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Re: why i love NVDA

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Actually I've not noticed anything I'd call an argument on here for some time, passionate discussions certainly, but I come from the world of Usenet where flame wars abound and trolls play all day, so I don my fireproof suit and hit next.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 3:43 PM
Subject: [nvda] why i love NVDA


Hey guys, Molly here.

In light of the recent arguments on this list, I feel the need to write something positive.





When I think about NVDA I like to think of how it has opened my eyes to a whole new world. Before I started using NVDA I was locked out of all kinds of opportunities. I couldn’t imagine being able to get a job or go to college. I wanted to do something with my life. So when I got a computer and discovered NVDA my life changed for the better. Because NVDA I now have access to an education. I can make friends on facebook, and use twitter. I can read the news and do just about anything on a computer my sighted friends can do. NVDA opens so many doors for millions of people.I feel so proud to be an NVDA user 😊 I now see a future filled with wonderfulpossibilities.

I can never express enough to the NVDA developers and contributors how much NVDA has enriched my life. 😂

Thank you guys so so much.



Molly


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

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I like touchscreens 😀

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Slow and clunky!

I don't even like Microsofts touch stuff on a a native narrator, so whoever liked touch screens is crazy. Apples seems pretty slick but give me a keyboard any day.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Shook" <chris0309@...>
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 8:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and tablets


Hi guys,
Just out of curiosity, could you install NVDA on a Windows tablet?
I'm pretty sure you can, and I know it'd rely mostly on the touch screen
function. I'm just wondering how effective it would be compared to Apple's
VoiceOver.
Chris



Re: List Moderation #adminnotice

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I did not know there was a vacancy till now, No thanks, I'm too verbose already and with my problem of mail coming in out of sequence it makes thing difficult to tell if you have the whole thread.
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Re: Intro & Question

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That programming interface is inaccessible, Its been mentioned here before.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry Honaker" <kc8pdx@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2019 4:46 PM
Subject: [nvda] Intro & Question


Greetings All,

I am beginning the process of learning NVDA and as a former programmer am interested in trying my hand at a little Python programming.

I downloaded Python 3.7 and executed the Idle app.

The Python shell came up, but I do not see any prompts with NVDA or Jaws. What am I missing and how do I proceed? Any guidance is welcome.

Thanks! Lh


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Re: Firefox fails with Google spread sheets

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I got the server at whatever with google in it, cannot be found try again, you do so and it limps into existence and acts like its loaded with treacle.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Firefox fails with Google spread sheets


On Mon, Feb 11, 2019 at 03:31 PM, Marco Oros wrote:


Do You know this fail notification.
What failure message, exactly?

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Re: Firefox fails with Google spread sheets

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Well Chrome works well with nvda, but not tried it with google apps, one might imagine it should work well. Firefox won't but then neither does ie.

I'm not sure about google as an answer here. They do seem to go their own quirky way with their online applications. I have a very short temper and it rose once too often for my health, so google back up sheets and the rest went to the great recycle bin in the sky as far too irritating. Even broke the flash irritation level for me, which is hard to do.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marco Oros" <marco.oros93@...>
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 8:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] Firefox fails with Google spread sheets


Hi!

I have a question, but I don't know, that It is because of NVDA. Maybe yes.

I would like to use Google sheets, because I'll need It to new work. Problem is, that very often Firefox fails. Do You know this fail notification.

I have a question. Have You similar problems with It?

I have tried to use Google Chrome, but It isn't possible with NVDA and Jaws is difficult to use, I think new versions.

Thank You for Your help.

Marco Oros



locked Re: NVDA and tablets

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You can make it cry? Sounds like something Microsoft might want to see. Sounds like they've made better strides into Artificial intelegence than even they knew.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

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I don't think they sell them here in the UK. Most of the windows tablets I've used seem like driving slime.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Josh Kennedy" <joshknnd1982@...>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets


My RCA cambio does not have any sound issues at all. Although it is windows10 32bit, it still wirks very well for what it is. And for $105 you can't beat the price especially for getting a full windows10 laptop tablet hybrid.


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Yeah I know right?

My system with its imbedded graphics is described as an entertainment/gaming laptop.

But bar the second drive, extra ram, and better speakers, cpu etc, and amd all the way through, its the size of the 15.6 ultrabook I use in another location.

Its a little heavier and has a few upgraded ports but its basically the same.
There is little difference in weight if you lift either unit up.

In reviews online, it was described as not a good gaming unit due to imbedded graphics but thats its good for a workstation.

It has its limits, I can actually make it cry if I push enough data through it at once, but rarely do I need to do that and it just runs otherwise.

during some maintanance tasks it does slow down and act like its used all its power but only for a second or 2 then its fine.

On 13/02/2019 8:04 AM, Chris Shook wrote:
Nope.
The weird thing is on the box it said notebook, but it's really ust a slightly smaller thinner laptop. Don't see how it qualifies as a notebook with it has a diskdrive.



locked Re: NVDA and tablets

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Yes but you use the keyboard as well, that is the point.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...>
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 8:56 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets


Perhaps, but my surface occasionally has some audio issues where I lose
sound either from the speakers or the headphones. Still, it works great most
of the time.

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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 3:46 PM
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Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

Thanks Molly,
Bet it was a lot cheaper than my iPad, LOL.






locked Re: NVDA and tablets

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Slow and clunky!

I don't even like Microsofts touch stuff on a a native narrator, so whoever liked touch screens is crazy. Apples seems pretty slick but give me a keyboard any day.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 8:31 PM
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and tablets


Hi guys,
Just out of curiosity, could you install NVDA on a Windows tablet?
I'm pretty sure you can, and I know it'd rely mostly on the touch screen function. I'm just wondering how effective it would be compared to Apple's VoiceOver.
Chris


Re: Need help with BrailleExtender

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Well can you not disable it?
If not how about using another copy of nvda which does not have it to just remove it from the folder completely then reboot the nvda that had it. Most add ons can seemingly be removed this way.
I'll await somebody to shout at me....
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 8:04 PM
Subject: [nvda] Need help with BrailleExtender


Hello,

My first attempt to hide dots 7-8 worked, but the side effects are unacceptable. The down arrow on the keyboard hides
oor shows the dots, but now I can't use menus, including the NVDA menus, unless I happen to remember the letter for an
option. How do i get out of this!? BrailleExtender seems to have its own configuration file.. Restarting NVDA doesn't
fix the problem. Neither does reloading BrailleExtender.

Thanks,
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Re: latest accessible version of tor browser?

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Yes its all to do with the rendering engine being different.
Not much one can do unless they are allowed to use the new Mozilla accessibility api.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest accessible version of tor browser?


Hi zahra



Thanks for the link yep it is the accessible version just downloaded it and set it up it looks as though 8 is not accessible which i tried before. I should state that on my road tested programs page the last good working copy.


Gene nz


On 12/02/2019 4:11 PM, zahra wrote:

hello.
i heard that the versions after version 8 are not accessible and i did
not even test the newer versions.
but i think that the last accessible version is 7.5.6 and i have
direct link for its english US version.

https://archive.torproject.org/tor-package-archive/torbrowser/7.5.6/torbrowser-install-7.5.6_en-US.exe


On 2/11/19, The Wolf <hank.smith966@...><mailto:hank.smith966@...> wrote:


can any one send me the latest version of tor browser that works with nvda?

thanks

Hank


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Re: latest accessible version of tor browser?

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Its a browser that goes via a proxy somewhere else in the world and can screen other from seeing you and of course other security issues come into play.
It often seems slow. However it was based on the old Mozilla engine and recently has started to use the quantum but without the accessibility patches.
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----- Original Message -----
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] latest accessible version of tor browser?


Sorry for butting in but what is theTOR browser? I haven't heard of it. How does it compare to Chrome and Firefox with NVDA?




Thanks.




Dan


On 2/11/2019 4:23 PM, Gene wrote:

I believe I have it. If no one else sends a link, I'll check. If I do, I'll send it to my Dropbox account and send you a link.
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From: The Wolf
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:48 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] latest accessible version of tor browser?


can any one send me the latest version of tor browser that works with nvda?

thanks

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locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

I'm actually a little nervous to use that one because it did warn it'll drain the battery faster.
I may download it though, just to see if it helps.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

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Nope.
The weird thing is on the box it said notebook, but it's really ust a slightly smaller thinner laptop. Don't see how it qualifies as a notebook with it has a diskdrive.


Re: Great Description of Emoji /was/[nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted

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Yes indeed this was why I was in two minds which noun to use to describe them in my original post.
Somebody told me the other day they have encountered some weird ones like fire engines and pictures of a sandwich with a bite missing.
I wonder what people will think some years on about such things. I pity the poor person adding them to nvda and having to come up with a description for them.
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: Great Description of Emoji /was/[nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted


Hey Travis, thanks for sharing this! Also, thanks for sharing about your great and proactive family! It is encouragement for everyone.

One thing that I have also noticed about some emoji and the descriptors that are attached to them is that some of the actual visuals do not quite match what has been associated with them for us screen-reader users. One example is the emoji that we hear as "face with tears of joy" because sighted people describe it as a laughing face. Maybe Brian V. can comment?

-Laurie
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On Mon, 2/11/19, Travis Siegel <tsiegel@...> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] Intent of any post being misinterpreted
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Monday, February 11, 2019, 10:49 AM


An emoji (from what my kids have described, and even
built out of
clay) is generally a round frame containing one or
more objects
inside of it. A lot of them are faces, such as
smiling, frowning,
surprised, and so on), but many of them are just
normal objects as
well, peppers, egg plants, (which the teens use to
represent male
anatomy), and other normal everyday items. There are
emojis for
darned near anything you'd ever want to
communicate, which is why
so many folks use them. My daughter is especially
good at
creating emojis out of clay, and for a while, I had
several of
them on my desk, though it was a bit tough to tell
which ones were
which, since the faces were very similar.


On 2/11/2019
10:12 AM, marcio via
Groups.Io wrote:



Actually this is an emoticon, which the article that I
posted the
link to right after one starts reading it states to
not confuse
with what's actually an emoji.

I still
don't know how to explain what
it is after all, so well..



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11/02/2019 11:38, Chris Shook
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An
Emoji is a face or figure made up of dots that
conveys the mood
of the email.

For example, Look below my signature and NVDA should
tell you,
Smiling Smiley.

Hpe this helps.

Chris



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Re: Personal messages on this list

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Yes I mentioned this in a humorous way a couple of days back also.
Of course somebody posting here by mistake is not a problem indeed it gives us a laugh!
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Antony Stone" <antony.stone@...>
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 6:55 PM
Subject: [nvda] Personal messages on this list


Hi.

Please could everyone ensure that their postings to this list are:

a) relevant to the subject line (if not, start a new thread or change the
subject line to reflect the change of direction of the discussion)

b) related to NVDA

c) meaningful to the group as a whole rather than just one individual.

Specifically, if what you intend to write is both about and directed at one
particular individual, then please send that message to them alone, and not to
the whole list.

If what you want to write is, let us say, not entirely complimentary about
that person, then I suggest in addition that you do not send the email
immediately, but wait a few hours to see whether your temper / mood / opinion
improve, and you perhaps find that it isn't a good idea to send the email at
all.

In essence, personal ciriticism is neither welcome nor appropriate for this
list, and if a comment is not related to NVDA and its use, please consider
carefully whether you should be making it here at all.

Disclaimer: I am not a list admin, and the above is merely my own personal
opinion.


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Re: Fn Key Issues

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That will not help since he already said that the laptop keyboard is normal, unless the keyboard is normal on that pc but not on another and it is the other which causes the issue.
Its imperative to know the make and model of the offending combination.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "molly the blind tech lover" <brainardmolly@...>
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Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] Fn Key Issues


Hello.
I think you may need to go in to the bios settings of your machine to change the behavior of the function key

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Bhavya shah
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2019 1:37 PM
To: nvda <nvda@nvda.groups.io>
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Subject: [nvda] Fn Key Issues

Dear all,

I apologize for this not being strictly NVDA related, but more in regards to adapting to a keyboard which poses unique challenges in the issuance of NVDA key commands. I recently purchased an external keyboard which was overall great value for money, apart from one pestiferous problem.

To emulate the Home, End, Page Up and Page Down functions, I need to press the Function (Fn) key in conjunction with the arrow keys. This is not atypical for me as I need to do this even on my built in laptop keyboard. However, on my laptop, I am absolutely used to pressing Ctrl followed by Function followed by right arrow for Ctrl+Home, whereas on this new external keyboard, I need to hold down Function first, and then press keys like Ctrl and right arrow. This is getting particularly problematic since my brain is wired to use the Function key preceding an arrow key only when I want to select an entire line or page as opposed to holding down Function first and foremost, and then pressing things like NVDA modifier+Shift+right arrow to read the status bar.

Is there any way - software settting or device setup or otherwise - by which I can get this external keyboard to act similar to my laptop keyboard, in that I need to press the Function key only before the arrow keys or the key whose secondary function will be induced as opposed to the first key in any multi-key combinaition?

I would greatly appreciate any assistance in this regard.

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I haven’t tried it yet. I love using NVDA with the touchscreen 😀 Narrator works well too but not nearly as good as NVDA.

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Josh Kennedy
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 1:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

 

did you try using the NVDA bluetooth audio addon? that fixes all of my audio issues when using bluetooth. 

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