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Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

MAX <max@...>
 

The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent.  I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file.   Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.

 

 

73 (Regards).

 

Max K 4 O D S.

 

I've Never Lost the Wonder.

 

Antique Electronics Site: http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/funwithtubes/

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>





Re: Is NVDA Really Dying?

 

i ment that i hate narrator of windows xp (i mean the voice of
microsoft sam and its aweful quality.
i did not talk about my idea about narrator of windows ten which i
never heard it voice and its quality in using and reading english
documents.
if someone can help me to record one sample text with different voices
of windows ten or eight, please email me off list.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:49 PM, zahra wrote:


i really hate narrator.
do you remember narrator of windows xp which i use?
Which has absolutely, positively nothing to do with Narrator as implemented
today. Just as the Windows Defender that's on XP has absolutely nothing to
do with the Windows Defender, now Windows Security as of Version 1809, on
Windows 10 today.

I have come to accept that, for whatever reason, you are clinging to XP like
it's God's gift to mankind. What I cannot accept is making any comments
about any software that happens to share the same name, but nothing else,
with the long unsupported Windows XP and it's components.

Talking about these as if they are even similar is senseless.

--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Gene
 

You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites.  You may continue using Internet Explorer with them.  It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site. 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
From: Rosemarie ChavarrFrom: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
> Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:
>
>           Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
> chief (
> https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
> explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
> )
>
> If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
> expired, nothing will.
> --
>
> Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
>
> *A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
> need for illusion is deep.*
>
>           ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
>
>
>
>






Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to windows 7 and that system had Microsoft Anna.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

 

On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -



 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

In windows XP the voice for narrator was Microsoft Sam.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Didn’t Narrator used to use something called Microsoft sam? I only know that because people have made hilarious youtube videos about Microsoft sam.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 6:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

 

On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -


 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 08:14 PM, Don Risavy, Jr. wrote:
just did that last night unless there’s a new file?
That's the point, there were two different updates last night secondary to conditions I never thought could or would happen.  It's just easier to re-download so that you will have what I know is the latest version.  That version also removes a step from the Extract All process, so now all you need to do is just Extract All once the ZIP file is on your desktop.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

THanks for the information Brian.

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 08:16 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:
So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install?
It hasn't in my observation since Microsoft did the forced plural marriage between Cortana, Edge, & Bing in 2016.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Rosemarie Chavarria
 

I stopped using internet explorer too. Now I use either waterfox or chrome.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
chief (
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

As far as I know, plans for Windows 10 were to replace IE with Edge, what they did, so Cortana actually uses Edge, not IE.
However, IE is still there, for a reason that heavens only knows.
Maybe if they remove it they'll break something on Windows? I don't know, but well...

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 08/02/2019 23:16, Ron Canazzi escreveu:

This is interesting.  So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed it since then, but how many people take the time to do so?


On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

          Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired, nothing will.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Clarissa Mitchell
 

I hadn't thought of that.

On 2/8/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
This is interesting. So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch
Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed it
since then, but how many people take the time to do so?


On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Article that came out today in /The Telegraph/ newspaper in the UK:

/Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/>/

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/

--
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"




Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Ron Canazzi
 

This is interesting.  So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed it since then, but how many people take the time to do so?


On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

          Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired, nothing will.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

-- 
They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Don Risavy, Jr.
 

Okay just did that last night unless there’s a new file?

Thanks.

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 7:56 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Don,

            Download a fresh copy of SoundInSafeMode.zip to your desktop, unzip it there by bringing up the context menu and choosing Extract All, open the SoundInSafeMode folder, read the installation instructions contained therein.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Clarissa Mitchell
 

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE
for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to
access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still
working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't
understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated
and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me,
there's really not that much difference in using one of the other
browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a
lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I
haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox
work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief
(
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired,
nothing will.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Don,

            Download a fresh copy of SoundInSafeMode.zip to your desktop, unzip it there by bringing up the context menu and choosing Extract All, open the SoundInSafeMode folder, read the installation instructions contained therein.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

          Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired, nothing will.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

David Moore
 

Narrator has many key commands that are equal to the laptop commands for JAWS.

For example:

Holding down the caps lock or insert and then:

U, I, and O,

Reads by line.

J, K, and L, reads by word.

M, Comma and period reads by Character.

It goes on and on.

Narrator is a totally different beast in Windows 10 1809.

David Moore

 

                                                                Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 

From: Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

As an interesting aside I find the Guide to Narrator that comes up when you use it the first time (and will come up again unless you check the checkbox on the first screen telling it not to) quite useful.  The Narrator Key is either CAPS LOCK or INSERT, so very familiar to JAWS or NVDA users (probably Window Eyes, too, but I haven't touched it in too long to remember).

The Narrator+F1 sequence brings up a searchable list of all Narrator commands and Narrator+1 does a learning mode.

I really need to start working with Narrator more intensively.
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Don Risavy, Jr.
 

Hello,

Could you pass along the steps again in order to install and set up the script for making the windows 10 computer boot into safe mode with speech as missed those. I have the zip file downloaded along with the boot program mentioned; but, need to know exactly what needs done with the zip file for enabling speech.

Thanks.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 6:43 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 05:40 PM, Chris Shook wrote:

I can find an inexpensive version of Microsoft office.

You can.  The maximum I've paid for a license for Microsoft Office Pro Plus 2016 on the recycled (and legal) license market now very active on eBay is $10.  Most were under $7.

The only drawback, and it's a tiny one, is that most of them won't activate via the internet.  You have to use the phone method, but since the phone method doesn't involve a live rep, just having a key code texted to your phone (or the phone of any friend who can receive that text, or to a Google Voice number) to continue the process.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 05:40 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
I can find an inexpensive version of Microsoft office.
You can.  The maximum I've paid for a license for Microsoft Office Pro Plus 2016 on the recycled (and legal) license market now very active on eBay is $10.  Most were under $7.

The only drawback, and it's a tiny one, is that most of them won't activate via the internet.  You have to use the phone method, but since the phone method doesn't involve a live rep, just having a key code texted to your phone (or the phone of any friend who can receive that text, or to a Google Voice number) to continue the process.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

molly the blind tech lover
 

Didn’t Narrator used to use something called Microsoft sam? I only know that because people have made hilarious youtube videos about Microsoft sam.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 6:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

 

On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -



 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back