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Re: List Moderation #adminnotice

 

That actually does bring up an interesting point though.

I forget exactly what it was, I think nvda-chat, but when things got to offtopic a chat list was created but we don't use it.

So, we should just go offtopic and use it if we want to I forget the address but it was decided by the group earlier on and well we don't use it so we should except I forget the address.



On 13/02/2019 2:57 PM, Sarah k Alawami wrote:

I also can be a bit loose in terms of moderation as well, except for the three hard and fast rules I posted. But normally people forget I'm mod until I step i. This from a 500 member list that has come with me for 15 years or somethingn like that.

Take care

On 12 Feb 2019, at 16:23, marcio via Groups.Io wrote:

Lol, the first line in your message! For a moment I was believing you were talking serious. Scared and made me laugh a lot after the reality came up.

Cheers,
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Em 12/02/2019 22:04, Nimer Jaber escreveu:
No!! No joking allowed!! This is your big bad owner, and no joking I tell you, no joking allowed!!

Seriously, I generally run a pretty loose ship, and believe that many things sort themselves out, that everyone is an adult, and until they prove me otherwise, I assume that the more hands-off I am, the better unless something comes up that requires me to step in. My job, as I see it, is to serve you and the community. I will be looking for a moderator with the same mindset, and joking will certainly not be disallowed.

As for off-topic messages, I have always said that off-topic messages, in a small quantity, are helpful to lists and list members, but if threads go on for days, or if a member continually posts off-topic messages, that at some point has to end for the sanity of the thousand members we have on this list.

Thanks as always for each of your contributions to jokes!

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 3:33 PM Chris Shook <chris0309@...> wrote:
My apologies as well.
I'll try and stay on topic in the future.





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Re: screen curtains

Sarah k Alawami
 

Actually now you I think press the volume keys 3 times to turn and off screen curtain if you have that option set in talkback. But no, the add on for NVDA does not save much battery, if you want to do that I guess lower yoru brightness through the control panel or through fn keys?

Take care

On 12 Feb 2019, at 18:16, molly the blind tech lover wrote:

In Android you double click the power button while TalkBack is running. It's
stays running as long as TalkBack is running.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

 

Well you need to turn off action keys in the bios with sighted help which is what I did.

You can still use fn and your f keys to trigger those keys but they are stuck in overlay mode right now by default.

On 13/02/2019 2:12 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
Speaking of laptops, avoid getting an HP they got rid of some of the F commands.
F6 is still there, along with F5 and F 8, but when i hit F12 to check the time, nothing happens. Had the same problem on my old computer.



locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Richard Wells
 

I am indeed. I was baptized by fire into NVDA when it became the only adaptive technology for Windows available to me in June of 2015. I haven't looked back since. What doesn't kill you only makes you stronger.

On 2/12/2019 8:25 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
Richard,
Thanks for the info.
Hey, are you the same Richard that used to be on Serotek's website.
If so, it's good to hear from you again.


Re: screen curtains

Laurie Mehta
 

I'm not sure if this is relevant to a pc screen but on an iPhone, if screen curtain is on, there is still a slight glow to the phone's screen even though the effect is a blackened screen. You can check this (if you have some sight) by putting screen curtain on the phone while in a totally dark room.

I use a MacBook-Air with BootCamp to use Windows. This laptop has a feature that allows one to adjust the keyboard brightness as well as adjust the screen brightness. I work with keyboard backlighting and screen lighting turned down to zero and I find that the laptop battery lasts much longer that way than it does if either the keyboard or screen is lighted.

I do not know if regular laptops have a button for adjusting screen and keyboard brightness.
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On Tue, 2/12/19, Brian Vogel <@britechguy> wrote:

Subject: Re: [nvda] screen curtains
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Date: Tuesday, February 12, 2019, 5:36 PM

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at
08:26 PM, Quentin Christensen wrote:

The way screen curtain (in any AT) works
presently, is that it overrides whatever gets sent to the
screen with black pixels. 
This is in direct contravention to my own anecdotal
observations with every smartphone and tablet user who has
screen curtains turned on.

And I've been around a lot of them.  It is
possible to drive the touch part of a touch-enabled device
with all the rest of the screen powered off, and since there
is no backlighting or other illumination of any sort present
when screen curtain is on in Android or iOS I very much
doubt the screen itself is on and being written over.
 
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locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Richard,
Thanks for the info.
Hey, are you the same Richard that used to be on Serotek's website.
If so, it's good to hear from you again.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Martio,
I apologise for that last question. I didn't see the message about not being able to modify the bios settings with a screen reader until after I sent it.
Chris


Re: List Moderation #adminnotice

molly the blind tech lover
 

I agree

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:16 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] List Moderation #adminnotice

 

Well said, Gene.


Cheers,
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Em 13/02/2019 00:00, Gene escreveu:

It isn't a question of whether it works.  A group like NVDA users benefits from a sense of community.  Being on a list and never discussing anything else except for questions and answers regarding NVDA doesn't build any community support nor any sense of anyone on the list being anything but a complete stranger.  There may be some lists where strict limits as to staying on topic are desirable, not this one.  Flames shouldn't be allowed.  I'm just commenting on the benefits, that may not be obvious, to allowing other topics to be discussed to an extent.  I'm not speaking for the owner.  Those are my views and I think not being overly strict benefits the community of members.

 

Gene

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 7:55 PM

Subject: Re: [nvda] List Moderation #adminnotice

 

If I were running the list you all would hate me.

1 don't stay off topic, ever.
2 no flaming.
3. If you do stray or flame you will be giving 3 strikes and you will be kicked out for good.

That's how I run all of my lists and trust me, it works.

Take care

On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:33, Chris Shook wrote:

My apologies as well.
I'll try and stay on topic in the future.

 


Re: screen curtains

molly the blind tech lover
 

Um. Uh. Yeah... We should end this thread I don't want to upset anyone 😨

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:15 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen curtains

Uh-o.
Were you able to get it unstuck?


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

molly the blind tech lover
 

Thanks so much for this.

I’ll play around with it. But I think we’re supposed to end this thread  😨

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:10 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

 

Let's see if I can help you out.
P.S.: What follows is a bit long, sorry about it, just wanted to make things as clearer as I could.

First, go to the NVDA Menu.
Being there, search for input gesture, by arrowing up and down.

Now, there's 2 ways of doing the thing work.
I'll talk about the easier first then I'll show the harder, so you can play with it as you wish.
Being on the input gestures window, tab until the field "filter by". Here you will type "screen curtain" (without quotes).
After you've typed it, don't press enter, press tab.
You should hear "tools".
Arrow down once and you'll have almost finished.
Press tab until the "add" button, then press space.
Right after you press space on it, you should enter with the keystroke you want to be the one to turn the screen curtain on/off.
When you've done it, choose in which layout you want to use this command (desktop, laptop or both) then press enter on the option you chose.
Done, you've created the keystroke to use the add-on!

Now, talking about the second way.
The input gesture window itself is a bit cluttered but let's try not to complicate things here.
Right after being in the input gestures window, press tab.
Arrow down til "tools" and press enter.
Right arrow to expand it, then arrow down until "toggles screen curtain on or off".
After you find it, you can just follow up from the "add" button described on the first way explanation.

Sincerely, hope this helps :)

Cheers,
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Em 12/02/2019 23:24, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

I installed screen curtain, guys. I have no idea how to use it lol. ,
 
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets
 
marcio:
Thanks for the link. As an aside, does anyone else use the laptop keyboard
Layout?
That is so much easier than the desktop layout.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

 

Hey, sorry. I didn't see the warning before writing my last answers, I'm stopping it right now.

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Em 12/02/2019 23:59, Nimer Jaber escreveu:

Hello,

Let's try to begin wrapping up this thread now. This has gone on for a while now.

Thanks.


On Tue, Feb 12, 2019, 18:48 marcio via Groups.Io <marcinhorj21=yahoo.com.br@groups.io wrote:
What you want to do?
Sorry, I can't see the original message anywhere!

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Em 12/02/2019 23:22, Chris Shook escreveu:
Could you send me instructions how to do that?
Can it be done with a screen reader?







locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Richard Wells
 

HP computers are easy to fix when this happens. Just have someone sighted go into bios and disable multimedia keys.

On 2/12/2019 7:12 PM, Chris Shook wrote:
Speaking of laptops, avoid getting an HP they got rid of some of the F commands.
F6 is still there, along with F5 and F 8, but when i hit F12 to check the time, nothing happens. Had the same problem on my old computer.


Re: List Moderation #adminnotice

 

Well said, Gene.

Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 13/02/2019 00:00, Gene escreveu:

It isn't a question of whether it works.  A group like NVDA users benefits from a sense of community.  Being on a list and never discussing anything else except for questions and answers regarding NVDA doesn't build any community support nor any sense of anyone on the list being anything but a complete stranger.  There may be some lists where strict limits as to staying on topic are desirable, not this one.  Flames shouldn't be allowed.  I'm just commenting on the benefits, that may not be obvious, to allowing other topics to be discussed to an extent.  I'm not speaking for the owner.  Those are my views and I think not being overly strict benefits the community of members.
 
Gene
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nvda] List Moderation #adminnotice

If I were running the list you all would hate me.

1 don't stay off topic, ever.
2 no flaming.
3. If you do stray or flame you will be giving 3 strikes and you will be kicked out for good.

That's how I run all of my lists and trust me, it works.

Take care

On 12 Feb 2019, at 14:33, Chris Shook wrote:

My apologies as well.
I'll try and stay on topic in the future.



Re: screen curtains

molly the blind tech lover
 

In Android you double click the power button while TalkBack is running. It's
stays running as long as TalkBack is running.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 9:08 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] screen curtains

In IOS screen curtain is connected to voice over and only stays off so long
as VoiceOver is on.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

 

No, not really :(

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Em 13/02/2019 00:01, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

Maybe it works with narrator?

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:49 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

 

Well, some computers have different ways by which you can go there, so I wouldn't know the right answer for you.
However, don't want to let you down but it's just inaccessible for us. Means we only can do anything there with sighted assistance. So sad.


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Em 12/02/2019 23:30, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

How do you go to the bios settings? I’ve always wanted to explore that setting 😀

 

From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of marcio via Groups.Io
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:13 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

 

Would it not be the function key's configuration? I had an HP and had this problem as well, I changed it by going to the BIOS settings.


Cheers,
Marcio
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Em 12/02/2019 23:12, Chris Shook escreveu:

Speaking of laptops, avoid getting an HP they got rid of some of the F commands.
F6 is still there, along with F5 and F 8, but when i hit F12 to check the time, nothing happens. Had the same problem on my old computer.


 

 



locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

marcio,
Could you send me instructions how to modify the bios settings so that my F keys will work again please?


Re: screen curtains

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Uh-o.
Were you able to get it unstuck?


Re: acapella and codefactory voices

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Your codes should be in the email you got.
WIth CodeFactory, you'll have to submit a ticket, on the CodeFactory and Eloquence for NVDA website.
Make sure to label the request as high priority. If you set it on low, it'll be months before you hear anything back from them.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

 

Let's see if I can help you out.
P.S.: What follows is a bit long, sorry about it, just wanted to make things as clearer as I could.

First, go to the NVDA Menu.
Being there, search for input gesture, by arrowing up and down.

Now, there's 2 ways of doing the thing work.
I'll talk about the easier first then I'll show the harder, so you can play with it as you wish.
Being on the input gestures window, tab until the field "filter by". Here you will type "screen curtain" (without quotes).
After you've typed it, don't press enter, press tab.
You should hear "tools".
Arrow down once and you'll have almost finished.
Press tab until the "add" button, then press space.
Right after you press space on it, you should enter with the keystroke you want to be the one to turn the screen curtain on/off.
When you've done it, choose in which layout you want to use this command (desktop, laptop or both) then press enter on the option you chose.
Done, you've created the keystroke to use the add-on!

Now, talking about the second way.
The input gesture window itself is a bit cluttered but let's try not to complicate things here.
Right after being in the input gestures window, press tab.
Arrow down til "tools" and press enter.
Right arrow to expand it, then arrow down until "toggles screen curtain on or off".
After you find it, you can just follow up from the "add" button described on the first way explanation.

Sincerely, hope this helps :)

Cheers,
Marcio
Follow me on Twitter

Em 12/02/2019 23:24, molly the blind tech lover escreveu:

I installed screen curtain, guys. I have no idea how to use it lol. ,

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 8:04 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

marcio:
Thanks for the link. As an aside, does anyone else use the laptop keyboard
Layout?
That is so much easier than the desktop layout.










Re: screen curtains

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

In IOS screen curtain is connected to voice over and only stays off so long as VoiceOver is on.