is not happy with
less than 4GB once you get out of the XP stage.


On 2/8/2019 2:40 PM, Gene wrote:

Are you basing these comments on personal experience of running 32bit
Windows with 2GB? That is 1Gb over the Microsoft minimum. I don't agree
with your assessment. I had a Windows XP machine with only 512MB of RAM and
it ran well. I have a 32GB Windows 7 laptop with 4GB of RAM. It runs
well.


From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 12:50 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


Sure it is, if you don't multitask, (have multiple programs open at once),
leave programs open for hours at a time, and reboot regularly (meaning every
day or two), and don't run programs like microsoft office which has some
memory leaks that tend to eat memory the longer they're left open. For some
values of normal usage, yes, 2GB is fine, but for the rest of us, 2GB barely
qualifies as enough to run windows os by itself. Tablets are different,
since they have a (slightly) different version of windows that optimizes
memory usage, but normal windows, under normal usage patterns, it will not
be happy with only 2GB of ram, because it will have to swap a lot, and that
will slow things down. There's a reason computers seem to appear so much
faster when upgraded from 2 to 4GB of ram in every single case I've seen,
and it's because memory swapping doesn't have to occur nearly as often, and
that makes the system much faster overall. Sure, you can get along with 2GB
of ram, but it's like driving a bicycle to get around as opposed to a
motorcycle. Sure, the bicycle will work, but the motorcycle is considerably
faster, and can do things the bicycle can't. Same thing with 2 vs. 4 GB of
ram on windows.

Don't fool yourself, there's a reason windows states 2GB as a minimum,
it's just that, the minimum required to run the os. That doesn't mean the
os will run optimally or even perform adequately, just that it will run.


On 2/8/2019 5:54 AM, Gene wrote:

That is not true. 2GB is fine for 32bit versions of Windows.

Gene
----- Original Message -----

From: Travis Siegel
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 10:27 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA


umm, you're confusing ram and storage. An SD card won't give you more
ram, that will only provide more external storage. swapping SD cards
allows you to copy more files to those cards, but does nothing for your

RAM, which is where programs run. 2GB is poretty low for any version of

windows, except if you're using a tablet, there's not much you can do
about it. If you're on a pc, it's (usually) easy to upgrade the ram in
the computer, providing you have empty slots or the ram you have isn't
maxed out. Most machines can only take a limited amount of ram, and you

need to know what that limit is before trying to upgrade the machine.
However, though I don't know for sure, it sounds to me like you're
talking about a tablet, in which case, the ram isn't upgradable.

On 2/7/2019 7:05 PM, Ibrahim Ajayi wrote:
> Hello again:
> I thank all those who found time to respond to my issue.
> Brian, My GBRam is a low grid. It is just 2GB. But even with that I
> don't have this problem with JAWS. But as I said yesterday, chrome
> appears to be reasonably fine with the screen reader, although
firefox
> and internet explorer are almost unusable.
> I am thinking of increasing my GB ram with an SDCard.
> Regards.
> Ibrahim.
>
> On 2/7/19, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
> <bglists=blueyonder.co.uk@groups.io> wrote:
>> Well I'd not go that far but it is faster on lower spec machines,
>> certainly.
>> Brian
>>
>> bglists@...
>> Sent via blueyonder.
>> Please address personal E-mail to:-
>> briang1@..., putting 'Brian Gaff'
>> in the display name field.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Steve Nutt" <steve@...>
>> To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
>> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2019 8:36 AM
>> Subject: Re: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>>
>>
>> Use Chrome, it is better than either Firefox or Internet Explorer.
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> Steve
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ibrahim
Ajayi
>> Sent: 07 February 2019 00:07
>> To: nvda@groups.io
>> Subject: [nvda] Problems With NVDA
>>
>> Hello:
>> I am having problems with my NVDA screen reader.
>> The screen reader is just too slow when I am browsing the internet.
>> When I am doing some other work like word processing or reading
documents
>> off line, it is not slow.
>> This problem has nothing to do with the websites, as I don't have
this slow
>>
>> problems online with JAWS. I use a demo copy of JAWS.
>> Secondly, when I visit a website, or even some times when I launch a
web
>> browser like internet explorer or firefox, I hear "internet explorer
>> unknown" or "firefox unknown" and the screen goes quiet, and when I
press
>> the arrow down key, that is what I keep hearing. Some times, when I
am on a
>>
>> site, or trying to open a site, the screen reader crashes, and
disables the
>>
>> computer itself. I just have to shut it down, and then restart it
all over
>>
>> again.
>> Does anyone understand the problem I am having with my NVDA screen
reader?
>> I use windows7 32 bit on a laptop.
>> I have the latest update of the screen reader.
>> Hope to read a helpful response.
>> I am Ibrahim.
>>
>>
>>
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>
>





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--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

MAX <max@...>
 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>





Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

 

i ment that i hate narrator of windows xp (i mean the voice of
microsoft sam and its aweful quality.
i did not talk about my idea about narrator of windows ten which i
never heard it voice and its quality in using and reading english
documents.
if someone can help me to record one sample text with different voices
of windows ten or eight, please email me off list.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:49 PM, zahra wrote:


i really hate narrator.
do you remember narrator of windows xp which i use?
Which has absolutely, positively nothing to do with Narrator as implemented
today. Just as the Windows Defender that's on XP has absolutely nothing to
do with the Windows Defender, now Windows Security as of Version 1809, on
Windows 10 today.

I have come to accept that, for whatever reason, you are clinging to XP like
it's God's gift to mankind. What I cannot accept is making any comments
about any software that happens to share the same name, but nothing else,
with the long unsupported Windows XP and it's components.

Talking about these as if they are even similar is senseless.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Gene
 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>






Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to windows 7 and that system had Microsoft Anna.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

 

On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -



 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

In windows XP the voice for narrator was Microsoft Sam.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Didn’t Narrator used to use something called Microsoft sam? I only know that because people have made hilarious youtube videos about Microsoft sam.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 6:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

 

On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -


 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 08:14 PM, Don Risavy, Jr. wrote:
just did that last night unless there’s a new file?
That's the point, there were two different updates last night secondary to conditions I never thought could or would happen.  It's just easier to re-download so that you will have what I know is the latest version.  That version also removes a step from the Extract All process, so now all you need to do is just Extract All once the ZIP file is on your desktop.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

THanks for the information Brian.