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locked Re: NVDA and tablets

molly the blind tech lover
 

Maybe it works with narrator?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

 

Well, some computers have different ways by which you can go there, so I wouldn't know the right answer for you.
However, don't want to let you down but it's just inaccessible for us. Means we only can do anything there with sighted assistance. So sad.


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Em 12/02/2019 23:30, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

How do you go to the bios settings? I’ve always wanted to explore that setting 😀

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

 

Would it not be the function key's configuration? I had an HP and had this problem as well, I changed it by going to the BIOS settings.


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Em 12/02/2019 23:12, Chris Shook escreveu:

Speaking of laptops, avoid getting an HP they got rid of some of the F commands.
F6 is still there, along with F5 and F 8, but when i hit F12 to check the time, nothing happens. Had the same problem on my old computer.


 

 


Re: List Moderation #adminnotice

Gene
 

It isn't a question of whether it works.  A group like NVDA users benefits from a sense of community.  Being on a list and never discussing anything else except for questions and answers regarding NVDA doesn't build any community support nor any sense of anyone on the list being anything but a complete stranger.  There may be some lists where strict limits as to staying on topic are desirable, not this one.  Flames shouldn't be allowed.  I'm just commenting on the benefits, that may not be obvious, to allowing other topics to be discussed to an extent.  I'm not speaking for the owner.  Those are my views and I think not being overly strict benefits the community of members.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] List Moderation #adminnotice

If I were running the list you all would hate me.

1 don't stay off topic, ever.
2 no flaming.
3. If you do stray or flame you will be giving 3 strikes and you will be kicked out for good.

That's how I run all of my lists and trust me, it works.

Take care

On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:33, Chris Shook wrote:

My apologies as well.
I'll try and stay on topic in the future.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Nimer Jaber
 

Hello,

Let's try to begin wrapping up this thread now. This has gone on for a while now.

Thanks.


On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 18:48 marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io wrote:
What you want to do?
Sorry, I can't see the original message anywhere!

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Em 12/02/2019 23:22, Chris Shook escreveu:
Could you send me instructions how to do that?
Can it be done with a screen reader?






Re: List Moderation #adminnotice

Nimer Jaber
 

Okay everyone, let's please wrap up this thread now.

Thanks.


On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 18:55 Sarah k Alawami <marrie12@... wrote:

If I were running the list you all would hate me.

1 don't stay off topic, ever.
2 no flaming.
3. If you do stray or flame you will be giving 3 strikes and you will be kicked out for good.

That's how I run all of my lists and trust me, it works.

Take care

On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:33, Chris Shook wrote:

My apologies as well.
I'll try and stay on topic in the future.


Re: List Moderation #adminnotice

Sarah k Alawami
 

I also can be a bit loose in terms of moderation as well, except for the three hard and fast rules I posted. But normally people forget I'm mod until I step i. This from a 500 member list that has come with me for 15 years or somethingn like that.

Take care

On 12 Feb 2019, at 16:23, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Lol, the first line in your message! For a moment I was believing you were talking serious. Scared and made me laugh a lot after the reality came up.

Cheers,
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Em 12/02/2019 22:04, Nimer Jaber escreveu:
No!! No joking allowed!! This is your big bad owner, and no joking I tell you, no joking allowed!!

Seriously, I generally run a pretty loose ship, and believe that many things sort themselves out, that everyone is an adult, and until they prove me otherwise, I assume that the more hands-off I am, the better unless something comes up that requires me to step in. My job, as I see it, is to serve you and the community. I will be looking for a moderator with the same mindset, and joking will certainly not be disallowed.

As for off-topic messages, I have always said that off-topic messages, in a small quantity, are helpful to lists and list members, but if threads go on for days, or if a member continually posts off-topic messages, that at some point has to end for the sanity of the thousand members we have on this list.

Thanks as always for each of your contributions to jokes!

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 3:33 PM Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
My apologies as well.
I'll try and stay on topic in the future.





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Re: List Moderation #adminnotice

Sarah k Alawami
 

If I were running the list you all would hate me.

1 don't stay off topic, ever.
2 no flaming.
3. If you do stray or flame you will be giving 3 strikes and you will be kicked out for good.

That's how I run all of my lists and trust me, it works.

Take care

On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:33, Chris Shook wrote:

My apologies as well.
I'll try and stay on topic in the future.


Re: screen curtains

Don H
 

Yep just tried the screen curtain addon for NVDA and you can definitely still see the glow of the screen which tells me that not much power saving is accomplished. Just a nice way to avoid wondering eyes.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

 

Well, some computers have different ways by which you can go there, so I wouldn't know the right answer for you.
However, don't want to let you down but it's just inaccessible for us. Means we only can do anything there with sighted assistance. So sad.

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 12/02/2019 23:30, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

How do you go to the bios settings? I’ve always wanted to explore that setting 😀

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

 

Would it not be the function key's configuration? I had an HP and had this problem as well, I changed it by going to the BIOS settings.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 12/02/2019 23:12, Chris Shook escreveu:

Speaking of laptops, avoid getting an HP they got rid of some of the F commands.
F6 is still there, along with F5 and F 8, but when i hit F12 to check the time, nothing happens. Had the same problem on my old computer.



 



Re: screen curtains

Quentin Christensen
 

It is likely that mobile operating systems have a way to turn the screen off while leaving touch enabled - it could be done on Windows, but it would need to be something Microsoft built in, it can't be something we can bolt-on after the fact - If Microsoft built such a feature in, we could tap into it.


On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 12:36 PM Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 08:26 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
The way screen curtain (in any AT) works presently, is that it overrides whatever gets sent to the screen with black pixels. 
This is in direct contravention to my own anecdotal observations with every smartphone and tablet user who has screen curtains turned on.

And I've been around a lot of them.  It is possible to drive the touch part of a touch-enabled device with all the rest of the screen powered off, and since there is no backlighting or other illumination of any sort present when screen curtain is on in Android or iOS I very much doubt the screen itself is on and being written over.
 
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Re: screen curtains

 

Don, no argument there.  

My comments apply only to handheld and tablet devices I've dealt with.  On computers, particularly laptops, you can most often see that the backlighting is still on, and the screen black, which suggests Quentin's proposition is indeed what's going on there.
 
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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

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locked Re: NVDA and tablets

 

What you want to do?
Sorry, I can't see the original message anywhere!

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 12/02/2019 23:22, Chris Shook escreveu:

Could you send me instructions how to do that?
Can it be done with a screen reader?






Re: screen curtains

molly the blind tech lover
 

Speaking of screen curtain it’s cool and all butt when I turned it on, NVDA like froze or something.

,

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brian Vogel
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:37 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen curtains

 

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 08:26 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

The way screen curtain (in any AT) works presently, is that it overrides whatever gets sent to the screen with black pixels. 

This is in direct contravention to my own anecdotal observations with every smartphone and tablet user who has screen curtains turned on.

And I've been around a lot of them.  It is possible to drive the touch part of a touch-enabled device with all the rest of the screen powered off, and since there is no backlighting or other illumination of any sort present when screen curtain is on in Android or iOS I very much doubt the screen itself is on and being written over.
 
--

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A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: screen curtains

Don H
 

On my win 10 laptop using Jaws 2019 and its screen curtain feature you can still the screen is on just not readable.

On 2/12/2019 7:36 PM, Brian Vogel wrote:
On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 08:26 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
The way screen curtain (in any AT) works presently, is that it
overrides whatever gets sent to the screen with black pixels. This is in direct contravention to my own anecdotal observations with every smartphone and tablet user who has screen curtains turned on.
And I've been around a lot of them.  It is possible to drive the touch part of a touch-enabled device with all the rest of the screen powered off, and since there is no backlighting or other illumination of any sort present when screen curtain is on in Android or iOS I very much doubt the screen itself is on and being written over.
--
Brian *-*Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763
*/A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep./*
          ~ Saul Bellow, /To Jerusalem and Back/


Re: screen curtains

 

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 08:26 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:
The way screen curtain (in any AT) works presently, is that it overrides whatever gets sent to the screen with black pixels. 
This is in direct contravention to my own anecdotal observations with every smartphone and tablet user who has screen curtains turned on.

And I've been around a lot of them.  It is possible to drive the touch part of a touch-enabled device with all the rest of the screen powered off, and since there is no backlighting or other illumination of any sort present when screen curtain is on in Android or iOS I very much doubt the screen itself is on and being written over.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: acapella and codefactory voices

Isaac <bigikemusic@...>
 

Hi, I was wondering how to re-authorize acapella and code factory voices I
lost my codes and all, is there a way I could get help?

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:42 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] acapella and codefactory voices

Isac:
I don't see any providers in your last post.
Did I miss something?


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Jaffar Sidek
 

NVDA and tablets?  NVDA sounds like it has a severe cold on my pc, or is it on my Tablet?  My only wonder is that it hasn't sneezed.  Cheers!

On 2/13/2019 7:51 AM, Richard Wells wrote:
This may be more of a sight thing. My sighted wife uses a laptop with a touch screen and she finds the screen allows her to do some tasks easier than the touch pad does.

On 2/12/2019 2:24 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
I know, right? One thing I love about my tablet is that it can detect when
the physical keyboard is not in use.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 3:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

Tell me about it. I don't think a touch screen works as well on a laptip as
it does on a tablet.
You know, come to think of it, what is the point of a touch screen on a
laptip? THats what the keyboard and mouse are for.







locked Re: NVDA and tablets

molly the blind tech lover
 

How do you go to the bios settings? I’ve always wanted to explore that setting 😀

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

 

Would it not be the function key's configuration? I had an HP and had this problem as well, I changed it by going to the BIOS settings.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 12/02/2019 23:12, Chris Shook escreveu:

Speaking of laptops, avoid getting an HP they got rid of some of the F commands.
F6 is still there, along with F5 and F 8, but when i hit F12 to check the time, nothing happens. Had the same problem on my old computer.



 


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

molly the blind tech lover
 

Uh ewww. My mom has an hp. Covered in dust and cat hair and slow as molasses
lol

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:12 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

Speaking of laptops, avoid getting an HP they got rid of some of the F
commands.
F6 is still there, along with F5 and F 8, but when i hit F12 to check the
time, nothing happens. Had the same problem on my old computer.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

molly the blind tech lover
 

cool

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Brad Snyder
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:11 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

 

Screen curtain feature in JAWS began in JAWS 2018.

To activate the feature, press JAWS key + Spacebar, followed by F11.  This is a toggle, so repeat to turn it off.

 

HTH


- Brad -


 

On Feb 12, 2019, at 18:39, Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:

 

I haven't found anyting that is an equivalent to the screen curtain for JAWS.
It's possible I just don't know where to look, but I don't see anything on their website.
I'll tell you this much, it's nearly impossible for a sighted person to use a mouse when JAWS is axtive, or at least it used to be.


 


Re: screen curtains

Quentin Christensen
 

Don, you are correct.  The way screen curtain (in any AT) works presently, is that it overrides whatever gets sent to the screen with black pixels.  Because of that, it may actually save a little battery life (vs displaying white pixels at full brightness), I'm not sure - but in order to save battery life what you would really need is to turn the screen off altogether.  Some versions of Windows let you use either WINDOWS+P, or your laptop's command to display on a second screen only - and if you don't have one attached that's like turning the screen off, but some are too "clever" and realise you don't have a second screen so disable it.

The primary reason for using screen curtain therefore is privacy.


On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 11:36 AM Don H <lmddh50@...> wrote:
I could be wrong but I don't think screen curtains save anything on
battery life.

On 2/12/2019 6:34 PM, molly the blind tech lover wrote:
> lol
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
> Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 7:24 PM
> To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
> Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets
>
> Molly,
> My and your posts describing the screen curtain were scarily similar.
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