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locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Nah, we already have cancer from cell phones, didn't you know?


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

molly the blind tech lover
 

I don't understand what the problem is. We're having an interesting discussion. We all love NVDA but we're not all programmed like mindless robots to only talk about NVDA 100 percent of the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Don H
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:20 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

Here we go again nothing to do about NVDA.

On 2/13/2019 10:06 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Stranger and stranger.
Has anyone done astudy to see how magnetic earbuds are changing our
brain patterns.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of
molly the blind tech lover
Sent: February-13-19 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

I think the earbuds are magnetic. It's so freaking weird lol

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris
Shook
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

That's weird, that's really weird.












locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Don H
 

Here we go again nothing to do about NVDA.

On 2/13/2019 10:06 AM, Monte Single wrote:
Stranger and stranger.
Has anyone done astudy to see how magnetic earbuds are changing our brain
patterns.
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly
the blind tech lover
Sent: February-13-19 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets
I think the earbuds are magnetic. It's so freaking weird lol
-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets
That's weird, that's really weird.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

molly the blind tech lover
 

Creepy. We'll probably get cancer one day from this technology lol.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Monte Single
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 11:06 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

Stranger and stranger.
Has anyone done astudy to see how magnetic earbuds are changing our brain
patterns.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly
the blind tech lover
Sent: February-13-19 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

I think the earbuds are magnetic. It's so freaking weird lol

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

That's weird, that's really weird.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Monte Single
 

Stranger and stranger.
Has anyone done astudy to see how magnetic earbuds are changing our brain
patterns.

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] On Behalf Of molly
the blind tech lover
Sent: February-13-19 9:42 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

I think the earbuds are magnetic. It's so freaking weird lol

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

That's weird, that's really weird.


Re: Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

Jackie
 

Hello, Greg. I really wasn't able to look much at the source because
it appears you've got some sort of proprietary Javascript framework
running, which, if I'm at all correct, is not helping your cause. Your
objects appear to be clickable elements as opposed to standard links.
These may or may not work well w/NVDA depending on whether or not the
mouse is positioned properly. They certainly don't appear to do
anything when using either the left-click key or the object activation
key commands.

I am assuming, simply because you appear to know something about this,
that you've used alt tags to label images. That's always a dangerous
thing to do, though, as I'm certain you're well aware. Because I
couldn't study the source, I couldn't tell, but obviously those are
always a first step.

It also appears from the source that you may be importing content from
elsewhere, ie, I'm seeing references to IFrame in your javascript, &
that, too, may not be helping. I really think the problem here is
primarily your website framework. Again, not being able to look at the
full source is problematic, but that's my assessment after a 10-minute
glance, which likely is all my time permits. I do appreciate your
wanting to make your photo site accessible. I think a more
standardized content management system like WordPress or Drupal is
likely the 1 biggest step you could take to achieve that, & I also
understand that kind of undertaking isn't likely something you want to
do.

On 2/13/19, Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...> wrote:
Hello Greg,

now, bare in mind I am not a web developer wiz myself.

However, the first thing that came to mind, have you tested the link with
other browsers?

I see the descriptions reliably with Firefox 60.3 ESR and Google Chrome
72.0.3, the system is a Win 10 64 Bit.

You might want to look into your website building tool of choice to find the
answer to this issue.

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka






Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von
greg@...
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2019 15:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

I am a photographer / content creator that specializes in panoramic imagery
like you would find on Google Street View. I use NVDA to test the
accessibility of my projects. Generally, these projects are based on a
straight line array of thumbnails which each contain a tooltip giving a
basic name for the corresponding panorama. Sometimes, there is a combobox
that lists categories or areas each, in turn, have there own array of
panoramas....and thumbnails associated with them. I am using Chrome 72.0
and Firefox 65.0 on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine....and, Microsoft Edge 44.177
on a 64 Bit Windows 10 Machine to test this link:
http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/degraynew/tour.html. This is a
virtual tour of DeGray Lake in Arkansas.
To be honest, there appears to be virtually no accessibility in this project
most of the time. But for some reason, sometimes the page will load and
NVDA will first read the Combobox List, and then proceed to name all of the
150 or so thumbnail titles. It seems like that could be a good start to
achieving some standard of accessibility, but I don't understand why it only
does it every once in awhile.

I would be grateful for any feedback that anyone could give on how to
improve the accessibility of this project and I would be even more grateful
for information on how to tweak NVDA to get the best results. For example,
if I alternate between using the tab key and doing 1 mouse click in the
screen, I can move one by one through the thumbnails which are all
selectable. Then, If I could get NVDA to read the tooltip associated with
each thumbnail....I feel that I will have made some progress. Any advice
would be appreciated.

Cheers, Reggie
--
Greg Hosler

www.photographyoptions.com<http://www.photographyoptions.com>

Greg@...<mailto:Greg@...>

865-774-9755




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Re: Hey dear NVDA users Quary about NVDA with excel.

 

hi.
do you mean that updating 2016 and 2019 are forceably like windows ten
which updates automaticly?
thanks for your answer, God bless you!

On 2/13/19, Shaun Everiss <sm.everiss@...> wrote:
Have you installed the latest office update.

For all office users xp-2010 check for updates as usual.

Everyone above and including 2013 and higher, in any office app, the
sequence is alt f d r then the first option is check for updates.

then alt tab back, exit office app, wait to have that update loaded and
when the window closes the system will be updated then restart and its
fine.

For office 2016 and higher you will be politely be told when the updates
are loaded.



On 13/02/2019 10:12 PM, Bianka Brankovic wrote:

Hello,

for me, this sounds like an Excel and not a screen reader issue.

How do you want to add the row at the end oft the document? What keys
do you press/what do you do?

Thanks and kind regards,

Bianka



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from the husk of a grain of barley,
I would not do it.
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locked Re: NVDA and tablets

molly the blind tech lover
 

I think the earbuds are magnetic. It's so freaking weird lol

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 10:25 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

That's weird, that's really weird.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

That's weird, that's really weird.


locked Re: NVDA and tablets

molly the blind tech lover
 

Wait till you hear this lol. My earbuds stick to my screen lol

-----Original Message-----
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io <nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Chris Shook
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 9:24 AM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and tablets

Molly, You for got a magnet.
While that won't kill it, it'll really mess up the monitor.
Well, I don't think it'll kill it.
I need to borrow someone's computer for a second. Any takers?


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

On Wed, Feb 13, 2019 at 10:11 AM, Devin Prater wrote:
With Jaws, it works great, but not with NVDA.
Again, in what way?   It's impossible to make suggestions of any kind when assertions are not specific as to what you can do with one that you cannot do with the other.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

Bianka Brankovic <bianka.brankovic@...>
 

Hello Greg,

 

now, bare in mind I am not a web developer wiz myself.

 

However, the first thing that came to mind, have you tested the link with other browsers?

 

I see the descriptions reliably with Firefox 60.3 ESR and Google Chrome 72.0.3, the system is a Win 10 64 Bit.  

 

You might want to look into your website building tool of choice to find the answer to this issue.

 

Thanks and kind regards,

 

Bianka

 

 

 

 

 

 

Von: nvda@nvda.groups.io [mailto:nvda@nvda.groups.io] Im Auftrag von greg@...
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Februar 2019 15:54
An: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Betreff: [nvda] Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

 

I am a photographer / content creator that specializes in panoramic imagery like you would find on Google Street View.  I use NVDA to test the accessibility of my projects.  Generally, these projects are based on a straight line array of thumbnails which each contain a tooltip giving a basic name for the corresponding panorama.  Sometimes, there is a combobox that lists categories or areas each, in turn, have there own array of panoramas....and thumbnails associated with them.  I am using Chrome 72.0 and Firefox 65.0 on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine....and, Microsoft Edge 44.177 on a 64 Bit Windows 10 Machine to test this link:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/degraynew/tour.html.  This is a virtual tour of DeGray Lake in Arkansas.
To be honest, there appears to be virtually no accessibility in this project most of the time.  But for some reason, sometimes the page will load and NVDA will first read the Combobox List, and then proceed to name all of the 150 or so thumbnail titles. It seems like that could be a good start to achieving some standard of accessibility, but I don't understand why it only does it every once in awhile.

I would be grateful for any feedback that anyone could give on how to improve the accessibility of this project and I would be even more grateful for information on how to tweak NVDA to get the best results.  For example, if I alternate between using the tab key and doing 1 mouse click in the screen, I can move one by one through the thumbnails which are all selectable.  Then, If I could get NVDA to read the tooltip associated with each thumbnail....I feel that I will have made some progress.  Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers, Reggie
--
Greg Hosler

www.photographyoptions.com

Greg@...

865-774-9755


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Devin Prater
 

With Jaws, it works great, but not with NVDA.

On Feb 13, 2019, at 9:09 AM, Brian Vogel <britechguy@...> wrote:

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 07:36 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
threaded view in Outlook seems to be impossible to navigate with a screenreader.
In what way?   I teach my clients to use the threaded view in any e-mail client, including Outlook.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 
 


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

On Tue, Feb 12, 2019 at 07:36 PM, Tony Malykh wrote:
threaded view in Outlook seems to be impossible to navigate with a screenreader.
In what way?   I teach my clients to use the threaded view in any e-mail client, including Outlook.
 
--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

 

Cearbhall,

          It's not clear from what you've said whether you know this or not, but if, when you're actually reading a message, you can delete it from within the reading window with CTRL+D and you will still then be thrown back out to your message list on to the message or conversation which immediately followed it.

          This could save you a step.

--

Brian - Windows 10 Home, 64-Bit, Version 1809, Build 17763  

A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.

          ~ Saul Bellow, To Jerusalem and Back

 

 


Re: Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

Chris Shook <chris0309@...>
 

Sorry Greg, but I have to ask, are you totally blind?
If so, how do you work in photography?
I'm not trying to be offensive, I'm genuinely curious.
NVDA will probably be the first one to have accessibility in this area, mostly because I'd bet good money no one ever thought to make photography websites or programs accessible.


Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Gene
 

You can do such things with a Windows program, you would set them up in a different way.  I want to hear who a message is from and the subject so I've never tried to only hear the subject alone.  You can set the order of fields in the program.  If I had the subject line first, I could down arrow from message to message and hear the subject.  Then, I could down arrow again to hear the next subject.  If I had the person sending the message set as the next header, I could let the reading continue to hear the name and then down arrow to the next message.  I don't read mail by conversation but I'm confident someone can explain how to do the same thing as you do.
 
Gene

----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2019 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Molly, my favorite is Apple Mail on the Mac. I can “interact” with the table of coloumns of mail headers, from, to, subject, date ETC. In there, I can move right to “subject”, and move down the messages only hearing subject, which is what I do. I can select in this way, and hear only subject as I’m selecting.

Aditionally, when in conversations, all I have to do to get to the next message in the conversation is stop interacting, and press VOICEOVER+Right arrow to move to the next messages after the one I’m on. It makes reading mail a joy, and something I’ve never found in Windows mail clients.

On Feb 12, 2019, at 3:56 PM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

What’s your favorite email app 😊
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list
 

I wish I could love Outlook, I really do, but I've not found an efficient way of handling threaded emails yet at all. I mean, going from one email in a thread to another without having to go back into the inbox and choose the next message..  


On Feb 12, 2019, at 3:43 PM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

I totally use outlook. I love it 😀
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list
 
Dear all,
 
I was reading a discussion here in this forum where a jaws user complained that in NVDA you cannot filter columns in Outlook’s message list. Well, this is actually not true. This is not a screen reader setting, it is an outlook setting. If you go to view ribbon and then to advanced view settings and then to columns, you can add, remove and reorder columns as you like. You can remove the column which reports attachment, you can remove the cathegory column, the subject column etc.
 
Actually I can work with NVDA in a very efficient way just by using outlook’s settings efficiently. And this is the most important thing. A screen reader can be very efficient if you know the program you are working with and if you know all the settings that makes your live easier.
 
Best
Adriani
 
 



Re: NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list

Devin Prater
 

Molly, my favorite is Apple Mail on the Mac. I can “interact” with the table of coloumns of mail headers, from, to, subject, date ETC. In there, I can move right to “subject”, and move down the messages only hearing subject, which is what I do. I can select in this way, and hear only subject as I’m selecting.

Aditionally, when in conversations, all I have to do to get to the next message in the conversation is stop interacting, and press VOICEOVER+Right arrow to move to the next messages after the one I’m on. It makes reading mail a joy, and something I’ve never found in Windows mail clients.

On Feb 12, 2019, at 3:56 PM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

What’s your favorite email app 😊
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Devin Prater
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:52 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: Re: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list
 

I wish I could love Outlook, I really do, but I've not found an efficient way of handling threaded emails yet at all. I mean, going from one email in a thread to another without having to go back into the inbox and choose the next message..  


On Feb 12, 2019, at 3:43 PM, molly the blind tech lover <brainardmolly@...> wrote:

I totally use outlook. I love it 😀
 
From: nvda@nvda.groups.io<nvda@nvda.groups.io> On Behalf Of Adriani Botez
Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2019 4:34 PM
To: nvda@nvda.groups.io
Subject: [nvda] NVDA and outlook, discussion about columns in message list
 
Dear all,
 
I was reading a discussion here in this forum where a jaws user complained that in NVDA you cannot filter columns in Outlook’s message list. Well, this is actually not true. This is not a screen reader setting, it is an outlook setting. If you go to view ribbon and then to advanced view settings and then to columns, you can add, remove and reorder columns as you like. You can remove the column which reports attachment, you can remove the cathegory column, the subject column etc.
 
Actually I can work with NVDA in a very efficient way just by using outlook’s settings efficiently. And this is the most important thing. A screen reader can be very efficient if you know the program you are working with and if you know all the settings that makes your live easier.
 
Best
Adriani
 
 



row and column titles

Robert Doc Wright godfearer
 

NVDA+shift+r or c works fine if I only need a single column title. It does not work if I choose multiple columns. When I press that key command after selecting two or more columns it types the letter  r or c.

 

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

 


Accessibility tips on this website would be appreciated

greg@...
 

I am a photographer / content creator that specializes in panoramic imagery like you would find on Google Street View.  I use NVDA to test the accessibility of my projects.  Generally, these projects are based on a straight line array of thumbnails which each contain a tooltip giving a basic name for the corresponding panorama.  Sometimes, there is a combobox that lists categories or areas each, in turn, have there own array of panoramas....and thumbnails associated with them.  I am using Chrome 72.0 and Firefox 65.0 on a 64 bit Windows 7 machine....and, Microsoft Edge 44.177 on a 64 Bit Windows 10 Machine to test this link:  http://www.photographyoptions.net/images/degraynew/tour.html.  This is a virtual tour of DeGray Lake in Arkansas.
To be honest, there appears to be virtually no accessibility in this project most of the time.  But for some reason, sometimes the page will load and NVDA will first read the Combobox List, and then proceed to name all of the 150 or so thumbnail titles. It seems like that could be a good start to achieving some standard of accessibility, but I don't understand why it only does it every once in awhile.

I would be grateful for any feedback that anyone could give on how to improve the accessibility of this project and I would be even more grateful for information on how to tweak NVDA to get the best results.  For example, if I alternate between using the tab key and doing 1 mouse click in the screen, I can move one by one through the thumbnails which are all selectable.  Then, If I could get NVDA to read the tooltip associated with each thumbnail....I feel that I will have made some progress.  Any advice would be appreciated.

Cheers, Reggie
--
Greg Hosler

www.photographyoptions.com

Greg@...

865-774-9755

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