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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Ian Westerland
 

Hi again Marcio. Thank you. Seems like they just have to be seen. Use of numbers, graphics etc fascinate me, partially because I have never had physical sight. It is healthy to be curious.

Ian

On 2/12/2019 3:04 AM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:
I believe they are ascii symbols that are mostly equivalent to the emotes we use, except a lot more descriptive. At least that's what I read when I googled.
On 11 Feb 2019, at 1:23, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi Ian,
I would like so much to try explaining you what is an emoji, but I
definitelly don't have the proper words.
An emoji is, let's say, theorically, the same as an emoticon, except
by some differences.
And, to understand these differences, you can check this link
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji>, which will explain it much
better than I would ever do.
Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>
Em 11/02/2019 07:02, Ian Westerland escreveu:


Brian, I don't think I even know what an emogee is so I look
forward to an explanation.  Probably when the explanation comes, I
might be able to imagine how to use Emogees but, at the moment,
I'm in the dark
so to speak.

Regards


Ian Westerland






On 2/11/2019 7:30 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi folks, as somebody who has been around text based messages for
more years than I care to admit to, there is one basic truism
which still can cause issues.
The statement of facts or giving of advice can appear very abrupt
and direct when it was not meant to be.
Most of us when speaking to each other use inflection and such
like to create the spirit of what is being said and how it is to
be taken.
Sadly many of us cannot see body language, so even that is no
good in person. However apart from what I still consider as these
new fangled emogees, many do not know what they mean nor in fact
use them.
Thus when you see an apparently  abrupt response or interpret
something as a castigation or a reprimand, please  go away, have
a drink, think about it and realise it was just the facts being
expressed. Nothing
wrong with anything you said.
Even a simple comment like:
If you go back a day you will see this answered is often seen as
sarcasm, when its really not meant that way. If you cannot go
back or do not know how to view the archive, merely state this
and somebody will help, I'm sure.
OK I'll go back to sleep now!

Brian

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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Ian Westerland
 

Molly, it's also called passion. It's great.

On 2/12/2019 3:30 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I guess I do. I'm quite a cheerful person 😊
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 11:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted
Molly, it seems that you love a whole lot of things. 😀

On Feb 11, 2019, at 10:11 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

I love emojis.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

An Emoji is a face or figure made up of dots that conveys the mood of
the email.
For example, Look below my signature and NVDA should tell you, Smiling
Smiley.
Hpe this helps.
Chris

:-)






locked NVDA and tablets

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Hi guys,
Just out of curiosity, could you install NVDA on a Windows tablet?
I'm pretty sure you can, and I know it'd rely mostly on the touch screen function. I'm just wondering how effective it would be compared to Apple's VoiceOver.
Chris

Firefox fails with Google spread sheets

Marco Oros
 

Hi!

I have a question, but I don't know, that It is because of NVDA. Maybe yes.

I would like to use Google sheets, because I'll need It to new work. Problem is, that very often Firefox fails. Do You know this fail notification.

I have a question. Have You similar problems with It?

I have tried to use Google Chrome, but It isn't possible with NVDA and Jaws is difficult to use, I think new versions.

Thank You for Your help.

Marco Oros

Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Ian Westerland
 

I wonder if one day, following on from your comment, that someone might dig up some of these, and also call them an ancient written language needing interpretation.

Fascinating, sin't it?

Ian Westerland

On 2/12/2019 4:03 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Everything old is new again. We’re going to end up using hieroglyphs or Aztec Pictograms again soon enough and folks are going to call them an innovative  breakthrough in modern communication or something…
Cristóbal
*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2019 7:43 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted
Emojis are nothing more than tiny images (drawn, not photos) that fit in line with text, taking up the equivalent of 1 to 2 (maybe 3) character places.
They originally had, as their intent, expressing emotions much as emoticons did and do.  However, the range has expanded to include so many that this can no longer be said to be the case.
Many are used as coded references to other things.  The infamous eggplant emoji being the most "commonly known" one.  Look it up.
--
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/*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.*/
          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/

Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 03:20 PM, Ian Westerland wrote:
Thank you Brian. It's really a visual language.
Entirely so, as far as I'm concerned.  And it's becoming more so as more and more and more of these things appear where you really cannot give a good, concise description of even the emoji itself, let alone what it should be taken to mean.

Some are really obvious, and those are the early ones that were essentially pictographic versions of emoticons.  

All I can say to anyone who's blind (and it applies to me, too, even though I can see) is get into an emoji keyboard and listen to what the screen reader tells you you're on, which is the name given to the emoji.  Now try to picture where some of them would ever fit in such a way as to convey meaning.

For me, most emojis are no different than the cyber equivalent of the decorative stickers that little kids put on anything they're allowed to stick 'em on.

Mind you, some take on a coded meaning of their own that is not in any way directly related to what's represented by the emoji at face value, but those are not the majority.

I personally loathe the things, and always have.  I also use emoticons exceedingly sparingly, as I feel they're very seldom necessary.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Ian Westerland
 

My thoughts too.

Ian

On 2/12/2019 4:20 AM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Well customised emoticons is what I sort of thought of, but I used that word to mean both in fact since I do not use them and from the descriptions I hear in nvda, would not be sure if I'd used the right one in the first place, so I tend to ad just  Grin at eye end.
Brian
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----- Original Message ----- From: "marcio via Groups.Io" <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io>
To: <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Hi Ian,
I would like so much to try explaining you what is an emoji, but I
definitelly don't have the proper words.
An emoji is, let's say, theorically, the same as an emoticon, except by
some differences.
And, to understand these differences, you can check this link
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emoji>, which will explain it much better
than I would ever do.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter <https://twitter.com/firirinfonfon>

Em 11/02/2019 07:02, Ian Westerland escreveu:


Brian, I don't think I even know what an emogee is so I look forward
to an explanation. Probably when the explanation comes, I might be
able to imagine how to use Emogees but, at the moment, I'm in the dark
so to speak.

Regards


Ian Westerland






On 2/11/2019 7:30 PM, Brian's Mail list account via Groups.Io wrote:
Hi folks, as somebody who has been around text based messages for
more years than I care to admit to, there is one basic truism which
still can cause issues.
The statement of facts or giving of advice can appear very abrupt and
direct when it was not meant to be.
Most of us when speaking to each other use inflection and such like
to create the spirit of what is being said and how it is to be taken.
Sadly many of us cannot see body language, so even that is no good in
person. However apart from what I still consider as these new fangled
emogees, many do not know what they mean nor in fact use them.
Thus when you see an apparently abrupt response or interpret
something as a castigation or a reprimand, please go away, have a
drink, think about it and realise it was just the facts being
expressed. Nothing
wrong with anything you said.
Even a simple comment like:
If you go back a day you will see this answered is often seen as
sarcasm, when its really not meant that way. If you cannot go back or
do not know how to view the archive, merely state this and somebody
will help, I'm sure.
OK I'll go back to sleep now!

Brian

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Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

molly the blind tech lover
 

Well I guess the comment about getting a room already was supposed to be funny. That was freaking hilarious. Lol.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Westerland
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted



Molly, it's also called passion. It's great.





On 2/12/2019 3:30 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I guess I do. I'm quite a cheerful person 😊

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 11:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Molly, it seems that you love a whole lot of things. 😀

On Feb 11, 2019, at 10:11 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

I love emojis.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

An Emoji is a face or figure made up of dots that conveys the mood of
the email.
For example, Look below my signature and NVDA should tell you,
Smiling Smiley.
Hpe this helps.
Chris

:-)













Re: Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

Gene
 

Are you assuming you can't change the name because Chrome says bookmark added before you edit anything?  I seldom add new bookmarks in Chrome but I experimented.  If I use control d to add one, Chrome says bookmark added but I am still on the edit field where I can change the name.  It wasn't announced as an edit field for some reason with NVDA.  I don't know what other screen-readers would do.  I tried typing and I was able to change the name as in any standard edit field. 
 
That's an example of looking around an not assuming what your screen-reader says is always relevant.  Somewhere, Chrome says bookmark added but that is misleading and it hasn't been actually saved yet.  If something seems wrong, look around.
 
As far as finding a book mark after you save it even if you don't know the name, if you know what folder it is saved in, it is the first bookmark at the end of the list.  If you are in the list and up arrow, it will be the first one.  I don't work enough with book marks in Chrome to discuss specifying a folder much but I can tell you a little if you want to know.
 
I can't answer the other questions about how to move all bookmarks to one folder, etc.  But creating bookmarks in Chrome is similar to doing so in other browsers.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2019 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Microsoft's Own Security Chief Says: STOP using Internet Explorer

At 07:28 PM 2/10/2019, Brian Vogel wrote:
 >Oh, puhleeeze.  There isn't a browser in existence that doesn't allow
 >you to set, and later edit your bookmark names.  This is just common sense.
 >CTRL+SHIFT+O brings up the Chrome Bookmarks Manager and you can easily
 >change the current names assigned.  Bringing up the context menu in
 >Bookmarks Manager when you're sitting on a bookmark gives Edit as the
 >first choice.  You can set the name to anything you wish at creation
 >time right in the edit box presented and it's the first thing you land on.


That's all very good. But I want to edit the
bookmark name before I save it, not afterward,
since I won't be able to find my bookmark if I
don't know what Chrome automatically named it.
Also, I'd like to move all my Internet Explorer
favorites in Chrome from the Imported from IE
directory to the root of wherever Chrome stores
favorites. AI want all my favorites sorted into
the directories I assigned them, not grouped by
the browser from which they were imported.
Thanks,
Orlando



Re: Firefox fails with Google spread sheets

 

On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 03:31 PM, Marco Oros wrote:
Do You know this fail notification.
What failure message, exactly?
 
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Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 

locked Re: NVDA and tablets

molly the blind tech lover
 

Hi.
I have a windows 10 tablet with NVDA installed. It works just like on a laptop. I'd recommend a surface go. With the detachable keyboard. I love it 😂

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:31 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

Hi guys,
Just out of curiosity, could you install NVDA on a Windows tablet?
I'm pretty sure you can, and I know it'd rely mostly on the touch screen function. I'm just wondering how effective it would be compared to Apple's VoiceOver.
Chris

Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

molly the blind tech lover
 

I wouldn't be surprised 😀

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Westerland
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:33 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

I wonder if one day, following on from your comment, that someone might dig up some of these, and also call them an ancient written language needing interpretation.

Fascinating, sin't it?

Ian Westerland






On 2/12/2019 4:03 AM, Cristóbal wrote:
Everything old is new again. We’re going to end up using hieroglyphs
or Aztec Pictograms again soon enough and folks are going to call them
an innovative breakthrough in modern communication or something…

Cristóbal

*From:* nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> *On Behalf Of *Brian
Vogel
*Sent:* Monday, February 11, 2019 7:43 AM
*To:* nvda@nvda.groups.io
*Subject:* Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Emojis are nothing more than tiny images (drawn, not photos) that fit
in line with text, taking up the equivalent of 1 to 2 (maybe 3)
character places.

They originally had, as their intent, expressing emotions much as
emoticons did and do. However, the range has expanded to include so
many that this can no longer be said to be the case.

Many are used as coded references to other things. The infamous
eggplant emoji being the most "commonly known" one. Look it up.
--

Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763

/*A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the
need for illusion is deep.*/

~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/

Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Gene
 

Please take this completely off topic subject off list.  the list allows off topic discussion, but not of completely unrelated to technology subjects. 
 
If you need to get the person's address by asking for it on list, that's fine but not ongoing discussion.
 
Gene, Moderator
----- original Message -----

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:00 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

So are you a vegetarian or a vegan?
Cause you know, fish is still technically meat. 😀



Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Makes you wonder how long it'll be before buttons show back up on Cell phones.
Life is a circle. WHat was once old shall be new again.

Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

molly the blind tech lover
 

We’ve already taken it off list.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Gene
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:41 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

 

Please take this completely off topic subject off list.  the list allows off topic discussion, but not of completely unrelated to technology subjects. 

 

If you need to get the person's address by asking for it on list, that's fine but not ongoing discussion.

 

Gene, Moderator

----- original Message -----

 

Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 2:00 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

 

So are you a vegetarian or a vegan?
Cause you know, fish is still technically meat. 😀


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Thanks Molly,
Bet it was a lot cheaper than my iPad, LOL.

Re: Firefox fails with Google spread sheets

Marco Oros
 

It just close firefox and after that, there are buttons, like restart firefox and quit firefox.

locked Re: NVDA and tablets

molly the blind tech lover
 

Perhaps, but my surface occasionally has some audio issues where I lose
sound either from the speakers or the headphones. Still, it works great most
of the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:46 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

Thanks Molly,
Bet it was a lot cheaper than my iPad, LOL.

Re: Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Cristóbal
 

Actually, it was not.

Cristóbal

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of molly the blind tech lover
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 12:36 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Well I guess the comment about getting a room already was supposed to be funny. That was freaking hilarious. Lol.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Ian Westerland
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:29 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted



Molly, it's also called passion. It's great.





On 2/12/2019 3:30 AM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I guess I do. I'm quite a cheerful person 😊

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin
Prater
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 11:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

Molly, it seems that you love a whole lot of things. 😀

On Feb 11, 2019, at 10:11 AM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

I love emojis.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 8:39 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

An Emoji is a face or figure made up of dots that conveys the mood of
the email.
For example, Look below my signature and NVDA should tell you,
Smiling Smiley.
Hpe this helps.
Chris

:-)













locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

If the headphones are wireless, try and remember to turn them off if you're going to walk away.
Some times if the tablet or computer shuts off and then the headphones turn off by themselves, you can have some issues when you turn everything back on.
Did that make any sense at all?