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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted
Ian Westerland
Hi again Marcio. Thank you. Seems like they just have to be seen. Use of numbers, graphics etc fascinate me, partially because I have never had physical sight. It is healthy to be curious.
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On 2/12/2019 3:04 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I believe they are ascii symbols that are mostly equivalent to the emotes we use, except a lot more descriptive. At least that's what I read when I googled.
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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted
Ian Westerland
Thank you Brian. It's really a visual language.
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Thank you. Ian Westerland
On 2/12/2019 2:42 AM, Brian Vogel wrote:
Emojis are nothing more than tiny images (drawn, not photos) that fit in line with text, taking up the equivalent of 1 to 2 (maybe 3) character places.
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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted
Ian Westerland
Hi Marcio. When I visited the link in your first email, I came across a whole series of numbers and wondered if my computer was faulty. Further down the page, there was the explanation that clarified it all quite well. I have since read Chris's email and realise that the emoji is a numeric/graphical representation. It's all so cleaver and creative.
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Thank you for your emails. Cheers. Ian Westerland
On 2/12/2019 2:12 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Actually this is an emoticon, which the article that I posted the link to right after one starts reading it states to not confuse with what's actually an emoji.
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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted
Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
Hi Ian,
Don't feel bad, I don't really get it either. Honestly, I always thought that an Emoji and an emoticon were the same thing until a few hours ago.
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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted
Ian Westerland
Hello Chris. Thank you. I know now what it is, but can't understand how a mood or emotion can be created using a series of dots. I'll work on it. It may be just one of those things that are purely visual. Anyway, I am one step ahead of my starting point before asking the question and that has to be good.
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Cheers. Ian Westerland
On 2/12/2019 12:38 AM, Chris Shook wrote:
An Emoji is a face or figure made up of dots that conveys the mood of the email.
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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted
Cristóbal
Yes. Please. By all means. Go. Get a room already.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:07 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted Hi. I'd like to answer your question but maybe we should discuss this off list? -----Original Message----- From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:01 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted So are you a vegetarian or a vegan? Cause you know, fish is still technically meat. 😀
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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted
molly the blind tech lover
Hi. I'd like to answer your question but maybe we should discuss this off list?
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:01 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted So are you a vegetarian or a vegan? Cause you know, fish is still technically meat. 😀
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Need help with BrailleExtender
John J. Boyer
Hello,
My first attempt to hide dots 7-8 worked, but the side effects are unacceptable. The down arrow on the keyboard hides oor shows the dots, but now I can't use menus, including the NVDA menus, unless I happen to remember the letter for an option. How do i get out of this!? BrailleExtender seems to have its own configuration file.. Restarting NVDA doesn't fix the problem. Neither does reloading BrailleExtender. Thanks, John -- John J. Boyer Email: john.boyer@... website: http://www.abilitiessoft.org Status: Company dissolved but website and email addresses live. Location: Madison, Wisconsin, USA Mission: developing assistive technology software and providing STEM services that are available at no cost
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Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer
On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 02:47 PM, Orlando Enrique Fiol wrote:
But I want to edit the bookmark name before I save it, not afterward, since I won't be able to find my bookmark if I don't know what Chrome automatically named it.Which I already told you can be done, and is he first thing you land in as far as an edit box goes, when creating a bookmark. Every browser acts this way, picking a default name based on the URL or webpage title, but allowing you to change it. You can also rearrange your hierarchy at will, though that does require some use of keyboard commands for drag and drop if you intend to move large batches, such as those imported from another browser at install time, at once. If you need to know how to do something please ask, and it's almost certain that someone here can and will tell you. What irritated me is making assertions about Chrome, or any web browser, that anyone who's used web browsers for years knows is simply not so. Chrome and Firefox both are highly accessible, as are most of the derivatives created by the code bases used for each of those. -- Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763 A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back
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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted
Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
So are you a vegetarian or a vegan?
Cause you know, fish is still technically meat. 😀
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Re: Fn Key Issues
molly the blind tech lover
I totally understand. In that case I am not sure how to help with an external keyboard. Sorry about that. I wish I could help.
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Jackie Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:47 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Fn Key Issues Molly, going into the bios would possibly help w/an internal keyboard, but would have no effect on an external 1. This comment is not to be critical in any way. You just strike me as someone who wants to learn all they can, & I'm just trying to help you do that. The bios basically affects what's hooked up to the motherboard. Since an external keyboard generally is not, especially on a laptop, then the bios settings would have no effect. I hope that explains. Good call if the keyboard had been an internal 1, though. On 2/11/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote: Hello. -- Subscribe to a WordPress for Newbies Mailing List by sending a message to: wp4newbs-request@... with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/wp4newbs & check out my sites at www.brighter-vision.com & www.mysitesbeenhacked.com
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Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?
molly the blind tech lover
Could you guys, for the love of goodness sake, please please please stop arguing?
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:40 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Exporting bookmarks to a file?
Please give examples of the terrible language I used in the last twenty-four hours. Everyone is generalizing. Everyone is saying I do this or that. Twenty-four hours is one day ago. If what I said is so terible, you should remember well enough to paraphrase it well. What did I say? All I said was that if you assume something can't be done without asking on the list or consulting instructional material, you may have a lot of unnecessary problems. I said this because someone made a number of statements about what Firefox can't do and those statements were wrong. If he, or others, who assume that things can't be done because they haven't seen how to do them while looking at the program don't ask on lists or use instructional material because they assume these things can't be done, they may have a lot of problems because they don't use programs that would be to their advantage to use, perhaps to their significant advantage. I didn't go into all that detail, but that was the meaning of what I said. Show me what was wrong with that.
I have said repeatedly in the past that if people write to me, I would discuss or consider what was said. Not one person answered. Now, people are making general statements and charges. Not one example. If you are frustrated, the thing to do is not to wait for months or more and finally unload at some point. I can't address what no one brings up. I can't respond to generalizations, you do this and that. If people want me to change what I do, whether it is a valid criticism or not, I can't respond to generalizations. I can respond to concrete examples, sent by people when something happens. And the same on list. When someone criticizes me on list, which is very seldom, it is usually not specific.
If I say I think something is the best way in too many messages in a thread, I'll see if I see myself doing so in the future. This is the first time this criticism has been made, not that I do so in a first message, but that I send too many messages discussing why I think my way of doing something is better. It is simply not fair nor reasonable to say I am unwilling to consider changing something if I hear nothing. The only criticism I've heard perhaps from one or two people over years is that I say my way is the only way to do things. I never do. This is a different criticism and is a specific thing I can see if I do in future or that someone can point out to me if I do.
Gene ----- Original Message ----- From: Tyler Wood Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:04 PM Subject: Re: [nvda] Exporting bookmarks to a file?
Hi, Sorry, but this has nothing to do with you personally. At all.
What it has to do with is your lack of ability to understand where others are coming from, your lack of ability to change the way in which you come across.
Your actions in the last day have really spoken volumes. Your wording was horribly wrong (and dare I say even hurtful). It's as though you don't think before you send messages. As you say, there are a thousand people on this list with a thousand different levels of computer use. To give yet another example (and this is generally you on this list when someone is asking for help) you almost always assume that your way is the only way, that your method is the only method, that there is no other way in which to accomplish a task. So when someone comes up with a different method (that may be easier for some, but doesn't fit into your life), you find every available negative point to criticize that other method and continuously claim how yours is superior. It's frustrating beyond belief having someone continuously go on about how my method of doing something (for instance, creating a new folder), is wrong.
Again, this is not personal. We don't know you personally, we only know how you act on a mailing list. If you think that's personal, perhaps it's time to take a few steps back and stop moderating.
So there's my opinion. This were my mailing list you'd at the very least be on moderated status simply based on your actions of the last 24 hours.
On 2019-02-11 12:44 p.m., Gene wrote:
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latest accessible version of tor browser?
can any one send me the latest version of tor browser that works with nvda?
thanks Hank -- check out my song on youtube https://youtu.be/YeWgx2LRu7Y
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Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer
Orlando Enrique Fiol
At 07:28 PM 2/10/2019, Brian Vogel wrote:
Oh, puhleeeze. There isn't a browser in existence that doesn't allow That's all very good. But I want to edit the bookmark name before I save it, not afterward, since I won't be able to find my bookmark if I don't know what Chrome automatically named it. Also, I'd like to move all my Internet Explorer favorites in Chrome from the Imported from IE directory to the root of wherever Chrome stores favorites. AI want all my favorites sorted into the directories I assigned them, not grouped by the browser from which they were imported. Thanks, Orlando
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Re: Fn Key Issues
Jackie
Molly, going into the bios would possibly help w/an internal keyboard,
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but would have no effect on an external 1. This comment is not to be critical in any way. You just strike me as someone who wants to learn all they can, & I'm just trying to help you do that. The bios basically affects what's hooked up to the motherboard. Since an external keyboard generally is not, especially on a laptop, then the bios settings would have no effect. I hope that explains. Good call if the keyboard had been an internal 1, though.
On 2/11/19, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:
Hello. --
Subscribe to a WordPress for Newbies Mailing List by sending a message to: wp4newbs-request@... with 'subscribe' in the Subject field OR by visiting the list page at http://www.freelists.org/list/wp4newbs & check out my sites at www.brighter-vision.com & www.mysitesbeenhacked.com
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Re: Exporting bookmarks to a file?
Gene
Please give examples of the terrible language I
used in the last twenty-four hours. Everyone is generalizing.
Everyone is saying I do this or that. Twenty-four hours is one day
ago. If what I said is so terible, you should remember well enough to
paraphrase it well. What did I say? All I said was that if you assume
something can't be done without asking on the list or consulting instructional
material, you may have a lot of unnecessary problems. I said this because
someone made a number of statements about what Firefox can't do and those
statements were wrong. If he, or others, who assume that things can't be
done because they haven't seen how to do them while looking at the program don't
ask on lists or use instructional material because they assume these things
can't be done, they may have a lot of problems because they don't use programs
that would be to their advantage to use, perhaps to their significant
advantage. I didn't go into all that detail, but that was the meaning of
what I said. Show me what was wrong with that.
I have said repeatedly in the past that if people
write to me, I would discuss or consider what was said. Not one person
answered. Now, people are making general statements and charges. Not
one example. If you are frustrated, the thing to do is not to wait for
months or more and finally unload at some point. I can't address what no
one brings up. I can't respond to generalizations, you do this and
that. If people want me to change what I do, whether it is a valid
criticism or not, I can't respond to generalizations. I can respond to
concrete examples, sent by people when something happens. And the same on
list. When someone criticizes me on list, which is very seldom, it is
usually not
specific.
If I say I think something is the best way in too
many messages in a thread, I'll see if I see myself doing so in the
future. This is the first time this criticism has been made, not that I do
so in a first message, but that I send too many messages discussing why I think
my way of doing something is better. It is simply not fair nor reasonable
to say I am unwilling to consider changing something if I hear nothing.
The only criticism I've heard perhaps from one or two people over years is that
I say my way is the only way to do things. I never do. This is a
different criticism and is a specific thing I can see if I do in future or that
someone can point out to me if I do.
Gene
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From: Tyler Wood
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Exporting bookmarks to a file? Hi, Sorry, but this has nothing to do with you personally. At all. What it has to do with is your lack of ability to understand where others are coming from, your lack of ability to change the way in which you come across. Your actions in the last day have really spoken volumes. Your wording was horribly wrong (and dare I say even hurtful). It's as though you don't think before you send messages. As you say, there are a thousand people on this list with a thousand different levels of computer use. To give yet another example (and this is generally you on this list when someone is asking for help) you almost always assume that your way is the only way, that your method is the only method, that there is no other way in which to accomplish a task. So when someone comes up with a different method (that may be easier for some, but doesn't fit into your life), you find every available negative point to criticize that other method and continuously claim how yours is superior. It's frustrating beyond belief having someone continuously go on about how my method of doing something (for instance, creating a new folder), is wrong. Again, this is not personal. We don't know you personally, we only know how you act on a mailing list. If you think that's personal, perhaps it's time to take a few steps back and stop moderating. So there's my opinion. This were my mailing list you'd at the very least be
on moderated status simply based on your actions of the last 24 hours. On 2019-02-11 12:44 p.m., Gene wrote:
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Re: Fn Key Issues
molly the blind tech lover
Hello.
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I think you may need to go in to the bios settings of your machine to change the behavior of the function key
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bhavya shah Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:37 PM To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io> Cc: bhavya.shah125@... Subject: [nvda] Fn Key Issues Dear all, I apologize for this not being strictly NVDA related, but more in regards to adapting to a keyboard which poses unique challenges in the issuance of NVDA key commands. I recently purchased an external keyboard which was overall great value for money, apart from one pestiferous problem. To emulate the Home, End, Page Up and Page Down functions, I need to press the Function (Fn) key in conjunction with the arrow keys. This is not atypical for me as I need to do this even on my built in laptop keyboard. However, on my laptop, I am absolutely used to pressing Ctrl followed by Function followed by right arrow for Ctrl+Home, whereas on this new external keyboard, I need to hold down Function first, and then press keys like Ctrl and right arrow. This is getting particularly problematic since my brain is wired to use the Function key preceding an arrow key only when I want to select an entire line or page as opposed to holding down Function first and foremost, and then pressing things like NVDA modifier+Shift+right arrow to read the status bar. Is there any way - software settting or device setup or otherwise - by which I can get this external keyboard to act similar to my laptop keyboard, in that I need to press the Function key only before the arrow keys or the key whose secondary function will be induced as opposed to the first key in any multi-key combinaition? I would greatly appreciate any assistance in this regard. Thanks. -- Best Regards Bhavya Shah Blogger at Hiking Across Horizons: https://bhavyashah125.wordpress.com/ Contacting Me E-mail Address: bhavya.shah125@... LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bhavyashah125/ Twitter: @BhavyaShah125 Skype: bhavya.09
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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted
molly the blind tech lover
I like Roman numerals too 😀
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From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:35 PM To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted Hieroglyphs were always kind of neat. I was always impressed how you could take a picture and make it represent a number. I like Roman Numerals to. Although, Vocalizer expressive won't read them right, but that's okay.
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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted
Dale Leavens
Bully for you!
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Just what has that to do with NVDA? Please take such stuff to some chat forumand clear the decks for the business of this list. Dale Leavens
On Feb 11, 2019, at 1:22 PM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:
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Re: Great Description of Emoji /was/[nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted
Laurie Mehta
Hey Travis, thanks for sharing this! Also, thanks for sharing about your great and proactive family! It is encouragement for everyone.
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One thing that I have also noticed about some emoji and the descriptors that are attached to them is that some of the actual visuals do not quite match what has been associated with them for us screen-reader users. One example is the emoji that we hear as "face with tears of joy" because sighted people describe it as a laughing face. Maybe Brian V. can comment? -Laurie --------------------------------------------
On Mon, 2/11/19, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted To: nvda@nvda.groups.io Date: Monday, February 11, 2019, 10:49 AM An emoji (from what my kids have described, and even built out of clay) is generally a round frame containing one or more objects inside of it. A lot of them are faces, such as smiling, frowning, surprised, and so on), but many of them are just normal objects as well, peppers, egg plants, (which the teens use to represent male anatomy), and other normal everyday items. There are emojis for darned near anything you'd ever want to communicate, which is why so many folks use them. My daughter is especially good at creating emojis out of clay, and for a while, I had several of them on my desk, though it was a bit tough to tell which ones were which, since the faces were very similar. On 2/11/2019 10:12 AM, marcio via Groups.Io wrote: Actually this is an emoticon, which the article that I posted the link to right after one starts reading it states to not confuse with what's actually an emoji. I still don't know how to explain what it is after all, so well.. Cheers, Marcio Follow me on Em 11/02/2019 11:38, Chris Shook escreveu: An Emoji is a face or figure made up of dots that conveys the mood of the email. For example, Look below my signature and NVDA should tell you, Smiling Smiley. Hpe this helps. Chris :-) Virus-free. www.avast.com
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