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Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

molly the blind tech lover
 

I’m using the windowsOneCore  voices as well. My NVDA has an Australian accent but I am not sure which voice it is. It’s female, though. I like it. Sounds relatively human.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 11:01 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 06:09 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

Agreed.  I particularly like the OneCore voices you get if you install additional languages (all English dialects, in my case).  They sound virtually human.
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

On Sat, Feb 9, 2019 at 06:09 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.
Agreed.  I particularly like the OneCore voices you get if you install additional languages (all English dialects, in my case).  They sound virtually human.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Gene
 

I don't know if Outlook Express was the issue.  We don't know how other people had their e-mail programs set.  Or I sahould say I don't; I don't know if you know.  When you say they got infected, did they just open an e-mail or open an attachment?  Do you read mail as plain text or HTML? 
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 4:06 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Indeed the pesky launching of Edge is a little annoying in windows 10.
 However, I had to laugh the other day when a dodgy email  came in to a lot
of us at the tn. most people are sighted and either used webmail or Tbird.
Many of them got infected by some kind of  pop up windows were advertising
code. I did not. I am using the old Outlook Express. I thought this a little
amusing. Certainly Superantispyware removed the  thing for them but it just
goes to show that  its being careful more than outdated programs that is
often the key for keeping the computer clean.

Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Vogel" <britechguy@...>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet
Explorer


On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 08:16 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:

>
> So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by default
> after a Windows install?

It hasn't in my observation since Microsoft did the forced plural marriage
between Cortana, Edge, & Bing in 2016.

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*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back






Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

molly the blind tech lover
 

You might like to try the new Microsoft voices. They're pretty good.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of zahra
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 6:00 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

microsoft sam!
its the worst and most terrible voice that i heard in my life!
i really hate it and never can tolerate it.

On 2/9/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:
Didn’t Microsoft sam sound kind of garbled? Like he was hard to understand.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



Windows 2000 had sam. I remember using it on someone's very old
computer in 2004. I think it was baught in 98? I wouldn't know as I
was not around then at this person's house.



On 8 Feb 2019, at 18:09, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to
windows 7 and that system had Microsoft Anna.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good,
aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.



On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine
but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad
Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



The “Wayback Machine”, eh? Love it.


- Brad -






On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <@britechguy
<mailto:@britechguy> > wrote:



I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with
Word
2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in
Word 2016. This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going
to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward
compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows
8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether
Narrator works with it. This was the first version of Word that has a
"look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back













--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

Ian Blackburn
 

Yes and before that there were hardware synthesises One of the worst was called votrax
Regards Ian

On 9 Feb 2019, at 6:59 pm, zahra <nasrinkhaksar3@...> wrote:

microsoft sam!
its the worst and most terrible voice that i heard in my life!
i really hate it and never can tolerate it.

On 2/9/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:
Didn’t Microsoft sam sound kind of garbled? Like he was hard to understand.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



Windows 2000 had sam. I remember using it on someone's very old computer in
2004. I think it was baught in 98? I wouldn't know as I was not around then
at this person's house.



On 8 Feb 2019, at 18:09, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to windows 7
and that system had Microsoft Anna.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently
windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.



On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I
can’t recall if it had Narrator.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



The “Wayback Machine”, eh? Love it.


- Brad -






On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <@britechguy
<mailto:@britechguy> > wrote:



I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word
2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word
2016. This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to
reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility
between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of
Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator
works with it. This was the first version of Word that has a "look and
feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back













--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

microsoft sam!
its the worst and most terrible voice that i heard in my life!
i really hate it and never can tolerate it.

On 2/9/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:
Didn’t Microsoft sam sound kind of garbled? Like he was hard to understand.




From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k
Alawami
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



Windows 2000 had sam. I remember using it on someone's very old computer in
2004. I think it was baught in 98? I wouldn't know as I was not around then
at this person's house.



On 8 Feb 2019, at 18:09, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to windows 7
and that system had Microsoft Anna.







From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
[mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently
windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.



On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I
can’t recall if it had Narrator.



From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
<mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator



The “Wayback Machine”, eh? Love it.


- Brad -






On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <@britechguy
<mailto:@britechguy> > wrote:



I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word
2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word
2016. This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to
reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility
between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of
Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator
works with it. This was the first version of Word that has a "look and
feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back












--
By God,
were I given all the seven heavens
with all they contain
in order that
I may disobey God
by depriving an ant
from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
imam ali

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

molly the blind tech lover
 

I only use chrome on my phone. But on my laptop and tablet I use firefox 100% of the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Clare Page
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 5:56 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Hi!
Firefox certainly works well with NVDA, I've used it 99.9% of the time for several years now: I switched to it when I had a faulty version of Internet Explorer, and haven't looked back. I haven't even opened IE for years: I have Google Chrome as a backup web browser, although I don't use it very much, but it's worked well with NVDA on the rare occasions I've used it. Good to still have a choice, even on Windows 7 which I still have, now that IE is dying!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: samedi 9 février 2019 02:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
chief (
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Clare Page <clare.page@...>
 

Hi!
Firefox certainly works well with NVDA, I've used it 99.9% of the time for several years now: I switched to it when I had a faulty version of Internet Explorer, and haven't looked back. I haven't even opened IE for years: I have Google Chrome as a backup web browser, although I don't use it very much, but it's worked well with NVDA on the rare occasions I've used it. Good to still have a choice, even on Windows 7 which I still have, now that IE is dying!
Bye for now!
From Clare

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: samedi 9 février 2019 02:10
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE
for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to
access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still
working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't
understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated
and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me,
there's really not that much difference in using one of the other
browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a
lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I
haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox
work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief
(
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired,
nothing will.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

molly the blind tech lover
 

I use firefox to access my school’s website among other things. I’m pretty sure my school still uses internet explorer in some cases.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 5:16 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Same here. Actually I do use Firefox way more than the other one, but I still have it, as from what I've seen some websites just seem to behave better using one and not the other.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 09/02/2019 07:56, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Well internet explorer was great while it lasted. I've been using Chrome and Firefox for two years now. 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer
 
Actually mine launched Edge by default. Not sure why it launched IE for others.
 
Travis
 
On 2/8/2019 6:23 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote:
I hadn't thought of that.
 
 
On 2/8/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
This is interesting.  So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch 
Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed 
it since then, but how many people take the time to do so?
 
 
On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Article that came out today in /The Telegraph/ newspaper in the UK:
 
/Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief 
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-intern
et-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/>/
 
If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now 
expired, nothing will.
--
 
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
 
*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the 
need for illusion is deep./*
 
           ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/
 
 
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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 

Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

molly the blind tech lover
 

I find this article very interesting. It says Microsoft does not support new development of internet explorer. No surprise there.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 4:58 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

One interesting oddity I discovered lately on windows 7 was no matter when you opened the email some links in emails particularly from the British government seem to be hard wired to open the page in IE. I know this as they keep on prompting to make IE the default browser. I tend now to go to the address bar , grab the url from IE as its sluggish anyway, and launch waterfox and paste the address in there.

That seems to work very well.
Weird.
Brian

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Clarissa Mitchell" <@musicgirl>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer


I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE
for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to
access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still
working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't
understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated
and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me,
there's really not that much difference in using one of the other
browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a
lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I
haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox
work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own
security chief (
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet
-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-* Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back




Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

molly the blind tech lover
 

That's why I never open emails that look suspicious.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 5:07 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Indeed the pesky launching of Edge is a little annoying in windows 10.
However, I had to laugh the other day when a dodgy email came in to a lot of us at the tn. most people are sighted and either used webmail or Tbird.
Many of them got infected by some kind of pop up windows were advertising code. I did not. I am using the old Outlook Express. I thought this a little amusing. Certainly Superantispyware removed the thing for them but it just goes to show that its being careful more than outdated programs that is often the key for keeping the computer clean.

Brian

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From: "Brian Vogel" <@britechguy>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 1:45 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer


On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 08:16 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:


So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by
default after a Windows install?
It hasn't in my observation since Microsoft did the forced plural marriage between Cortana, Edge, & Bing in 2016.

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Dropbox invisible window issue

Brian's Mail list account <bglists@...>
 

Hi, There is a new version of Dropbox around 66.x. On my windows 7 machine it starts with an invisible full screen window. Now I have another program a calendar reminder that also is designed to be full screen at start up within a week of the appointment.
The thing is that although the calendar iinfo is read, I was puzzled by not being able to minimize or close it as per usual. It then transpired that if I pressed enter on the winwow, instead of Calendar being in focus, it opened the drop box menu you would normally get in the tray instead.

I want to ask if anyone else has found this behaviour and if they have found a way to stop it. I do suspect that the invisible frame is yet another advert for paid services, but since I cannot read anything your guess is as good as mine. Obviously on can open the menu, then dismiss it and things then go back to normal. I'm loathe to hid the dropbox tray item as I used to do with the old intel one which had a similar odd behaviour, since I like to know what is going on in the folders.
Anyone?
Brian

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Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

Same here. Actually I do use Firefox way more than the other one, but I still have it, as from what I've seen some websites just seem to behave better using one and not the other.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 09/02/2019 07:56, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Well internet explorer was great while it lasted. I've been using Chrome and Firefox for two years now. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Actually mine launched Edge by default. Not sure why it launched IE for others.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 6:23 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote:
I hadn't thought of that.


On 2/8/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
This is interesting.  So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch 
Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed 
it since then, but how many people take the time to do so?


On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Article that came out today in /The Telegraph/ newspaper in the UK:

/Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief 
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-intern
et-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/>/

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now 
expired, nothing will.
--

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*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the 
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Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

molly the blind tech lover
 

I’ve noticed something about Jaws lately. When I turn it on it takes like a minute to load. I’ve also been getting a lot of error reports lately. What’s up with that?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 1:05 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

To be honest, jaws is a screen reader.

Nvda is what narator should have been a basic screen reader with extra features.

Narator is well, people call it a screen reader.

Thats true if its an ms app, but it doesn't do everything, even nvda does more than that.

But this poster is right, narator carries such a stigma with it that when it finally gets good, its name carries a crappy past.

I would rely on narator for some stuff but its more limited than nvda.

The only reason nvda is better than jaws and others in most respects is because it uses the os for most of its access and not some interseptor.

I am unsure why the rest don't inovate but neither jaws or dolphin seem to be moving fast, or in the case of jaws like microsoft seem to be trying to reinvent themselves all the time with stuff that makes you shake your head.

For nvda what I can see as advantage is mainly the speed of development, and the fact if say I want a feature, I put it out there and see.

Sometimes it pays off, sometimes not, and if a user wants to experiment they can go here is this thing, does it work or is it crap.

And then its a hit, no strings.

Look at toolbars explorer.

I remember when it was an idea.

It caught on so quick.

Firstly it was an idea.

By the end of the day an item, 2 days, something that could be something.

A week later it was something, and a month or so later its a really good thing that is making a mark.

There is no high pricetag to get that extra module for no reason or extra licence to access another windows addition without any new features.

There is no lagging behind with things.

Everyone has advantages for and against but still.

 

 

On 9/02/2019 6:29 PM, Kwork wrote:

Narrator in Windows 7 was a joke. Not even worth talking about in my opinion. It could read its own introduction screen and not much more. LOL! Microsoft Anna was a decent enough text to speech voice, but she worked better in NVDA as a SAPI 5 voice rather than windows' joke of a screenreader they called Narrator.

Brian V is correct. The name of the Windows native screenreader should probably be changed. Otherwise we'll be educating people for years who remember the joke that first debuted, to the best of my knowledge, in Windows xp.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 1:42 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

I’m assuming Narrator in windows 7 was in the settings app? I don’t think my machine even had a settings app.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of bob jutzi
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:30 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Yes.  Windows 7 had Narrator.

 

On 2/8/2019 3:29 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 03:06 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

There's been a version of Narrator around for a very long time.  Prior to Windows 10 it really was a joke.

Microsoft started taking accessibility much more seriously starting with Windows 8, with lots of refining occurring after that (and still ongoing).  Even Narrator in Windows 10 prior to Version 1809 is not the same animal as Narrator now (with now being Version 1809).

Hence my reaction earlier about talking about things that have the same name, under different versions of Windows, being senseless.  Even talking pre-1809 and post-1809 Narrator in Windows 10 is, if not apples and oranges, is kumquats and oranges.
 
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Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

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Indeed the pesky launching of Edge is a little annoying in windows 10.
However, I had to laugh the other day when a dodgy email came in to a lot of us at the tn. most people are sighted and either used webmail or Tbird. Many of them got infected by some kind of pop up windows were advertising code. I did not. I am using the old Outlook Express. I thought this a little amusing. Certainly Superantispyware removed the thing for them but it just goes to show that its being careful more than outdated programs that is often the key for keeping the computer clean.

Brian

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On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 08:16 PM, Ron Canazzi wrote:


So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by default
after a Windows install?
It hasn't in my observation since Microsoft did the forced plural marriage between Cortana, Edge, & Bing in 2016.

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Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

molly the blind tech lover
 

I’m not surprised internet explorer now seems to have all these security flaws. Especially if Microsoft is focusing on edge.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ron Canazzi
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:53 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

 

When I first got Windows 10 on this newer 64 bit system, when I used Cortana, it launched Internet Explorer--not Edge.

 

On 2/8/2019 8:21 PM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

As far as I know, plans for Windows 10 were to replace IE with Edge, what they did, so Cortana actually uses Edge, not IE.
However, IE is still there, for a reason that heavens only knows.
Maybe if they remove it they'll break something on Windows? I don't know, but well...


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Em 08/02/2019 23:16, Ron Canazzi escreveu:

This is interesting.  So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed it since then, but how many people take the time to do so?

 

On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:

Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

          Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired, nothing will.
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Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

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What is wrong with favourites in firefox or waterfox? I can change names move stuff about and delete and atdd ago see not real issue. Most of the problems are my laziness to actually do it!
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Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer


The management of favorites in chrome and Firefox is almost nonexistent. I use explorer to update and manage my favorites file. Why can’t programmers leave things alone. Especially things that work.





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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2019 8:39 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer



You may not find ways that work as well to use those sites. You may continue using Internet Explorer with them. It’s the browser you use as the main browser that is the issue, not the browser you use for occasional accessibility purposes with this or that site.



Gene

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From: Rosemarie Chavarr <mailto:knitqueen2007@...> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io> [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Clarissa Mitchell
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 5:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io <mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me, there's really not that much difference in using one of the other browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy <mailto:@britechguy> > wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security
chief (
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-
explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
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need for illusion is deep.*

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Re: NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

molly the blind tech lover
 

Didn’t Microsoft sam sound kind of garbled? Like he was hard to understand.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Sarah k Alawami
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:44 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

Windows 2000 had sam. I remember using it on someone's very old computer in 2004. I think it was baught in 98? I wouldn't know as I was not around then at this person's house.

 

On 8 Feb 2019, at 18:09, Rosemarie Chavarria wrote:

What voice did windows 2000 have for narrator? I jumped from XP to windows 7 and that system had Microsoft Anna.

 

 

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of Shaun Everiss
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 3:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

all windows from xp had narator.

But to be honest, narator on anything before 10 wasn't much good, aparently windows 2000 had narator and aparently it was usable then but who knows.

 

On 9/02/2019 9:06 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

Do you guys know if Windows 7 had Narrator? I had a windows 7 machine but I can’t recall if it had Narrator.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Friday, February 8, 2019 2:38 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA, JAWS, compared to Narrator

 

The “Wayback Machine”, eh?  Love it.


- Brad -


 

On Feb 8, 2019, at 12:25, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

 

I am running Win10, Version 1809, Home, 64-bit and just tested with Word 2010 and Word 2016.

Narrator will not read document text in Word 2010, but will read it in Word 2016.  This is really not surprising, as Microsoft is not going to try to reach into the wayback machine to ensure infinite backward compatibility between Narrator, which came on the scene with Windows 8, and versions of Office that far predate that OS.

If someone has Word 2013 it would be interesting to know whether Narrator works with it.  This was the first version of Word that has a "look and feel" that's very similar to that in use today.

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Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

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One interesting oddity I discovered lately on windows 7 was no matter when you opened the email some links in emails particularly from the British government seem to be hard wired to open the page in IE. I know this as they keep on prompting to make IE the default browser. I tend now to go to the address bar , grab the url from IE as its sluggish anyway, and launch waterfox and paste the address in there.

That seems to work very well.
Weird.
Brian

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From: "Clarissa Mitchell" <@musicgirl>
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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2019 1:09 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer


I hardly use IE anymore at all. For me, it's either Chrome or Firefox.
There were one or two site-specific functions I still had to use IE
for because of one thing or another, but I'm going to find a way to
access those sites with Chrome, which is my main browser. I'm still
working on that. I haven't used IE as my main browser in ages. I don't
understand why people are even still using that browser; it's outdated
and, at least on my more recent computers, slow as a snail! To me,
there's really not that much difference in using one of the other
browsers, from a screen reader standpoint anyway. You can still use a
lot of the same navigation commands. I don't know about Edge; I
haven't used it much, but as far as I can tell, Chrome and Firefox
work great with NVDA.

On 2/8/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:
Article that came out today in The Telegraph newspaper in the UK:

Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief
(
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-internet-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/
)

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now expired,
nothing will.
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*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for
illusion is deep.*

~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back



Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

molly the blind tech lover
 

Well internet explorer was great while it lasted. I've been using Chrome and Firefox for two years now.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Kwork
Sent: Saturday, February 9, 2019 12:37 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Actually mine launched Edge by default. Not sure why it launched IE for others.

Travis

On 2/8/2019 6:23 PM, Clarissa Mitchell wrote:
I hadn't thought of that.


On 2/8/19, Ron Canazzi <aa2vm@...> wrote:
This is interesting. So why does the Cortana voice inquiry launch
Internet Explorer by default after a Windows install? Now I changed
it since then, but how many people take the time to do so?


On 2/8/2019 6:50 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Article that came out today in /The Telegraph/ newspaper in the UK:

/Stop using Internet Explorer, warns Microsoft's own security chief
<https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2019/02/08/stop-using-intern
et-explorer-warns-microsofts-security-chief/>/

If that doesn't convince people that the shelf life of IE is now
expired, nothing will.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep./*

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/

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They Ask Me If I'm Happy; I say Yes.
They ask: "How Happy are You?"
I Say: "I'm as happy as a stow away chimpanzee on a banana boat!"





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